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WORNG Electronics - LRMSMSLR (stereo mid/side wizardry - make your mono FX stereo etc) 

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Here's the very excellent, very underrated, very overlooked LRMSMSLR module from WORNG Electronics ... that's wrong, spelt wrong ...
The LRMSMSLR takes a stereo input (left and right) then sums them together to create a mid input and creates a signal that's a difference of the two to create a side signal. This is a common mastering technique often doing things such as removing low end from the side stereo elements to clean up a mix. The mid signal is a single mono channel and the side input is a single mono channel, it's the way their phases are flipped and interacting when brought back together to recreate a stereo image. It's great for taking that side output and using mono FX modules that when brought back into the module create stereo images with those FX on them from super wide to more subtle stereo images (with a dry unprocessed mid to keep things focused). It can also do some unity summing, CV difference / averaging. Lots of patches, lots to get through, skip through the index below if you can't watch all the way through.
TIMING INDEX
00:00 Hello and patch previews of what’s to come.
01:03 Verbal feature walk through, what is mid/side? Patch suggestions and WORNG’s patch examples from the manual.
DUAL DETUNED OSCILLATOR PATCHES (mono FX modules turned stereo)
3:33 Two separate oscillators with detune waves into the left and right. Using manual control on a VCA to show mid and side signals and how that affects stereo image.
05:33 Processing the side channel through a phaser (XAOC Kamieniec)
06:40 Processing the side channel through a pitch shifting delay (Make Noise / Soundhack - Echophon)
07:29 Distortion over the mid channel (Metasonix R51)
08:14 Distorted mids and phaser modulation sides
08:36 Side signal through a reverb (AJH Synth Finaliser R-EQ) with the addition of some pitch sequencing.
09:36 Stereo sideband creator - Stereo Ring Modulation FX (AJH Synth Ring SM)
12:43 Using a VCA to modulate stereo width.
SEVERAL EXAMPLES OF STEREO AUDIO PROCESSING
13:39 Modern cutting/bright synth riff. Showing the mid/side elements and processing the side with FX that “as if by magic” now appear in stereo.
15:59 Ambient piano. Stereo piano, resonator, reverb stereo signal. Splitting into mid/side and processing through a phaser.
17:02 Acoustic drum loop. Using the side signal as a way to pull out and/or remove the room reverb around the drum kit. Then processed through an Echophon, frozen and mangled.
18:04 Dirty, gritty bass wub-wubs. Side signal reverb added.
UTILTIES
18:58 Mixing the left and right signals from two mono sources (to left and to right) and taking the mid output as a summed output.
19:53 Using the mid and side inputs with two different CV signals as a “cv averager”.
21:07 Using two mono signals into the left and right and using the mid as a summed CV and the side as a CV difference both modulating independent VCAs for relating but different modulation signals.
USING TWO DIFFERENT FILTERS (even stereo image without matched filters)
22:47 The last patch uses two different filters over the mid and side and two different modulation signals of them. This creates a stereo filtering effect even though I don’t have two of the same filters to get a matched / even stereo image. This also means filtering them differently creates a moving stereo image/width. Very cool.
25:21 Mega end video schpeal - how do you even spell that? - get your mum and dog to like the video then go support me on Patreon :)
MODULES USED IN THIS VIDEO
AJH Synth Finaliser R-EQ - • AJH Synth - Finaliser ...
AJH Synth Ring SM - • AJH Synth - Ring SM *P...
Befaco Hexmix - • Befaco - Hexmix, Hexpa...
Befaco Rampage - • Befaco - Rampage
Make Noise Echophon - • Patch Idea #3 - Audio ...
Metasonix Tube Modules - • Modular Monthly: Tube-...
Mordax DATA - • Modular Monthly: The m...
