+Old Cameras i would say all cameras have pros and cons, just pick the one with the pros that favors your liking and with a cons that is bearable to you. also consider the lenses and accessories. camera bodies changes from time to time, lenses stays with you forever. in my personal liking, i tend to go to M43 cameras. the lens base is a big factor for me.
I think Chelsea said it best at the beginning of the video, it's about finding a camera that you actually like to use. Image quality from modern cameras is comparable whether it's a micro 4/3 sensor or aps-c, 16 megapixel or 24. I think the feel, ergonomics, and camera system as a whole is a far greater piece of the equation than absolute image quality.
+Sherman Shen Yeah, we really wanted to emphasize usability for this class of camera. We talk to so many beginning photographers who stop using their cameras because they're too big, or too complex. And every Fuji & Sony user will tell you that you just need to study the manual and practice with it and watch tutorials, but in the real world, people expect it to be as simple as their smartphone. The Olympus line is really the master of that, without limiting those who want to be more serious.
+Justin Eckert I've gotten used to Fuji's mess of a layout in terms of dials and buttons... but I think Sony, Panasonic, and Olympus have a layout that even a five year old can make full use of. With Fuji... it takes a rather unnecessarily long time to get used to the system. I've swapped from one system to another, and I have to say... Fuji got ergonomics in a wrong way. its like I'm better off at aperture priority with exposure compensation all the time.
+Tumble Butt / Styx on Fire like what, Manual controls? please explain what is So hard to navigate on the Fuji, compared to an Olympus camera? In fact, the Fuji menu is closer to a Panasonic menu, so how is it hard to navigate? And besides, the Q menu is a breeze as well!
+Tumble Butt / Styx on Fire Oh, and you mention Ergonomics?? you need Two Hands to turn on an Olympus camera, because the EM1/EM10 have the on switch on the left side of the body! Do you even HAVE a Fuji??
Great video. I own a fujifilm X-T1 and yesterday I bought the X-T10 as a second or backup camera :) Coming from DSLR Nikon,.... I love everything about Fuji :)
I bought the A6000 with the kit lens, Sigma 30mm f/2.8 and the Sony 50mm f/1.8 and I love it. The quality of the pictures is amazing! The E-M5II is a great choice as well, with a lot of features, but too expensive, unfortunately.
Hi Tony, I'm confused! In the X-T10 Training Tutorial you said that it was your favorite of the small mirrorless cameras. In this video, you pick the E-M5 II over it. Did I miss something? Do you have a new favorite?
No mention that the Sony has bigger sensor and higher megapixel count? In daylight it allows for more cropping options and in low light with an OSS lens the bigger sensor gets more light.
+Ran Bar-Levi Those were definitely factors in the comparison; we pointed out that the Sony & Fuji had lower noise at the same ISOs, and that's because of their larger sensor. Did you notice the extra sharpness from the Sony's 24-megapixel sensor? Neither did we. In fact, we never have, because the native E-mount lenses just aren't sharp enough to take advantage of it. Go through this page and check the P-MPix for each lens: www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Sony/A6000---Lenses-tested I found one at 15 P-MPix and one at 16 P-Mpix... and most people never use those sharper lenses. The lenses most people use have less than 10 P-Mpix of detail. Check out the actual perceived detail for MFT lenses (on a 16 MP body): www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Olympus/OM-D-E-M1---Lenses-tested You'll see they generally show similar amounts of detail, even though they have fewer megapixels. Anyway, you probably know I'm a fan of high megapixel counts, but the reality is that most APS-C lenses just aren't sharp enough to take advantage of 24 megapixels, and that's why this test didn't show any real-world benefit to the 24 megapixel sensor.
+Tony Northrup I am no expert but I bought the a6000 based on your review and I am totally happy with the sharpness on my 50mm f1.8 prime. there will always be a better newer camera the next day.
