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@McGavel1 8 лет назад

Thanks for the great info. Tell me it wouldn't be funny though if Phil Ivey was watching this video and you're like, "You're not f$&*in Phil Ivey." Lol.

@Utubesuxmycock 12 лет назад

thanks, i really needed this, sometimes i get kinda crazy and play super loose and end up trying to chase some ridiculous draw hand with few outs against calling stations at a 1-2. playing tight and narrow is boring but its better than being broke

@MelFinehout 9 лет назад

I agree with the premise but too little emphasis on position. If you can't play 77, 98s, A3s etc from the button when folded to you, then sure. But then your problem is to learn poker. My .02

@bones7811 11 лет назад

i have been playing this concept for two years now at 2-5nl and consistly beating the game.the only thing different i do is for the first two hours i will paly alot of hands with a huge range while using the small ball theory and showing alot of my hands.then really narrow my range later on and get all the chasers to pay large amounts of over bets wen im actually holding the nuts.thus has really worked well for me in the past two years

@robertpaten 11 лет назад

This guy is spot on for the lower stake games, even more so for live 1/2. When I go down to the local casino to play 1/2 around the pay day dates of the month, my play has to change to compensate for these semi-business men who seem to call you down with top pair raggy kicker when there are 4 cards to a straight. Although its boring you're there to make money and not to make fancy plays against these drunk calling stations who are out on a works party.

@NaihanchinKempo 12 лет назад

one reason is any hand that calls your raise will be ahead of KQ so the range that calls has AQ AK in it (dead meat then)..and the pairs that call 10s to Aces are slightly to massively ahead at least preflop

@Jlwweb 11 лет назад

They can get a better read on you when you have a narrow range. However, they are more likely to be bluffed out if they think you are a really tight player with a bunch of scare cards on the board. Just depends. His advice is sound for sure. It also depends how you bet it too, the right bets can throw reading off.

@ChannelJoeE 8 лет назад

It's a tough one with the $1/2 games. It's a donk fest with half the table limping in with any two cards even if you raise 3, 4, even 5 times the big blind. I've forgotten the number of times I raised like that with AA, KK or AK, only to lose to a fucktard with 74o who calls all the way to the river and get 2 pair. Or some dumb shit calling with K3c, call all the way to the river although he hasn't hit anything and they get runner runner flush. Or those who think their 83o is good enough to call an all-in raise preflop and hit trip 3s against AK. They say donks are there for easy profit. But shit. Even if you lose to one donk per table, they outnumber you easily 10:1. That's 10 tournaments lost to one donkey at a time...

@nobonespurs 7 лет назад

good summary Joe, 2-5 cash game , 99 makes it 20, Kings raise to 40, 8 2 calls, and I raise to 140 with AA, and only 99 folds. on flop KK fold but 82 calls

@NandE460 7 лет назад

Joe i go through the same thing its making me want to quit poker i kid u not.....thats the best way to put it donkeys outnumber you!! Smh

@least_bw1775 7 лет назад

Joe E there's a reason the pros don't play 72offsuit, and it's because it's a losing play. if donks call you down with weak hands and get lucky, be happy you're in that game. 80% of the time aces are gonna be winning against those weak hands, 2/3 of the time AK will win against two unpaired cards. there's gonna be more variance when people play loose, but if you think that donks are impossible or even hard to beat with a narrow range you either have some serious leaks or you haven't played enough to get through the variance.

@ChannelJoeE 7 лет назад

+David Morasch. I agree with you 100%...albeit, only in theory. You'd be 100% correct in cash games where I can simply re-buy-in after getting donked, and exploit that donk's tendency to play rubbish to destroy him. Alas. I rarely ever play cash games. I only ever mainly play MTT. Perhaps, I should just move up in stakes and just get outplayed, as then I can at least admit that I've been outplayed. At micros, you rarely ever come up against the same person twice. I may "survive" coin flips with 2, 3, 4, 5 donks, it just takes 1 more to make completely reckless/-EV play, yet, boots me out of the tournament. And I'll never face that player again. Take this one for example. Last Saturday, I played $7.50 Progressive KO. Survived the shit storm that is donks going all-in with any Ax, Kx, any pair, any suited connectors. Made it past the final 50... Final 50!! I thought all the donks were gone by then. Blinds are $10,000/20,000. I have about $150,000. I'm in BB. UTG limps in. Everyone folds to SB, who limps in. I raise 3xBB with AK. UTG, who clearly showed weakness by just limping in UTG goes all-in. I put him on Kx. I called. He turns KT. He flopped two pair with KTQ flop. I mean, what can I do? Or maybe me calling that all-in with AK was a -EV move and I was the donk? In any case, my point is, there are just too many of them. And it only takes one of them to totally suck you out and that's my tournament finished...

