I was a one eyed Toyota fan for 42 years, owned 9 various models the last one was a 2009 200 series. When I went to update it for a new 200 it was too expensive and lacked value for money compared to the Patrol. Got my new 2020 Patrol 2 months ago and it's the best vehicle I have ever owned and is an absolute bargain. I wasn't that surprised with the fuel economy figures as my average was 16l/100 for the 200 and I am currently getting 13l/100 in my Y62 Patrol.
@@alanbstard4 I should clarify sorry Alan, in Aus we can only get the v8 which is a vk56, overseas they do run a v6 model and I am not sure what motor that is but there is a good chance that is the dirty old Renault motor.
Awesome, well put together comparison guys! I've just bought a Series 5 Y62, all my toyota mates have been giving me crap about how much the petrol will cost me! haha I'll be quite happy sitting around the camp site looking at my black sheep with a bit of change in my pocket!!
I have patrol V8, Abu Dhabi. patrol is power house, its an elephant actually. Desert dune bashing, off road, very long drives, this engine is unbreakable and comfortable. thanks
So the Patrol is cheaper, faster, smoother,quieter, tows better and uses less fuel. The land cruiser has injector and DPF issues, a air box that doesn’t seal, no LSD or rear diff lock and a hopeless Auto when towing, but somehow people think they are better. King of the road is a joke!!!
i'll tell you... iv test driven both cars... and there is absolutely no comparison in terms of driving experience... the noise isolation inside the cabin in the patrol is almost luxury sedan level... the suspension is amazing for this type of car.. you basically feel it gliding on the road...the luxury features and safety options on the 2020 model are top class....and on top of that the car feels more nimble and agile to drive... i get people who love the land cruiser because of its perceived reliability and ruggedness especially in rocky or rough terrains...but those are old perceptions...the patrol can do anything the land does and then some... needless to say I went with the patrol
allnighter2011 yep I bought the patrol too! The cars done 10,000 k’s and I’m using 14l p/100 ! The 200 is overpriced and way less standard stuff on it! Your right people are stick on diesel! But the 300 series will be petrol😂
Jason Mcfarlane no I love my v8s so patrol was on my Wishlist ! No diesels are done my parents have a 12 month old hilux, cars been back 5 times for dpf issues!
That's why my new MY22 Patrol Ti is going to be in my garage in a couple of week. Got it drive away with Tow bar, wiring and Trailer Brake Controller for the same price as the "list" price of the spartan, poverty pack LC300 GX - a no brainer!
I’m not surprised at all,I’ve owned both and there is no comparison when you compare price and power and fuel economy.a few 200 boys will be sooking 😂😂
What literally matters is how much does the fuel cost. Our family owns both SUV's and i'm from the Philippines. Diesel is way more cheaper than Gasoline here. Unlike in your country, so its a win for the 200 series for me!
Lloyd Alcantara fair enough, I wouldI still much prefer to pay a little more for fuel to have a more powerful more off-road capable vehicle which in Australia cost $20,000+ less than the 200 series
@@lloydalcantara938 I suggest you watch this video - who shows it will take approximately 400,000kms of driving before you'll break even with fuel savings driving the 200 series compared to the patrol. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0dXNepN2tEM.html
Wow 😯 Thanks for the video. You’ll never convince a Cruiser guy to accept this test 🤣 So much pride and reputation with those bunch. Even people who has no idea would always chose a cruiser cause they’re “unbreakable” 🤢. I’ll be definitely getting a Y62 as my next tow rig. Now grow money tree!! 🌲 🤣
what a spin out!! I dead set thought patrol would be pushing 30 litres per 100 under those conditions and nat aspirated at altitude! that's turned my diesel world up side down. im excited but also somehow defeated, If someone at the pub told me this i would have called him a Cab. Thank you, Subscribed straight away .
Interesting results, I have a Y62 Patrol and tow a 3.3ton boat on a 3000km round trip 4 times a year. Fuel consumption sits at 22.1/100. All my weights are checked and legal.
Great video guys, honest/ transparent and totally unbiased, best comparison of Toyota/ Patrol I have ever seen. I am now on my 4 th Cruiser but my next tow vehicle has now been confirmed it Will be a Patrol Y62 in the near future. Thanks for all the relevant info.
