The irony of the Naruto vs Neji fight is that Neji was always correct. Bloodlines and destiny are what make every ninja great in the end of the story..
No wasn't completely right either. otherwise naruto had uzumaki bloodline ,son of hokage, jinchuriku of nine tails, reincrnation demihod like ashura. But he was treated literally worse than lower civilians. He wasnt taught properlly, despised as though he the worst criminal even though he didn't do anything , had no one to educate him like neji. In fact he couldn't even eat properlly due to not having much money despite being son of hokage. But still manage to overcome that with sheer will power amd hardwork. Not everyone has that much guts and willpower to remain chearful and desire to protect like him. If u replace him with people like sasuke and even neji, they would have been broken or become vengenful soul....So yea destiny alone doesn't matter and isnt enough here.
@@milanms4593 Yea no your comment is stupid you cant just call naruto a demi god then ramble on about how he was treated like shit sure if your treated like shit with no form of proper training thats bad but if your a demi god with a demon in your stomach that just does not matter nearly as much as if you were just regular person like naruto also your forgetting naruto had iruka and the third hokage and sasuke after itachi killed everyone of his family had nothing so yea neji was completely right its part of the reason why everyone hates the war arc becasue by making naruto a reincarnation of a demi god that took away from the value of young naruto and the message he was trying to convey
@@dx_n3774 oie naruto had but how much they affect him before his academic period? third hokage, even if he can't adopt him, it can't explain the reason naruto to be not able to provide him better shelter or provide him proper training method through anbus or any other experts when literally he could send anbus to monitor him most of the time. Iruka also resented naruto before and it was later some how he manage to. U can't just ignore anything like whole village is treated is like monster and wish he could die, he still has will to protect them. When sasuke also tried to kill him, he still wanted to bring him back. U can't compare him to neji who was treated way better than him despite being branch family member. Neji wasn't someone who had casted out of society. No he problem was that he was from branch family trapped in cage seal which somewhat limit him. Thats not worse than when litrally monster is inside u, who can break anytime depending upon his emotion instablity and destroy everything.....
Also Naruto summoning 1000 clones was just an example of Naruto having terrible chakra control, which they explained multiple times in the story, he pushes out too much chakra when creating clones and that’s why he makes so many, he stops making so many when he’s older because it makes more sense for chakra conservation
Also Ebisu said Naruto only performed better than his teammates despite having worse chakra control is due to his stupid amount of chakra If not for Kurama, sorry, Naruto would’ve been trash in part 1
@@aceclover758bro naruto would literally still be broken. You do realize naruto was struggling in part 1 BECAUSE of kurama? If naruto had access to his whole chakara pool he wouldve been a jonin at like 14
@@aceclover758 nah man, naruto only had access to kurama chakra pool when enraged (and jiraiya training). true base naruto still had a shit ton of chakra, just because he's an uzumaki.
Naruto learns from every Shoadow Clone that was defeated. So he got better during his fights because he recieved information on what works and what doesnt wit every defeat.
Yes but this was instinctive learning, he didn’t even know he recieved information from them until Kakashi told him in the Kakuzu/Hidan Arc in Shippuden. He was very surprised of this revelation I’ll add, so it’s not like Naruto was like “Ahhh yeah that makes sense, no wonder I felt like this that one time or xyz info came to me so I did xyz in the Chunin exams” - no semblance of his past clones experience helping him at all was portrayed
if we show naruto clones femboy H manga, does he get a trauma multiplied by 1000 or does he gets the *best moment of his life¹°°°* *It is just a jojo reference naruto!*
Let's remember how it is stated several times that Gaara was the trump card of the Sand village. The invasion was all based on him and his massive destructive power on his full bijuu mode. That's exactly what jinchuriki are suppossed to be! Yes, not even their Kage was seen as a trump card unlike Gaara. There's a lot you can say to deny that young Naruto was Kage level, but he at least could get around that level if the situation called for it. That's the point of the story, he's a 12 year-old. The series was showing off his potential.
when you put it that way it makes think.. what the hell were the sand village thinking lmao, they took their 1 tailed beast and tried to put it up against the village with the 9 tailed beast lol who thought of that strategy lmao!!! To be fair I guess he was suppose to be the distraction while Orochimaru killed the third Hokage but still, what was the plan if Naruto whipped out the 9 tails? They all would just be like.... welp GG.
@@darkspartan86not really the kazekage was suppose to fight hiruzen and orochimaru was probably gonna help him or destroy the village! Gaara was the sand ninja’s asset not the sand village one! Raza was stronger than garaa
@@The_Average_Ragebait_Borutard WTF are you talking about? Nobody mentioned Madara nobody talked about boruto! We’re talking about the konoha crush arc! Now gtfo of here with your 30 IQ points
@@christinaromanov3612 no he wasn't a genius in his own right, he just worked harder than everyone else and properly used what was available despite having less potential than literally everyone
@@ciarangallagher9330 You’re correct, still doesn’t change the fact that Naruto could take on a majority of ninjas. Two things can be true at the same time.
The people having Gaara being the strongest kid in the poll are wild. Naruto gave him a generational reality check and made Gaara switch up his vibes forever. This is before learning the rasengan...
Naruto beats gaara because he’s the main character, at that point in the story he wasn’t stronger than lee or neji (yes he beat neji, but that most more a battle of ideals, not a battle of strength, neji lost because his ideology was flawed)
@@picassoggz6571it doesn't matter how he goes about winning, the fact is still that he won against Gaara and Neji. Isn't that what it means to be stronger😮 and he defeated gaara at his most powerful form. A form that was vital to orochimaru crushing the lead, what do you mean he wasn't strong!!! I definitely don't see neji beating gaara😂😂
@@picassoggz6571 e don't matter. Naruto still defeated him. And he'll do it again in Shippuden 😂. You think if Naruto was as bloodlusted as Gaara was as a kid, any of those rookies would touch him. He'd kill kakashi like a fly. It's the freaking nine tails. If we're to be truly objective, it's the nine tails vs everyone one...we all saw how that played out for Konoha when last it happened
kakashi stated he tried adding lightning release to rasengan and failed and thats how he made the lightning blade but maybe its different in the manga@@Dnl_Fly
@@cjlsniper i think its the basics of a rasengan but failing to keep the shape(still having the condensed chakra moving with the lightning nature tho) correct me if im wrong
Kid Naruto was very strong that early Shipudden/post time skip was a downgrade,imagine if he just spammed summonings against Deidara or even Itachi during the Gaara Rescue arc or when he met Sasuke again in Tenchi Bridge.
