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Would Porsche Taycan EV buyers be better off with a 560bhp PHEV Panamera 4S E-Hybrid? 

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The Porsche Taycan 4S is a pure EV I tested a few weeks ago but would many potential buyers be better served by buying the PHEV Panamera E-Hybrid instead? That's what I investigate in this video..
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@sparky4878
@sparky4878 3 года назад
Just have to explain to the police officer, when pulled over, that you were going through the sub-menus to adjust the air vents. Surely all these touch screen functions can't be safe to use.
@harrysgarage
@harrysgarage 3 года назад
Think it's time legislators took note of all these touch screen operations on latest models. Starting to get silly now.
@anonym3017
@anonym3017 3 года назад
germany already did back when a judge classed adjustig the wipers in a tesla (which is done in the infotainment) as distracted driving
@robertcook2572
@robertcook2572 3 года назад
Is there any evidence that the number and/or severity of RTAs has increased since touch screens started to become commonplace? Same goes for smart motorways. These things often seem bad, but are they always so? I remember when the Lotus Carlton was widely believed to be the most dangerous thing yet devised by mankind. Nowadays, if you had just 380hp you'd keep quiet down at 'Ye Olde Carbe and Camshafte' and hope nobody noticed.
@VinderGroup3
@VinderGroup3 3 года назад
@@harrysgarage agreed, I also think it’s an irresponsible attempt at saving money for the manufacturers. Buy the cheap screen and make everything work off it rather than a physical control and sell it under the guise of modern technology.
@redchristy
@redchristy 3 года назад
They are not and I only have an octavia vrs 😂
@scotdoc
@scotdoc 3 года назад
Nice, but makes my 2nd hand under £30k 28k mile diesel Panamera that gives me 50 mpg seem like phenomenal value.
@deheerdeheer
@deheerdeheer 3 года назад
The dilemma we've all had to deal with! 😆👍🏻
@horatiotimewaster5755
@horatiotimewaster5755 3 года назад
Quite a troubling conundrum, indeed.
@jordan9339
@jordan9339 3 года назад
Unluckily, most of us don't have to.
@TheBurnAlive
@TheBurnAlive 3 года назад
The biggest dilemma would be 100 km/h speed limit
@isaacfeinberg4623
@isaacfeinberg4623 3 года назад
We *wish* we had to deal with
@2Truth2you
@2Truth2you 3 года назад
@@isaacfeinberg4623 Swapped my Porsche for a cheaper car to run and maintain. Best thing I ever did. Now I can afford holidays abroad.
@FootToPedal
@FootToPedal 3 года назад
Is it just me or does the Sport Turismo look so much better than the regular Panamera? Must be that wagon body style, looks so clean to me. Fantastic video as always Harry!
@albertdesalvo7273
@albertdesalvo7273 3 года назад
Agreed.
@apoorvachandras
@apoorvachandras 3 года назад
I've always thought that the Panamera would look good as a shooting brake rather than a pudgy looking saloon car. The Sport Turismo looks just right.
@FootToPedal
@FootToPedal 3 года назад
@@apoorvachandras Yeah I just find the roofline too high on the standard Panamera. I know this was deliberate but it throws the proportions way off imo
@2552legoboy
@2552legoboy 3 года назад
when people see one it makes them happy its looks so much better
@davidowen2859
@davidowen2859 2 года назад
Much prefer the saloon.
@erichakanson7010
@erichakanson7010 3 года назад
I've never been a huge fan of the "regular" Panamera, but the Sport Turismo is a very handsome touring car. Like many other enthusiasts, I'm not yet ready to fully embrace EV's, so my choice would be the Panamera Sport Turismo hybrid rather than the Taycan. (although I'd take the Panamera ST Turbo over both of them.) Thanks Harry! Happy New Year to you!
@mufflejoy
@mufflejoy 3 года назад
I agree (also on the thanks to Harry). I drove the 2019 Sport Turismo E-hybrid at Porsche Museum rental in Stuttgart. - 0-160: Woohooo, that was fun - 200-110 (that happens on Autobahn quite a lot): ooooh shhhiiiii - this thing is heavy.
@goodboybuddy1
@goodboybuddy1 3 года назад
Love when Harry gets genuinely annoyed!
@langraman8756
@langraman8756 3 года назад
tesla is the better ev to have
@5thgearouttahere
@5thgearouttahere 3 года назад
You wouldn't take the hybrid? Is it purely the sound the turbo makes?
@mufflejoy
@mufflejoy 3 года назад
@@5thgearouttahere For me it is the 300-400 kg extra weight and drive train complexity. It does make a big big difference.
@TheophilusPWildbeest
@TheophilusPWildbeest 3 года назад
Spot on the same conclusion as I reached, after driving pure electric for 5 years (using my wife's car for occasional distance) I recently bought a phev 330e, and now distances are no longer an issue and I still get 125 mpg overall. And my reason was, as Harry said, inadequate infrastructure. Charging points that are wrong network, broken, occupied, or just non-existent sent me back to a hybrid. Lots of houses do not have dedicated parking/charging places, so hybrids will be here until electric cars can do 1000 miles on a quick charge.
