You Are Being Scammed… 

Damn straight.

Amen to that!

That's really a saying? I'm glad it's going around. I just saw it in another thread and liked how catchy it was.

10000% agreed comrade, not let a corporation get the best of us, my country even pirated alot of things since the 1980s and today due to Sanctions

I first saw that under Louis Rossmann's video and it will always ring true. I feel like it's just a matter of time as gaming gets worse and worse, and more scummy that EU will just introduce at least something that protects the customers further from this ever evolving bs.

how dare they use a 25 cent Slot

Time to sue

It's dangerous having such a sweeping statement, I think it would be detrimental to have the developer on the line for changes they can't always account for.

@@BAGG8BAGGif the company hasn’t shut down, unless I am given my money back, the game should still be there.

If it happens I'll probably not buy XD it won't last.

I mean they are objectively right, you bought a license and agreed with the EULA, so you consented to what ever shenanigans they pull, don’t like it don’t buy it. You can always find a way to pirate it and mod an offline mode/custom servers.

@@Nyver253 like I said, wild. Nice defense though, lick that boot 🤣

I'm absence of religion people have given their love and devotion to CORPORATIONS and BRANDS Shit is wild bro

@@Nyver253 “Don’t like it don’t buy it” Did you miss the part where people liked it and bought it, only for it to be taken away without compensation?

@@Nyver253 A lot of garbage written in EULA's won't hold up in court

It's pretty messed up when companies use the anti-piracy excuse for going online-only. A: It's essentially punishing the paying consumer for the acts of piracy and B: I find a lot of these "online-only" games have some form of microtransactions, or otherwise similarly aggressive monetisation models in place.

I pirate it first if there's no demo, play it for how long it takes to get a feel, delete it, and wait for the price point I feel it's worth. I am morally in the right.

@@jayonnaise6105 definitely. Ultimately it's more of a money thing than a anti-piracy thing. But they want to pretend that it isn't and think that we're dumb enough to buy the excuse

@@kgonepostl that's fair, and I wholeheartedly agree with that. As a dev, if I don't offer a demo, I wouldn't be super upset if someone pirated my game, because in the long run, if my game is good enough, I probably have a customer, and they'll probably spread the word to their friends.

Personally id never pirate an indie game. Theres a difference between downloading a game by a big company like Nintendo or Sony, possibly from years ago, and downloading a pretty obscure indie game that the dev only asks £10 for, and needs that money to stay affloat.

Hotter take: If you buy any game, you should be able to play it forever.

Not that hot

Yeah that’s not a hot take, that’s called common sense

hotter take: how do you plan on running the server

​@@WayStedYou most games don't NEED online to play them~

what games have you worked on? just curious

They prolly have tons of third party dependencies which disallow them from just giving it away to anyone anyway. But yes, the major cause is still greed.

To be fair, if something has been developed as an internal infrastructure-only solution, there's a decent chance that your need a lot of effort to decouple logic from some dependencies an outsider won't be able to fulfill/provide (infrastructure provisioning logic, poorly implemented security, whatever other local idiosyncracy). But yes, they SHOULD be able to do that.

I think one of the main reasons why Ubisoft (and other devs who follow the same idea) is doing this is that it's afraid that, with the number of players who love these games, if made playable offline, would still thrive through some way, especially with modding, and that their new titles would potentially lose those gamers who would've bought said new titles instead if the players aren't still playing their older ones.

​@@bas919With what's happening with Payday, it's a rightful fear. But instead of going out of their way to make a better product, they instead opted to make a deliberately worse product and restrict access to their actually good products. Its all about control.

April 1st. Its here. Almost felt like a joke.

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If I am leasing a game then I should be able to sub lease it to other people.

Exactly. And what about in game purchases? Also a lease?

​@@Viper-yv8twmakes sense that it would be. Or call it "additional lease option" 😂

I would also argue that if they take down the game or servers for any reason, you're entitled to your money back, regardless of how much time you played it because they're essentially recalling the product you paid for.

I 1000% agree, something has to give.

I can agree to this. Make the companies actually have to let you own what you bought even in online or offline shit. I remember I had dragon age origins on my ps3. First game I ever bought dlc for. Dropped 70 to 90 dollars for all the dlc. Come 5 years later. Had corruption happen to my system and had to factory reset, went to start dragon age origins. Had the hard disc but the dlcs I couldn't get back cause the servers were down. So I can't play dragon age origins with all the dlc I paid for ever again, cause they shut it down and made it all on PC. Which still bugs on the dlc shit. So that taught me to never buy online shit again.

Goonna like that we pay for subscription based everything, like groceries, take-out, music, tv, and now gaming. What a time to be alive huh folks?