It wasn’t literally a downgrade. He gained his big moves quickly in part 1 and needed multiple years to become adept with them and raise his overall skill level.
You naruto fan boys are so ignorant. Naruto was always the most low and the worst character throughout this entire series, let me explain before you losers come after me.
@@kleatise52man he had multi shadow clone jutsu. Just imagine, he use that 100 or more shadow clones to learn control chakra for a year .and for next two years other techniques, he would have been way power than he was shown in naruto shippuden. Author just downgrade potential of naruto just for shake plot and to sasuke more powerful. In the series whenever naruto becomes powerful, he gives sauske outnowhere....to be honest naruto's full potential hasn't been shown till for me.
Against Deidara that would helped, against Itachi he'd prob still know the correct one and take Naruto out in the same way he did. All he had to do was point at Naruto and he was caught in the Genjutsu to strong for him to get out of.
That's the thing I have qualms with in the story. After the timeskip, Naruto wasn't stronger than when he left konoha. Basically all Jiraiya did in those two in half years was f**ck around with the kyubi seal and just tell naruto to hit a rock with rasengan. He could've taught Naruto taijutsu or ninjutsu. Its already been established that the akatsuki were going after the jinchuriki's. And with a dangerous ninja like itachi breaching konoha to abduct naruto, there should be an impetus to give Naruto a proper training. In fact there would be no need for Naruto to leave Konoha. Tsunade could facilitate to have Naruto trained by jounin in various discipline. For example, training in taijutsu from a hyuga or gai sensei, maybe learn some jutsu from Kakashi or learn some basic genjutsu and how to break from genjutsu from kurenai.
The talent vs hard work was a running theme that did apply to Naruto at first glance but it was never the actual theme of “Naruto” himself. He’s about never giving up.
It was never the theme, period. If you give up before realizing your massive potential, then you would never achieve greatness in the first place. Naruto was not kage level out the womb, he still had to train a lot to get there. People don't realize that Naruto clearly did a lot of off screen ninja training as did other characters during academy days. He was not born knowing martial arts and being able to perfectly aim his Kunai and use Chakra.
Saying Naruto defeating someone with the sexy jutsu doesn't count is the same as saying that defeating someone with a genjutsu doesn't count, in both situations you are tricking the opponent and beating them without physical damage
It doesn’t count because it’s not a fight. The Third Hokage was not trying at all. By your logic any attractive woman can beat the Third Hokage by stripping. That’s ridiculous. When Sarutobi is serious that is not going to work just like how Jiraiya saw through the woman Itachi and Kisame used as distraction. You know your argument is weak when you have to resort to gag scenes and treat them seriously.
You know what I hate about this? I was so hyped out about what Kakashi said, because it would mean we will see an amazing world-building anime, and later in Shippuden we found out that actually we know all the strong characters in the story and that there are only a handful of good shinobi out there. Like, everything felt so small at the end of Shippuden, the world was not like thousands and hundres of thousands and millions of years old, it was basically a few centuries old since the Kaguya stuff, you could pretty much run around the world in a few days/weeks, Konohagakure itself was less then 100 years old, more like 80 actually, and it was the first ever founded shinobi village, like even the moon is as small as a tiny mountain made by the deva path, and pretty close to the earth. And if that was not bad enough, then we have some black mucus that we found out actually he is responsible for all the ninja-world history and conflicts and what-not? It's just crazy, and sad.
@@danielclv97 exactly, i think in the beginning Kakashi was supposed to be your standard Jonin then later he was rewritten to be one of the strongest. so no Kakashi, there were no 11 year olds stronger than you
The funny thing is I don't even think that was true. What kid at that time was younger than Naruto yet stronger than Kakashi? Not Haku, that was BS. The only in history who could fit that description are like Madara, Hashirama, Minato, Itachi, and maybe Shisui. Those are all debateable, mind you. 11 is REALLY young, we don't know ecxactly how strong they were at those ages. And all of those characters were either dead or already older than Naruto. I guess the point is there are just people who are super young but also OP for their age, but the statement made it seem like Haku > Kakashi which is definitely not true at any point.
@@DiamonDust Kakashi wasn't commenting directly on Haku's strength specifically (we didn't know his strength level yet). I think Kakashi was just making a passing comment about the nature of the world. Kakashi knew about the occasional existence of kids like Minato and Itachi. It's not unbelievable that such kids occasionally existed in other villages as well.
One thing a lot of people don't realize about the fight between Naruto and Sasuke is that Sasuke says he will never touch his forehead and that's why he puts the headband back on so Naruto doesn't go for the kill he scratches the headband to prove a point
Idk about that. Sasuke put the headband on to acknowledge that Naruto was not below him and he saw him as an equal. Naruto didn't lose on purpose. Naruto tried to win, his last attack veered off course because Sasuke hit _him_ first. He didn't hit the headband on purpose. I guess you could say he tried to scratch the headband after realizing that he didn't have enough reach to hit Sasuke himself, but it didn't look that way to me.
Exactly. That’s actually the only reason that Naruto “lost”. Because Naruto went for the forehead scratch while Sasuke went for the killing blow… 😢 Also, Sasuke killed Naruto like 3 times during that fight and he kept regenerating lmfao. If you recall, Sasuke said that Naruto “became his closest friend”, which is exactly why he had to kill him - to awaken the Mangekyo Sharingan. So, Sasuke was going for the kill the whole time, and he did deal killing blows 3 times, then the 4th time during their final chidiri vs rasengan…. So, I wonder what was going through Sasuke’s head in that final shot of him looking down on the collapsed Naruto… I guess he just gave up on killing him at that point 😅 couldn’t finish off a helpless man…?
That scene where Naruto "beats" the 3rd Hokage with the sexy jutsu when he's trying to steal the scroll was actually cut out of the anime for some reason and since that's how most people were introduced to Naruto it's understandable that a lot of people didn't know about that scene
Yeah, I was rereading the manga they actually moved it to the part when Naruto wanted to use that photo, but Sarutobi vetoed it, so he used the Sexy Jutsu and Konohamaru also mentioned it too.