@harrysgarage
@harrysgarage 3 года назад
Good to hear! I/we tried pure electric for nearly 12 months and it simply didn't work out for us, as we tend to do occasional long journeys each month and the stress of not knowing whether our chosen charge point on route was going to work or not was simply not worth the effort. We moved to the PHEV X5 and have been amazed at how much of our mileage is on pure electric and we have zero range concerns when doing longer distances. Feels like a win-win to us and can't see us going back to pure electric for some time!
@fabriziom
@fabriziom 3 года назад
@@harrysgarage from a consumer standpoint it makes sense until the charging network is not fully there yet (unless you have a Tesla). Cost wise, the phev consumption on pure electric is bad vs. a taycan. Of course we're talking expensive cars here, so cost of fuel/electricity is negligible, though. Not for the masses!
@jon623197
@jon623197 3 года назад
Another great vid Harry, thank you for all of your time and effort, and for passing on you're knowledge. It's greatly appreciated. Stay safe and I hope you and your family have a great new year. Jon.
@Brownalebelly
@Brownalebelly 3 года назад
Happy 2021 Harry and thank you for the joy you have brought to us and for the joy you are going to bring to us. Stay safe!
@paultaylor701
@paultaylor701 3 года назад
Touch screen...how long until all these digital dashboards look like the 80s Aston Martin Lagonda?
@TheophilusPWildbeest
@TheophilusPWildbeest 3 года назад
If only they'd make more cars that look like something from thunderbirds - oh hang on, cybertruck!
@rickc2102
@rickc2102 3 года назад
One of these auto companies with the LCD gauges needs to wise up and create a Lagonda-style green-scale display mode.
@stringer-ik1pc
@stringer-ik1pc 3 года назад
@Paul Fellows stupid comment. They're worth a fortune. Carry on playing with your trains set. Knob.
@2Truth2you
@2Truth2you 3 года назад
Touch screens are vomit. Tesla 3 for sale with flat battery. Charge station 85km away. Will need to be towed.
@revolutronic
@revolutronic 3 года назад
especially when you think classic cars.these things will be completely unusable within the next 20 years. if you want to preserve nowaday cars you´ll need a fleet of IT specialists who restore ECUs and displays
@irvings159
@irvings159 3 года назад
Looked forward to this all day!
@The_Foulmouthed_Cypriot
@The_Foulmouthed_Cypriot 3 года назад
Another fantastic video from Harry to kick off 2021.
@slipknot6622
@slipknot6622 3 года назад
Looking forward to 2021 with Harry's videos.
@Stan5o
@Stan5o 3 года назад
Yes Harry- happy new year! 👍
@P.Galore
@P.Galore 3 года назад
Happy New Year Harry!....LOVE the tail light design Porsche is using now - thin tube lighting taking full advantage of technology. I've never driven a first generation Panamera but I did ride in the back seat and that was enough to add it to my bucket list - just sensational.
@hpman911
@hpman911 3 года назад
It’s just to big for your average UK country road. Marked parking bays won’t accommodate it either, let alone a single garage space.
@carlubetv
@carlubetv 3 года назад
Harry I always enjoy your videos and watch them all, you're a great engaging presenter, your editing, different angles and views of the car, inside and out are fabulous..
@rmc4795
@rmc4795 3 года назад
Another good real world review, thanks Harry
@Joshua-cu1uz
@Joshua-cu1uz 3 года назад
Word to the wise- Try reducing the Title length. Something a little more concise. The Algorithms like it & it fills a larger search bracket. Eg - ‘Porsche Panamera e-hybrid: Better than a Taycan ?’
@jackrobinson3392
@jackrobinson3392 3 года назад
Copy Doug demuros style he has it down.
@Joshua-cu1uz
@Joshua-cu1uz 3 года назад
@@jackrobinson3392 Seen through Glass also
@jimmyh6601
@jimmyh6601 3 года назад
@@jackrobinson3392 I think Harry has a classier following than Doug
@Joshua-cu1uz
@Joshua-cu1uz 3 года назад
@@jimmyh6601 Doug also has a much larger following. However, not sure how his following is relevant
@joshualewis3337
@joshualewis3337 3 года назад
"You'd be amazed at how little fuel you'll use in the Panamera!" Meanwhile the Taycan uses zero fuel 😂
@mattevans4377
@mattevans4377 3 года назад
I miss the days when the sport saloon and sport estate were popular. Sporty SUVs just make zero sense to me, and the SUV coupes even less so.
@Jabber-ig3iw
@Jabber-ig3iw 3 года назад
It’s not rocket science, some people prefer the raised driving position, them being easier to get in and out of and it being easier to get stuff in and out of them. The sporty ones make less sense but try getting someone to buy a high end model with no performance.
@mattevans4377
@mattevans4377 3 года назад
@@Jabber-ig3iw Rolls Royce: Are we a joke to you?
@mattevans4377
@mattevans4377 3 года назад
@@moa-wg3bo But you don't buy a Rolls for speed was my point.
@nabahmadi5012
@nabahmadi5012 Год назад
Well it sells. And with porche, the cayenne saved them. Suv 4 door coupes, with the swooping rear roof, DO not make sense to me..I agree with you.
@mattevans4377
@mattevans4377 Год назад
@@nabahmadi5012 Define saved? Because building aborted fetuses and calling them cars sounds more like purgatory than salvation.
@jasonpowell9022
@jasonpowell9022 3 года назад
Another great video Harry. Something to look forward to stuck at home in lockdown.