Great videos Nick! I'm very surprised at the result. But when I think about it, the Land Cruiser drive train is very old now and when I towed a 3t boat with one about 5yrs ago, I was surprised at how poorly the transmission was turned - would not drop into 6th gear unless on the flat, would not keep the revs low and used the torque. The videos are great Nick! I was really looking forward to second one. You've captured amazing scenery too.
Congrats on the effort gone to for this comparison. Gee the cute 200 is a thirsty little nugget! It wouldn't matter how well the Y62 goes, as the Toyota faithful will never consider it cos its not diesel, oh and because there's not 10 million of them on the road... most probably haven't driven a Y62. Some must just like spending LOTS of cash for the Toyo badge. Good job.
Most people like diesel engines, they think there is more power. Not to point this out, but a 4.7L V8 TT diesel used 21.69L/100 and a 5.6L V8 NA tuned petrol used 21.51L/100. The petrol engine is bigger and more power. Next gen land cruiser will be using a V6 TT hybrid petrol engine, diesel fans will need to get use to petrol (unless they all go and buy a full size ute)
@@roystad8916 will you still say that when toyota puts a V6 TT hybrid petrol engine in the land cruiser? I know I will. And also will say, the Y62 patrol's are almost just as reliable, it will get anyone to there destination and home again, just like 200, I hope the next gen to both will be just as good and even better.
How many people got caught out buying the Patrols with the 4cylinder “hand grenade” engines? Most said “never again”. The old 4.2 6 cylinder Nissan Patrol turbo diesels were a Nissan truck engine & driveline & they were what gave Nissan the snowballs chance in hell of competing with 100 series Landcruiser 4.2 turbo diesels. Nissan’s change to the 4cylinder hand Grenade engines just lost them basically their entire Nissan following. It would take a miracle for this new Nissan to wrest back that lost market share now I think. Me, I’ll stick with my F250 7.3 for now, Coz it will pull all 3 of these vehicles backwards through their own exhaust pipes! Heck my wheel nuts take more torque than all 3 of these engines combined can make! 😜😜😂😂👍🇦🇺
@@ianmoone2359 I will agree with you on that, F250 are good utes for offroad and towing. But patrol gone from about 700 sold in 2017, to about 1400 in 2019, which is a big increase. Still will not out do Dodge RAM utes or most utes for that matter, as this is Australia, we invented to ute, and Aussies love their utes... as for me, I want a ute, but it will need an extra row of seats (triple cab), other people as well, so they buy a land cruiser or patrol. The patrol and land cruiser is quite good now, but it will be very interesting to see what the next generation brings. It will be interesting to see if a car manufacturers start making triple cab utes
Great work guys! Definitely did not expect that! Congrats on the videos, very well presented. Full disclosure. I was about to curse when you dropped in the F250. Thank you for not making us wait another week. 👍
Been waiting for this. I have a y62 s4,and Toyota people don't believe you when you tell them your Ltper100. They act so surprised. I'm laughing at them now.
@@johnallen5215 Just got back from Cannonvale QLD 2500KM. First day 1000km 13lt per 100 Second day 1000km 11lt per100. Third day 500km 12lt per100. 95- 105kph GPS speed. 4 passengers & loaded up in the back. If I tow 2.5 van or boat your looking at 19to24lt per 100. Depending on the conditions. I.e. wind. Towing speed 95- 100kph GPS.
@@ACCOD I know a few people with patrol's and others with Land cruiser's. Those with a patrol, have said 10Lt to 13 Lt per 100, just as you get. also have said that they get around 15Lt to 17Lt per 100 when driving in the city, towing goes up to area you said. Local driving at about 13Lt per 100 (give or take a Lt). The land cruiser is often 1 or 2 Lt per 100 higher then the patrol. Do you find the same when doing local driving, to and fro work, etc.?
What is it’s low range usage like? From years of owning cars V8 petrol have always been good on the Hwy / Fwy, but drink like a huge amount off-road in low range. Usually on most longer low range trips the petrol cars have half the range of diesels
I said in 1st video that patrol would be best option but not so much for fuel use but value. Then this come up now that surprised me. Well done in the video.
