World First Speedrun: Sunlust Map 30 UV Fast - Doom Strategy Guide

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A break-down of the strategies used to beat the challenge that was once deemed impossible: Sunlust Map 30 with fast monsters. The zero-press, the arch-vile jumps, the horseshoe maneuver, and the butterfly maneuver made me realize it was possible with saves. Then, it was just a matter of surviving the ordeal single-segment. I took me one month of practice, and 94 attempts. I expected worse.
This was my hardest doom speedrun so far. It took me a lot of study and experimentation to pick the strategies to survive the challenge. Hopefully this tutorial analysis video will help you, if you're interested in trying the challenge yourself. I believe any doom player of medium+ skill level can pull this off, but be aware that it might require some practice. My time is totally beatable, so good luck!
Thanks to the patrons and friends who reviewed this video in early access and helped improve it.
Thanks to 4shockblast, Daerik, and SKYWARDS: I learned a lot from studying your speedruns.
Thanks to decino for helping me brainstorm a few ideas that ended up being in the video.
Doom on steam: store.steampowered.com/app/23...
dsda-doom sourceport: www.doomworld.com/forum/topic...
Sunlust mapset: www.doomworld.com/idgames/lev...
######## Related Videos ########
This speedrun video but without pauses or analysis - • Sunlust Map 30 UV Fast...
Meowgi's Zero-Press Guide - • Classic Doom Speedrunn...
Decino's analysis of Arch-Viles and their jumps - • Let's Analyse the Arch...
I lose my sanity to the 15 Cyber-challenge - • My Slow Descent Into M...
The Blockmap bug and about diagonal shooting - • Missed? It's all Doom'...
SoBad's video on How to Doom: Revenants - • How to Doom: Revenants
######## Music ########
Daniel Bernstein & Guy Whitmore - Unholy Voices (Blood OST, 1997)
Aubrey Hodges - Retribution Dawns (PSX Doom OST, 1995)
LoudMouth Productions - Dreams (MIDI Rendition) (The Incredible Machine 3 OST, 1993)
Discover the artists:
Daniel Bernstein www.danielbernsteinmusic.com/
Guy Whitmore ocremix.org/artist/225/guy-wh...
Aubrey Hodges aubreyhodges.bandcamp.com/
LoudMouth Productions www.discogs.com/release/12361...
######## Why no stream? ########
I did not stream this speedrun for several reasons. I've been feeling burned out from streaming and editing videos for the last few months, together with some personal issues. The idea of setting up every tool I usually need to stream felt overwhelming. I just wanted to sit down and play some doom alone. Also, I did not want to be stream-sniped by showing everyone the strategies I put together here. Last but not least, I did the practice & attempts for this run in the morning, which is definitely when I'm at the peak of my performance, but it's a horrible time to stream because most of my audience is asleep. I hope you understand. I want to get back to streaming eventually; but please give me some time. Life's been rough.
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######### Main Platforms #########
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@coincident Год назад

04:09 Zero-Press & Arch-Vile Jump 12:08 2-Shotting Cyberdemons 18:05 The Horseshoe Maneuver 32:02 The Butterfly Maneuver