@kristy77a
@kristy77a 3 года назад
Illuminating! Happy New Year, Harry!
@seanfinlay7393
@seanfinlay7393 3 года назад
Agree with the vent control gripe, Harry is so right on.
@HawkMillFarm
@HawkMillFarm 3 года назад
I’ve had a Cayenne Hybrid on loan, you are right they are a lovely mix of silent easy driving in town or stop-start traffic and do the speed and range when you need too. I was very impressed. If I didn’t tow and off road the Pani would be top of my list. Don’t take either near a multi-storey car park however.
@peterclifton6312
@peterclifton6312 3 года назад
Great video look forward to the next one 👍
@kittonsmitton
@kittonsmitton 3 года назад
Thanks for another post for sanity Harry, as you say EV's are to early for the technology, they still have details to work out. Happy New Year Harry and Fam. Here's hoping for an exceptionally good spring on the farm, all the best!.
@CarBore
@CarBore 3 года назад
I see a Harrys Garage Video, I click without even caring what it is 😂👍
@rajjy1976
@rajjy1976 3 года назад
How very original 😒
@CarBore
@CarBore 3 года назад
@@rajjy1976 Oh dear
@darrenbradley1506
@darrenbradley1506 3 года назад
I realize the point of this episode is to discuss electric and hybrid-electric options, but I own a Panamera Turbo Sport Turismo (the non-hybrid one), and it's a joy to drive. Doesn't have all of that heft you were complaining about with the e-Hybrid, thanks to not needing to carry around all those batteries. It really does feel like a much smaller car. Would love to hear your take on it if you have the opportunity to review one.
@thedrivebygg
@thedrivebygg 3 года назад
Great video as always, I tested BMW I8 quire a few years back and that also ran on electric only up to 70mph I think, could be a good shout getting one of them back for a video to see how far hybrids have or haven’t moved on
@wotrulke5868
@wotrulke5868 3 года назад
Great review as always 👍🏼 I hope the new lockdown regulations ( as of 04/01/2021 ) don’t stop your channel, stay safe 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@theodor12
@theodor12 3 года назад
Not really a fan of the Panamera, but the colour is absolutely wonderful.
@noelodwyer
@noelodwyer 3 года назад
Ah yes, a colour Clarkson described as the colour of a vets forearm.
@Auraxium
@Auraxium 3 года назад
For a steam locomotive maybe
@Mireaze
@Mireaze 3 года назад
Excited to see the taycan estate, whenever that's out
@plugsocket9432
@plugsocket9432 3 года назад
March 2021.
@electricfelix
@electricfelix 3 года назад
@@plugsocket9432 Ready For It!
@SamAustin
@SamAustin 3 года назад
Always a great video Harry 👍
@james-oo7qj
@james-oo7qj 3 года назад
Excellent as always Harry
@GenaF
@GenaF 3 года назад
I was never a fan of Porsche styling. As a child, I called the old rubber bumpered 911's dodgem cars. However I absolutely love the style of both the Taycan and now the Panamera. Absolutely lovely cars. Way out of my price range but very easy on my eyes.
@geoffclarke8934
@geoffclarke8934 3 года назад
I'm just the opposite. Love the styling of most 911's but have never liked the Panamera, though I don't doubt its great GT with excellent dynamics.
@kingpinag7759
@kingpinag7759 3 года назад
It's a good day when Harry releases a new video
@rajjy1976
@rajjy1976 3 года назад
Man, none of my comments have ever got as many likes as your bland one 😭😭 I need to go away and regroup
@kingpinag7759
@kingpinag7759 3 года назад
@@rajjy1976 if u believe that getting likes for a youtube comment is an achievement then ur life is bland bruv
@tomranum6
@tomranum6 3 года назад
Great video as always!
@Bluebottle_GB
@Bluebottle_GB 3 года назад
Another nugget of pure gold from Harry. If only the RU-vid algorithm could put the irritating advert breaks in better places rather than mid-sentence... Also, is there not an affiliate link for CTEK? I'd have thought the sponsor would want to offer a discount to us viewers or a kickback to Harry and the team if it garners more business for them - added to which I need a charger!
@Mio-Vita
@Mio-Vita 3 года назад
The name is as long as the car, jolly good video as always.
@paddymuppy
@paddymuppy 3 года назад
"Jolly good" 🤣 You twat.
@Mio-Vita
@Mio-Vita 3 года назад
Thank you for your low class comment
@ColinMill1
@ColinMill1 3 года назад
It's been on my list of possible next cars for a while. I feel that for most of us PHEVs get us a long way towards being electrically powered for most of our journeys (EU average daily drive is 19 miles). And of course the Panamera provides an engaging driving experience!
@user-mg9he3qj3n
@user-mg9he3qj3n 3 года назад
Still good to see the excitement on your face in “launch mode” Harry 🚒👍
@forbello
@forbello 3 года назад
Whatever your opinion on it’s details, this is absolutely the definition of ‘all the car you’d ever need’ Space, comfort, tech, speed, handling, hybrid economy & a Porsche badge on the bonnet.
@pragm8627
@pragm8627 3 года назад
Harry’s wisdom. Well worth listening
@fisherh9111
@fisherh9111 3 года назад
Harry is a wonderful man.
@antonoat
@antonoat 3 года назад
Harry the definitive motoring brain ! Happy new year to you Sir. Could this be the ultimate cross Europe method? lol. It's funny Harry, when you were a student 0-60mph in 3+ seconds was considered racing car type performance !
