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The accuracy in this comment is unreal lol

On the stack-I’ll play ‘I need a dust filter for a Hoover Max Extract 60 Pressure Pro’. I phase out of the game until I win.

@@dustinmoyer8131 Ignoring the fact that LotR was printed into Modern, Legacy, Vintage and Pauper. Acting like Commander is the only format in existence is an issue.

@@dustinmoyer8131 "if you don't like it, don't play it" how many franchises have that engraved on their tombstones?

@@dustinmoyer8131 They're going strong because the majority of people are stupid, and stupid people are easy to trick and monetize into becoming corporate shills and whaling billions of dollars into terrible, trash mobile games.

That was the nail in the coffin for me for sure.

you are not wrong

M30 and secret lair are the nails in the coffin for sure

yeah that was pretty disgusting imo

The pinks were the death nail of my care I still follow the creators I like though. I haven't bought anything from the entirety of Hasbro since that story.

The fortnite of card games

I seen this for a while. I buy singles so it doesn't really bother me mitch there a company needs to make money

I got into it because of LOTR. As a new player and fan, I like it.

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​@@KevinBrady253I keep hearing about LoTR drawing in new players. I'm glad. I'm ok with the crossovers because of this reason. I just hope that MTG doesn't lose itself in the process

And when they set affordable unit prices instead of allowing them to inflate massively

@@hishquten4613 Prices aren't the problem. Value of the product over time is the metric consumers should worry about.

I mean, dr who fits with unfinty, war hammer is eh, lotr is just fantasy (not a fan of the race swapping), mlp is always charity stuff through secret lair, and jurassic park and ixalan makes sense. So like i get it. The only ones i dont really get is baulders gate considering the game was still in early access.

Totally agree. I actually loved the Godzilla stuff because they were just alt arts of actual cards.

When I say "fits" I think I mean more with the overall aesthetic of magic. Warhammer does, LotR kinda does. But when you get into things like Walking Dead or Jurassic Park, they're too "real world" if that makes sense.@@deathnights-bane3301

@danielreyns3540 i dunno, i think they all fit, i was not a fan of how wizards took it upon themselves to alter key lotr characters, i just think that for baulders gate that releasing it before the games out of early access is hasty, the rest of them fit in their own way, i dont really think anything is off limits for magic at this point with the exception of maybe mad max, but brothers war had a tone of robots, ikoria had kaiju, unfinity was a space theme so dr who is hardly a stretch, dinosaurs are a core race type by this point so jurassic park was gonna show up sooner or later, mlp is charity stuff so pull that apart if you want, the only one i dont get is marvel and final fantasy, and im desperately wondering why we dont have a destiny crossover yet.

I’m not even a warhammer fan but I love the warhammer cards and I think that they fit very well into mtg

That's how I feel about the sets overload. I skipped the 3 most recent sets since there have been too many sets releasing in a short amount of time.

One of the reasons I quit playing 10 years ago

As if Hasbro cares what us peasants think.

If people cant keep up just dont buy? They can launch this much product cause people are buying and they are making a profit. Just buy singles, i would rather have a way bigger box to pick things from than a small box where i get everything

I haven't bought mtg official products since 2012 probably. Singles are obvious better

That's my biggest problem with it honestly. D&D I had no problem with. I like a lot of the cards from those sets because they still felt like they fit the style of MTG. Same with Lotr. I'm even mostly okay with Final Fantasy, since it kind of crosses the sci-fi and fantasy genres in a similar way to Neon Dynasty. But when we're making jumps to Doctor Who, Jurassic Park, Walking Dead, and the planned Marvel, it feels so out of left field for a game build on fantasy to include them when none of them overlap with high or low fantasy.

⁠@@SomeOfTheJuiceI would say Jurassic Park makes sense do to dinosaurs being such a big tribe in magic. But otherwise you’re cooking bro, I agree with you

@@SomeOfTheJuice How did you not mention Fallout? WotC went out of their way to license an IP from Bethesda and passed over TES for Fallout. TES could easily fit in with MTG, at least as much as D&D.

What else could it be? Cashabro can’t sell anything else but mtg…

@@Mirthful_MidoriI felt the same way, but I have a feeling that we’ll get both no way we just get a fallout sets and not a TES set even with legends being a thing, they’ll probably wait till either a new TES game comes out to release along side of it like the fallout set is with the TV show

Not going to happen

naw naw you see, they only dont care about the soul of the game. cards that would make the game better and lose them money will never be reprinted

@@marc0s158 "lose them money"...erm...that would actually MAKE them money. OG dual lands market share for Hasbro atm is 0% (if they don't secretly print and sell them on the secondary market that is).