@demogorgonzola Год назад

Detailed timestamps: 00:00 Sunlust Map30 God Machine opening/introduction 00:55 Explanation of first fight, corpses get resurrected within black pillars - 02:12 FU archie/10% clutch - 02:54 Killing the three Arch-viles, second room hallway bottleneck 03:37 Early access to BFG in the Cathedral, zero press strat, 9% clutch - 04:48 Skipping the fight, arch-vile jump out of the arena 06:35 Yellow key fight 08:13 Grabbing the SSG/third fight 10:03 Yellow switch/opening the plasma fight, Chaingunners and Cacodemons - 11:00 7% clutch, Chaingunners know no mercy 11:57 Cyberdemon telefrag challenge turned 2-shot gallery 14:54 Return to the Cathedral fight 17:50 Entering the second part of the map - giant arena first round - 18:04 Initial fight, explaining the Arch-vile kill zones and horseshoe maneuver - 22:26 Blocked by a single Revenant, followed up by 11% clutch Backside and shed fights - 25:47 First tower-vile cleanup, Cyberdemon and Arch-vile shed - 26:48 Pain Elementals shed - 27:23 Arch-vile jump to middle building for supplies - 28:36 Explaining the Revenant trap room - strafe or cheese, plus megasphere oopsie - 31:48 Barons shooting gallery/the butterfly maneuver - 36:55 Final wave overview and sniping the remaining tower Arch-viles - 40:16 Arch-vile shed 41:29 Final fight, unleashing the Pain Elementals, waiting for the approach... ...don't shoot until you see the red of their eyes - 42:04 Breakaway from Pain Elements, explaining the advantages of waiting - 42:33 Continue horseshoeing the last horde - 43:39 Almost catching a rev-deathball, 19% clutch - 45:03 Stuck on Lost Souls, 4% clutch 45:45 All kills/victory - 45:51 Happy Coin, heavy breathing... _la petite mort_ ;) - 46:12 God Machine Finished, TIME 34:14.63, KIS: 112/87/100%

@PeterLawrenceYT Год назад

Omg the 2-Shotting Cyberdemons section looks RIDICULOUS!!! Absolutely amazing run!

@coincident Год назад

Thanks Peter! :)

@edwells4769 Год назад

"Hit the guy!"

@1thevm1 Год назад

32:17 Actual Danmaku (Bullet Hell) games strat right here where one hit means death. Similarly, you hug the projectiles as close as you can (which is called "grazing") while slowly advancing and quickly drawing "wings" to get away. Of course Danmaku bosses release projectiles in a pattern which forces you to get creative and think fast, but noname mobs like shooting straight at you just like Barons, so this maneuver works wonders a lot of the time.

@AlexanderWilithinIII 6 месяцев назад

Narrating Coin: Cool, collected, analytical, scholarly. Speedrunning Coin: OH SHIT, OH FUCK, NONONONONO

@Transference90 Год назад

Your narration sounds like an old 90's-00's TV documentary. I have no plans of attempting Sunlust on even normal difficulty at my current level, but the way you made this video makes me want to watch it several times over. I love it!

@DoomKid Год назад

Other channels do it well too, but Coin’s commentated runs are the best to listen to!

@FFFadri Год назад

I love how your speedrun analysis videos are literally your RU-vid banner: a calmed rational voice wisely explaining all the techniques used with detail, along with a pure emotional voice screaming curses and reacting to all the unexpected "surprises".

@DinnerForkTongue Год назад

That is probably my favourite aspect of his channel. The dichotomy is delightful.

@janusbondi Год назад

This is probably the best doom video ever made. The suspense, the analysis and most of all, the run. Just god tier, what a legend!

@DinnerForkTongue Год назад

I don't think it can be stressed enough how much your breakdowns are awesome. Getting this titanic achievement is a feat unto itself, but the thorough way you explain what you do to what end and with what resources is not only instructive, but a lot of fun. And not every content creator has the gift of explaining things in a way that makes the audience themselves feel big brained. You, Coin, got both skills in one package. _Excellent._ Congratulations again on the achievement, and thank you so much for the dedication and time you give to us. 🤗

@coincident Год назад

Thank you for that wonderful comment mate :) I'm very glad you liked it. I want to use this format more, but I'll have to keep it for something big. But there's only one God Machine unfortunately :) I'll think of something eventually.

@DinnerForkTongue Год назад

@@coincident There's always Disturbia, if you're willing to endure the pain.

@MeowgiTV Год назад

I am incredibly late to the party, but just finally got around to watching this, and holy hell man... Massive GG! You managed to not only perform possibly one of the most monumental -fast runs of the year, but also managed to turn the demo into an informational analysis video describing a myriad of facets of Classic Doom speedrunning in a digestible and entertaining way. This video was a real treat, so thank you for putting in all the extra effort to illustrate what you were talking about as well as showing the third-person angles. Once again, massive props. This is one of my favorite Doom videos of all time.