@golfplaat2
@golfplaat2 3 года назад
Really enjoyed how you ranted away on that touch-screen controlled vent.
@TheCarBloke
@TheCarBloke 3 года назад
I don’t skip the ads when I watch Harry just so RU-vid know how a car channel should be done and to give harry a little ‘tip’ like I would for a good meal at a restaurant!
@2pini18
@2pini18 3 года назад
The green of the badging clashes terribly with the maroon paint.
@Tec2Nut
@Tec2Nut 3 года назад
I want one, love the look
@KrisFLton
@KrisFLton 3 года назад
Happy New Year Harry. Great content as ever. Any chance you’ll be trying the Mustang Mach E? Would love your point of view, given your experiments...
@jaapthieme6561
@jaapthieme6561 3 года назад
I would be prefer this one much more! Happy New Year Harry!
@stephane_edouard
@stephane_edouard 3 года назад
That back end si so 928GTS inspired
@1954telecaster
@1954telecaster 3 года назад
Not really...
@stevenkelby2169
@stevenkelby2169 3 года назад
Yes it sure is reminiscent of the old 928. That was also a fat pig!
@notDonaldFagen
@notDonaldFagen 3 года назад
I heard the 928 was coming back. Is that still true?
@mro9466
@mro9466 3 года назад
Les Porsche c'est du chinois !
@fraserwright9482
@fraserwright9482 3 года назад
Corvette front/A6/911 rear that is the Panamera design formula.
@DPPremier
@DPPremier 3 года назад
What about warming up the engine in a hybrid? I mean when you just used electric power till a certain point and then you want to really push on-don't you then have to wait for the engine to warm up first?
@tomdeville8018
@tomdeville8018 3 года назад
Amazing car, I went for the cayenne coupe e-hybrid eventually last year because this one is too long to fit in a modern garage. I also have reached the conclusion that you need to sit higher these days with so many other suv's and tall vans on the roads. I expect to keep it for the long term. great channel, thanks.
@sarajackson3375
@sarajackson3375 3 года назад
Great video as always, I think the Sport Turismo will have some stiff competition when the Taycan Sport Turismo is available though.
@hedydd2
@hedydd2 3 года назад
Is it good engineering to have turbocharged engines stop dead and restart to instant high revs? Sounds like really expensive engine repairs to expect down the time road and consequential massive depreciation continuing for the first seven years until it becomes a bargain basement heap that nobody wants to risk. Maybe I'm getting old?
@theseb1979
@theseb1979 3 года назад
Manufacturers don’t care. As long as it lasts for the warranty period and brings down their fleet mpg average. Same silliness as stop start v2.
@jfv65
@jfv65 3 года назад
It's not an issue. They just engineer around that problem. Just look at Toyota hybrids. 100% start-stop all the time. Can't be switched off. Still they are very reliable. 400000+km is no exception for those engines. I think they engineer around the start-stop problem by using 0W20 full synthetic oil and an electric oilpressure pump. The ICE will have instant oil pressure as soon as the ECU orders it to start up.
@alunjones2550
@alunjones2550 3 года назад
It seems to me that certain cars cause more distraction for the driver, trying to figure out how to use essential things like heaters and radio than if the driver was illegally texting on their phone. They've all jumped on the touchscreen fashion bandwagon and forgot about ergonomics and safety.
@Trendyflute
@Trendyflute 3 года назад
Yes; "new" for the sake of marketing and sales hasn't been "better" very often for the last several years; it's very frustrating that cars are getting worse in a lot of ways recently...
@EliteRock
@EliteRock 3 года назад
I wonder what the old guys who designed the Saab 900 dash would think?
@neilsa9292
@neilsa9292 3 года назад
@@EliteRock They'd be spinning in their graves, I drive a classic 900,I don't have to look for any controls, I know where they are and where they should be LOL.
@Rhaman68
@Rhaman68 3 года назад
Actually, to the average driver, this is not an issue after a short & quick learning curve. Touchscreen or otherwise controls, being in Auto, there’s no need to fiddle while driving. The issue of not paying attention while driving is a human issue: discipline. 2091 Audi TT Roadster is “old fashioned” driving. 2018 Ioniq PHEV is newer and early on it was tempting to “drive & learn” vs. learn/set when parked. But discipline won even with lane departure warning and emergency braking features. Thanks
@EliteRock
@EliteRock 3 года назад
@@Rhaman68 The problem isn't the "learning curve", it's the lack of any tactility whatsoever - *you can't operate a touch-screen by feel.* Is this hard to grasp (sic)?
@ruschman96
@ruschman96 3 года назад
I very much enjoy your videos. Thank you
@guitarenigma
@guitarenigma 3 года назад
Great stuff, Harry! Happy New Year! By the way, describing something as "grotty" always reminds me of George Harrison in 'A Hard Day's Night'! ;-)
@TheFarCobra
@TheFarCobra 3 года назад
I believe it was Bacon who said “There is no sublime hideousness without some small beauty in the proportion.” I am only watching to see if I can spot that small beauty ... I guess the bonnet badge looks nice.
@markgilbertson1564
@markgilbertson1564 3 года назад
Seriously ugly barge. Awesome engineering but looks huge from every angle.