Naruto was like high chunin-low jonin level at most. He had jonin-kage feats like gamabunta but he couldn’t consistently summon him. Naruto’s battle IQ/awareness was too little, he was easily susceptible to traps. He did learn the rasengan but it took time to build it up. He couldn’t use it instantly like jonin minato, jiraiya, and kakashi
Well to be fair, a 12 year old mastering the 4th hokages A rank jutsu and finding a creative loophole to use it with a clone is very impressive. Even orochimaru, jiraiya and tsunade all 3 sannin were impressed with the idea. His battle iq feats are also very underrated. He was the one who came up with the plan to rescue kakashi from zabuza (which is already ridiculous considering he outsmarted an elite jonin), managed to trick kiba and the jonin watching the fight, into thinking he was akamaru in their fight with his clones/transformation combo, was able to evenly distribute his chakra in all his clones in his fight with Neji so he couldn’t tell the difference, used a clone as a diversion and hid underground waiting to catch Neji offguard etc. He has dumb moments but his BIQ definitely shouldn’t be slept on even in part1
@@josh2k2000 but that’s obviously a plot move for the sake of saving time, and even then he didn’t master it. He still needed a clone to sit there and rotate it for 15-20 seconds before it could be used and it stayed like that well into the beginning of shippuden
Saying he's at kage level is an exaggeration, but I agree with the main message of the video, that Naruto from the first part is underrated. 2 of his 3 best skills are based on high chakra levels (multiple kage bunshins and summoning Gamabunta). In fact, Naruto could reduce most of his fights to spamming clones until his opponent is exhausted, since no one actually has enough chakra to match Naruto and it would take a real skill advantage to deal with such a storm of clones. But it is obvious that such tactics would make all fights boring.
Everyone can throw hands but not everyone can throw hands equally strong (also Naruto did not have any good Taijutsu till he was a teen)@@UltimateBallaPOM
@@Kyonari When Naruto faced Sasuke at the Valley during the Sasuke retrieval arc, he traded blows with Sasuke equally. Sasuke who was considered exceptionally talented. Dude headbutted Gaara for the KO too. Knocked out Neji with an uppercut. I'm sure there's other instances where Naruto gave ninjas those hands pre-teen.
I have to say you are correct. Suppose Naruto had taught Shadow Clones secret from the very beginning and had people like Kakashi and Jiraya utilize the absolute cheat of Shadow Clones to teach him several Ninjutsu, powerful Taijutsu, and even Sealing Jutsu. In that case, I believe his strength during the Part 1 Valley of End fight would be around Kakashi's level without summoning Gamabunta. With that summoning, he would definitely reach Kage Level no doubt.
There are canon restrictions to Naruto using his clones to train: amount of stamina and, more importantly, the chances of the Nine Tails going out of control increasing. They would also need to account for that, if not the number of clones would have to be much more limited.
@@didack1419 You are right about this restriction but you forgot one thing. Naruto had to master Wind Release in less than a month so he was using more than a hundred shadow clones. But, what if he was just using five or ten or just twenty shadow clones? Twenty will be superior to one in this case, right? He would still learn things twenty times faster without any worries about getting his Chakra out of control. More importantly, stamina is not a problem when he is a small number of shadow clones.
Yeah, but his teachers failed him over and over again… 😂 Although, I think the restriction was just time, which made his teachers prioritize teaching certain things over other things, and Jiraiya prioritized teaching him Kage-level jutsu while leaving out the small stuff, while Kakashi focused on grinding the basics for a solid foundation. So, nobody taught him any mid-level ninjutsu. He eventually improved his taijutsu skills through his training time with Jiraiya and then with the toad sage.
I don't know about stronger but Boruto is definitely more knowledgeable and in control than Naruto was. It makes sense, since he had parents to teach him. Naruto would have been just as talented if he'd had Minato and Kushina to teach him.
@@omarabrody5469 Even given that Boruto is more talented than kid Naruto, which is objectively true, given Boruto's feats, being more knowledgeable/having better chakra control doesn't trump the absolute POWERHOUSE of a Chakra pool that kid Naruto had.
You kinda forget side effect of massive shadow clone jutsu. Its not only divides your chakra among all of them equally, meaning 1000 clones means you have only 1/1000 of your chakra, but also every stress, every knowledge that any clones get goes directly to your brain. (Imagine studying/working 10000 hours straight) Its immense amount of stress. That was the direct reason why this jutsu was forbidden in the first place. It can exhaust and kill you, mentally. Also, any aoe jutsu will obliterate all the clones leaving main user with leftover of his chakra in much more disadventage that he was before. Its like shooting all of your ammo just in 1 second and having none left. Thats why he is not using it everytime in every situation.
@@graytified Yeah but are we going to classify everything that inconveniences a Kage as Kage level? We’ve seen Goku no sell attacks from powerful enemies, yet Bulma was able to slap him off his feet
Alot of you forget his summoning jutsu at 12-13 years old, im pretty sure gamabunta alone is a kage level summon and he was able to do a double knockout with gaara who let shukaku out as an attempt to win.
@@jonathanolivier6932 Are you serious??? Naruto would be even stronger in Naruto, but would grow weaker in Shippuden, it's not even ninja vs ninja in the 4th World Ninja War.
Exactly… all the other kids at his academy (except for Sakura) had Jonin parents who personally trained them from a very young age. That would be a huge advantage… and they still ended up being mid tier 😂
Orochimaru blocked Kurama from naruto because the nine tails chakra would’ve attracted too much attention and he didn’t want to be discovered yet. Hiruzen would’ve noticed eventually and realize that there was something in the forest that was strong enough to force naruto to resort to kurama also considering out of all the tailed beasts shukaku wanted to run hands with kurama the most it would’ve attracted Gaara over too because shukaku would’ve been screaming at gaara to go over there once he sensed kurama’s chakra
Wait, shukaku wanted to throw hands with his bigger brother?????!!! Half kurama bijuu dama, first time going all out, against 2+3+5+6+7 tails combined bijuu dama and it was equal! Shukaku was a clown.
@@TheMaztercom he didn’t want to be discovered during the time of the fight because he didn’t want hiruzen or the anbu pulling up he didn’t care if he was discovered after he marked sasuke but it clearly wasn’t his intention to be recognized that early since he threatened to invade Konoha had the exams been stopped, he basically told them what was gonna happen
Or maybe he just didn’t want Naruto with nine tails chakra stopping Gaara’s attack on Konoha? I kind of doubt that Hirizen would have sensed Naruto’s nine tails chakra at the small level that he was releasing it during that fight…
He was not Kage level. His summoning jutsu was obviously Kage level (when it works) but that’s all Naruto had. One unreliable ability doesn’t make you Kage level overall. Kid Naruto is getting blitzed by any decent Jonin and dying long before he can summon anything.
