XeoLeo Vs Fellow Ode Vs Wilfa Uniform: A Grinder Comparison 

"nothing too complicated" (takes out electron microscope...)

I got myself a used wilfa svart after you recommended it. I have a morning routine making my coffee now, and it's much more comfortable than using a hand grinder. Thank you!

Anyone want to see these reviews from James? - wdt tools: londonium stirrer vs duomo vs paperclip - porcelain cup comparison: loveramics vs acme vs other - mixing tea with coffee: like earl grey extraxtion with espresso (i find it to be nice and interesting)

Im very familiar with Ghost burrs / Fuji royal, they shine at coarser grind settings comparatively to regular flat burrs. Im drinking a very light roasted Kenyan (lighter than SqMile) and its delicious. Think batch brew grind settings in the Clever Dripper with a 4 min steep and 1:00 to 1:30 drawdown its freakin delicious / beats V60 everytime.

Would've loved to see the Baratza Vario with steel burrs in this comparison

I had a lavender latte recently- and I quite liked it considering how much I like lavender! I'd be interested to see your take on it- your recipe design videos are some of my faves!

When will you do a review of the Ode with the Ode Gen 2 Brew Burrs and SSP Burrs. I'm an Ode owner and wish it was able to grind properly for espresso.

I haven't used XeoLeo, but looks a lot like my Fuji Royal 220 which also has Ghost Teeth burr option. I also like to see the comparison with popular Japanese grinders like Fuji Royal 220, Kalita Next G. Kalita Nice Cut if possible.

The XeoLeo appears to be a copy (counterfeit? Ripoff?) of a Jericho KH-100 home grinder. An internet image search can confirm this. Also, there is one for sale right now on Ebay. Regarding the interlocking burrs, I have seen them for years on commercial bulk grinders from Grindmaster. We referred to them as peanut burrs; I don't know the origin of that term but the Grindmaster folks never corrected us for calling them that. I never had to replace a worn out or dull set; the motors would go out before the burrs did. It usually took about 8 to 10 years of retail store use for that to happen.

the ode dial being set to finest setting in every video you see. what we're they thinking by limiting its usefulness to 1 of the 31 settings.

Wilfa Svart vs Xeoleo could be great. I will be also doing this test in like 1/2 hours (i have cheaper version of Xeoleo, 150W instead 200W like yours and my brother have silvewr Wilfa) and I wonder if result of our test will be same as yours and which cheap grinder is better because i think electric Xeoleo could be a little bit a game changer because right now for low cost we have only Encore and Svart. And also i wonder how flat burrs will work in Xeoleo and if it can make good enough grind for espresso

Am I the only one who thinks that the XeoLeo looks like it was designed by Dyson? :D

what about compare to niche ?

i do need a grinder would be nice

I litterally thought, how the hell would he know it's 500 microns wide, then he pulls out a ruler. Lesson: never question James Hoffmann

James has captured the zeitgeist with his channel this year. So many people stuck at home and need their coffee fix and therefore home brewing.

I’m dreaming of being in the position one day to cup different grinders.

All of us asking James to review grinders like a crowd asking a DJ to play their favourite songs at a club or party🤣

Have just realised that James taste testing the world's darkest roasted coffees would likely produce the single largest collection of "ohh....nooo!" moments in any video, ever!

Would love to know how the Uniform and Ode stack up against the Commandante in terms of what's in the cup. They're a pretty similar price, so if one is willing to do the work of hand grinding, the question is whether it's a better option

I like the fact that he has a very strong sense of ethics, morality, and avoids conflicts of interest. And he follows them strictly. This makes James very trustworthy. I wish every human had these

I’d be interested knowing how the xeoleo compares to the wilfa svart and baratza encore seeing as it’s in the same price range as those grinders.

One of the thing I wanna see in your review is “How is the wilfa or ode against a manual grinder like comandante, or maybe a kinu with pour over burr set?”

The Wilfa remains, undisputedly, 3x faster than my hand grinding speed 🤣 (Hario Skerton)

Fuji Royal R-220 mill from Japan, It's the original ghost teeth, not the copy from Ali Express...