@th3b0untyhunter
@th3b0untyhunter 3 года назад
We have one visit the undercroft regularly in the apartment block i live in. It is a big car but looks great from every angle, especially the rear three quarter view.
@whitefields5595
@whitefields5595 3 года назад
Is there a tendency to abuse a cold engine if the start of all journeys are electric?
@gplusgplus2286
@gplusgplus2286 3 года назад
Yes thats my question too. On my 2000 Audi I never go above 3k rpm unless its up to temp, in this car you basically turn on the engine to thrash it cold.
@honestyisthegucci
@honestyisthegucci 3 года назад
thought the same
@schmoestudy
@schmoestudy 3 года назад
Wondering the same. Initial cold starts and acceleration are higher rpms. Cruising speed is generally not stressful for engine given many gears and low rpm
@caleidoo
@caleidoo 3 года назад
With all that tech, I would be ridiculous if there was nothing heating up the engine oil while driving electric, no?
@whitefields5595
@whitefields5595 3 года назад
@@caleidoo I presume it is still a wet-sump engine so although the oil could be pre-heated, the whirly rubbing bits would still be cold .... unless there is an electric oil pump too? Maybe it all doesn't matter if the Green Imperative matters more. Where's Greta when you need her?
@benoram6696
@benoram6696 3 года назад
Great video Harry! I ‘quite like’ the looks of the Panamera, but looking forward to the ‘proper’ cars! Haha. I’m in Cirencester, so hopefully I will see you driving past in something beautiful soon!
@robt8620
@robt8620 3 года назад
Another sensible video from Harry, expected nothing else
@resnonverba137
@resnonverba137 3 года назад
Out of the two, it would be the Panamera for me for a multitude of reasons. Maybe in 10 years when the charging situation and battery technology have improved drastically, I may reconsider.
@nlSpiller
@nlSpiller 3 года назад
There is no need to have a better battery or faster charging than a Taycan brings to the table really. I'm sure they will both still improve but Porsche has gotten it bang on with their first try. I'll have a Taycan over the Panamera any day of the week. Also I've done Harwich to Scotland multiple times in my little Ioniq EV. Roadtrips aren't about laptimes, having a charge and being able to relax is not a bad part of the trip in my opinion.
@davidblackwell7958
@davidblackwell7958 3 года назад
Doesn’t the engine need to warm up before jumping into life and hitting the Rev limiter ?
@smorris12
@smorris12 3 года назад
As with all very expensive cars, by the time such s thing becomes a problem they've long got rid of it.
@Scuderia2000HD
@Scuderia2000HD 3 года назад
exactly what i was thinking, all these plug in hybrids suffer from this issue as people just let it go from electric to full engine power on a stone cold day! I can see a lot of costly failures when these cars reach 10+ years old
@edc1569
@edc1569 3 года назад
If it's anything like my Golf, the oils being pumped round the engine when on electric and it's also got a bit of waste heat from the electric system before it comes into life. You have to consider the life of the engine as a total though, and you've got to discount additional thousands of hours of low output operation that a conventional engine would have to deliver that these engines will never need to provide.
@JackS425
@JackS425 3 года назад
I’m sure they figured out a way around that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they had some kind of heat exchanger between the electric cooling system and the gasoline engine so the motor will heat the engine
@siraff4461
@siraff4461 3 года назад
Don't worry - I'm sure if you thought of it Porsche with their millions of r&d and loads of engineers would have aswell. Oh and it won't just jump to life and hit the rev limiter any more readily than any other modern car.
@zypp33
@zypp33 3 года назад
Excellent vid,thanks.
@elliottwhitfield1046
@elliottwhitfield1046 3 года назад
Fantastic video Harry
@richardstamper5630
@richardstamper5630 3 года назад
Harry, got a question. I was always taught to never rev a cold engine and yet this Panamera defaults to electric with the petrol engine cutting in when required. So, if the car is running hard on electric and suddenly the petrol engine cuts in (cold) isn't this wearing the engine out prematurely?
@ciaranwebb6871
@ciaranwebb6871 3 года назад
Discounted by the fact the engine is off for a much larger percentage of the time vs a regular engine. Modern oils and electric oil pumps etc mean not a problem.
@simonshaffer
@simonshaffer 3 года назад
I love this channel; anyone missing the BBC?
@Herkulez1981
@Herkulez1981 3 года назад
Great video as usual harry.
@bencarpanini9905
@bencarpanini9905 3 года назад
I totally agree with your conclusions Harry. I drive a BMW 530e and it gives the best of both worlds. Since Lockdown in March, I have travelled 2,500 miles and averaged 75 mpg. The battery could do with more range and the newer model has been suitably endowed with a bigger battery. It's all the car I could ask for and I value the comfort over out and out performance. Keep up the good work, you have a new subscriber!
@6th.replicant577
@6th.replicant577 3 года назад
So, when accelerating out of the village up the hill, the ICE fired-up at 2000rpm and revved up to the red line - all while the engine oil was cold. Ouch! How many miles of such cold-start abuse before the ICE and its turbos need a costly rebuild - not many I suspect? Not a great used-buy, then.
@hpman911
@hpman911 3 года назад
Surely Porsche would have taken that question into account when designing this car, it’s a pretty basic requirement after all!