Naruto also has Rasengan which is a Kage Level attack created by 4th hokage Minato+ it killed a pain body who easily bodied jonin. Then we have the Multiple Shadow Clone jutsu is also a kage level attack created by 2nd hokage Tobirama . His chakra reserves from uzumaki chakra is KAGE LEVEL. He had 5x the amount of chakra Kakashi had and Kakashi was kage level as a Jonin. Same with Might Guy. The 9tails is Kage level to above. Also his Sexy Jutsu Is GOD LEVEL‼️
@@SunlightGwyn rasengan kills any kage except the 3rd Raikage if you hit them in the face with it. Nobody is tanking a rasengan to the face even kage level opponents unless you have some sort of facial covering or something protecting your entire head. Rasengan is stronger than the Chidori & the Chidori would kill anyone if you hit them with it so the rasengan being more powerful would blow the brains out of their heads‼️
@@painisgod500 There are many things that can kill a Kage that aren’t Kage level. A kunai or sword can kill a Kage if it hits them in the head. A Kunai isn’t Kage level. If a boulder fell on their heads while they were sleeping they would die. A boulder is not Kage level.
im just going to say it: Naruto was not planned from the begining. That means that the further a chapter is from the last chapter of the manga, the less canon it is. Kishimoto didnt understand the implications of having kid Naruto defeat a Hokage. In his mind, back then, Hiruzen could no longer fight, he was just an old man. Later he wanted Hiruzen to take Orochimaru's arms and he changed his power level.
Technicly he didn't beat Shukaku. Just put him back to sleep because of the first impression of being fully possesed by tailed beast, a host was visible so it was possible to wake him up. If Garra was fully possesed but hidden within Shukaku, I'm not sure how it would've ended just because of the limit of Gamabunta being summoned. Other than that, they'd prolly find a way to plot armor Naruto smh.
Naruto's overwhelming yang chakra supply from Kurama is both why he's so bad at genjutsu and why he's so good at shadow clones and transformations. He had that from Ch1
Always wonder why Naruto didn't just 1000+ shadow clones, throws kunais followed by a suicide dive with explosive tags on clones, and call GG. Deidara would be proud and amaze at Naruto's art.
I dunno, there’s always the chance that Naruto could have ended up as an unmotivated and depressed kid and never learned to “control” the nine tails’ chakra the way that his father had intended… Then, the world would have been really screwed.
Truly, Naruto is an anime about eugenics. Everything in the series is about eugenics. It's about having a child with the strongest people you know and passing on your special kekkei genkai or your special eyes. "hard work beats natural talent" is such a meme idea people pick up from naruto. As you said, a lot of people got hooked from gaara vs lee. As an aside, we're made to believe, for the most part, that Lee is the embodiment of hard work despite how Kakashi keeps admitting through the fight you have to be a genius to understand and unlock the gates (he made it up to five here); however, moving past that and just going with what everyone believes, the idea falls flat so hard. I'm going to list off all of Rock Lee's wins in the series: 1. Mock battle with sasuke before the chunin exam. 2. White zetsu clone. 3. Clone of himself. 4. Reincarnated Leaf Dragon God (which is almost a testament to how fucking worthless the taijutsu masters are if they're not using at least 6 gates). It's such a strange thing what the series tries to purport about talent versus hardwork considering even Naruto (the grand daddy of 'hard work and perseverance') is literally the reincarnation of Indra. The fact of the matter is training is a lot easier when you have godlike chakra reserves in the first place to train longer. I mean look at how many clones naruto had to learn the rasenshuriken. If he trained for an hour with 50+ clones, that's training 50x faster. Who can do that? It's hard work, but if a person said they literally don't have to sleep and mastered something in 3/5 the time a normal person did, you'd chalk that up to how they didn't have to sleep. It's an aspect of talent. If Naruto wanted to tout the merits of hardwork, what they'd do is go further into Genjutsu (as difficult of a mechanic it is to write about) because it's something people with low chakra levels specialize in. Chakra control and management of an incredibly small pool is something that should be hard and intensive to master.
if you get the experience from the clone you get all of it no? Headcannon is Kurama kept him going on past the normal breaking point of humans, so he basically tortured him through the amount of pain and death experience from all the times a clone got stabbed or burnt or fatigued to blackout, keeping him alive to live through all of it.
@@Vietmac1993 What are you talking about? I'm not sure you understood the comment. I know that he was not extremely battle smart. My comment says if he were to have Kakashi's battle IQ, he would have been jonin level, because of his raw strength. The only reason he wasn't Jonin level was because his battle IQ was much lower than Jonins.
@@jordandar1415 oh sorry you are right. I didn't read the comment correctly. I don't exactly agree with the comment after reading it. Yes Naruto had raw power and better IQ would have made him better but Naruto's skill set was very limited to go up against Jonins even if he had better IQ. Naruto's chakra control was bad plus the only techniques he knew were Shadow Clones, Substitution Jutsu, Transformation Jutsu, and Summoning Jutsu. Also Naruto's taijutsu was too much a brawling style. Yes he was passable in the academy where his grade was at least a B but his Taijutsu skills were inferior to Kiba, Sasuke, and Neji. A lot of Jonins including Kakashi may not have the raw power to match Naruto. However, they have better experience and better skill sets. I will give you examples. Hayate and Yugao were decent swordsman. They may not have Naruto's raw power but I doubt Naruto would be able to use his Kunai to go toe to toe with them. Maito Gai, if Lee could easily beat Naruto with Taijutsu, then Gai would wipe the floor with Naruto. Plus he can use Nunchucks and use inner gates to counter Naruto's Kyuubi power. Asuma has two elements, wind and fire plus he can use trench knifes. Shikaku would outsmart Naruto easily. Choza would overpower Naruto even if he used Nine Tails power. Hiashi would beat Naruto even worse than Neji did. If Naruto had a better skill set and better IQ, I think he would have definitely beaten some Jonin. Better battle IQ would not have been enough for Naruto to go toe to toe with Jonin.