"You will own nothing, you will eat ze bugs, and you will be happy"

It's absolutely true. Because when you buy a game, you are actually only buying a license to play the game, you don't own the gsme

I'm sorry, this is capitalism

if you seriously think its only gamers, Im sorry for you

@@troll_486 laughs in cars

A highway robbery I may add.

Didn't know you were a gamer

I will get a pirate copy of the games i already own so they can't steal from me. And /I/ will be happy. I would fucking die over the principle of the concept. Buying something and it being taken away buy the one who sold it is theft.

ohhhh grow up nobody plays older games plus it’s better on emulation. See you in the MetaVerse once you escape the matrix

@@osvaldorubalcava9721 Yeah, you go stay in the metaverse then.

better yet they should legally be required to provide the code so private servers can be made.

That was settled in a class action lawsuit, gaming is gonna need it’s own class action lawsuit soon with the direction it’s going

Put another way, piracy only exists because of scummy companies

Perhaps another angle is piracy exists for older games precisely because companies don't see value in investing to keep those games alive, but also not in pursuing the legal cases needed to take pirated versions down. Companies turning a blind eye to piracy is actually an acknowledgement that they don't really mind others doing it.

i gotta hurry up and get on GOG

If companies weren’t so trash, then there would be no need for piracy.

Same here, though. Ubisoft is just an absolute disaster nowadays. These companies are going to get bankrupt and will fail their purchases. You're right it should be illegal.

The Crew is a server based game and phones home. Good luck.

I don't think piracy will go away for a very very long time. Not because stealing is some kind of unavoidable thing. More that it is a symptom of a dysfunctional system creating problems for people which leads them to such things. And I don't think humanity is ever going to manage to become functional in the far future let alone the near. Too many of us are short sighted, selfish, overly prideful, arrogant, insecure, etc. the list goes on, for us to reach a point where we can minimize such problems with each other to a point that will get rid of things like piracy completely. I just don't see it happening until we change so much that we might not even consider us being human anymore at that point.

Certain pirate sites have an insane catalogue of games that are not being sold anymore or are otherwise forgotten. Piracy is not necessarily negative in every sense, most pirate sites don't remove games from their catalogue and imo that's where the true value of this site lies.

Nah, just the offline mode patch. The devs should have to put in the work to make the game playable when they shut down the online aspect, it shouldn't be down to the players, especially when not everyone is gonna know how to do it.

LAN needs to come back.

There is zero chance of ever having a legal requirement to give out source code. I also dont see how you would ever get an always online game to be illegal in anyway, or to force a developer to put more work into a product. They could just not have the money. The only thing I can think of is consumer protection on a product. IE, if you take the product I bought from you away, you have to give me a refund. Now... games lose value steeply overtime.... so something like that wouldnt be on a full market value... but the concept that a developer might have to issue refunds might be enough to encourage the ability to make an offline patch... or keep a server running.

Its bad enough when an online company gets sold off and everything has been vandalized.

This wouldn’t work. A law mandating companies give source code to consumers would break all kinds of other rules. You might be able to get a law where if an online game gets shut down, you are entitled to a partial or maybe full refund. Sort of like what Stadia did

Look up Ross Scott’s video on the crew. He’s setting up a class action lawsuit to try to stop games from being destroyed.

what kind of game was it?

this ^^^

Ross is based

Bassed accursed farm viewer

Yea hes been advocating for these companies doing the bare minimum in preserving their games for a while now. Great guy and a great channel!

I love ross. That guy is a treasure to the gaming community.

Exactly it’s like me and motorsport 3 which I can still play on the 360 if that was online only I wouldn’t be able to play it and people would be like “just play the new forza” and while the concept is the same they are different games with different tracks and different steering and different car classes so I would want to play fm3 which luckily I can unlike crew 1

well said

Well if you wanted to make a retrospective on it this is the last chance it seems. I'd be interested in waching it. Looks way more interesting of a game than the soulles Crew 2.

Man children when their actions have consequences, lmao.

​@WhisptrzHeat Roblox heat isn't really a problem compared to the flag in your pfp

Enjoy last few moments of the game and cherish those memories forever

The same man who also did Freeman’s Mind. Also a good thing they did, too.

If it shuts down within 5 years that's a planned EXEC_TION. (Censored due to auto-filter exec_ting my comment.)

MGS Master Collection is video game preservation. All of you cried about it. They're literally the best way to play MGS 2 and 3 because perfect emulation of those games don't exist and never have.