@scubyfan
@scubyfan 3 года назад
@@hpman911 only for the warranty period. Why make it last 100k miles or more? No need
@hpman911
@hpman911 3 года назад
@@scubyfan The warranty period can now be extended for up to 15 years and covers all important mechanical parts of the car.
@scubyfan
@scubyfan 3 года назад
@@hpman911 at what cost?
@ciaranwebb6871
@ciaranwebb6871 3 года назад
@@scubyfan Surely as they're mostly sold on finance they'll very much be worried about the 2nd hand resale value, and thus reliability.
@SStarwind
@SStarwind 3 года назад
It's a Porsche station wagon and I don't care about any of the rest of it.
@rickc2102
@rickc2102 3 года назад
Seriously, I'd be very happy with the standard 4 Sport Turismo.
@SStarwind
@SStarwind 3 года назад
@@rickc2102 Absolutely. Even better if it can get some slightly beefier tires for dirt roads.
@jacobandersson6872
@jacobandersson6872 3 года назад
Great vid Harry, as always! It would be lovely if you could test the SportTurismo GTS and compare the two. Cheers!
@mdnmdn1655
@mdnmdn1655 3 года назад
Superb video, many thanks for the work. That's re-focussed me away from the 4.0 V8 and on to the e-Hybrid. What amazing figures for economy and carbon emissions. Wonderful engineering.
@moo4rich
@moo4rich 3 года назад
Does it warm the engine on E ready for when it's need?
@edc1569
@edc1569 3 года назад
a little bit with some waste heat from the inverter/motor, probably get you about 20 + ambient
@robtt997
@robtt997 3 года назад
A feeling of heft ! That sums up most ev . I remember SAAB used to have a night mode button. All lighting turned off on the dash except the speedo. It was a good thing. Wish modern cars had the same button as I find the ‘iPad’ dashboards distracting when driving .
@richardharrold9736
@richardharrold9736 3 года назад
Never understood why you'd want to black out the other gauges, especially the tach...
@robtt997
@robtt997 3 года назад
@@richardharrold9736 It was less distracting . Any warning gauge would light up as necessary .
@richardharrold9736
@richardharrold9736 3 года назад
@@robtt997 if I wanted to black anything out, the LAST gauge to go would be the tach. Most important gauge on any car.
@Geraldlord5303
@Geraldlord5303 3 года назад
Thank you for that information very helpful
@markdschedler
@markdschedler Год назад
My third time with this video as I’ve had my eye on the Panamera hybrid for some time. Harry’s comments and opinions are the best in the business. I would buy this car tomorrow based on my experience with my Boxster S and two GMC Yukon XL’s. Thank you.
@billystylish
@billystylish 3 года назад
I've always wondered if hybrids have an integrated oil or block heater onboard, seems harsh to put the petrol engine under stress so quickly after firing up.
@JeffNolan
@JeffNolan 2 года назад
Porsche advises in the owner manual to not let the car warm up before driving it.
@CarThought
@CarThought 3 года назад
Still don’t understand why anyone would buy one of these over a used 640d/A7 3.0tdi or 3.0 Panamera diesel. You could use the £70K cash left over to fuel it for the next 30 years.
@graygamingps4503
@graygamingps4503 3 года назад
Exactly. Then you're saving the planet by not buying a brand spanking new car off the production line
@ericpisch2732
@ericpisch2732 3 года назад
@@graygamingps4503 yep, just shut down all manufacturing and the planets saved
@graygamingps4503
@graygamingps4503 3 года назад
@@ericpisch2732 I never said that
@marvinsamuels1237
@marvinsamuels1237 3 года назад
Nice video Harry. An interesting and worthwhile comparison for potential buyers. The jump to full EV is so expensive, PHEV’s seem like the best halfway house to me.
@Spleen214
@Spleen214 3 года назад
Another good video. Thanks and as usual your reviews reflect what people are thinking as they watch. It might of been just me but at the start when you where driving on electric power it sounded like there was a terrible drone coming from the tyres?
@doctorjonathanday
@doctorjonathanday 3 года назад
The one thing Harry this video neglects is the astronomical financial saving of buying the Taycan as a business owner. You can offset 15% of the Panamera cost against your business’s capital allowance in year 1, vs 100% of your capital allowance with the Taycan, added to which there are no BIK payments due to HMRC for either the owner or the business with the Taycan. For a high rate taxpayer who owns their business, that equates to a saving of around £30k for a profitable business for the Taycan vs the Panamera in year 1 of ownership alone. This has to be considered in reviews because it makes for a major consideration in purchasing decisions for business owners.
@nomrulestheplanet
@nomrulestheplanet 3 года назад
Think this is mentioned at the end
@harrysgarage
@harrysgarage 3 года назад
Keep watching to the end..
@andymiller8877
@andymiller8877 3 года назад
Obviously haven't seen previous videos from Harry then.
@doctorjonathanday
@doctorjonathanday 3 года назад
@@harrysgarage I appreciate you mention it at the end Harry. But £30k saving is worth more than what is effectively just a footnote comment at the end in my humble opinion. Most Panamera owners would choose a 911 over the Panamera if they didn’t need the space. Just as most Taycan owners running 1 or 2 cars would choose a 911 if it wasn’t for the tax saving. 911, Taycan and Panamera all fit different requirements.