Me: **Cries in Baratza Encore**

Wouldn't be a James Hoffmann video if he didn't give us super specific details about stuff he himself deems meaningless 😂 I really enjoyed this video. I'm dying for the Ode grinder but I keep hearing to hold off just a bit. Great video again James 👍

I always forget how huge James‘ channel actually is.

Oh just casual magic at 3:54 with the vanishing metal cup.

Blind taste test! Yes.. thank you James (that made me disproportionally happy, which shows how sad my life now is..)

I’d like to see a tiered list of grinders. I hate saying “buyers guide” but that’s the closest example I can come up with. More so to illustrate “here’s the 4/5 most popular grinders in each price range, here’s why you might pick one over the other” for 2021. Doesn’t have to be a review of 30 different grinders, as you can just reference to previous videos for that, but rather some quick thoughts on each one-impressions.

I can still see the Lagom in the background there, Mr. Hoffmann. A review would appease the masses. EDIT: 25.01.2021, it happened! Thanks for yet another great review.

When it comes to ghost teeth grinder, I think the best ghost teeth grinder is Fuji Royal RX-220. Maybe you could give it a try!

Thanks, now I’m waiting for Ultra vs Lagom vs EG-1

I must say how good it makes me feel to see the condition of the Wilfa grindr. It looks dinged smudgeed and dusted with loose grinds. When I watch these videos and my own equipment doesn't look quite as pristine, I wonder if I'm not doing enough to brush clean and tidy up. That grinder looks like it is being used by a real human being in the real world.

9:18 "there's no more granular information about the distribution" nice

The XeoLeo also comes with flat grinders. Would be interesting to see whether it improves with a more standard grinder type.

I'd like to see you dig more into the grind distribution of the ground coffee, look at why one tastes more bitter than the other two, my conjecture would be that the cheaper one ether has a wider distribution or leans toward larger pieces in each bracket. you seemed to think a more uniform grind might produce a subjectively better cup. it does make me wonder though if uniformity is the goal, if you had perfectly uniform grounds down to the micron how would it taste, would it taste flat and dull or be brilliant, would you be removing bad-tasting variances or complexity? and if so? could you blend, specific micron grinds together to produce different flavour profiles

That XeoLeo looks like a tiny EK43

I'm here for the commenter whom will spot a new apparatus in the background.

Not to draw conclusion from a single test, but it is interesting that the worst tasting cup came from the grinder that produced the most difference between the fines and the boulders. This is especially interesting given that the XeoLeo produced more grounds (by percentage) within the middle range than the Fellow Ode did. I wonder if the fines and boulders produced by the better grinders are in a specific ratio that balances the over-extraction done to the fines and under-extraction done to the boulders. If this is true, it would be interesting to figure out the best ratio for this. I would love to see a video exploring this in the most detail that is feasible for a youtube video.

what i'm learning from james' channel is that the more money you invest in your gear, the more you understand coffee in its truest form. talk about a hobby i can't afford lmao

XeoLeo looks like a cheap Chinese knock-off of Kaita Nice Cut Mill available only in Japan with 100V AC power. Newer model, Next-G, has anti-static function which supposedly works really well. I think Kalita Next-G is the best option if you are in Japan- I'm sad that I don't have any space in my tiny kitchen for it...

To get the genuine performance for “ghost teeth” burr, please get a Fuji Royal.

"reasonably hilarious" is my new go-to descriptor of humor

Curious how the XeoLeo compares to the Encore, then. If it's punching above its division, how does it do with something of comparable price?

The Xeoleo grinder looks like a knockoff of a Fuji Royal R-220 grinder.

At this point I feel like every grinder video out there is an involuntary advertisement for the Niche Zero lol!

James: Compare the Wilfa Uniform to a manual grinder like the Comandante C40 using the same metrics (time, grind uniformity, taste). I drink 1 cup of coffee per day and an electric machine never seems to make much sense. But am I sacrificing taste by choosing to grind manually?

What’s your thoughts of Sage’s grinders? As one of the biggest/well known/accessible coffee appliance brands it would be great to see something on Sage products

Please could you review the Eureka crono 🙏 or any of the Eureka grinders please

Boy, never got to see a video this quick! I'm a huge fan of yours. I've been binge watching all of your content, and I can't remember the last time I've enjoyed a single channel that much. You always excel at giving us a lot of info and awesome b rolls! I'm a fan of your honesty and compromise with your viewers. Keep up the outstanding work, One of your fans from Brazil.