@least_bw1775 7 лет назад

Joe E you're not wrong that you got coolered there, especially like 8 blinds deep there's no way you're folding tptk. two things though: first off complaining about donks kicking you out of a tourney isn't worth the energy. you're gonna lose almost every MTT you play. it's a pretty luck based style with how fast blinds go up. even if you're twice as good as a standard player in a 100 person MTT, a small one, you're only gonna win 2% of the time. plus it sounds like if you're getting excited about making the final 50 they're much bigger, meaning you'll lose more often. it takes a ridiculous amount of coin flips to win an MTT. second, you should really be open shoving AK 7.5 big blinds deep. in that situation it wouldn't have mattered, but in situations where neither of you flop a pair it's much easier to play strong hands like broadways when there's no more betting.

@TheRounderz 12 лет назад

i think it also has to do with what types of tables that the professionals are playing at, which determines how wide these poker players ranges are. High stakes cash tables with their widest range while lower limits or larger full ring tables with less range

@team_solidts-jad902 10 лет назад

I play well in a shorthanded 3-5 player scenario so I get frisky with a k7, 107 suited, ect. But in a 6-9 handed game I raise after I get my image of a solid player with 4/5, 5/6, 6/7, 7/8 (♥ these hands even unsuited) when I have good position or a good feeling so when I hit, & c bet they automatically presume bluff.

@djrainydave 9 лет назад

same here, suited connectors u gotta love them :D

@ManiacPoker 12 лет назад

Great video for beginners,a tight range will make most of your games easier, then if your opponents only see you showing down good cards and they start to fold more to your raises,Therefore losing value on your good hands,, pick a spot and bet into then with nothing. Next step play a few SitNgoes without looking at your hole cards. good luck at the tables everyone.

@jamesrodriguez1270 12 лет назад

hey man! This is my first comment EVER. I had to say...Thank You. I work @ intel from 6pm to 6am....long nites even longer down time. all i do is watch poker (highstakes GSN, PAD) and your videos. I admit i WAS a losing poker player I NOW NARROW my range! its obvious too mee how somone can make a living play cards. My opponets call call call, i just raise raise raise. easy too do when you only Play TOP 10%. Thank you man. ANY Time you IN AZ come play @ Talkingsticks I would make you proud.

@SchoolofCards 12 лет назад

Yea personally i would re-pop all of the time. Especially if the btn is weak. AQ is way ahead of his range. It sucks that your oop, but you need to extract value.

@daewoolan0s 12 лет назад

the reason they can play any 2 cards is because they have very good table awareness and can read their opponents. if they know their opponent is weak they can bluff and vise versa, if the opponent is strong they can get out of the hand.

@clayman1982 11 лет назад

This lesson is titled: 'How to be predictable and lose all your money' ;) I understand the point but.....I would recommend lowering your stakes if you are not comfortable playing say Q10 or 67... Just my opinion. Playing premium only is boring and not very profitable (IMHO). You will get to see a lot of cards and learn though....I would say this is the best lesson you'll learn from this advice

@Santana105 12 лет назад

Don't fold JJ pre-flop unless there's huge aggression from other players. You just have to play it and be able to let it go if the situation warrants it. Most players hate JJ because they end up losing when they keep calling when they should fold it.

@freddii89 12 лет назад

Study your opponents when your not playing, watching how they play cetain hands (if you see what they showdown), light table chat, grab some food and drink, take an ipod, basically just make yourself at home at the table, keep yourself amused. Just going to a table and sitting there folding folding folding will be really boring, so just get comfortable and enjoy yourself, makes it easier to wait for the good spots to play and you'll play better when you have a hand if your in a positive move. =)

@xwolfofwarx 12 лет назад

JJ is a fantastic hand if played right. Most people put too much value on it though, and treat it like pocket kings. Just be prepared to toss them like you would 10s or 99.

@dominion4eto 12 лет назад

I sometimes wish I was playing bigger games so I could rep the hands I want to rep...but then again it's much easier to stack somebody off with value bets and range merges when he calls with TPGK anyway...

@JoeD2209 12 лет назад

Toughest lesson to learn........and one of the great ironies of poker......you'll make more money, and be a better player...by playing less hands. Very tough to do, very difficult concept to grasp......get fired up to go to the card room and play cards......and the smartest thing to do is play less hands. It's a struggle, it takes tremendous patience and will and is easily the biggest leak at the lower limit tables. Blake- what's the best way to keep folding until we are in the best spots? Thx!