@Nord_Mann
@Nord_Mann 3 года назад
@@doctorjonathanday agree! My family outgrew my 911 CarreraT and no way in hell I’d choos the BIG whale of a car that the Panamera is to replace the 911. The size of the Taycan is just superb fitting the needs of a motoring happy family of 2 adults and 2 teenagers. The styling is amazing. The economy outstanding. The performance IRL unbeatable and the handling almost on par with the 911. Fun factor 80-90% of the 911. The Taycan wins it every day of the year! Best car on sale today!🥇
@andrewhill9513
@andrewhill9513 3 года назад
Great video again. As an engineer I often wonder how this sort of car is driven and the wear and tear on the engine before it's warmed up. Starting off in electric, driving from home, getting out of town, then the road opens up and "the beans" are used, thrashing a cold engine isn't good for it. I've not experience a hybrid, so don't know if the car protects itself. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts
@hpman911
@hpman911 3 года назад
Can’t believe Porsche haven’t thought of this as it’s pretty fundamental.
@gambiting
@gambiting 3 года назад
@@hpman911 You really think Porsche hasn't thought about it??? My own Volvo XC60 PHEV when driven in pure electric mode circulates the oil in the engine at full pressure, heats up the oil using the auxilary heater, and the oil is 0W20 so it's practically water. I can absolutely guarantee that if Volvo could figure this out 5 years ago, Porsche also has this sorted out. Also if you're like most regular drivers in this country, the engine will very rarely run at all - so the longevity of the engine will be an order or two of magnitude longer than in a regular non-PHEV version.
@hpman911
@hpman911 3 года назад
@@gambiting My post was sarcastic ie I was saying of course they HAD thought about it due to their engineering expertise . I can’t believe there are so many posts on this video asking basically the same question over and over. Glad to hear Volvo have managed a solution and I’m sure Porsche have something very similar in place as well.
@gambiting
@gambiting 3 года назад
@@hpman911 ah. Sorry, I didn't see the sarcasm :-D
@mike_oe
@mike_oe 3 года назад
very interesting, thanks for sharing!
@davidandreasson3575
@davidandreasson3575 3 года назад
Your comment on the (old) Panamera that it ”makes you feel like you’re going to a conference” is still valid in my opinion.
@joneldridge5513
@joneldridge5513 3 года назад
The one thing that I'm concerned about is when the ICE is suddenly asked to give full power on kick down. Harry came out of the 30 mph speed limit of the village, having driven it all the way to that point on electric. Then, booting it up the hill when the engine is stone cold. Can that be good for the ICE, with all lubricants no where near up to temperature? I'm wondering if there maybe some breakdowns and component failures, when so much could be potentially demanded from a cold engine..just a thought.
@davidowen2859
@davidowen2859 2 года назад
That's a very good point. I drive a 4 hybrid. When you've been driving in purely electric and go to the V6 the car discourages you from accelerating up the revs straight away. You can but like you say I almost never do as it can't be good for the engine components.
@TheTsAndre
@TheTsAndre 3 года назад
I've been driving in some of these new Hybrids that have this full eletric mode which is great however theres one little thing that really tingles my mechanical sympathy. The combustion engine only helps when you really want to step on it, but if you do the engine suddenly starts completly cold from 0 rpm to a very high rpm and demanding regime, can't this be damaging to the engine overtime? Or what have they engineered so these engines are made to rev high from the start?
@user-jt1jv8vl9r
@user-jt1jv8vl9r 3 года назад
This is why a hybrid is flawed.
@hpman911
@hpman911 3 года назад
I’m certain the boffins of a company like Porsche have researched and developed engineering solutions for what is basically a pretty fundamental question!
@arjanpetersen
@arjanpetersen 3 года назад
No
@arjanpetersen
@arjanpetersen 3 года назад
@@user-jt1jv8vl9r nope.... you mean to say... you are flawed.
@craigsommerville2300
@craigsommerville2300 3 года назад
You looked like a naughty boy when you did that launch Harry 😄
@KatDrivtx7
@KatDrivtx7 3 года назад
Porsche de fou.... Merci Harry's pour le partage ;)
@ScottZ370
@ScottZ370 3 года назад
I'm sure Porsche has thought it through but does the engine technically go from cold/freshly started to being required at 85mph if it's default is electric only?
@edc1569
@edc1569 3 года назад
sure, like every other PHEV, same deal with a 2015 Golf GTE, thing is over the life time of the car the engine still has an easier life, no idling - minimal low output operation. Of course if you're going to gun it, then get the engine running a bit before and give it an easier time.
@davewilshere
@davewilshere 3 года назад
Exactly what I was about to type. As someone who used the oil temp gauge on my GTI Golf MK1 as a reference and not the water temp gauge. You can get in this, drive far enough to forget the ic engine is cold and suddenly decide to be a hooligan and light up the poor petrol engine to 6k plus. Just another way car manufacturers will reduce rage life of our cars...like 30k first oil change on my Transit Sport...Nooo changed the oil at 6,000 and every 10 since.
@billandyeng
@billandyeng 3 года назад
Porsche PHEVs would always start the engine if ambient temperature is below 0 C. In addition, when the engine first kicks in, it will keep running until it's in the normal operating window. In effect, unless you always start the engine with very hard acceleration, it's not that different to normal cold start.