@@Vietmac1993 I yet what you're saying, and "Day 1" doesn't necessarily mean swingset Naruto. I just meant Part 1 Naruto. You're describing high-tier Jonins, but not every Jonin is that strong. I'd argue that most Jonins are much weaker the people you listed. And its common nature that techniques are only as good as the person using them. That's why Naruto's Shadow Clone jutsu was not as effective without battle IQ. Here are some reasons I say what I do. 1. Zabuza - Naruto, utilizing his forbidden Shadow Clone Jutsu, was able to outsmart Zabuza to release Kakashi from the Water Prison. Even though it took him and Sasuke, it was his plan. 2. Haku - Zabuza states that Haku is much stronger than he is. The second Naruto went Nine-Tails cloak, Haku would've been defeated. And we know Haku is not slouch, because he's fought alongside Zabuza, an S-class ninja, for years and was fast enough to intercept a chidori. 3. Gaara - The villages do not just make anyone a Kage. That person, as stated by Kakshi, is "usually" the strongest ninja in the village, but not always. There is not one ninja stronger than Gaara in the Sand Village, not even Lady Chiyo. Shortly after the Chunin Exams, Gaara took on Kimimaro, a Jonin-Level ninja, and did eventually defeat him, but it was close. If it were easy to beat Gaara, someone from his village would have killed him already. Gaara was sent on mainly A-Rank missions without ever receiving a scratch. Naruto was the first and only person to defeat Gaara in battle before Shippuden. 4. Temari And Kankuro - These shinobi are good, but they were defeated by Shikamaru and Shino respectively. However, they still became Jonins early after. I think we both can agree that neither Kankuro nor Temari could even touch the Gaara or Naruto that faced each other during the Konaha Invasion. 5. Kabuto - Kabuto was a Kakashi-level Jonin, but if he were not a medical ninja, he would have been absolutely killed by Naruto's rasengan. 6. Neji - Naruto defeated Neji, who would become a Jonin early after. He was blessed by the Hyuga abilities, but Naruto was able to defeat him with just partial Nine-Tails chakra, not even the cloak. 6. Abilities are only as good as the person who uses them. Kakashi literally tells Naruto his clones aren't as effective because he doesn't use them right. Think if the abilitied Naruto has. • Rasengan - S-Rank jutsu, created by the 4th Hokage, that was stronger than the Chidori, as indicated by Naruto and Sasuke's rooftop fight, where Sasuke was superior in chakra control, speed, and battle IQ, but Naruto would've killed Sasuke if Kakashi hadn't stopped it. • Shadow Clone/Multi-Shadow Clone Jutsu - Forbidden S-Class Jutsu that Naruto has never used correctly until Shippuden. • Summoning- At this point, Naruto, Jiraiya, and Minato were the only ones capable of summoning Gamabunta. The only other characters at this point who could summon that big of a creature were Jiraiya, Minato, Orochimaru, and Tsunade, who are all S-Class ninjas. Yes, he really only uses three techniques really, but if he had even Shikamaru's level of Battle IQ, he'd be packing up the average Jonin.
Here my take, Hiruzen Sarutobi has his telescope jutsu and he has Anbu watching Naruto as he a Jinjuriki. No way Mizuki knows this, so the fact that he tricked Naruto to steal the scroll was known to Hiruzen and the Anbu. Hiruzen wanted naruto to steal the scroll so he can learn some of the jutsu from it, he may even hoped that Naruto learns the Flying Thunder God, and be the 2nd Yellow Flash. I think this is what happen because Hiruzen was too soft and felt he need to compensate Naruto. In his mind the reason why Minato died was because he didn't have the strength to use Reaper Seal on the Nine tails. Thus in his mind he orphaned Naruto. Not to mention the rumors that followed the Night of the Nine tails which marked Naruto as the Demon Fox, was necessary evil to tell the other 4 Nations that they still have the Jinjurik.
I've been rewatching Naruto for the first time, and I don't think it’s because the series didn't show his power as well but because we were younger when he watched the original. I began to realize how overpowered he was only when I rewatched it older.
Kid Naruto does not beat any Jonin in the village. Even when we count his 1 tail form, at the very least Guy and Kakashi (individually) send him packing. And that's the jonin. There is not ONE Kage level opponent (not the real Kage, not the Akatsuki) that Naruto comes close to beating. Hidan would eat Naruto alive, even with one tail, as would any other Kage.
Bro he absolutely trashes most Jonin. Aside from Gai and Kakashi only maybe Asuma can fight him, and my money is on Naruto there. Also Gai is, at that point in time, stronger than any living Kage, and Kakashi has the bullshit eyeball.
@GonnaDieNever define "most jonin"? Which jonin does Naruto win against? And how? Think about how nutty this is. Kid Naruto needed the Kyuubi chakra to fight SASUKE. And the last time Sasuke tried to swing on a jonin (Itachi), he literally got slapped. Like ask yourself that question, which jonin would have trouble bringing in Sasuke if they had to? Zabuza? Nah. Even with his Curse Mark, Zabuza has been in the game too long and has a wider moveset. At this point in the show, the adults were on a different level
@@jaredgreathouse3672 Kurenai and probably Asuma lose to him. Literally every nameless Jobber Jonin loses to him. Tell me that Kurenai and Asuma beat Shukaku Gaara. Come on, tell me that, lol. Also saying "Sasuke gets wrecked by Itachi" is barely anything. Itachi is stronger than Orochimaru at his full power. Itachi is equivalent to Jiraiya and stronger than Tsunade. He's an Above Kage level ninja, not a Jonin.
@@jaredgreathouse3672 Yeah sure uhuh, Asuma never let any punk with mid-chunin combat abilities and no-ninjutsu get off his protracted ritual to completely destroy him with no difficulty.
While I enjoy the topic and agree, it seems many points were missed or misunderstood: 1. The examples you gave are usually extreme situations, which shows why he was able to perform such feats. The whole point is that he can't do it consistently, which is why he lost so many fights as a student and even some later on. This examples just show the potential he actually had. For example, if you ask Naruto to do the things he did in the Sasuke fight, after he recovered, he would not be able to. In fact, he probably doesn't even remember half the things he did in that fight. But we know with enough training and practice he should be able to do it on command. 2. Another reason why Naruto was underestimated is that he had no one believe in him. Which is why he pulled off that crazy 1000 shadow clones in the first episode (Which yes, is way too many, but it was to highlight that point). After Iruka Sensei, showed trust in him, he was able to do way better. And yes having someone cheer on your side, can have a significant impact. Hence why a good amount of teams do better in the home advantage. 3. The gags and even the stragety against Zabuza's were not actual defeats, but more so a distraction. And yes even experience veterans can fall for an amateur's distractions. Notice how after that he ran or got out. He knew he couldn't beat the opponent, just created some time. Even in the Gaara fight, Gamabunta said the priority was on waking up the host. He knew he would not be able to defeat the tail beast, hence the strategy. Just some of the many points to consider.