+Phiniox Glade The Fuji X-T10 essentially is a X-T1 without weather sealing, smaller buffer and no UHS-II SD support. It has the same AF-system (actually, the X-T1 only could compete with the X-T10s AF after the now famous firmware update 4.0), the same sensor and even the same EVF - but with lower magnification (0.62x instead of 0.77x) One guy stated the difference as follows: "The X-T10 is 90% of the X-T1 for 63% of the price."
great video, some out of focus segments but no worse that having a couple of drinks before watching :-) I really enjoy the info in this style of videos, they are more real world with still plenty of technical detail and having you Chelsea always ready to add a little fun to Tony's technical side is always welcomed.
Love the reviews guys but the A6000 was still the winner for me. I actually purchased it based on your reviews which are excellent so thank you for helping me with the final decision. The reason i say that, is that now i carry the A6000 with my Nikon D610 and have found a great medium. The Olympus EM5 ? yes love it but i just find that Fuji and Olympus are trying to catch up with SONY. The A6000 is not a retro look, but the power behind it is awesome. With the Retro look i agree with Chelsea its a cool look and both the Olympus and Fuji are relying heavily on the looks, but the Sony to me is the beast for me. So another great review you two and great footage from the camera guy keep them coming PS your books are good as well helped me a lot. All the best from the UK
Thanks for the video folks. Can I just have my two penneth? I don't think for one moment that you are suggesting the only reason to buy a Fujifilm camera is the experience of shooting with one. But how many times have you heard a reviewer say how much they enjoyed the experience of shooting with a particular camera? This leads me to think that even if the experience WAS the only reason to go with a Fuji then it is still a very good and valid reason rather than something to be mildly scoffed at. And. Erm. Yes. Yes I shoot with an X-T1. More for the Fuji colours and tones but also for the joy of shooting with one. As quirky as the cameras are in some ways, in my book you can't beat the colours and the tones. I think that the overall image quality is better than its rivals too. Thanks again.
+Philip Foster They are not Fuji fans saw a so called review they did of the XT-1 v an Olympus was one if the worst attempts ever of trying to put a camera down (the XT-)1 by acting as thou he could not use it and tumbling around I think they get kickbacks from Olympus so after that I never took anything they say seriously again
+Prometheus I saw that review. I'm not sure they did it on purpose, although I had a hard time believing that anybody "not at all new to photography" could use a camera as "inefficiently" as Tony did with the X-T1. It for sure wasn't fair, putting up a camera he didn't even bother to switch on once before the review against a camera he knew very well - and as he stated - loved very much. At least not if the question is: "Which camera is easier for me to use...?"
Well i think everyone of that cameras are great. But for me and maybe for others the Fuji is a bit pricey and the lens also. Sony it's much cheaper and provides same quality image.
I've found that the sony a6000 with manual focus prime lenses is absolutely awesome. While I'm not as quick to capture a moment, I'm getting more and more confident with each lens when going manual focus. Settings I currently use on the A6000 with Shutter Priority and manual focus lenses: C2 whitebalance, back panel wheel for exposure compensation (while in auto-iso), top right dial for shutter speed, AEL for focus magnify, + aperture change on the lenses = fast and pleasurable shooting experience. Suddenly, everything is quick to change and I'm not menu diving. For the price, I'm now with an aps-c mirrorless body with the sony specs and sensor + 2 primes + kit lens for under AU1000. Not only that, but the cost of the A7 body in Australia makes it a very hard choice to go the fuji and the olympus due to the Sony rebate, meaning that it's approximately the same cost to get an A7 + FE 28-70 kit lens as it is to get a Fuji XT-10 + XF 18-55, and Oly OMD em5mk2 + kit lens. That then means that the Fuji kit is hard to pick because the lenses are more expensive, and also larger, compared to the Oly. Oly would be good too, but for the terrible battery life, in which case for the same cost is going to net a FF mirrorless, at the compromise of size. /end mirrorless verbal diarrhoea
If the original a7 is still available it's a much better option than the a6000. I own both and that extra cost gets you a ton found on the OMD and Fuji. BTW fuck our dollar :(
+Wayne Summers it all opinion but I'm referring to general build (mostly metal), bigger more detailed EVF, dr, noise, physical controls, balance with larger lenses and the optional battery grip. I really like the a6000 but it needs more dials and could do with an EVF with a faster refresh. Still really good for the price.