XAOC Kamieniec - • XAOC Devices - Kamieniec
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Комментарии : 77   
@SonicAxiom
@SonicAxiom 3 года назад
Be aware that MS processing can lead to mono-incompatibility! You should always check the resulting LR signal visually on a stereo scope or correlation meter or at least hit the mono button on your monitoring system from time to time while creating MS effects! Every horizontal component in the stereo scope's visualization (=oscillation in the S channel) will result in more or less cancellation. A lot of impressive effects shown in the video cancel out entirely when listened back in mono! In Germany, most big radio stations will not air tracks that are not mono-compatible (= correlation meter is at least equal or above 0).
@orphic-trench
@orphic-trench 4 месяца назад
All effects applied only to the side signal will disappear in mono. All the rest of the patches are good in mono.
@goonfish
@goonfish 2 месяца назад
How would one souve this issue while retaining the M-S processing? Phase cancellation issues is a bottle I have yet to really open, so any info would be appreciated! Any extra phasing hassles/issues when using Quadrophonic M-S processing compared to single-track or Master M-S?
@SourceRE
@SourceRE 5 лет назад
I want all the modules WORNG makes. Not too pricy either. But these are some delicious, yet practical, stereo sounds.
@oscillosaurus
@oscillosaurus 6 лет назад
Finally getting the audience this crafty module deserves, deadly potential :)
@DivKid
@DivKid 6 лет назад
Yeah really cool bit of kit.
@StingrayOfficial
@StingrayOfficial 6 лет назад
Don't mono sum me bro! Kidding aside I have loved this module for months now. I call M-S processing the 4th dimension of sound. Red panel crew where you at?
@DivKid
@DivKid 6 лет назад
I bought a red panelled one too! Felt like I needed a pair around the various cases. "Don't mono sum me bro" hahaha.
@woodlandcritterpunch
@woodlandcritterpunch 6 лет назад
I've only just recently been starting to think about spatialization more seriously, and up until now I've been at a bit of a loss as to what I could do besides modulate the panning of sounds. This is kind of one of those "instant buy" modules, I think. Great demos as always!
@DivKid
@DivKid 6 лет назад
Cheers mate and yeah it's definitely a no brainer for create width/space/stereo image out of things.
@WillisZzz
@WillisZzz 6 лет назад
Brilliant module, brilliantly explained
@DivKid
@DivKid 6 лет назад
nice one Will.
@eyesintheskies
@eyesintheskies 3 месяца назад
Cheers for pointing me towards this one, I’d been looking at an expensive rack unit to do this kind of thing, you’ve quite possibly saved me a bundle.👍 I have a ton of mono guitar pedals sat around so my mind is racing with ideas. Or perhaps it’s just spinning cos you made me wear headphones 😂
@DivKid
@DivKid 3 месяца назад
I know some time ago Morgan from WORNG mentioned that this is good to work with line level directly (i.e. no interface modules for line-euro and back) so you might get some good results with the outboard/pedal stuff directly. Hope it works out.
@Woolookologie
@Woolookologie 6 лет назад
Woah, this is amazing! Didn't know you can make mono effects sound great in stereo that easily.
@DivKid
@DivKid 6 лет назад
Yeah I think it will have slipped by a lot of people.
@northerntao
@northerntao 6 лет назад
Reminded me I have a kit for this in a pile somewhere - cheap from Thonk. I hadn't thought of half these ideas. Very cool.
@DivKid
@DivKid 6 лет назад
Nice one Josh, I know Thonk have (or had) these. Get it to the top of the "to build" pile.
@immersiveworlds
@immersiveworlds 6 лет назад
Great demo, as always!
@DivKid
@DivKid 6 лет назад
Cheers Scott.
@cardboardmusic
@cardboardmusic 2 года назад
This looks like the module that could revolutionise my thinking, music and rack (and it's only 4hp!).
@oceanicas1division670
@oceanicas1division670 5 лет назад
Really good work on this video. I just got this module. Thanks.
@DivKid
@DivKid 5 лет назад
cheers
@cooloutcoexist
@cooloutcoexist 3 года назад
Hey Ben! was wondering: could you do part of this with a Maths with the or and sum outputs? btw. great demo as always :-)
@ReFractalus
@ReFractalus 6 лет назад
O.o My 7.1 home theater system really makes the output swish around like it's been caught in a storm. Nice!