@coincident Год назад

Hey thanks Meowgi! :)

@danielja1832 Год назад

Well done my man! This community never ceases to amaze me with their constantly pushing the boundaries of what's possible. 10 out of 10! Props to your editing work here too! Combining your live reactions with the commentary is a nice touch.

@doondoon859 Год назад

I think this video pushes the boundaries in two ways: Doom speedrunning, AND the documentation of it.

@DinnerForkTongue Год назад

Foreal. Doubly so because Sunlust was NEVER designed with fast monsters in mind. Coin is playing essentially a different wad altogether.

@tonyd6665 Год назад

Amazing achievement! I wanted to give a shout-out as well to the way you broke down the fights and was able to pause and give reasons as to why you were doing something. Sometimes you watch a silent speed run and you wonder why someone does something odd or very specific. We got to spend some time in your head with your decision process. Really cool! Hats off to you!

@coincident Год назад

Glad to hear you liked it; thank you :)

@tonyd6665 Год назад

@@coincident Rock on friend!

@billabobyt Год назад

holy hell, what an achievement, incredible job coin

@coincident Год назад

Thanks, Billa!

@billabobyt Год назад

@@coincidentGot around to watching it, fantastic editing. Making the map's MIDI play continuously throughout the video is a nice touch. The butterfly manoeuvre is indispensable on fights like these, especially in something like NoSp or Dimensions where you're fighting cybers instead of barons. But I don't think I've seen a video that explains the pattern, especially so completely and in such an intuitive fashion

@br2134 Год назад

I love the editing on this! The clips from other runs and especially the overhead view maps were really useful for understanding the run. I’d love to see more of these for sunder or sunlust

@gressorialNanites Год назад

Step 1: Load the video Step 2: Like the video Step 3: Write this comment Step 4: Watch the video. Step 5: Go back and edit the comment with two observations: 5a) Holy shit this was super entertaining! Good job for making it and I'm now going to watch the uncut run 5b) The butterfly maneuver is something from actual bullet hell strategy. If you invented it yourself, in the context of a totally different game, that's the work of a genius right there!

@andrew-dunai Год назад

Well, I must say this run is totally mind-blowing with all the techniques you've used! It's like a showcase of cool magic tricks. Coin: "sr40 against the wall, this is an easy trick" Me: *rewinds 5 times* "WAIT how did you do that" 4:46 Daaaamn, I was almost sure that's a dead run and that you were going to restart. Absolutely butt-clenching moment! 5:30 Those usages of archie's jumps to skip entire sections never cease to amaze me 18:04 - Holy crap, I recall how many tries it usually takes to complete this even in normal UV. Crazy to realize that you've nailed it with -fast, in a single run, wow! The butterfly tactic with barons is so cool. Just to think that it's been so many years and people are still finding new tactics to survive in seemingly hopeless situations! P.S. Your narrative is so satisfying - I also totally love it that you kept your original voice recording from the run, with all the emotions and

@coincident Год назад

Mr. Anderson! Thank you bud :)

@billabobyt Год назад

The SR40 jump trick is simple - usually if you run into a wall it cancels your momentum, but if you run into a thing, such as a decoration or an enemy, the game doesn't cancel your momentum. So if the platform you're on is too small to gain full speed just by running along it, you can grind against a thing to build up speed for a little while.

@Vytaan Год назад

What an amazing achievement, congratulations! This was extremely fun and interesting to watch and even though I know this was the successful run, getting stuck behind that single revenant at 22:27 and dropping to 4% near the end really put me on the edge of my seat. Thanks to the great analysis I'm sure there's some stuff in here that I'll be able to use when I eventually try to clear this map as well, even though I'm not crazy enough to do it with fast monsters. 😋 Incredibly well played!