I have grabbed new Landcruisers for 40 years because they have been very reliable. The last two being 200's. Toyota needs to lift the game as its product is very inferior to many now. I have a 2020 TIL Patrol and fuel consumption was not a concern driving this beluga however I was surprised on a recent country trip and not towing to land 11.5 liters per 100 k on 91 RON at 10 cents a liter cheaper than diesel. Add to this purchase price and other add ons, the Sahara is dead in the water unless you remain a true believer brother.
Please stop telling everyone or Nissan will start charging more! Seriously though great test and proof that a 200 makes no sense at all. Less capable offroad, less performance onroad and economy thats worse than a V8 Petty. Thats without twisting the knife about the 200 reliability issues and $13000 injector swaps to avoid melted pistons that result in a 27 k engine.
Hi Guys. Great vid quite suprised by the fuel consumption on the Nissan . However I would love to see another vid with you guys towing 3500kg trailer up the same road with the same vehicles and would almost be certain that the F-Truck will be the overall winner. Hope you guys are willing to accept the challenge and prove me wrong.
Basically the Cummins in the Ford is of the same engine family as FPT NEF series engines which are almost universally fitted to Case and New Holland mid range tractors. FPT stands for Fiat Powertrains. Cummins and Fiat/Iveco jointly developed these heavy duty engines. They are superb and very well regarded indeed. Good for at least 15,000 hours/500,000 miles between overhauls.
Great test and demonstration of your vans. As an Engineer I'm pedantic. I know this is not a scientific test , good all the same though but the units for torque are Newton-metre (Nm). That's a capital "N" because, like all things in the SI system when a unit is named after a person (i.e. Sir Isaac in this case), it is always capitals. Hope to see an LXV 4.7 in the flesh soon.
Simply proves the land cruiser is overpriced and overrated. Comfort wise the patrol is also more comfortable having fully independent suspension. Toyota gets away with old reputation to charge an arm and a leg for its cars.
Awesome comparison! You've got a new subscriber here! People are starting to wake up to how good these y62's are they hammer along are comfy as and use the same or less fuel than a 200 series and are $20,000 cheaper the amount of ex 200's owners selling up and buying these is insane and for good reason to. Love your work keep it up.
Wonder how good they are with 3T behind them. I use 15-16L/100 with a 2.8L colorado at 110kms/hr on the pacific highway. So these figures are just awful. Oh, and take note of how many vans are actually being towed by Y62's, oh that's right, sweet FA. Cause like all Nissans, they handle like dogs with a heavy ball weight.
You couldn't even compare a Colorado to one of these for starter to and tow 3 ton with a Colorado it's a recipe for disaster. There's thousands of people towing big boats and caravans with the y62's they handle it great and overtake any 200 series up the hills like there parked. Go and test drive one and you'll see.
@@rossatkinson3160 - update!! the towball penalty has been removed from the series 5 and we see a lot more patrols towing vans now......the secrets out.
Can you do a costing on the fuel in each vehicle (and type of fuel ie. Unleaded 91,95, 98 and Diesel Premium etc - Now that would be interesting (great video by the way)
Ahaha, That reaction of the Aussie was pure gold. The numbers to me aren't that surprising since I'm from Canada (That lives in Aus) and I'm used to these numbers. But, that reaction was hilarious!
Great Job guys... I have to say that I've owned both vehicles, and I've seen heaps of comparisons on these 2 rigs over the years. I have to say that this is the most clearly "Unbiased" Head to Head demonstration with this long established rivalry - Landcruiser Vs Patrol. And such great presentation with an entertaining edge - Thank you so much - I'M A FAN!!! BTW, I have a Landcruiser right now, however, have always considered the Nissan better value for money!!!
I had a series 2 Y62 Patrol, my family of 6 did a lap around OZ including the cape, towed a Jayco Expanda 21.64.1 (full height van) 3.2 t loaded. Mods were: Pacemaker Headers, 3inch King Brown stainless exhaust, UNI CHIP DYNO TUNED, Bull bar, winch.. 27 litres per hundred so much room in the Patrol even had the Engel in the boot !! Best car I ever owned..