@TheMitchellWhite 12 лет назад

Finally we get a teacher that is articulate and knows what he is talking about. Not some mumbling half wit that plays completely on gut feeling.

@SchoolofCards 12 лет назад

@spikeraw22 I have started cursing less in my life and in my videos. A statement is a statement, just because it has profanity doesn't mean it doesn't have value. Ignoring information because it's not presented in a format that suits your definition of "professional" doesn't really make sense. But yes, i will tone down the cursing.

@jf041 12 лет назад

Keep it up, i think your tips are helpful and to the point

@NaihanchinKempo 12 лет назад

I know this is an old post but most times theyre calling because of a monster hands\draws bigace suited or pairs over jacks they dont need to raise..btw SB is out of pos fold AQ you only lost the min if you fold and SB is OOP

@daewoolan0s 12 лет назад

ill 4 bet kq suited in late position into a limp pot but thats about it. jacks on the other hand i love, good for a pre flop raise and they are so easy to let go post

@MCHellraiser88 12 лет назад

Yep. No sense in playing shit like 9-6s if you need trips or better to make any kind of play and still aren't good enough to know where you're at. Better off narrowing your range to hands that tend to win showdowns and keeping most pots small. I think this is especially true online because for me personally at least it is much more difficult to put a player on a specific hand. Ranges tend to be pretty crazy because many people think the same way as the guy you replied to.

@cmonman103 11 лет назад

A) you want bad hands to call you down so change your thinking B) If bad beats really bother you stop playing 1-2 for sure, and possibly stop playing altogether

@electrostatic1 12 лет назад

I agree that tight is right, one question, though ... What are your feelings with lower pairs or suited connectors, just paying to see the flop and getting out if you miss?

@G_Ellis606 10 лет назад

Narrow your range = easy to read player....

@jtslev 10 лет назад

You would be surprised. In lower stakes, your general opponents wont be trying to read you like you might think.

@TankAssTanner 10 лет назад

While definitely true, to echo the other person's reply, the biggest mistake at low stakes is to assume that the other players at the table are good players and are making reads on you. Usually there will be 1, maybe 2, other solid players, but most there are simply recreational and are completely oblivious. Playing tighter overall against weak players is good in the long run. Now you can mix it up later, which I like to do after showing down the goods consistently after a decent amount of time. If I sense weaker players have finally picked up on the fact I am playing tighter and keep folding to my bets with made hands, THEN that is the time to go in weak and make a move every orbit or two.

@johnstack5008 9 лет назад

Look for better games if your opponents are good at hand reading.

@NaihanchinKempo 12 лет назад

i miss stated that comment a little. i play mostly online and it seems everytime i get jacks i get nailed..most times i would call one raise or limp jacks or min raise but it depends

@gabrielleung 12 лет назад

So very true. I think the problem is that everyone thinks they're Tom Dwan. Let's go all in with 9/4 suited

@jbarres80 10 лет назад

Even thou this is common sense it's a Refreshing video thanks man

@wim_tk 12 лет назад

It's how I play at my local poker game, I'm pretty unlucky though and huge suckouts are common for me, even so I still end most games with a decent profit or a small loss.

@badmts 11 лет назад

no magic just patience,all i play are AA,KK,QQ,AKs,AQs,and if I can limp in blinds or button I will but no fancy cute stuff.I just got in from a session where I played 3.5 hrs and played 7 hands and only lost on river once( his AA vs my QQ all in preflop). bought in once for $300 cashed out $662.I am way more nit than donk and I am sure I fold a few winners on the flop but I will get better

@RonZucker 12 лет назад

I'm heading to AC tomorrow to play these games. I am NOT Phil effin' Ivey. But it's always good to be reminded of that before I leave. Thank you. (Oh, and I find your phrasing and swearing hilarious. Don't change!)

@braileanul 11 лет назад

if someone narrow his range , he's much easier to read by astute oppeonents good players know how to play versus a narrow range . i believe i almost can too

@SmokeRingsPipeDreams 10 лет назад

"Tight Aggressive"

@Beanmachine91 5 лет назад

small ball is great in sit n gos

@clayman1982 11 лет назад

Poker 'coaches' remind me of Tony Robbins but without the success. They mostly just sell encouragement. If you think you need a coach.....save your money and play 1000s or microstake hands. It will give you a feel for the game better than almost any coach. However I totally respect this channel. It gives knowledge away for free! Some is even useful :)

@clayvision 2 года назад

Yeah I mean Ive been playing poker for half my life and even I stick to a similar range playing even 1/2, 2/5 nitting up takes an even bigger edge at the lower stakes

@JoeDubs432 12 лет назад

its easy for tom to rep a set in this hand , tom could very easily have a hand like queens or pocket tens .... im sure the optimal play is to just call the flop,, its phil ivey...cmon'.......... but the call on the turn was pushing it ..i dont know if i could have called....., but great call at that point , then the river that’s a different story all together...