@alsacienfomelsass Год назад

This is not a video, this is a Masterpiece ❤️ Congratulation!

@coincident Год назад

Thank you!

@morvis110 Год назад

Awesome.

@coincident Год назад

Hehey thanks so much Morvis! :D Cheers!

@Mr.Showbiz Год назад

This map man, one of the all time greatest and fully deserving of its notoriety…. terrifying architecture, earsplitting fights, topped off with a midi that inspires hopelessness and despair… A saveless run of this map in itself is no easy feat, but add in fast monsters AND a speedrun… MATE, absolute scenes! I loved every minute of this run, amazing combination of willpower, technique, execution. You’re really up there with the best. Congratulations on this exceptional achievement.

@coincident Год назад

Thank you 😎

@loskedanne Год назад

Great run coin! I really enjoyed the pauses and breadowns were you explained the differences between normal UV and fast UV. Me and ribbiks never tested our maps on fast settings so it's very interesting to see how different it all plays out.

@coincident Год назад

Thank you Danne! Glad you enjoyed :)

@tatsurdcacocaco Год назад

That‘s truly a crazy challenge. Really well done‼︎ Glad to see your doom video after all these days :)

@coincident Год назад

Thanks Tatsurd! 😁

@sobaddoom Год назад

A massive accomplishment and an excellent video! What a nail-biter right 'til the end.

@coincident Год назад

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

@snackerfork Год назад

The most insane, heartstopping achievement I have EVER seen for a video game. Completely impossible to overstate how absurd this is - completing one of the hardest maps in one of the hardest megaWADs, a map that made even great players like Decino lose their cool, with fast monsters enabled, under a time limit, in one segment... Absolutely batshit. I don't know how your heart didn't explode. Congratulations!

@doom4life451 Год назад

A1s did Map 28 & 29 and now you completed the legendary Sunlust Trio on -fast by doing Map 30. Hugh accomplishments. Well Done !!!

@reptongeek Год назад

That was incredible. Both the run and your analysis especially the use of maps to illustrate. I always like to say that a certain speedrun isn't impossible it just hasn't been done yet. For instance I didn't think a UV Tyson of Demonic Hordes was possible, until I saw someone had actually done it!

@simian01 Год назад

Bloody ruddy bloody hell! Hat's all the way off.

@hypercynic Год назад

Sunlust is so fucking good. I adore the use of that texture pack in these maps, as well as the really unique map designs/monster set-ups. One of my top 5 favourite MegaWADs of all time for sure.

@dashietyan Год назад

what a way to come back:) i'm sooooooooo frickin happy for you, coin! that's an amazing achievement! especially liked the commentary, was really interesting to listen. was missing you a lot

@dashiefrickintyan3 Год назад

damn, used wrong account:p

@coincident Год назад

Thanks dashie!

@naxoxz Год назад

This right here is a piece of gaming history.

@MathematicalMike Год назад

Holy Caco Balls, Coin! That was ridiculous! What a tremendous effort. Not just for the run, but also the video itself. Fantastic work. You should be very proud.

@the_fatshark Год назад

I came here for the facerocket , there was none! But still not disappointed, master piece analysis +1

@koris95 Год назад

I love that I decided to rewatch the Sunlust playlist for the nostalgia and then this monster of a video suddenly drops! Amazing run Coin, you're really the man!

@EezySeven Год назад

This walkthrough sounds like the most torturous cooking recipe on RU-vid.

@Alarm26 Год назад

God Machine is already an insane map by itself, but doing it with fast monsters is something I never thought would be done in a single segment. Congrats on the insane run!

@poilapan Год назад

The practice no matter hard it is pays off. It's very informative, I really hope Doom speedrunners can look at this and appreciate greatly!

@yamaddie Год назад

This is an absolutely insane speedrunning achievement, should be covered on every speedrunning channel ever

@ObieCS2 Год назад

Sunlust on UV, even when played casually, makes Doom Eternal look like a Kirby game. Great running!