I've been thinking of changing my exhaust basically since l bought my y62 s4 . But I'm concerned about cabin noise when towing. Did it make any difference to power or fuel economy?
@@ACCOD the noise wasn't too bad in the cabin at all, power wise it made a bit of a difference especially after it was re tuned I had a unichip put on it in Cairns and it wasn't until Darwin when I did all the exhaust upgrades but all in all made a huge difference in power over all. There is a Patrol Y62 page on Facebook such is awesome for ideas and upgrades.
I’m late to the party here, so please excuse - I’ll blame it on RU-vid for not notifying me sooner - but your channel is epic and I’m blown away by the fuel result with the Patrol - and you also make caravans! - The F250s are absolutely awesome and I only wish they were factory fitted for right hand drive as the price after conversion puts them out of reach for mere mortals like myself. I’ve seen one of your other videos where you pull a much bigger caravan comparing the Patrol against Landcruiser with differing result, so maybe there’s a sweet spot for the Patrol in terms of towing capacity and fuel consumption? Anyway, good job! Maybe I’ll come and see you about a spec built caravan with electric motors for additional drive and regen braking with battery pack?
WOW that was unexpected. Thanks for the fair test you done well. Except for the long wait from episode 1 to 2. Any case looking forward to further challenges. FWIW, I reckon my Touareg would do the same journey and use less than 18 L/100km
Like everyone I'm pleasantly surprised with the results. I guess even Patrol owner thought their vehicle was overall better but a little bit thirstier. Also I'd like to see how a 3.0 Audi Q5 with multiple turbos performs, just to know at which point uphill it runs out of gas.
Great content, small thing, when you play your music it is twice as loud as the voices when you are talking to the camera. Be nice if the volumes were equal and the listener didn’t have to go up and down with the volume.
Well well, that result has puffed out my chest as a new S5 Patrol owner. Another reason why the Patrol could be lighter than the LC is the weight of both engines. I would guess the diesel is a fair bit heavier than the petrol. Loving ours.
Wonder of they measure the weight with fuel full, as the land cruiser has the bigger tank, unless the series 5 patrol have a bigger tank in them now I had the series 2
Great review guys. I too was surprised with Nissan fuel consumption.. on seperate top I truly loved the music you added any chance of giving credits here so I can listen elsewhere. Cheers
How sure are you that when you first filled the patrol it was completely full ? I know with mine, it actually has two tanks which are gravity fed. I can fill mine up until it won’t take any more fuel. Stop wait 20-30 mins by that time the top tank has fed through to then 2nd and I can get more into the top tank, sometimes 10-15 litres
@@marianjavorka7712 I have the new Y62 Series 5 (ie face-lift)... zero issues with filing tank (not sure which series LukeC has). 1000km+ per tank. Avg 13.4/100 for the 5,000km (no towing).
Who goes around towing in serious traffic for prolonged periods of time??... I have no doubt the 62 would use more in start stop traffic both laden and unladen compsred to the 200 but I think we can agree that you wouldn't tow in stop start traffic for long enough periods of time to justify the $20k price gap. What this proves is that petrol technology is bridging the gap and that the 200 diesel is a old tech motor. Euro diesels with less cylinders and displacement make the same or more power with much less fuel usage.
It would have been nice to see the purchase price of these 3 vehicles also. Petrol$2/litre diesel $2.40/litre hands down petrol patrol all day everyday..
The Toyota Landcruiser 200 is detuned from factory by quite a bit, it is tuned for the current drive train/comfort/economy. The power output of this twin turbo V8 Diesel engine can theoretically produce a lot more.
Chubbzy Rushby so have you regretted buying it yet,if so why. My father has a 92maverick Nat aspirated dieseldone nearly half million never missed a beat.