​@@DoctorDoom84after how many years and of how poor quality? PS2 and ps3 emulators are miles beyond the mgs collection

@MrOnay-px1jx The MGS Master Collection versions on 2 and 3 are the best versions. Multiple things have been corrected. For example, the codec call pauses in 2 are fixed. Snakes' red dot sight in cut scenes has been fixed. The addition of the original MGS 1 game saves dialog is included. You can say emulation can improve the graphics, sure. However, the Master Collection was never a remaster. The graphics are supposed to be the originals. Hence, GAME PRESERVATION. There isn't an emulation of MGS 2 or 3 that's better than this collection. There are issues that aren't present in this Collection. Inferior versions with a upgraded look.

@@DoctorDoom84 it's not better graphics, the emulated versions have better texture resolution. And actual multidirectional analog controls instead of 8d movement. Without even mentioning all the audio issues

@MrOnay-px1jx You don't realize that you're praising the emulation because of features never intended for the original product in exchange for technical issues never present in the original games. PS2 emulation is great but not perfect in 2023. Perfect PS2 emulation is a internet myth. Doesn't exist. You see the emulation enhancements and completely disregard the technical issues.

And now doom is playable everywhere

We should be able to I don't know how to tho. This is possibly the SCUMMIEST MOVE A GAME COMPANY CAN MAKE and they've tried to do it before with assasins creed 2

​@@almightysamwhich4203And Assassin's Creed 3. Apparently they can just take what people paid real money for away with no consequences and we have to be okay with it? What a joke. I'll never buy another Ubisoft game for as long as I'm alive.

@rdgrdmedflde4710 I think us gamers should band together and start a class action lawsuit against ubisoft because this is not only against the law it sets a dangerous predecent that this is okay

@@almightysamwhich4203 It isn't against the law in the slightest. When you buy these types of games, you buy a license to play said game. At no point do you own it.

@@rdgrdmedflde4710 When you buy a washing machine or TV and it breaks after about 5 or 10 years, obviously well out of any warranty period...do you complain then or do you go out and buy a new one? When you purchase a ticket to see a movie and you watch that film, enjoy it (hopefully) then go home, or do you then expect that you can go to that cinema at any point in time for all eternity to watch that film again? Same with sports...you pay to watch a game and when it's over you have had your money's worth of entertainment; you don't get to come along next week for free. In the early days of gaming in arcades your time with the game for the money you paid lasted as long as you could play it before dying/losing. Games had continue options as long as you put another coin in...and Gauntlet allowed players to buy as much HP and time as they could afford as long as you kept pumping coins into it...probably the first pay to win game. Games as lasting products only became a thing with the home market...and is an exception rather than the norm when it comes to Entertainment if you actually think about it. It's only surprise the industry hasn't realised this before. It is not in their interest to continue to maintain support of older products and services when not really any other company or industry does either.

MUTA!!!!!!

Ross scott of Accursed Farms is attempting this

I wish Charlie could be a voice for this, given how goddamn big his audience is.

How is it fraud? You buy the game that you KNOW is online only, meaning server support eventually ends. And the terms of service say explicitly that you are "licensing" the product, not owning and they can shut it down or ban you at any time for any reason.

It's not fraud. Read Steam's EULA, they literally tell you that you are basically renting the stuff you pay for without any guarantees. People calling stuff fraud when they don't even read a single warning are morons. If Steam goes under tomorrow you lose all your purchases and there is NOTHING you can do about it.

@@soliitudegaming7275nobody wants that bs

​@@soliitudegaming7275a terms of service has no legal binding that like you buying a car paying it off completely then the dealership coming to you taking the car back and going "well it says we can do this in the TOS."

Hah... Interesting, is it really the word "service" that allows them to get away with it? Really puts the whole "live service" trend into perspective.

The storefronts that we bought the software licenses from are SERVICES, but the software licenses themselves are GOODS, that's the part that everyone misses.

The last straw for me with buying games was when I did a fresh install of Windows and downloaded a bunch of legally purchased games from my steam account that I planned on playing over time. One afternoon, my internet went out, so I figured I'd load up RE4 Remake to kill some time. But because I hadn't launched the game yet, I wasn't allowed to play it. The game spat out an error about being unable to contact the Denuvo servers and wouldn't let me use software I legally paid for. It's absolute bullshit.

Ubisoft goes Steamworks bye bye, always on DRM

afaik they have yet to really test their whole eula of not owning it when you buy a physical copy in a court of law..

In other news, water is still wet.

True it needs to happen to pressure these big companies to do the right thing, not to mention the amount of people who likely payed the full 60 dollar price tag on The Crew would be in the Millions which adding things up can be outrageous and count as a Scam due to the Millions lost, it's about the same as someone coming over to your house and trashing your copy of The Crew and maybe your hardware, giving off the vibe of Book Burning, which isn't a good look for a big company like Ubisoft or the other large living rejects we call Game Publishers that participate in these scandalous practices.