Get over it.

​@@APEXoftheAVATAR ok imagine if it did though. like, i bet i could get cox's number and make it happen. not now, gimme like 5 years.

Seriously we need a legacy legacy and legacy commander now. Jesus.

Fuck standard

@@AspiringSpaceWizard That’s a pretty negative way of looking at it. Standard is the only reason we get new cards. The mechanics are tested for that format. And Standard does need to come back. Commander is a casual format, while it’s recognized as an official format by WotC and they make products for it, at the end of the day, we wouldn’t have the 6+ releases we have each year WITHOUT standard. Standard is the official format of MtG, if it dies off, so does MtG, does Standard have problems? Yes it does, but then again, so does Commander, so does Pioneer, so does Modern, and so does Legacy. Revitalizing Standard is a step in the right direction.

@@KCEBGaming No one is gonna play standard again IRL. Sorry bud but MTG arena killed that. Trust me I work in a store and nobody has played standard there in 3+ years.

@@kendojunson7971 must not be trying hard enough, I don’t work for a store but I’m a community leader for Commander at one and they get 20+ people every Friday for paper Standard. It IS coming back and there are players willing to play it, they’re just not feeling welcome to speak their peace because they feel like everything is overtaken by Commander

Same! One of my brothers got into mtg because of the Warhammer sets and which caused me to get into mtg even after collecting dnd magic cards

The fortnite of tcg's is actually Weiss shwatrz

Yeah. I’ve pretty much drawn an hard line with Kamigawa Neon Dynasty. I’ve not ventured for beyond that.

​@blurgalsklech2929 I have not bought product since then myself. I really hope they kill the game completely and Hasbro is forced to sell Wizards.

While attracting new players is always good, it's better to keep old players at the same time. If you're ruining your game just to pander, everyone loses.

Newman would be a reskinned Niv-Mizzet.

​@@FlummoxedFaker Kramer deflecting swat

@@DKODA97 nah, Soup Nazi Deflecting Swat.

Honestly, you could do the same thing with magic IP. How are you going to beat 1 of 100 Sheoldred? Use a $900 proxy of swords?

I hope they would actually do a 1 of 1 Golden Ticket. (Hear me out) someone pulls the ticket, Post Malone buys it for 10 million, and just like in Willy Wonka he ends up taking over WotC. Post fixes everything.

They'll do a One Piece crossover and have a 1 of 1 One Piece treasure token

@@SLAU6HTERMELON This wins! I don’t know whether to be impressed or terrified over Wizards picking up in the idea!

Super easy 1 of 1 infinity stones. Which post malone will own.

I say the same thing. Basically you have a choice 1.) Focus on card EV over time. Sticker price is outside of your control. 'Line go up' enfranchises everyone who owns cards. 2.) Proxy if you don't like the TCG model but want to still play.

« Customers are not happy with this! » Hasbro: and I care how? Yall buy the fucking sets.

@@Octobouch fr, I don’t buy them myself but it’s kinda wack that people keep buying the sets they hate. I mean, you could just check the card list online before buying to make sure it’s not garbage, but I guess that doesn’t cross many people’s minds

My almost 30 year cardboard Crack addiction says shovel me more. I'll buy it and I'll love it. I'm glad it's changing. I'll +my SpongeBob planeswalker and create 2 crabby patty food tokens. (Cant stand spongebob. Love roccos modern life.) Then I'll tap my lands to play the butter foil treatment of academy manufacturer. Opps can I take that back I shoulda played manufacturer before activating SpongeBob.

Hell im even fine with final fantasy depending on how its done.

i expect it to be neon dynasty with FF characters really.

Kamigawa is a main magic set and it had mechs and cyborgs. I don’t think magic is just fantasy anymore.

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They can only dream to be that level of landfill.

The eternal struggle? LOL. Back to the roots

I could see a world where players reject Wizards and create more formats. Like a pre-2015 commander format or some such.

Maybe

I belive that this ruins magic only for the older players but will attract new players which makes me sad how much hasbro is pushing WoTC

I have seen/heard that said for decades lol. I just wanna play edh ¯\_.(ツ)._/¯

Is it not a good time to ask Mitch to review my Legolas Master Archer deck?

Correct. The board room will work that out in about 6 years or so.