I'm new to the whole series, I'm on season 6 of Naruto (when he's a child) I always view him as immensely high potential and very dangerous and skilled when he takes something seriously. When he's not focused he may appear weak to others in the anime. That's how I view him at least
Kakashi: ,,demon of the hidden leaf..." Zabuza: ,,what?" Kakasi: ,,One day, a boy, who wasnt even a ninja, without hesitation, beaten up hokage and his chuunin teacher into pulp. He didnt stopped unt he defeated our elite jounin ebisu as well. Naruto: ,,It was... Fun! When I was in hakus age... These hands has already beaten hokage."
TBF all Naruto lacks in this story is Chakra control training if you see what is his Trainings are during story: Chapter one he learns to Divide his chakra (tho really badly cause he divided all of his Massive pool into 1000 parts), he learns how to Water/Tree walk under Kakashi (at that point i question what were they doing in academy? just school, i guess), after that he learns Rasengan (which was three different Chakra control techniques at once), Elemental Chakra during Rasen-Shuriken arc and Finally Sage mode. All of that Kurama Chakra bs during war was a bit too much for me.
Rock lee lost, but he did the most damage to the big bad at the time. Sasuke copied him, when he didn't show much care for copying the techniques of others. Naruto was painted as the underdog, and it was the whole point of the Neji vs Naruto fight that destiny (i.e. being born a genius/into a powerful heritage) decided everything, which Naruto fights against. It's only through Naruto's hard work, clawing through the ground, that he beats Neji, a genius with the ability to see almost everywhere around him. Naruto the original series absolutely was about hard work...until it became clear that Naruto was the child of the hokage, heir to a powerful clan, the reincarnation of one of the strongest ninja alive and the recipient of the sage of six paths power up. Lee should have had the Madara fight instead of Guy, to complete the promise Guy made about helping Lee even at the expense of his life and to bring Lee's arc around.
I think its not about how he work hard and become powerhouse. Otherwise kishimoto would have made naruto like Rock lee and Guy not giving him nine tails and other stuffs. Well, Its about his journey from lowest point of life, despite all that hatred, poverty , criticism he suffer from and from loser to top of his generation. Throughout the series, what naruto lack isn't talent or bloodline which he already had better than anyone. What he lack was someone who can teach him to exolore his potential, family who loves and care for him, friends who help him, or opportunity to learn and become to powerhouse and mainly about getting acknowledge from village that he wasn't what people thought about him that's why he wanted to become hokage . Its about getting all these things which he did as story progress .....
I always thought of it as that was the entire idea around naruto, I remember watching the anime and getting absolute shocks everytime naruto took down somebody because he was so toned down and sad because od his life he had to lead. But when things started to overwhelm everyone around he beat every threat on his own. But obviously, he had massive chakra pool and kurama amps and a wit of his own !
While the idea that hard work beats talent isn't undermined by rock lee losing to gaara- he was always going to win but nobody expected rock lee to do as well as he did (if he was able to ignore his own pain better he would've won with the lotus). Rock Lee won a moral victory and earned the respect of his peers and rival. What undermines hard work beating talent is narutos lineage and nine tails.
@@Kyonarihard work beat talent is not the main them and Naruto was gifted form the very beginning by learn the clone jutsu very fast and everything was fine until the sage six of the paths give them power and he was hinted to be son of hogage in part one
Hard work vs talent is a main theme since it was established in part 1 since the early days Just like the theme of destiny vs forging your own path, it was thrown out in part 2
@@aceclover758 lee lost to gara how is that har work beat talent and Naruto was gifted form the very beginning did you forget that in the first few episodes he was able to learn a clone jutsu very fast and summoned a lot of them the cycle of hatred is the main them
So achiviments during gag scenes are supposed to be officially considered just like serious scenes? Right....and Sakura can punch and defeat Naruto anytime she wants in the beggining of the series, who is "kage level". Therefore, Sakura is kage level herself. Fascinating.
@FuckOuttaHere Well, looks like it only took 1 single case for to Dygo consider it. So, accordingly, it would only need 1 example. Also, Konohamaru would be Kage level as soon as he mastered the sexy no Jutso. And it's quite a easy, genin jutso. Basically all genins could be kage level by learning it. Incredible. Too bad for Orochimaru he didn't know it. He could have beat Hiruzen without losing his arms.
Gamabunta isn't like insects or puppets, the difference is in control. Insects and puppets are completely controllable because they don't have their own motives or morality, Gamabunta instead has its own will and Naruto sure, can summon him, but can't use him as he pleases. That's a huge difference.
But isn't that same fact applicable to every other ninja that summons him. Orochimaru has no control over Manda too. By that logic Jiraya can't attribute taking down three parts of pain to himself, since pa and ma give him access to sage mode, tongue that caught the chameleon and genjutsu
@@t-masterrules5085 Yes, it is the same for each summon that the character in question can't control completely. I agree that Jiraya couldn't attribute the paths of pain entirely to himself, he had help. Of course, he also had the skills needed to summon and utilise that help which should be counted. What I mean is that I consider summoning jutsu as a strength of a character, but if we're trying to establish the "general" strength of that character, I wouldn't count the strength of the summon in a one-to-one ratio. Let's say that Naruto has a strength of N, Gamabunta has a strength of G and by combining their abilities, as a team because of the synergy, they have a strength of (N+G)*some_ratio. So the difference between that strength and Naruto's base strength is (N+G)*some_ratio - N, let's call that X. I think that while trying to estimate Naruto's general strength we shouldn't simply count it as N+X but N + X*(ratio smaller than 1:1). The ratio should be based on the common values and personality traits that work well together vs the opposite. Of course, the example only works when the summon is not completely controlled by the summoner with the usage of, for example, genjutsu.
Knocking hiruzen out with sexy jitsu is as much a hokage level feat as having a piece of kryptonite in your pocket is a superman level feat. He had the chakra reserves to compete with kages, but the rest of his skill were subpar until he's gotten more training. His chakra control was below academy level until ebisu and jiraiya helped him. His skill and tactics were lacking but his shadow clones compensated by letting him make foolhardy suicidal charges without dying.
I don’t think you understand what a gag scene means. Logic does not apply to a gag scene, that is their entire purpose. Sexy jutsu worked on hiruzen because kishimoto thought it would be funny and that’s all there really is to it.