@AdamDUrso
@AdamDUrso 3 года назад
@@davewilshere I imagine the engine is warmed through though when it's gunning it - there are heat exchangers between the batteries and the engine oil/coolant - so it's not going flat out from totally cold as it were. Plus I'm sure the engine has been engineered with the particular usage profile in mind!
@Fondmental
@Fondmental 3 года назад
Thought exact the same thing when Harry floored it. But I think is up to the driver to control the driving mode and put some heat to engine in the first few miles. Otherwise would be just too violent for a cold engine to be reved like that.
@akik1985
@akik1985 3 года назад
I live in cold Scandinavia and I have always wondered what happens with these hybrids in the following situation: It’s 30 degrees minus. I drive the first let’s say 30 miles to the motorway and the battery is now empty. Now I need to overtake someone. Will it run the cold engine to it’s max and eventually break the engine or do the pre-heat the engine to a safe point or will it prevent me from getting the full power?
@jimbofaulty
@jimbofaulty 3 года назад
Something I've always wondered.
@starald
@starald 3 года назад
Thinking the exact same.. Even just waking up an ice cold engine for that quick squirt up the hill is murder on the engine if there is no system bringing the engine up to temperature when setting off in pure electric.
@hpman911
@hpman911 3 года назад
@@starald I really can’t believe that with the engineering integrity of a company like Porsche this basic question has not been researched and therefore been solved accordingly!
@schmoestudy
@schmoestudy 3 года назад
Wondering the answer to this question too. From what I understand, there is always reserve in the battery to help with battery longevity but also full acceleration. The EV motor and heat pump help get the engine part to the proper RPM fast but I wonder how well the engine reacts
@jnathanj883
@jnathanj883 3 года назад
@@hpman911 : See "IMS Bearing troubles". German, not perfect.
@Friso89
@Friso89 3 года назад
I’ve noticed something on the specsheet Harry. This particular car doesn’t have the Sport exhaust with the valves (PSE). It only has the sport (look) tailpipes. That’s probably why it didn’t sound as sporty as it should... your video proves that selecting PSE is a must for this car.
@paulghosal6736
@paulghosal6736 3 года назад
Another great video Harry. I used to love the Panamera and always thought I'd have one, but lately, the more I look at them the more I think they look ungainly and just a bit too big. Agree however, that the Panamera is the better everyday choice vs Taycan
@EmeyeP
@EmeyeP 3 года назад
No exactly a looker is it? And I don't remember seeing a car that makes 21" tyres look so tiny!
@Punisher9419
@Punisher9419 3 года назад
That curb weight though, 2300kg's is mental. One question about all hybrids that just came to mind. When you are driving in electric mode and switch to the engine on won't the engine be cold and not lubricated fully yet, so won't the engine wear and possibly a head gasket failure if you drive spiritedly straight away? Normally when you have an ICE engine you let it idle for a little bit and then drive like normal, you let the engine coolant come up to temperature and then you can give it the beans. That doesn't seem to be the case with hybrid vehicles because you can be driving and then the engine turns on and you rev the snot out of it. Or have the engineers thought of this and lubricate and warm the engine before it even turns on?
@lukestocks4370
@lukestocks4370 3 года назад
Fantastic video
@hindmonk
@hindmonk 3 года назад
Great video again as always Harry.. I've got a 2019 Merc C43 AMG Estate.... also 3ltr Bi-Turbo. Sports exhaust sounds AMAZING!! How come AMG can do noise but others can't??
@peteringham8820
@peteringham8820 3 года назад
Hi Harry , so when you have been driving in electric mode and need full power , is the engine cold ? If so how can this be any good for the engine ?
@ciaranwebb6871
@ciaranwebb6871 3 года назад
Hi, I’ve got a Merc plug in hybrid and I’ve gunned it a few times before warm, but I wouldn’t make a habit of it. It does get an oil change ever 10k though. Done nearly 100k without issue which really shocked me.
@peteringham8820
@peteringham8820 3 года назад
@@ciaranwebb6871 Hi thanks for the reply , I've often wondered this as I have an SLK55 weekend car with an oil temp read out. The water heats up quite quickly but the oil takes considerably longer. AMG say that you should not use full power if the oil is still cold. Food for thought isn't it ?
@davidmatthews3093
@davidmatthews3093 3 года назад
I’m not sure I like the idea of setting off under then bringing in a cold ICE somewhere down the road. Does it have any software to cope with that problem?
@TheMentalblockrock
@TheMentalblockrock 3 года назад
Just what I was thinking! Cold engine and max revs up the hill will not make for a long engine life!
@hpman911
@hpman911 3 года назад
Can’t believe Porsche haven’t thought that question through as it’s pretty fundamental.
@SS8000cars
@SS8000cars 3 года назад
Worth mentioning Harry that another advantage of the Porsche system is that you can charge on the move and fairly quickly, on motorways is the most efficient and fastest way. It does affect the fuel consumption in Sports Plus whilst charging but again allows you flexibility if on a longer journey.
@philipprosapio2295
@philipprosapio2295 2 года назад
Great video. I just ordered that exact car in blue here in Minnesota. We get very cold and have very few charging options except at home. I have a 2018 Panamera 4e hybrid to sell/trade in and often times can go a thousand miles on a tank of gas because I live only 6 miles from work. But, as you noted, I can use this type car for long distance without range anxiety. Seriously considered a Taycan but, our electric charging infrastructure just isn’t there yet. Phil Little Falls, MN
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