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That's just pathetic. Max Kellerman, boxing extraordinaire, mocking a guy who has actually made it to the NBA and played. That's just pathetic. Only NBA players or former NBA players have the right to criticize their own. Not a guy who's never played for high school probably.
@@karanvinod2593 I don’t think Max meant for it to sound like that secondly he’s right. Last, what’s the point of having debate shows if you can’t criticize the players?
@@karanvinod2593 he was messing around with him lmao people are so soft and sensitive now a days you think Ryan cares what max says he was in the NBA for multiple seasons he could care less
@@Trev19171 do u realize game winners is not the only part of being clutch right? Curry’s 4-14 game tying and go ahead shots he shoots 45% fg and 40% three in the clutch in playoffs also Clutch is what u do in big moments and when the game is on the line and steph has done that multiple times such as Houston game 6 okc game 6, 7mmany more I could name it’s actually insane he avgs 28ppg and shoots 40% three in elimination games causals think game winners the only thing that matters 😹
Max was right about that though. Iggy would have more freedom, because steph, klay or kd would have got double teammed in a second. Also iggy has made more game winner buzzer beaters. He's actually like top 10.
@@hardaway1371 no he would be considered a POINT forward by a lot of people because he is a forward (front court player) who runs the offense for his team. did you read the "generally" part of my first reply?
he was spot on. curry is usually doubled/tripled at the end of a close game, also he doesnt have the most consistent clutch gene - not saying he doesnt have one, tho. of course iguodala is gonna be humble about the fact that he shows up in those moment. of course the offence is going to WANT to run it through curry. what usually happens tho is iguodala being open due to the focus on curry, he always sets himself as the option on the fly, and he can land those big shots consistently due to his openness, experience, and cool. max's statement was true for about 3 years prior to him saying, idk why people are STILL surprised lmao
@@joshualueders9566 whoa whoa whoa you’re telling me that kawhi Leonard (great player don’t get me wrong) but the kawhi Leonard who when he was finally the leader of a team blew a 3-1 lead in the WCR2, is more clutch that the late great Kobe Bean Bryant???? no way
Ryan Hollin’s take about Harden deserving MVP over Giannis was not even a hot take. Despite running isolations almost every play, Harden literally carried the injury-riddled Rockets to one of the best records and best offenses in the league. Dude averaged 36 ppg, and broke several records, he was without a doubt the most “valuable” player to his team’s success. Take him off and they would’ve been in the running for worst record in the league.
@@Superjrh2001bron forfeited any chance of being the “goat” when he choked against the mavs in 2011. Sorry. If you can’t get a 3 peat with a superteam you ain’t the goat.
@the ey weed that's the thing tho, I feel like a lot of these guys are paid to say some wild shit maybe not these takes in the video but alot of others
They’re all trolling. This is how they retain viewership. Who wants to watch a bunch of people who have never played basketball have level headed takes and respect each other’s opinions?
The Ryan Hollins take was actually a good one. Hardens team was injured majority of the season, and harden averaged 36 ppg breaking like 30 records over the season while carrying an injured rockets team to the 4th seed. Could’ve been the 2nd seed if they won the final game of the season too.
Max always ends up having to say all that dumb stuff because first take is a "debate show." Wouldn't be entertaining if they agreed all the time. But actually trying to come up with factual evidence for that dumb stuff is a talent 🤣
Ya his kobe mount rushmore argument was completely valid. Lebron is much better than kobe. Kobe only had 2 finals mvp. Shaq is better than kobe in my opinion
I think he’s right too like no joke. Not saying Kobe isn’t the better one to have in a fourth quarter, but I just think Kawhi doesn’t feel pressure at all. 1st shot or last it’s all the same to him. the dude is a robot.
Ryan hollins was 100% correct on the harden/giannis mvp robbery. Harden deserved that he had the greatest offensive year in nba history and it was also his personal best defense year where he was 1 in steals and 1 in deflections in the nba. ESPN hated harden at that time tho.
They clown Pierce so much when he mentioned he had a better career than DWade, which he did not, but he has a point. If Paul had a young Shaq or LeBron and Bosh he would've easily been seen as a bigger star than what he already was. His other takes were terrible though
Okay but all he did was bring up a bunch of “ifs” with the comparison between him and D-Wade. He said nothing about the careers they actually both had and he didn’t really answer the question
But it is true. Kobe is overrated under pressure and is less clutch on a per shot basis than guys like Steph, LeBron, Embiid, Kawhii, Luka, and others.
I love that Kobe vs Kawhi take by Max. The other guy(forget his name) had to get up twice just to catch his breath cuz he was shocked by the stupidity he was hearing. First time looked like he was just going to walk off the set with a, "what? I'm out man".
Ryan Hollins takes were not as bad as others, but he was wrong about Giannis not deserving MVP. And he was wrong about the Lebron, MJ, Kobe thing too. The bulls and warriors one is debatable. Thanks for watching tho
@Efren Rodriguez Ok so I want to say that just because something is an opinion, doesn’t make it valid. Like wasn’t the thing Max said about Kobe and kawhi also an opinion? But obviously 90% of people know that that’s a crazy thing to say. Even though it’s an opinion, Max was obviously wrong. The thing about lebron is wrong because he said neither Kobe or MJ could fill lebron’s shoes. He pretty much just called lebron the GOAT, and he didn’t even think about it. That statement is severely incorrect and also by most nba fans standards would agree with me. Did you see the reaction shaq and Max had. I’m not saying that it’s dumb just because he called lebron the GOAT. I don’t think lebron is the goat, Because I think MJ is definitely better and lebron comes second, but that’s not my point. Saying MJ or Kobe couldn’t fill his shoes, is going too far
@Efren Rodriguez I see where you’re coming from. It’s not dumb to say Lebron is the GOAT, but it’s definitely not smart to say neither MJ or Kobe could fill his shoes
@Efren Rodriguez Yes I’m saying MJ could. I believe that. Maybe not Kobe, because Kobe is obviously worse than lebron and MJ. No disrespect to him, he’s still a top 10 player of all time. I think MJ could because look at MJ’s rookie stats. He had MVP stats as a rookie: 28, 6, 6 on 50% shooting from the field and 85% from the free throw. That’s literally MVP stats. He was 21.
Omg why did I click this video. It's 2023 now, I completely forgotten bout all of these horrific takes from Hollins and Kellerman and this brought all that trauma back. Max and Hollins back to back was too triggering
To be fair the question was who was a better draw for the audience (ie TV ratings). NFL is more popular and get more TV rating than NBA. It could have been true that at the height of Tim Tebow mania, he drew more people to watch than Kobe or Lebron.
To be fair, Tebow actually was and maybe still is a bigger draw than LeBron. Remember, The media covered and promoted the hell out of Tebow when he signed a minor league deal in baseball. And continued to cover him and thought it was great when he batted .186 in the minors.
Correction: Paul Piece used the step back as weapon but wasn't popularized through him, it was popularized through James Harden. Even tho I don't like James Harden, Harden popularized the step back shot because it created space and drew fouls.
Maybe he would have been but not anymore after those injuries, playoff flop and load managements. Kawhi was a beast until Zaza injured him, even better than KD.