I feel like a lot of these examples are circumstances the kid was definitely something else when he went toe to toe with gaara but to call him kage level when he just started out is going over board most of those examples like knocking out the 3rd were cases of being caught off guard as you shown yourself even the strongest can be caught off guard from an attack they never expected (hell that's how madara fell) nobody expected this kid to pull a sexy justu using a basic move that's why it works plus as Jiraya's flash back pointed out the third is kind of a perv by your logic if Naruto could beat hiruzen he should have had no trouble with orochimaru yet orochimaru tossed him aside like a doll casually. Secondly the only reason Naruto won that fight against haku was because haku didn't want to kill him which he could have easily have done. Naruto making 10000 clones? irrelevant when going against someone who can move so fast most of the clones would be destroyed even if he got out of the mirrors haku was just too fast for him which brings up his absurd amount of chakra yea he had a lot of it but he was using it all wrong ebisu even said as much and that actually became a problem in the haku fight he tired himself out so much sasuke not only had to carry him through the fight but had to take a hit for him because he was too tired to move. Naruto showed promise but to call him a genius feels like an insult to his character saying his hard work meant nothing
You know, if you defended Naruto the same way you defended hiruzen, then he's kage level. It's like saying orochimaru killing the kazekage was a fluke because he was caught off guard Also,a thousand shadow clones would definitely make a difference cause I doubt the space within haku's ice mirrors is spacious enough to contain a thousand people. If at all, it will hinder haku traveling from one point to another so easily and a least a bunch of clones would break free through the spaces between the mirrors, which is a condition that significantly changes the course of battle. So you can't brush Naruto breaking through the mirror aside as nothing, otherwise Haku would have no need for trapping them in the mirror in the first place The only reason Naruto isn't kage level is because Kishimoto wants him not to be. The ability to make that much shadow clones is in itself a kage level feat not all kage can boast of. It's literally a super human army that have quick reflexes, can run on walls, walk on water 😂😂😂that's exactly what sasori did to take down a small country. If Naruto had poison over his kunais, he is comparable to sasori who was kage level
to be fair for all we know orochimaru killing the kazekage was a fluke again even the strongest character can be taken down by a sneak attack if he or she doesn't see it coming that's actually how Jiraiya dies. The problem with haku was his speed naruto making that many clones would have tired him out too so yea he gets out of the mirrors but then he's so exhausted and he's right back in the same situation he was in while in the mirrors too tired to move not to mention that the clones themselves would be made of paper because of how many he had to make in fact I'm pretty sure he made like near a hundreded clones to dog pile zabuza and all zabuza did was fling them off and they started to disappeared showing they have no durability at the time @@t-masterrules5085
@@lightyoshiman 😂come on man, the fact still remains that the clone's can deal heavy damage even if they easily disappear. Also, saying Naruto would be too exhausted to do anything afterwards just isn't true. He literally did the same thing with orochimaru at the chunin exams, he escaped being swallowed by a snake and still had enough strength to stop another giant snake from hitting Sasuke. He only passed out after orochimaru sealed his chakra. Also orochimaru killing the kazekage wasn't a fluke. He literally planned the whole thing 😂 how can you call an entirely planned outcome a fluke when it all goes according to plan. All you need to do is give Naruto intelligence and he's literally kage level as a kid with everything he has in his arsenal Multi shadow clones, kage level jutsu Rasengan, high jounin to kage level jutsu Chakra levels, kage level size Gamabunta, kage level summon 0 tails kyubi cloak, jounin level amp
Another factor most people don't consider: every shadow clone acts as an individual until they disappear, then their memories and experiences are ADDED to his existing ones, so when he summons 1000 shadow clones then fights, each one gives him a massive boost in combat experience and skill growth with each defeated clone, so that first episode we literally watch Naruto increase his abilities 1000x in a single move. That's a massive amount of growth in one move.
We also see how the fatigue transfers over when a clone pops during his wind style training in shippuden, so chakra volume aside that says a lot about his stamina considering the amount of clones we see get popped during his fights where he simply keeps going afterwards.
It’s a Shonen trope for the main character to be overpowered but it is usually buildup over time as the story progresses. Ichigo, Goku, Luffy and Yusuke are the same since they gradually became stronger later on when the series is near it’s climax.
there are still differences tho, while some reach early the point where they need to train, while characters like Luffy have 200 episodes till they actually get an opponent stronger than them so how much of a trope is it really?
Did Naruto really lose against Sasuke tho. I mean, he scratched the headband just like Sasuke dared him to. To me, it was pretty clear he would have won if he went for the kill.
For real. I have the same thoughts exactly. But we still have to give it to Sasuke since he could have killed the unconscious Naruto but chose not too, otherwise we invalidate a whole lot of wins like Kakashi beating Zabuza Naruto beating pain
When he summoned the 1000 clones he did use the 9 tails chakra, he was emotional trying to save someone and tapped into the 9 tails power, he used it against neji and didn’t get 9 tail eyes or cloak etc
The fact that Lee lost is what truly makes that fight perfect. Ideally, Lee would have won and all the kids/teenagers "like me" watching at the time would have been like "Yeah! hard work DOES pay off! I can do this!" While that's an important lesson, a better, more adult/realistic one, is that sometimes in life even if you work your hardest and give it your all, you'll still fail sometimes. Hard work doesn't mean anything if you're not willing to fail and keep going "get knocked down nine times; get up ten" (Toonami Tom)
He did not defeat a tailed beast. He woke gaara up. That’s not defeating the beast that’s putting it back away because they literally couldn’t. Words matter.
@@DygoKnight no, no it isn’t. He defeated GAARA. They cut off shukakus left arm before he even woke up. Then he simply punched gaara. This is not defeating or overpowering the spirit whatsoever.
@@DygoKnight you and I both know if shukaku had no jinchuriki it would absolutely annihilate gamabunta and Naruto. They aren’t on the same level whatsoever.
Currently 30, but coincidentally I was 12 when I started watching Naruto (dub on CN). In the dub Kakashi told Naruto when we meet Haki, “In this world there are people younger than you, that are stronger than me.” Fast forward to Naruto vs Gaara and I still remember thinking, “this is what he meant.”