I was thinking the same thing... fuel lock in the tank... Not sure how this would effect the fuel use or more importantly how it is measured but somone with better understanding may be able to put that to rest
I can leave my y62 overnight after filling it to the top and next morning get another 15 ltrs in it and then do 400km of hwy driving before the guage comes off full.
and after the test the patrol was never to be seen again after the wiring was shot after all the work it went through, some say you can now find the same material in new dishwashers.😂
Ok those are truly remarkable consumption figures for the Patrol. Other recent tests which have no added tow weight but did involve some offload low range were between 22l and 24l per 100K for the Patrol. On the one test where the 200 series was compared directly the Patrol did 24L and the 200 Series did 18.6l/100K. Maybe the constant throttle towing and then the no throttle descent highlighted the differences in the petrol vs diesel "debate" but yes very surprising for the Patrol. I am a Discovery 4 guy so don't have a vested interest :)
I have been lc fan untill y62 shows up , that for alot in ME killed even the exterior of LC before overall performance y62@400hp is just the way to go , not perfect but alot better than any LC.
Brilliant comparison. When towing heavy loads, doing mountain passes or doing motorways at speed, turbo diesels consume almost the same amount of fuel than a petrol engine. Between my G63 AMG and 290GDT there is only about a 1,5km/l difference when towing......
Maybe the camera was playing a trick on me....but even though there's no unbroken line, at 18:15 I had my heart in my mouth. The camera car overtaking the rig with no vision of what's around that bend!!!???
I have to confess to being shocked by the result of the fuel consumption & onboard comments of power, torque, acceleration, comfort and so on. Hats off too for that amazing Ford. Such a huge, powerful beast & far more frugal than I would have believed. Nissan have really pulled a rabbit out of the hat with their V8 petrol Patrol. Would it be enough to swing me away from my love of lovely turbo diesels? That remains to be seen on what you show us next time. A link to this is off to a mate who love his Nissans, and I reckon he should consider the V8.
My 2017 VX landcruiser has to drive at 106 kph to match 100 kph on the GPS. I presume that it follows that for every 106 km on the odo you have only done 100 km. For accuracy, this should be accounted for when calculating l/100km surely?
OK, this is not a scientific test but as Nick said, the test loop was measured at 108km (presumably GPS measured), and all three vehicles covered the same course. They didn't need to use the Speedometer nor the Odometer of each vehicle for the L/100km calculations, so any errors there are irrelevant. The only error perhaps is if the tanks didn't properly fill "back up to the brim" due to vapour lock etc. So it is OK for a comparative assessment of the fuel consumption and probably acceptable for absolute consumption as well.
Really interesting work, thanks, may I suggest a bit more emphasis on the bottom $ Line $, that's what drives (no pun intended) most people. The very end of the clip where it showed a close up of the fuel bills is whats important. Take into account purchase, running, service, repair, accessory and resale costs and the big picture is revealed.
Yep, one of the reasons NIssan gave up on the Cummins 5.0L V8 Diesel after such a short period in the Marketplace. Unfortunately Cummins designed and built a "dud" of an engine.
In fairness, the L200 is a decade+ old now.. Technology is continuous and need to see what Toyota release next in the LC department.. Nissan, well it’s always been comparable to Toyota (80s - 90s models only) and it also looks good. Happy with either as long as I can lock Both Diffs.!!
Ben jamin I wish that was the case, as an owner of a ‘08 J/LC200, I was informed at the time these vehicles were prototypes since 2000 and sold to NATO/UN in 2006 in basic guise then released in early 2007 to limited areas and full production in late 2007, whereas the Patrol was updated several times from previous models and then released worldwide many tears after its first and early production of 2010 yet once again only to limited areas such as continental US due to its engine being derived from the Trucks whereas the Toyota was newly developed V8 from the Non-turbo V8 from the 70 series. Toyota built this from ground up without bringing the past ventures forward, unlike the Patrol (wasn’t always the case with patrols) production costs and centres of build and markets, namely the US... In a way I would say yes to your comment as being near factual, but there’s concessions within that though... I owned the LC80 from ‘94 until ‘03 which ran a gasoline engine also.
I had a thought. My mate has a 2017 patrol and it never fills up first go apparently there is is a smaller tank that the fuel is slow to get into( equalise). Should go back a bit later and fill it again. Maybe it wasn't full. But I am more convinced that petrol simplicity is better . No turbo, ad blue etc...love the video.