@jamesrodriguez1270 12 лет назад

i think. (just my opinion) if your trying to get lucky by beating a pair (assume the person in the pot with you has one and you dont w/ your SC's) why not raise and give your connectors a chance to hit BIG and give a some deception to with you raise with....Keep em guessing.

@GokuTheSuperSaiyan1 10 месяцев назад

KQ is a good hand from UTG

@SchoolofCards 12 лет назад

@doluseb Not Phil Ivey, Thats why i often narrow my range.

@riedstep 12 лет назад

as good advice as this is for online poker it doesnt work for live play imo. ill draw an ace or pocket pair like 1 time in an hour and flop air. when i do hit the flop which happens maybe once every 2 hours everyone folds. i think the key sometimes is to limp and catch big hands or get out cheaply. and also to know your opponents and when you can bluff. waiting for a big hand doesnt work in live games unless ur just crazy lucky.

@SchoolofCards 12 лет назад

The average players is not always capable of making "good reads" The better you are at reading opponents the more you can open your range. You don't gain value by making good reads. The goal is to extract maximum value. You do this by making good reads. If you have a hard time making good reads. Like many players. You need to narrow your range. It's a very simple principle.

@SuperDonster 12 лет назад

KQ isn't bad if 1)you know what flops you need and 2) GET RID OF THEM when the board is bad

@bytedildo 12 лет назад

Ok, what about situations where I have, let's say AQs on SB and and a hyper agressive guy makes a bet on CO , BTN calls, should I repop him ? Basically I think I should always 3-bet him if I am last in the pot with him, but the guy on a BTN makes a call and has position. I also know that BTN knows the guy befor him is a hyper and the question I seldom ask myself is, why is he just calling ?

@hunrb27 11 лет назад

I have quit for the most part. I will be back playing again in the near future. I honestly do not enjoy playing much right now.

@PokerInTheBrain 12 лет назад

I love reading all these "pro comments".

@JoeDubs432 12 лет назад

wow , thanks so much kingcoach , didn't realize you could get such a feel for my game after i make one statement, , thanks keep up the good work!

@hiphopknights 11 лет назад

The best players in the world still play tight such as Hellmuth and Erik Seidel, Brunson and Johnny Chan. You can be a top pro and still play tight which is the most profitable style of poker to play.

@nomakym 12 лет назад

Maybe you should read a poker book, those are both fine hands, just don't overplay them like they are automatically the winner. KQ is nothing, not high card nor a pair, you need to wait for the right position, and board, and Jacks on down to deuces you can play the same, wait for a set to go all in, depending on the board and circumstances of course.

@SchoolofCards 13 лет назад

@Foreverguga1 You are completely missing the point of this video. Most people aren't good enough to realize that the blinds are nits or how to properly adjust to the nits when they 3bet you from the big blind. If you feel comfortable its perfectly acceptable to open your range. For most amateur players when they tend to open their range without truly understanding the game they begin to hemorrhage cash.

@GrandmaBetty1945 13 лет назад

@SchoolofCards What type of stakes are you talking about? I feel comfortable opening my range at NL50 and higher because I get a feel for players tendencies but lower than that the only way to go is to be a nit and outplay everybody based on better hand selection indeed. Vs bad players opening my range is indeed a bad idea from my experience But I assume your advice does not apply to micro/low stakes

@SchoolofCards 12 лет назад

As long as you have no trouble when they call and your OOP. thats cool. I'm always a fan of raising : )

@MCHellraiser88 12 лет назад

LOL @ this! Yes, lots of "great players" out there who "don't need cards" to "win." When they start failing to understand your aggression they fall back on their shitty habits of calling from OOP and decide to "outplay" you. You invariably find these "great players" in the micros and they're always so "unlucky" When they try to outplay a guy raising wide OTB who sucks them in with a disguised hand. But they make "correct folds" vs almost any face card when they have you "figured out." Love it.