I've always been curious about your opinion on Turkish coffee. Something worth talking about in future?

This has honestly gotten me curious about burrs in general! I'd love to see something like an in-depth look at what all variations are out there, how they're shaped and why, etc. Not something as easily attainable, though, I'd imagine? Can you just order burrs separate from a grinder? In any case, this was an interesting comparison.

Waiting for the high end grinder comparison. Some of the stuff in the background is teasing us.

He finally mentioned Turkish coffee, hopefully he will make one in the near future

I just bought an Orphan Apex grinder, which is a ghost burr set painstakingly engineered into a hand-driven grinder. I'm a big fan of Orphan's designs and hand grinders in general and so far it makes better brewed coffee than anything else I've tried at home. I'd LOVE to see more investigation of ghost burrs, their properties and comparisons between different ghost burr grinders.

Don't throw away the fines use em as toppings for dessert

6:15. that's hilarious. It goes 6:15 go 6:28. 13 seconds ... after which you say "very quick". and your graphic shows 6. Strange maths there. Talk about confirmation bias.

Even though I don't typically have follow up questions, I do really appreciate the prompts you give at the end of each video. I think it's a smart way to communicate with your audience, inviting them to contribute their knowledge whilst acknowledging that you don't have all the answers.

We want to see the bad boys in the background

The one major thing I’ve learnt from the channel is how important good grinders are to good coffee and how bad grinders can make good coffee taste bad. Is that the same for commercial coffee? Should we be looking for coffee shops with better grinding equipment rather than the coffee they offer?

Would like Hoffmann to double check that Xeo Leo from ShenZhen probably a counterfeit of FeiMa 600n or 601n from Taiwan. Ghost Teeth grinder is quite common in HK, Japan and Taiwan but this is my first time hearing XeoLeo.

Wish a Baratza Encore or Virtuoso were included Edit: James explain why! at 10:30 ish

When can we expect the video about the updated Fellow Ode? V1.1 of the burs is out for a while and v2.0 should be out this year. I am looking for a grinder, the Niche is just too expensive with VAT and import duties outside of the UK so it is between the WIlfa and the Ode. The prices are about the same, the WIlfa has beter reviews but I realy like the look of the Ode. So if its is a real good upgrade it is the one I want. Otherwise it will be the Wilfa Uniform.

It would be cool if you could get some other burrs for the XeoLeo, just to see if you can mod it to be a 'better' grinder. It would actually be pretty interesting to get a series, where the focus would be to upgrade a budget friendly grinder in general.

James, I didn’t like the way you did the grinder under 50 review and hope you’d do budget machines again and in a different way. I felt that you spoke about them being very useless. While I agree they won’t compare to your niche zero, in your reviews you should base your expectations on the budget. Of course they can’t compare to the top end but they do bring me down (sad) as I know I can’t afford the more expensive ones. For me, the difference between a $75/100 and $50 is a huge on the pocket. I buy pre ground but I want to now try fresh beans and am looking for a entry level grinder and one of them was on your under 50 review, but your video put me off of them and now scared to get a entry level grinder as you hated the coffee (which means I won’t have good quality coffee)... just my thoughts on your reviews 😊

I've watched like 100 of James videos in the last week, by far the best part of this channel is how I believe that he genuinely hopes I have a great day, every single time.

Maybe give a darker roasted beans a try to see if X really shines as you have assumed here. Interesting to see.

If you go to taiwan/Japan..... Ghost burrs ate everywhere

Fuji Royal: Hold on a minute, James. You've never heard of Me???

Honestly, I wasn't expecting to hear "I bought on Aliexpress" on this channel.

Please please please test the Eureka Mignon machines! They are right in this "budget" price bracket and are tested to be, afaik, absolutely fantastic.

You could compare Grindr to Tinder, i suppose. Not the same, though...

Hi James, have you seen the new hand grinder from orphan espresso? I believe they use the same kind of burrs as the XeoLeo. it seems very interesting.

guess I won't be going to sleep yet

this is not a "xeoleo". This is a generic chinese N600 coffee grinder, xeoleo is just one of the bigger shops that sell them. can find it for like 25$+ 25$ in shipping costs on aliexpress in different shops. its a great grinder for around 50$

OMG! A 'complete' review w/ only one roast? James, we don't drink just 'that one' light roast. How do these grinders perform across several roasts & several brew methods?