@DivKid
@DivKid 6 лет назад
oh nice!
@strangemobius
@strangemobius 6 лет назад
oooooooh! Mid-side in Euro! I dig it. Highly underrated way to record and process sound.
@DivKid
@DivKid 6 лет назад
absolutely.
@strangemobius
@strangemobius 6 лет назад
Anonymous sex dating? How can I lose?!
@Abandonedmachine
@Abandonedmachine 6 лет назад
Worng part of the internet - this is modular synth country. No one is interested.
@DivKid
@DivKid 6 лет назад
I've no idea what's going on.
@Abandonedmachine
@Abandonedmachine 6 лет назад
There used to be another comment with somebody peddling a link to a dating site. It has been removed, leaving all the other comments out of contexts like fish on dry land.
@manuelrichter6699
@manuelrichter6699 6 лет назад
It's a super video, you explained it really good. Thumbs up, Ben. It's listed as full DIY kit now at Exploding Shed by the way.
@DivKid
@DivKid 6 лет назад
Cheers Manu and glad to see it in stock at Exploding Shed! :)
@EdwinSL
@EdwinSL 6 лет назад
Thanks for that tip, I've ordered one just now. This seems like it will be a great utility module , even in my small setup. Mono is the way it should sound nice, stereo is the cream on the coffee. Who doesn't like cream?
@Rodbf96
@Rodbf96 3 года назад
This module works great with vinyl! If you have a line-in module to receive stereo signal from a turntable, you can patch it to the left/right and use the sides to isolate instruments or mid for vocals/bass/drums! I've been using it with my Erica Synths Sample Drum to get instrumental samples from old song with vocals straight in the middle!
@brendane7095
@brendane7095 Год назад
now THAT is flipping awesome,mate!
@sketchdashaman
@sketchdashaman 3 года назад
i never understood the setups, now I have big ideas :)
@rossanderton3424
@rossanderton3424 6 лет назад
This thing is incredible, got to get one, you should put a wealth warning on your vids!
@DivKid
@DivKid 6 лет назад
haha
@Waldemar_la_Tendresse
@Waldemar_la_Tendresse 8 месяцев назад
This is a very interesting idea (which could have been taken much further in terms of CV-ins and modulation). I see something like a three-dimensional (the volume is one dimension, the phase is maybe another dimension) Joranaloge Morph4 in my head when I look at this module. Great video!
@DivKid
@DivKid 8 месяцев назад
There's now the MidSide+ from WORNG which has CV modulation of width. Combining things like that with the Soundstage they make can lead to some amazing 3D spaces to mix in.
@Waldemar_la_Tendresse
@Waldemar_la_Tendresse 8 месяцев назад
@@DivKid I always try to CAREFULLY chose a module. There is Midside+ and there are at least 4 other MidSide modules right now. JoRa has one too. And I love the JoRa look and philosophy.
@DivKid
@DivKid 8 месяцев назад
I haven't tried the Joranalogue Enhance 2 but I like Joranaloue too.
@Pb_salt
@Pb_salt 4 года назад
Any issues with powering the metasonix on your rack?
@MatheusLeston
@MatheusLeston 5 лет назад
very nice! wondering here if the m/s inputs would sound nice using the out / aux outputs of plaits. have you tried it, ben?
@DivKid
@DivKid 5 лет назад
Hi Matheus, I haven't tried that to be honest but I bet it could be interesting.
@pat2rome
@pat2rome 6 лет назад
Very interested in what the Vector Space module does!
@DivKid
@DivKid 6 лет назад
It takes CVs and spaces them around a sphere / cube and creates a load of related CVs. I'll be working on that video soon.
@thom-alphaxiii-5106
@thom-alphaxiii-5106 6 лет назад
There is some phase distortion in the background.....oh no wait, must be a baby screaming ˆˆ
@DivKid
@DivKid 6 лет назад
haha! Well Launa wasn't in or screaming at that moment so definitely not that in this video. Only time you'll ever hear her scream would be underneath me talking. I cut out all silence/gaps between voice on the vocal track. But I'll stop and re-say things if I do hear her while I'm recording.