Just one thing I noticed that shows, that the Fujis are not your main cameras: Put the shutter speed dial in T and then you can control the shutter speed in 1/3 stops from 1/32000 to 30 seconds (similar to any camera). And no aperture ring on a tiny pancake? Come on...
+Wu1ff1 I know you can use the soft dial instead of the shutter speed dial--my point was that the shutter speed dial isn't all that functional because it doesn't completely replace the use of the soft dial. Instead, you have to use it in coordination with the soft dial... thus making it unnecessarily complex. Re: the aperture ring, it wasn't specifically about the pancake lens. I only find it useful on the handful of lenses with fixed f/stop numbers where the f/stop is written on the aperture ring. Otherwise, you still have to look at the LCD screen as you turn the aperture ring, which defeats the purpose. On those prime lenses with the proper aperture ring, I think it's great, but most people are using the kit lens which lacks it.
Hi Chelsea and Tony, just know I discovered your channel and now you have a new follower; very good video, you two are so good, Thanks for the video! Chelsea you are a goodness!
You guys are great! I like the way you review handling and real-world usability, lens options, and not so much the deep tech-details in this video. Nice!
The first time I saw one of these videos I was a little apprehensive...i'm still not sure why. But that was a while back. I've been looking hard at the Oly e-m5 II. When I came across this one and found this to be a lot of fun and a great review. Thanks for your work on RU-vid. Cheers!
+peterzpictstube Also great point on the controls and feel of the A6000, I have always thought it felt more like a throw away point and shoot than a serious camera.
I've used E-M10 and X-T10. From my perspective: image quality was much better on Fuji, especially on higher ISO. Can't beat physics. AF was more precise and predictable on x-t10, missed less shots. I had more fun using the Fuji and found the controls great. I could get cheaper and smaller lenses for e-m10 and with the IBIS even old lenses were stabilized. I liked the Fuji colors better on jpegs. The E-M10 touch screen was great. Unfortunately the E-M10 was quite heavy, kinda loosing the advantage of a smaller sensor. Those bright Fuji lenses...OMG. Overal i stay with Fuji, but understand why would someone go with m43.
When think of full frame sensor size. Own the 7000nikon, m5 olympus first version, a6000, 5100 nikon, nex-3. The bigger sensor seems to makes a big difference in my pictures without a doubt. Detail wise. If you take the same picture the sensors have to take all that same information. But on the smaller sensors have push it on 30% roughly smaller area.
My a6000 had the top dial stop working twice. After the warranty I dropped Sony like a hot potato. Watching this video again now I would go for the em5.
The EM5 II is a lot more expensive than the others. I have the older EM5 Mk 1 Touch screen - really useful once you're used to it. I'd say I'm using it more now. Stabilisation - wow! I'm no longer thinking about camera shake, but finding that for moving subjects I need to shoot at 1/200 or so. Olympus use contrast detect focus on the EM5. The Fuji XT-1 (comparable price to the EM5 Mk II) has some phase detect focus ability. Does the XT-10? Olympus' focus is fast, but can miss on moving targets when using wide aperture. Fuji and Olympus both have some lovely lenses.
Nailed it again, you folks are on a roll, providing the most important information concisely and reliably. I wonder about the compression & bokeh difference of micro 4/3's vs APSC. The 60mm Sigma f/2.8 lens for example acts like a 90mm on the Sony & Fuji but like a 100mm on the Olympus (actually I'm not sure it comes in Fuji mount...). Probably the difference is not very noticeable but you tell us!
in my case I am more than happy with a6000, I only shoot in raw and use Lightroom. I don’t like JPEG cuz I like to use post. And the other reason is the abundance of manual adapters. I like to shot on manual so I buy many vintage lenses. So easy to get beautiful shots for low money.