I got the Uniform for around 175£ yesterday and I feel quite safe with my purchase now 😎

I've had a Wilfa Uniform for 8 months now, it's the first electric grinder I've owned and I use it to brew filter coffee. 1. Its easy to clean and is not messy at all. 2. The speed is no problem for me as you can do something else for 30 ~45 sec, ie boil water which take 2~3 minutes or prep your V60 paper etc ...! 3. Grind retention is about 0.7~0.8 grams. 4. I have a small kitchen, so it gets put away when not in use, which is easy given its small footprint & cylindrical shape. 5. The refinement in the grind settings is really good. I have come to appreciate this over the last couple of months as my brewing has improved. Thanks to James for the many coffee reviews, tutorials & giveaways during the course of this year.

With a title like that 90% of your viewers will be coffee people, and 10% will be people interested in gay dating apps.

A little surprised to see something purchased from AliExpress without scorn.

Seeing a Knock-Off product(XeoLeo ) on this channel is a shock...

Thanks for another great video, James. I stil happy with my Comandante C40. But I wonder if would be an upgrade in terms of grinding quality and taste when switching to the Uniform or Ode. What would be your recommendation on this?

It seems like the xeoleo has a bunch of different burr options on Ali express. Would have loved to have seen how the same grinder with a flat burr set compared!

Hey James, love your videos! Q. What do you think of the Kruve reference chart? Accurate or a bit off? I thought Turkish was finer then espresso, plus Aeropress 1/2 in and percolator 3/4 in the same range of espresso?? Thanks

I purchased a Uniform a few days ago primarily based on your videos. The one year review was particularly useful. If James Hoffmann can use it for pour over an entire year and still like it, so can I. Very happy with it so far.

Finally! That was awesome thanks James! SSP also do brew burrs for the Uniform and since the no scale version is at the same price/ cheaper than the Ode, I stopped seeing the selling point of the Ode if you don't mind the speed. The Uniform is less messy and has the same auto off feature.

Hey James, my Ode is different from most people I've interacted with. I grind mine around the 5 setting for a ~4 min V60 and can go finer. Makes me wonder if it's a QA/binning issue more than anything.

So what setting do you normally use on the Uniform for your 500ml V60 brews?

Friendly reminder about ultimate Aeropress technique here.

Baratza encore is sick, whomever wins will be a happy barista

I'm super happy James Hoffmann is always doing these kinds of actual comparison/review videos! For some reason it seems that most "review" videos in the coffee industry on RU-vid are actually showcase videos, with no actual review elements present in the video. They can still be nice and informative videos, of course, but I wouldn't call them reviews by any stretch of the imagination. And that's why I always see first if Hoffmann has done a video on any given subject, before I even think about looking around other channels! You can always trust in James to provide actual reviews :) The strangest example was from a major coffee machine channel on YT, where it was 25-30 minutes recorded in the offices of the manufacturer, where the "reviewer" was just reacting positively to the presentation/sales pitch given by the representative of the manufacturer! And it was labeled "Review" in the title and the description. Something in that whole setting just made me feel uncomfortable. Just to clarify, I'm not against showcase videos at all! It's just those moments when the line between showcase and review gets broken that I'm left baffled.

"for a lack of a less pretentious term" 🤣🤣

“Reasonable hilarious pun” is such a James thing to say

I'd have liked to see the Xeoleo compared to a similar priced grinder like the Virtuoso, but I get that you're kindly giving away the encores, but still :p

I adore these comparisons just to see how phenomenal James is at blind taste tests. To guess a grinder from a sip of coffee is exceptional. The instant coffee was just as impressive. It gives so much more weight to everything he says.

This is ridiculous. That the burr grinder quality is such an important issue with coffee, and that you have to spend so much money to “properly” grind, I am starting to think that my 28 year old De Longhi chopper is just fine to keep using. And since I don’t have a proper grinder, might as well keep using my mr coffee and any expensive coffee maker is to snobby to brew my inferior coffee grinds…

I’ve been very excited about this!

Ultra vs Lagom vs EG-1 vs Monolith video soon, yes? :D