*men, who didn't soloed a tailed beast with power's of living nuclear weapons at 12, naruto literaly mid not even chunnin* bro what is the actual fucking fuck people are in a war to see who is cringier over an irony *Wait, if naruto got stomped by kimimaro, does that means Sanes beats naruto no dif?*
@@HC-gm4fo He was not high Chunin level. Mizuki was a weakling Chunin and Naruto used a jutsu in that fight that he cannot use reliably. Naruto wasn’t high Chunin level until the beginning of Part 2. He reached Jonin level with the Rasen Shuriken and he reached Kage level with Sage Mode.
@@SunlightGwyn he wasn’t consistently that level. Naruto’s power fluctuated depending on his emotional state. Naruto on the great Naruto bridge with the kyubi power was already high jonin level
So a few things, First Hiruzen falling victim to the Sexy Jutsu happened differently in the manga and the anime. In the anime it happens when Hiruzen is telling Naruto to retake the picture for his ninja id, so I think we can give anime Hiruzen a pass. And in the Zabuza fight, Naruto only had to out maneuver Zabuza to where his only option was to dodge, forcing him to let go of the Water Prison Jutsu. Also you say Kurenai couldn't have taken 1-tail chakra cloak Naruto, but at that point in the story Naruto couldn't really do anything about genjutsu.
The other thing Kishi nerfed about Naruto was his stealth. The literal opening scene was him painting the Hokage Monument in broad daylight, in his “kill me orange” jumpsuit, for literal hours and didn’t get caught until he was almost done. That level of stealth was unmatched by anyone. Not even Uchiha or Orochimaru could match that level of stealth. And upon being discovered, Naruto outran Jonin and Anbu for several minutes and never got caught, except for Iruka. Combine that level of stealth and speed with Multi-Shadow Clone Jutsu… and you have a recipe for untold events throughout the lands. And it’s not like Naruto is an idiot savant at this. No. If he’s guided properly, his potential surpasses canon Naruto’s journey by leaps and bounds.
this is the literal definition of overanalyzing and interpreting things in a way that supports your point. had to wonder if it was a troll or not when the video started considering gags as a feat. i guess nami is actually the stronger mugiwara and could use haki since chapter 1 ? the reason why people think naruto becomes truly strong with senjutsu mode is because it's the first time he gets in a "real fight" with a "real opponent" without having to rely on kyuubi to match his opponent's level. aside for maybe gaara but if gaara wasn't in crazy mode when naruto fought him there would be nothing he could do against him without kyuubi. doesn't mean people don't know how strong naruto is prior to that, it's just that it's the moment he reaches the top league
I think it's worth mentioning that the Multi-Shadow Clone jutsu that Naruto learned while still being a genin is an A-rank ninjutsu, meaning it is a jonin level technique, and he came up with this brilliant idea to combo his normal Shadow Clones with the Transformation jutsu. He was even able to outsmart Kiba with that combo while Kiba was using his increased smell, so by that point Naruto was showing Kage level of intelligence, many few would come up with such a combo idea.
Shino is also kage level in part one, he's just not a show off. He has the most successful missions of any genin in his generation and has canonically never failed a mission up into Boruto. He was literally chosen to be part of the root before age 10 because Danzo recognized his talent, only because Torune Aburame volunteered was he not selected.
I would also add that he was from the uzumaki clan, which gave him natural high amounts of chakra on top of being a reincarnate of ashura. Despite the message about the underdog beating the talented, Naruto always was kind of gifted and already started out with 3 really big amps (uzumaki dna, reincarnate possession + the strongest of the tailed beasts he can tap into for chakra boosts). That already made him one of the strongest in the leaf village, all he needed was people to guide him towards profiting from his natural amps more effecvtively.
Summoning Gamabunta is even more evidence of him being atleast near Kage level, considering that all 3 Sannin have a Giant Kaiju Summon as a Signature move.
I watched that video and remember laughing nonstop about it. While I don't agree with everything he says in the video, it was fun going through many of Naruto's foes and seeing how well they stacked up to him in terms of raw potential and destiny. This ended up coming out with people like Gaara looking more like the underdog than he did. Justice for the sand village, I guess lols.
I love you're channel , what im going to say isn't necessarily about this video , but I just want to tell you how you've impacted me with you're opinions and just funny commentary and sarcasm lol and I love how you don't give a damn what anybody thinks about you're opinions which you are entitled to by the way. but nonetheless there are still bully like RU-vidrs that hate on you for some reason even tho I can think of many but one popular reason is just jealousy lol unfortunately this RU-vid world is competitive and when you are naturally talented like yourself and rise above the ranks faster than someone else for example like SIX WHO HAS HAD THEIR CHANNEL FOR AWHILE , they might resent you and just try to bully you in there own way and disguise it as a playful debunking video lol. but anyway like bro every time I watch a video of yours im either cracking up or super glued to the screen and ready to chime in and put my two cents in the comment section lol like I am right now haha. But anyway my names Mia and I am a very well versed and avid reader and watcher of all Naruto content , I've watched literally every episode of part one Naruto , shippuden etc like a hundred times..... Also every piece of work Kishimoto has written even non Naruto or burrito anime manga lol. and well im not trying to brag lol but my point is its refreshing to hear you speak on Naruto and Burrito even if you might be younger than me , but im just so tired of these kids literally born during the pandemic and giving they're opinions and objections but never read the manga or worst of all ever even watched OG Naruto lmaooooo smh and they really be in the comment section talking about toner vs Naruto isn't cannonnnnnnnnnnnnnn 🙄 its like omg shuuuuut up y'all r literally pandemic babies lol. anyway DygoKnight you always seem to be in my head, the whole nerfing sasuke crap omg I thought the same and had the same amount of anger. And when he had lost the curse mark so quickly ? it didn't make sense from a viewers and writers perspective , he could have still given the same emotional impact with itachi dying and taking orochimaru out of him in the process , he still could have done that and kept the curse mark. I mean look at dumb ass anko , she still got her curse mark , maybe it aint that cool she still has it. and apparently it can even bring orochimaru back to life lol so it might not be all that lame after all. he could have totally ran with it and gave sasuke more fight scenes and meaningful character development while still allowing us to enjoy this awesome transformation. And ofc I understand why writers nerf ppl , its just why ruin such an amazing piece of work lol just to what ? give him MS? both things could have been done without taking away the curse mark. I remember wanting to leave work just see an episode with that version of sasuke in his version 2 state curse mark. it was dope asf and im sure it even made some of the younger kids super excited to come home from school just to watch an episode of Naruto lol. and I love those episodes of rewriting Naruto part one , your suggestions where spot on and would have made for great content frfr.