More likely its named something like "Thanos snap"

I find it actually difficult to NOT have infinite combo's in a deck nowadays. :D

Or just called "The Singularity" that reads "Soft lock the game." and nothing more. :)

@GrayVMhan nah Thanos snap is just going to be a reprint of Maddening Cacophony lmao

At instant speed too

The real issue is that nothing else in Hasbro is really making money. If you remove Monopoly Go and Baldur's Gate, Hasbro would be in some serious trouble last year. Their only hope for profitability is to milk Magic & pray the new edition of D&D is successful.

Dibs on the Lorax being my commander on the dr suess crossover

Eventually, I think they will be forced to create a Universes Beyond Masters set with In Universe versions of cards from the various Universes Beyond sets.

Sure, but then you have the issue that, if we assume the future UB sets sell ~the same as LotR (just throw in a 1/1 serial card I guess), the normal formats would be supported less and less in the coming years until they decide to just go for UB sets all year.

I could not wrap my head around why you wanted dimir to be it's own format. Slow morning, I got there eventually.

Hasbro does not care about Magic's identity anymore. They literally are seeing this as free money until it dries up.

@@guszwierlein2811 Agree. And the only way to change it, is to not buy into it. But investors/whales and people who buy into the UB IP are the ones that make it impossible. Not to speak of, that it would just drive single prices up so much, that buying displays is actually a good idea. *shrugs*

Erm...it literally is close to half of the cards printed? As he has even shown, ~400 of the ~2000 cards printed were from the LotR set. Considering they can't just up the set numbers by one, after firing a bunch of ppl from WotC, we can assume that the number of sets released that year will stay the same (as should number of new cards printed stay roughly the same), and the only thing that changes is, one more release being UB. Most sets released have between 300 and 400 cards on average. That bumps the number of UB cards released up to 800/2000. That's 40% and is an issue. even if we are being generous and assume that there will be much more reprints, just with UB art (let's make it 2/3 new cards for the sake of it), that still makes 600 cards not being Magic IP related. That's still ~30% of the cards. And let's be real here. If those set sell close to as well as LotR did, how long do you think it will take for Hasbro to demand a 3rd set to be UB? And a 4th after? They literally tested the waters the last few years, with the Commander precons and the LotR set release.

​@@neros_sorenmy only hope is that at some point they will run out of big franchises for UB. After LOTR, Final Fantasy, Harry Potter, Marvel, Star Wars, DC Comics, Warhammer battle, Warhammer 40k I don't see what they could do ? Maybe some anime stuff but there are like 3-4 only that would be famous enough and most of them have their own cards games.

@@elonex777 Run out of IPs? You drunk? They already announced more LotR sets. xD Also, own TCG doesn't matter, proven by them getting the FF IP. And let's be real here. Dr. Who is anything but big today. Same as Marvel. If that happened 3-4 years ago, this would actually make a splash.

@@neros_soren I mean they can't produce endless sets on the same IP and continue to have sales. I'm pretty sure MTG will decline sometime in the next 10 years due to Hasbro decisions. This growth is unsustainable, you can't expect to double MTG revenue every 3 years without crashing it completely.

@@elonex777 Hahahaha, you must be new here. :3 Joke aside...trust me...if they can, they will print every single IP into the ground, until no one buys it anymore. Don't forget, buying those IPs ain't cheap. Especially Marvel, even tho it dropped a bunch from 3-4 years ago. And yes, Hasbro is going to wreck MTG eventually. Hasbro falls into the same "exponential growth" issue as so many AAA game publishers. But hey, at least Hasbro helps Ubisoft to get the money swinging for Assassins Creed, right? xD

That's not what the information says, having two LOTR sized sets mean that cross over sets will be a big focal point rather then the actual story block sets since gimmick sets, mini sets and remasters already take up a lot

I thought the scuttlebutt was just d&d going to Tencent, Wizards ain't letting go of their best cash cow.

​@@ianbaker5944they would only sell Magic if they started losing a ton of money on it

That wasn't a set those were commander decks

MtG veterans are basically yelling at every cloud that passes by at this point.

It's because the magic audience is young and easily swayed and content creators run out of things to talk about. Now since Karlov isn't doing as well as previous sets, people are complaining about the state of magic. Nothing new is being said here and people had to wait 6 months for a "poor" set to be released. Soon everyone's gonna be complaining about how they can't find fallout products anywhere.

The Magic audience is young? The longest-running TCG ever? You sure? :/@@kendarsin

@@jaimerivera4332 How about instead of young I say immature. Will it get you to see my point then? Young can mean young but it can also mean new as in just getting into magic.