@lhfirex Год назад

This is so impressive! And Coincident is such a fun speedrunner to watch. Gotta love a guy willing to upload his facerocket clips just as much as his successful runs.

@kianushmaleki 3 месяца назад

Watched it again after a year. It is phenomenal. Congratulations

@demogorgonzola Год назад

Superb run, and almost a walkthrough commentary enriched with detailed analysis :)

@kaczan3 Год назад

I love the format. As much as I like decono's videos, I usually get lost as to what is happening in the level. But here everything's explained.

@gunzblazin6860 Год назад

You have triggered Zero Master lol

@DSteinman Год назад

Bravo! A lot of love went into this!

@veloarc3321 Год назад

This was incredible to watch, thank you so much for making this, and congratulations!

@sozhran Год назад

Incredible nail-biter of a run and a very cool analysis format, congratulations!

@zzeck431 Год назад

amazing run, and great commentary and illustrations

@StrongArmElijah Год назад

I love these kinds of videos from you Coin, please don't stop making them 🙏🏽

@thetee8682 Год назад

Whoa... nicely done and very good explanations! Congrats Coin, you deserve it!

@landoncore92 Год назад

I love this type of explanation/analysis. super fun format and I hope you do more!

@andersdenkend Год назад

Congrats! Very well done video, absolutely enjoyed the explanations and visual inserts like the maps and failing strategies, etc. Very cool!

@nombregenerico7775 Год назад

Holy shit! You absolute legend :DD

@MobileGamingChronicles Год назад

This was an epic run to watch! So full of action, so many close calls, and lots of strategies involved as well. Great job Coincident!

@ooo2379 Год назад

Awesome run, incredible quality of video content, such a great return!

@Justinlmd Год назад

I love the section on the butterfly maneuver for the Baron bullet hell. As someone who plays a lot of bullet hell shmups, this is the exact maneuver used in a lot of situations in those games

@agilejackson2527 Год назад

Congratulations on this tremendous accomplishment, Coin. Your analysis in the video is also interesting and well explained. Great stuff!

@mr.e330 Год назад

just a stunning accomplishment and loved the presentation of the video, excellent stuff

@aldiboronti Год назад

Coincident, this is awesome! A speedrun for the ages! And the analysis makes the video even better. Respect!

@AdamM3377 Год назад

Good breakdown of the speedrun! A valiant attempt.!

@FraterSbeve Год назад

Gorgeous run, super interesting and entertaining commentary!

@MissBabsi79 Год назад

Thank you for this super interesting analysis-video! This run is so amazing!! You really can be very happy and proud of this achievement! 😃

@chriswaudby1084 Год назад

Holy moly some of the strats and tricks you are demonstrating here are simply absurd but so impressive brilliance sheer brilliance

@Gusior Год назад

That's so freaking amazing and impressive. Wow, congratz!!!

@Ennello Год назад

I only got to fully watch this now. My sincerest congratulations! I am so impressed.

@deadlyore3986 Год назад

This is an amazing analysis, I learned a lot about this map.

@Eeri90 Год назад

Very good video. Not just a monster of a run on a monster of a map, but also a very thorough explanation of the various segments of the map and the techniques employed. Damn solid work all around on this one. 👏👏👏

@LouigiVerona Год назад

AMAZING. So much work put in. And an excellent video as well.

@krisfahrenheit3303 Год назад

Good job, Brohamski. Glad to see this analysis of such a monumental achievement.

@Labryx64 Год назад

I was hooked to this video all the way through. Congratulations on such a monumental achievement!

@aanproduction1516 Год назад

This is AMAZING! What a start of a year with maybe the hardest speedrun of the year, at least yet. Incredible

@xbolt90 Год назад

Dude. This is the most insane thing I've ever seen! Absolutely legendary!

@Izayuukan Год назад

The commentary and editing are nearly as good as the run itself. Fantastic work, and congrats on the time.