Subscribed just because Chelsea asked for 😎. Here is my thoughts, each time i watch video like this i see the commenters says the sony is great while the reviewer says something different! However, Im still haven't decided yet!
The Samsung NX500 and Lumix G7 should have been included. They seem like much better deals than the Fuji and the Olympus, although I can see the Olympus saving you money in the long run thanks to not needing OIS. The G7 is basically a GH4 in a plastic body. It deserves more than just a mention for video features. The NX500 has better image quality than any of these, shoots 4K, and only costs $650 with a kit lens at the moment.
Pssst. Panasonic GX-8 - Articluating screen, IBIS, rotating viewfinder, 4k video, microphone jack. The DFD gives good action focusing. For some reason Panasonic gets ignored for stills, but the GH4 is great for shooting moving subjects to and topped the Camera Stores action tests for mirrorless cameras, even beating a Nikon DSLR...
Pretty sure like 1 or 2 lenses of the Fuji system don't have an aperture ring. Not that much of an issue I don't think. Honestly the em5 II seems like a good option, if you don't care about depth of field. Shooting portraits on that thing would be annoying due to even less compression and depth.
Speaking of the "quirky" Fujis. One thing you didn't mention at all is the total "quirkyness" of setting the exposure compensation on most non-Fuji cameras....
Hi guys, thanks for the nice video review! I am an amateur photographer, who is planning on moving from a point and shoot / smartphones to a decent camera. I mainly do landscape photos and portrait photos as my wife and I are travelling at the moment, selfies and some street photos. We maybe doing some videos in the future. I'd like your opinions if you were to choose between the Olympus E-M5 II vs Sony A6300 vs Panasonic GX8? Many thanks!
Great info. All of the micro 4/3 cameras out there and my proclivity for wanting to take landscapes in all levels of light, have made selecting one a chore. I appreciate all the hard work that you two have done to clear the air on the various features. I feel that the SONY a6000 is pretty nifty with its larger sensor and the video speed but the lens selection is fairly high dollar for what you get. Do you have any current (July 2016) recomendations on either 4/3 format or APS-C sensor sized cameras out there/ Also the backlit sensors sound interesting for what I am mostly interested in (landscape & Nature). What is your opinion?
Have similar question so bumping this. Looking at: 4/3: Olympus E-M10 II & Panasonic GX85 (80 in Europe) APS-C: Fuji X-T10 & Canon EOS M3 Surprised by the Canon: not many lens -- and mostly slow, but all get good reviews and reasonable. Good image quality at lower ISO's, then the other cameras better. Olympus probably best value at the moment from what I've read (imaging-resource, dpreview). But havent been able to actually try any of them :-(
First, I have to say, I love what your are doing, I learn so much watching your video, and reading yours books. Know, I love the Sony and the Fujifilm, in fact I have tested the sony for a while and now I own the X-T1. I'm not a Fuji fanatic but I really do love them and I just want to point out that lightroom is really not great for fuji raw files so I don't know if it's really fair to compare image quality in it. About Jpeg, to my eye, fuji is better...when you setup your camera right ! About that, I think it is the most important thing ! Learning how to use your camera, and then, it become the best camera for you... Last thing, English is not my first langage so I apologize for the mistake I may have done. Byyye, Hope you'll keep doing the great work you do (even if people like me have something to say about it :) ) PS: Who am I killing, I am becoming a fuji fanatic (but not a mean one )
Great to see mid-range videos. I feel quite cheap and miserable watching all these $3000k camera reviews. Not that I can't afford it, it just doesn't make any sense to buy top-notch gear for amateur users like me. I do love the 5DS, the 810 and the A7RII, and if I were a wedding tog, or Chase Jarvis, or if I had an afro, I would have a pack of them all, but having a car worth of money resting on the bookshelf is just an overkill. Long story short: more please.