@matthsmatthsmatths
@matthsmatthsmatths 6 лет назад
Ben whats making the sound at 22.22 please? Is it a wavetable oscillator by any chance? If so which one please and what setting is it set to? I really like that sound!
@DivKid
@DivKid 6 лет назад
A magician never reveals his secrets ... good job I don't do magic ey! :) That's Braids in the WTx4 mode.
@matthsmatthsmatths
@matthsmatthsmatths 6 лет назад
Knew I should have kept hold of the braids! Cheers Ben - you're a wizard to the community never mind a magician! :-)
@DivKid
@DivKid 6 лет назад
haha wizard! :)
@dedidude220
@dedidude220 4 года назад
hi Ben, I was wondering would it sound good if this module will be set after the master output?
Год назад
Found you!
@strangemobius
@strangemobius 6 лет назад
Seems like it would work amazing with the Morph Phase mode on E352...
@DivKid
@DivKid 6 лет назад
Yeah that would do some interesting things definitely.
@ludotex
@ludotex 6 лет назад
Thanks for the great run down. I love this module. I always thought it was kinda hard or expensive to get a nice stereo image with eurorack, and then I tried the LRMSMSLR and it just magicaly works. I use mostly at the end of the chain with fx or filter (slowly modulated) processing the mid or the sides. Makes awesome natural sounding stereo stuff. Here is an example: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KjaBVv-XM7o.html
@DivKid
@DivKid 6 лет назад
Definitely a nice width to the piece. I've subscribed.
@mickglossop
@mickglossop 6 лет назад
The only problem is that, because the L & R components of the Side channel are 180 degrees out of phase, when you listen to any of the examples of the processed Side signal in mono (great though they sound in stereo), they disappear, as they cancel each other out. In a world where, as nowadays it seems, many people are listening on mono playback systems, e.g. Sonos, Amazon Alexa devices, etc., you have to take account of mono compatibility, otherwise your work will never be heard the way you intended.
@intensesurtax483
@intensesurtax483 6 лет назад
Mick Glossop - if you postprocess the stereo file in some way though, is this going to break the out of phase bit?
@DivKid
@DivKid 6 лет назад
it's only out of phase is you listen to the left and right outputs and just use the side signal, deliberately turning down the mid signal. So in 90%+ of use you're totally fine. But Mick is right that where I just show the side example and just show the side signal if your system is mono you won't hear anything.
@intensesurtax483
@intensesurtax483 6 лет назад
DivKidVideo Thanks Ben - mine arrived this morning, so will try it out later.
@bcitral
@bcitral 6 лет назад
That piano sounds real sweat
@DivKid
@DivKid 6 лет назад
cheers, had fun making up that.
@skunksmisery
@skunksmisery 6 лет назад
Just Add Kick™
@DivKid
@DivKid 6 лет назад
We all need more kick!
@smartassrecords
@smartassrecords 6 лет назад
I think they are going to sell a shit ton of these ... pinky promise .
@DivKid
@DivKid 6 лет назад
Pinky Promise haha! Glad someone noticed that.
@RobSmithSmithsonmusic
@RobSmithSmithsonmusic Год назад
F*@k. I'm deaf on my right side.
@DivKid
@DivKid Год назад
L MSMSL ?
@RobSmithSmithsonmusic
@RobSmithSmithsonmusic Год назад
@@DivKid I guess so.
@Delayeed9
@Delayeed9 11 месяцев назад
probably impossible to remember but what is the sound source at 18:30?
@DivKid
@DivKid 11 месяцев назад
I can't remember as you guessed. Sounds like the sort of thing I was doing with the v1 of N.I Massive many years back. Wavetables, with FM/RM, filtering, distortion, noise blend/modulation. Definitely plenty going on and not just a single module sort of thing.
@Delayeed9
@Delayeed9 11 месяцев назад
@@DivKid Right. It does sound like massive. Appreciate the answer :)
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