@amelie5861 Год назад

I can't order and process my thoughts, this run and analysis is just wow

@dreadwanderer Год назад

Insane skills, fascinating in-depth analysis. A real nail-biter that's bound to become an all-time classic in the community. Hats off to you, sir!

@yoya8373 Год назад

Wow!!! It's been forever since you had a speedrun analysis video, and well, it was so worth waiting! Congrats for the achievement, you deserve it

@respectfulremastersbymetal8336 Год назад

JFC. That's insane. Congratulations. Not only was the run bonkers, but that was some nicely insightful commentary and great editing to help with understanding exactly what you are doing as well. Loved it.

@8hido Год назад

Oh wow. First, really glad to see a new speedrun by you. Second, this is a huge feat, and congratulations on beating this challenge, this was outstanding. I remember watching your blind run of Sunlust and I thought that beating God Machine in UV-fast like a sick joke. Now you made it possible. Also, really loved your commentary on this run. It was very interesting to see all the details behind the strategies. Really impressive feat. Again, congratulations :)

@coincident Год назад

Thank you hido! :)

@riba2233 Год назад

Wow, this is beyond incredible, I am truly speachless... Congratulations and I hope this is just a first of your many crazy accomplishments! Editing and the video style are a perfection!

@golarac6433 Год назад

Your breakthroughs are fascinating and your gameplay is impeccable. You're one of my favourite youtubers

@hrnekbezucha Год назад

Oh my god you're a doomgod! Massive congrats and massive thanks for going through the analysis and explanations.

@NativeNewMexican Год назад

Excellent work Coin

@niezbo Год назад

I swear.. watching you play Doom is better than watching Game of Thrones 🔥

@marv6424 Год назад

This is plain amazing. Well done.

@VileLasagna Год назад

Wow, finally had a chance to sit down and watch. What complete madness. Congrats on the run, Coin, This was amazing. Also, general shoutout to your commentated run videos. Those are always great!

@thelippyserver58 Год назад

Great run! Very impressive job.

@waxkun Год назад

Wow, amazing run. Congratulations 🎉

@rainesubnaut5918 Год назад

Oh this was awesome, I honestly wasn't sure if this was possible but that cathedral skip is excellent. Huge congrats on the feat! It's great to see Doom on the channel once again

@Moralozki Год назад

im speechless, this was amazing not only for the information given, the RNG, the quick reaction time and the ammo and heal management, but also for the pure skill displayed... congratulations! for this and, im sure, many more hard, practicaly impossible speedruns !

@TheCarPassionChannel Год назад

Enjoyed every minute of this. So interesting to see the different strategies required for fast monsters

@MaximumSpice Год назад

So impressive man, well done!

@MrDoomquake777 Год назад

Congratulations Coin! Very impressive run!!!

@CoffeeRampage Год назад

Absolutely incredible run. Holy shit dude. I would love to see more runs like this with this style of narration of strategy. So well done!

@arthurp.4272 Год назад

Amazing to see a Doom speed run so well analyzed !

@durdleburdle3521 Год назад

Huge congrats on this amazing achievement, Coin! Of all the things you could have been working on in secret, I would never have guessed that it was this. Well done, you crazy man!

@Nob1ej0n Год назад

Such madness. Congratulations. And thank you the detailed explanation of your strategies.

@simonpoliushkin774 6 месяцев назад

Amazing run, well done 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@aircraftcarrierwo-class Год назад

Whoooo congratulations dude! And thank you for the insights and explanations. I just play on UV, so UV Fast is a bit of a new beast for me.

@Darth_Chicken Год назад

Just incredible! Congrats!!!

@Tamamo-no-Bae Год назад

Wow this is truly an achievement! Well done! Sheesh, this truly took all the accumulated skill you had! :o That 4% near the end... ._.

@LabyrinthDoomer Год назад

Congratulations! Quite an impressive run

@bfgandorf Год назад

That's quite a massive achievement you've got here, doubled with a very enjoyable analysis video! Congrats Coin, I'm looking forward to seeing more of your stuff :)