Battlefield 2042

No it won't because they're going to get fined pocket change. It's the cost of "doing business". It doesn't eat into their profits so why do I care? Every time I see game company lawsuits and most of the time the settlement is just a few mil.

the crew 1 you mean?

​@@WayStedYou he talked about both of them

but the first game is the one that is shutting down servers and causing the issues for now @@oost_javeln

@@WayStedYouwhooops 😅, yea I meant crew 1 too. Even their latest game motorfest, but yeah.

this is not the first time ubisoft pulled this sort of crap

I´m not interested in investing in anything modern gaming unless the company I want to buy the game from really does want the money, because I am a very strict man; if they want it, that means no cheating on their customer base. If they don´t, end of the story. No purchase.

same here, most of my gaming time spend is playing games like lethal company or other social games, and mostly is just for the socializing, modern AAA games are stealing from you now

Wait, I can't redownload the stuff I bought on my Wii U/ 3DS? Shit, time to look into emulators.

was it HoN? oh wait that was 2009

Shattered Galaxy and Elemental Saga, both by Nexon. Elemental Saga was the one that vanished one day.@@angel_of_rust

What were the games?

In case of some games, I can understand why offline games are taken down. The main reason is licensed music and/or vehicles. The prices of these licenses can get very high and after 10 years, you'd simply bleed money by paying the licenses because the game won't be selling that well anymore. The good part is that, in this scenario, you should not feel bad for pirating the game anymore since there will be literally no other way to get it.

At least it sounds like The Crew might be saved by modders who can enable that online mode

Muta mentioned 'reliving memories'. Here's your message to Ubisoft: We choose to invest our time as gamers making memories we will be able to relive, so these online only trash titles will never get a purchase from us. There ya go Ubisoft. Can't relive your 'wonderful memories of the crew' if you never made them to begin with. All their titles they've got announced in the pipeline don't interest me mainly because I don't trust them to make a good game worth my time. I hope no one buys this company and it dies real fast, so the industry learns this is not ok. Games like SOAPBOX/FiveM to name a few are what the community of gamers want. Fix the supply if you want our money.

You really want to put that kind of trust into the same consumers that caused this bs in the first place? Not to mention running a triple a server is expensive af. I don't want games to go from "you can only play on our servers" to "you can only play if you pay donate to my paetron."

@@that_deadeyegamer7920 there's literally tools on steam that let you host a dedicated server for some games, both indie and triple A so 🤷‍♀️

Its the same thing when we go to a website and it says "We respect your privacy..." while proceeding to invade it as much as they can.

They literally ended the post by advertising the crew motorfest hoonigan update

Pulling a Respawn Entertainment

I hope no one genuinely thought they were being serious. Unless it’s said by some indie developer or developer with a clear proven track record of genuinely being passionate about the games they make, then no one should believe whatever a company says a game means a lot to them. Because often times it’s just PR talk

These games only mean anything to them while they are profitable.

That's a 2030 plan I keep hearing about

You will own nothing and you will be happy.

@@Corvid- That day is unfortunate coming sooner rather than later!

@@mike-bi7ll It'll be here my friend

hear me out tho piracy + Online fix

'the anger... Any less bitter' that's not a saying. It's either 'the anger any less worse' or 'the feelings any less bitter'. You're welcome.

@@zeraora2607It doesn’t have to be a saying to be true. Nothing he said was incorrect

@@zeraora2607what a tool.

Nothing else to say, write it down!!!!!

While I agree, if they shut down, it's most likely they don't even have money to sustain themselves. So refund us with what money? They couldn't handle the 60 bucks we individually paid.

Refunds won’t work, what they can do is open source.

I think they do have a law, any such game offline for 5 months or more is open game to being cracked open without any legal ramifications for preservation.

Such a sad society we live in.

These companies pulling this shit is the reason people pirate. Piracy is a service issue, not a price issue. When you pay $60 for a game you "purchased" with the reasonable expectation that you can play it as long as you have the game, and when that game gets revoked cuz the company cannot be bothered to maintain it anymore; this is the exact reason why people pirate.

I wonder when the division 1 when will be pulled offline

People need to stop playing and buying console games that are on the ps store or require a connection. People always on their knees for developers like ea and Ubisoft.