By all means, I've been saying the same. These complaints are so... unnecessary.@@kendarsin

Hi! Thank you for watching!

Agreed I've been dreaming of Final Fantasy and Marvel personally as big fan of both growing up, so 2025 UB is exciting for me. Been playing from Unlimited/Revised era, so same feeling for me. So +1 again for die-hard fan being pro collabs

I think there are a lot of fans out here that love it and hence why the sales are reflected. We also happen to be fans that understand the concept of not everything is made for you and that’s ok because we surely aren’t that entitled that want toys only for us. Unfortunately, the ones that don’t are also the most vocal, as they will cry at each moments notice, like this channel…outrage culture is a thing and misery loves company. I’ve only started watching this channel, and notice this guy always has something negative to push, and that is ok, I just won’t engage. If I continue to go back even when something is bad, then that’s on me.

@@hza579 agreed completely. On top of what you've mentioned, as seen with other entertainment and games, collabs truly bring people from different camps over to enjoy. I recently met someone who only got into MTG due to Warhammer 40k EDH and I am starting to hear about people who want to dabble more. As for potentially pushing players/people into other games, I've yet to really encounter an issue like that. As for this channel, give it a shot, while I don't agree with some takes, there are of course things which are impressive and fun too like their budget techs and ideas.

If they start printing UB into Pioneer, I am seriously gonna quit...

Don't really think that's true. Magic players support Magic sets. Universes Beyond brings in TONS of new Timmy's that never played before pumping up sales numbers. The primary buyers of LotR at my local shop were all the new players that found out about Magic through the LotR set. Our player numbers nearly doubled from LotR alone and, as they are new, they are spending tons on that set (and subsequent Magic sets). I just think the numbers are padded by a lot of new players joining because of UB and it isnt that Magic players aren't buying the core sets. MH2 is the best selling Magic set of all time (supported by Magic players) and Kamigawa Neon Dynasty is the best selling Winter set of all time (supported by Magic players). Clearly the Magic IP is being supported by current Magic players. UB just has support as well seeing as LotR is the second best selling set of all time.

@@Fireslingerpirate Not consistently. That's the key. They'll see consistent success with larger Universes Beyond sets because the IPs they're likely to choose for that are established and very popular. Aka they can make bank and draw in new players more consistently than building up their own IP. It's just smart business.

One issue with your mindset here: Go through the 4 main sets of the last year and count the cards that actually made an impact in the 4 biggest formats vs LotR. If you design the cards of UB to be so absurdly strong, that they are staples in 60 card formats, therefore increasing the EV by a ton, adding a 1/1 serial card that will make you a millionaire if you pull it, plus the thousands of people buying into Magic because of LotR (many of them only buying this set and not really playing the game). LotR was marketed way different than in universe sets. I mean, look at MKM. The newest set has around 5 cards that are actually played in Standard, Modern and Pioneer. And around 6/7 new cards that are played in Pauper. Why would you buy a display of MKM when the EV is just terrible, and you are better off buying the singles for 20 bucks?

@@neros_soren My mindset is that the majority of Magic players value cards based on utility vs the Magic IP. Which, demonstrates how weak the IP is. In Pokemon they just print a cool art version of an already existing Charizard worth $0.10 and people will chase it. Why? Their IP is strong so people actually care what card they're buying, not the utility. You proved my point. The majority of existing MTG players love the mechanics, the majority of potential new players care more about IP. So, you either have to grow the IP which is much more risky or use already established ones. Watch, Magic will boom with Marvel, Fallout, Final Fantasy, etc.

@@Helthurian And you count that "majority" on what? Your opinion? And no, Pokemon has chase cards, because they don't pringle, there are actually low rarity of the same card, AND the IP holds value. Also...sure...the majority of players joining through LotR care more about the MTG IP. Do you even consider thinking about what you are writing? Not even to mention, that there is a whole lot of people who bought into LotR because of the IP and never played a game of Magic after. So yeah, the sales for future UB will be great, but it will not be as much of a boost for the playerbase. And your last statement is literally why people dislike UB. You even put the argument of the issue right there. xD Let's see if you get it by yourself.

Then buy the effing FFTCG xD

@@neros_soren also a problem, not nearly as fun as Magic imo 🤣

@@r.a.w.780 Okay...Close to the same mechanics, less annoying resource system, and an IP you actually fangirl about. *shrugs*

@@neros_soren enjoy it less though, no format that feels like commander 🤷🏻 tried it a bit. Just like Magic better

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