I do not understand the comment about IBIS only being good for still subjects. This is the first time I have ever heard that and I have never noticed anything strange with the EM-1 and moving subjects. Now I need to go out do some testing!
+Tim McBroome Well, for moving subjects you need to use a faster shutter speed, anyway. It's not that IBIS would hurt, it's just that it's not much helping.
+Tony Northrup THe other IBIS modes help when panning...they have vertical or horizontal IBIS modes, so you can capture moving objects w/blur. I know you were talking in general terms, but worth noting. Live composite is also unique to Olympus and a very cool/fun feature. Good overall basic comparison though.
Sony A6000 is best deal out there, and "coolest" looking one. Not a big fan of retro dials, especially non functioning ones like on Fuji. Even my film camera doesn't have any dials, Minolta Maxxum 7000. For $1,050.00 you can get A6000 and 3 Sigma primes 19mm/30mm/60mm f2.8 Fuji with better kit lens(18-55) is about same price $1,099.00, and Olympus is $999.00 for body only.
I was going to mention that, if 2 of them are 200% more expensive than the 3rd one and there is no clear winner in the tests, just go with the cheapest, the sony is in another league.
+Khotta Bogard I get the retro looks of the other cameras but hey I can load my tamron 150-600 onto my a6000 a massive bonus....and it wasn't mentioned the a6000 can be set up with my iPhone for remote operation....Sony are genius at this price point. I agree with the sky noise point. it has always requied adjustment on a6000 a77 a77ii and a99 at times I shoot raw most of the time.......although noise wasn't a problem on my a55....perhaps I wasn't as fussy back then and it was leaps and bounds over the the canon 350D/rebel i used before...I switched to sony...
+Khotta Bogard It's about the lenses and then suddenly the choice is not so obvious. Sony line up is getting better, but it's not a match for Fuji and the Olympus lineup imo.
Cenot4ph that's true, but which camera would you recommend to somebody who wants a good camera for personal use? With 1k you can get a decent combo with the sony, the other options would be cheap dslrs but since the sony is way over them, it gets difficult to ignore the image and video quality. But for a photographer that has the cash to expand its inventory, that's another deal, i won't even give an opinion since i'm just the type of person i quoted above, hehe.
Philip Price i have been in the chase of a good camera for a couple of years, i haven't got it because i couldn't save the money or i had to use it into something else, i was always watching videos for example nikon 5200 vs canon t4i, stuff like that, but since i saw what the sony could do... At the same price point for the body, i just wowed. I guess that they have enough affordable lenses for amateur usage, after all, i know myself and when i take my first picture all i'm gonna look at, is the image quality, not the $ spent.
I was recently comparing these three cameras as well (except XT1 vs XT10), all had decent image quality. The Fuji XT-1 won me over though. Fujinon XF18-135mm & Fujinon 35mm 1.4 cover a lot of bases. TBH hardly notice the quality difference between my D610 + Tamron 24-70 and the Fuji XT-1 with the 35MM. A6000 - viewfinder looked really 'mushy' after peering through the XT-1 and wasn't a huge fan of the Sony lenses. Also wasn't a fan of the dials. EM5-II - Seemed decent, nothing against it. I just wish the autofocus was better on the Fuji.
another great comparison review telling it like it is, ie learn your camera to get the results you want, since they are all similar. personally always frustrated by ease of use vs iq these days. I do have one small general review request: in the side by side shots, could you bold print the brand names above the camera thumbnails - by the time I figure out which is which you've already moved on! thanks
Awesome video as always! I love the Olympus but my concern is using a 50mm 1.8 or I guess 45 mm 1.8 in Olympus case it can be just too tight to use indoors. I have a 24mm Zeiss for my Sony just because if u want to get a full body shot u definitely need a wide angle so I bought the best one I could find but I feel a 16 mm on the Olympus would have just too much distortions and almost no depth of field. I agree that the touch screen is awesome and the screen and view finder are better on Olympus than Sony. But I felt it took much longer and more work to do a low/hi shot with the flip screen. Please comment back.