@@COWP TBF most games don't have a online only requirement its actually a very small subset of games that have it be that way. So people who like EA and Ubi are probably doing it because they have some very solid SP titles so some are gonna be inclined to have a soft spot for them. But I do agree nothing is stopping them from just keeping the game on steam and releasing the dedicated server tools for free. Or why not use Steam works integration if you have it on steam? The modern day is not exactly hurting in the economic options department saying you need to shut down for money is a skill issue and is also greedy, and scummy if your doing it to a payed for product.

it actually isnt our property. its literally in the TOS that 0 people read lol

@@COWP They can still sell you a disc that pretty much only serves as the cd-key and majority of the game is downloaded or in some cases drm and other stuff can still lock you out of the game/disc.

Online-only makes pirating harder too

@@humanbean3 Absolutely agree with your sentiments. Back then, games were made by gamers, for gamers. Not by businessmen for investors and shareholders. You're remembering the right Myst, though it was published by Broderbund, not Sierra. The Myst series were singleplayer immersive adventure games, a genre which Cyan still specialise in to this day. Uru was created as an MMO set in the same universe.

Because they didn't do any of those things.

With any online game only product. You signed an agreement to terms of service. Which includes the fact that they can deny you services.

Blame malicious lobbying

​@@bargaintuesday812 So if Amazon Prime Video advertised that if you buy a movie/show from them, it's yours to own and keep forever. Then they suddenly remove the content from their service, you lose access to it and are not entitled to a refund for the product. You believe that's not false advertising?

@@bargaintuesday812 You will own nothing and be happy.

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@@lonely_7891😂

A reddit petition, that'll show 'em.

This very reason: of having something you paid for be essentially revoked by greedy megacorps that stick to the phrase “yOu’lL oWN nOthInG. aNd yOu’LL bE hApPy!!” This is why I buy physical games. At least I own a game rather than an admission ticket.

It's a garbage reality we are living in with games being able to be taken away at a moments notice.

Collection is great, but in 50 years from now, you'll be rotting in a ground and all those games you've collected will be in landfill with seagulls defecating on it.

@@JayShootHer that or a relative or stranger will pawn them off.

I do have a Wii U, but present me is so glad that I held onto it and my Wii game discs. No company can take those away from me

Hah, seriously true

This is why you indulge in piracy

thats why you HAVE to buy physical and/or crack your games. it should be a moral obligation at this point....cause devs and publishers don't give a fck about us except our money

Xbox I think lets you access your games offline(if downloaded), unlike ps. Not defending them or anything just pointing it out

In this case, since it's an online only game, physical copies will soon become fancy coasters

crazy, I was just ust looking at Tomb Raider today and I couldn't figure out which one was the Best to download and play now that several if not all of them are on Gamepass and apparently they all have like 1000+ 5 star reviews... which is rare to see on autistic Xbox reviews.(Which one to quickly play from fear that I'd never get to play it.... ever. Once it gets put on sale one last time for $5.99, or thrown in with all 4-5 TR games in a bundle called "Tomb Raider: The Definitive Edition" before getting removed from the M$/Xbox store + Steam permanently.

The fact that this is considered an "unpopular opinion" and isn't just common sense says a lot about the human race, especially the newer generation of gamers that grew up being screwed by these companies and essentially thank them for it.

Good old capitalism and monopolies

For real!

Am I a scam? Are you a scam? I'm am now questioning what people are considered living scams now, thank you for this deep insight.

​@@humzahrashid6736 No, you're a bot

@@seedypr6479 No, you're a RU-vid commenter.

At best, it’s extortion. At worst, they’re just straight up scamming.

Sad thing is, the companies made a somewhat strong case about Always-Online being harder to pirate. So they claim it as a copyright security method. Instead of developing good products people want to buy, they hide behind shitty made up reasons that drain the userbase out of their money. I'm dead sure, the bubble in gamedev will crumble soon, and I hate that many will lose their jobs and there will be chaos, but the fat cats will be just fine, sitting in their suits rubbing down another greasy pig to fatten for their next decade of dishonest and ethically questionable schemes. Vampire Survivors proved that people WILL BUY GAMES THAT ARE FUN. Larian proved it this year very significantly as well. That's as broad of a range one can go - 1 man Indie to a AAA quality product that Shames the AAA industry in quality and approachability for the common gamer who never even played a CRPG before. If anything, I'd be very interested in making a policy of "defunct" games going into a game repository for everyone to access. Same as books. Nintendo do their stupid shit constantly and consistently. I think it hasn't been a year since 2010 or even earlier that I haven't heard about some random Nintendo fit about someone "enjoying their games wrong". And I am not much of a nintendo fan, or even enjoyer overall - it was not something I grew up with, and my interests lie elsewhere, but even without looking for news about the company, you get these delusional scandals and threats from Nintendo with and to their fans. It's baffling.