Thanks for this video, cuts crap through many other 'fanboy' sites. Looks like a micro four thirds is overall winner! By the way, you both work so well together :-)
I have the a6000 and the prime lens 50mm 1.8. it works great 85mm and 105mm mm. better choice for all round and practical. yes the a mount and the e mount is a pain. the 18mm to 250mm will not work on the a6000 unless getting a $400 adapter. donot get this lens just for the 18mm. its 79 degrees wide at 18mm but get a super wide lens.
need you experties, if you have to choose between Sony A6000 & Fuji X-T10, what would it be and why. All I care is the image quality and sharpness. I don't care on the design, video, buttons, lens selection, and etc. Thank you.
+garylparas If you care about sharpness and image quality, than you care about lens selection. Start by choosing the lens you want to use, then select the best body for that lens. More info at sdp.io/whichcamera.
+Tony Northrup Thank you for the quick response, so I must invest more for an excellent lens than the body. Fuji has a wide lens selection than Sony however they are too expensive. I'll check with the third party lens manufacturer.
you both forgot to say that the Fuji kit lens (18-135) IS stabilized , this would compare it to the other cameras for video, etc. Also you could try it with the 56 or 90 mm lenses, these Fuji lenses are GREAT ( when I tested the 56 and other prime lenses in a camera store ) they give the 85 mm Nikon lens a run for the money (for bokeh performance) and some Fuji primes are $300 range!! as comp. Nikon at $1,200- 4,000 depending on the lens picked. Another good point for Fuji is that, although their lens range is limited they DO have an M_ mount (Leica) adapter which allows some pretty nice lenses to be used on this system, augmenting Fuji's knock-out primes; Sony does have this , albeit through Voightlander's VME close focus adapter , but this is a lot longer than the Fuji one ( cause it is a macro focus system not just an adapter system.)
From my perspective, Sony in the Fuji's body is the best. After looking the test from dpreview, studio scene, for high ISO values I would not take the Olympus. Generally speaking, there are not too many models to choose from, when I set my preferences: HD+ video, non-fixed screen, built-in flash (just put one... I costs nothing), some sort of viewfinder (I hate the sun). And usable high ISO, to make some sense to replace old Canon Eos 600D. And if the price goes above 1000e as for a 6500 - it enters into the territory of 7R and it is whole new world
The Olympus at 4:31 looks worse than a smartphone camera. It's fascinating how much more color the Sony and the Fuji have at 4:23. What's the reason? I assume it's the sensor and not the lens.
Hey Tony, nice review (moved from D800 to an E-M10) ;) - strange question, please forgive me for that: what's the background music starting at 4:00 ? :) Sooo coool ... :) Thanks ! :)
Great video, thank you! Ive been considering the E-M5 ii vs the X-T10 & I was still left with a few questions: How did their auto focus & continuous (burst) shooting compare? I realise they are not ideal for sports/wildlife but for catching pets or running children this is still something I am interested in. The other thing I am considering is that while the Olympus has more lenses available (which are cheaper & dont require image stablisation) is Ive heard that the Fuji lenses are simply better quality. As someone looking to invest in a system in the long term this is a consideration. Id be really interested to hear your thoughts. Also how does the in camera stablisation compare to in lens stablisation? I would really love to see straight up reviews of both the X-T10 & the E-M5 ii that were more in depth & looked at some of these things & gave more info on the interface (not sure thats the right word) especially the Fuji quirks mentioned. Thanks again, I love your channel & really appreciate all the information you give :)