@nobonespurs 11 лет назад

thats what I run into, bad players chasing and hit often enough when there are enough bad players, that Iose no matter how good a hand or good the betting

@shelvinmaharaj6998 12 лет назад

how do u three bet. i always get called.... i been a donk on pokerstars.. but have learned a lot in the past month.. and now im winning,,,

@Blackwingeddragon888 12 лет назад

I'm playing mostly in tourneys at microstakes on pokerstakes. the range of opponents at this level seems really eclectic, but most seem to play just about any two cards. how narrow a range should I play, bearing in mind the quickly rising blinds?

@Utubesuxmycock 12 лет назад

no shit, i played a 1-2 for a few hours and saw trip jacks dominate hand after hand. every monster hand would be trip jacks and i made one monster, a full boat with jacks, was sick as shit. at the end of the night nobody was laughing at jacks anymore

@Edinburgh_Bathrooms_Kitchens 11 лет назад

If you cant 3bet it ,fold it, if you cant 4bet it dont 3 bet it and if you cant ship it dont 4bet it is my motto. But then im a busto assed van driver that works the graveyard shift. : (

@noahmcdaniel4920 4 года назад

How do you advise playing super super small stakes, like $3 mtts and single table tournaments, or like .05/.10? I’ve only played online so I don’t know if these games even exist in in real life. Do you still just play strong hands against them? I’m just trying to learn so I have to play these tiny stakes but all the lessons online basically tell you how to play against players who are playing much higher stakes and obviously are better and more serious players in general. I’m guessing you just play everyone on tiny stakes like LAG’s until you get information on them

@MasterJed 12 лет назад

woohoo without doubt that is really top shelf cant miss the next one

@bebo3ful 12 лет назад

I find Ace and a low card to be quite difficult to play as well.

@bigreag84 4 года назад

I learned from this video that it takes Blake exactly 3:26 to climax.

@snapsalot 11 лет назад

I only play AA or KK but think I may need to narrow my hand range as I am not Phil Ivey.

@fRe3eezY 12 лет назад

say do you play online as well as live poker ? are you giving this advice on tournament play or actually cash games ????

@spyu 12 лет назад

I feel comfortable calling a 6 bet all in PF w/ any two cards 1000bb deep.

@NaihanchinKempo 12 лет назад

9 out of 10 times if i fold JJ i was correct to fold 9 times out of 10 when i dont fold it i get nailed..jacks is one of those dominated pairs hands that call had an ace or are QQ KK or AA most hands calling jacks dominate jacks same with KQ ..hands that call KQ dominate it as well

@christiansuarez7066 12 лет назад

What if your just being handed crap cards? this happened to me at Atlantic City. I litterally sat for a few hours " narrowing my range " and I got crap for cards.

@z3219825 12 лет назад

JJ in position is a powerful hand

@dmghoster 11 лет назад

i have question for you??? poker school how win do you have in world poker tour or heart land poker tour or wsop rind event???????

@tsikwboy 11 лет назад

"I have time to watch and learn and usually hit the flop." do u have a magic trick for hitting flops more than 1/3 ?

@hunrb27 11 лет назад

I 100 percent agree with you on your concept here. On the other hand it is so damn annoying when donks play any two cards and end up sucking out and beating you. It has happened to me so many f-en times at the shitty 1- 2 and 2-5 tables you are talking about. Many times i even 100 percent tip off the strength of my hand, and the f-en idiots will stll call me down. Damn it frustrates the dogshit out of me!!!

@JoeDubs432 12 лет назад

i like to three bet light alot

@happentodie 10 лет назад

are all these videos you make all teaching live poker skills , or both online and live

@omrak2000 11 лет назад

This was awesome tutorial!! Thank you!!

@JoeDubs432 12 лет назад

yes it was, i agreee with what you say ,but, direct it someone else , i wasn't looking for a rebuttal for a one line statement i made, it wasn't directed at you , i was simply saying a like to three bet "light " a lot, -not all the time, and im not saying i do threebet light a lot, im simply saying that its fun to do so..i like to three bet light... you shouldn't criticize someone for a one liner, was intended as a laugh for someone i posted this video to anyway, as an inside joke...

@PersianMG 11 лет назад

No the real tip is play higher stakes with a wide range. People call anything on tables with blinds < 1/0.50

@bitukukuasukgremany3 6 лет назад

Seven years later and still true :D

@ep3hondaLover 11 лет назад

i dont know what poker clubs you go to but the ones i frequent, i swear they people will pay u off just to see if you were making a move pre flop......

@learneroftruth8025 11 лет назад

In a 1/2 or 2/5, you know there are alot of tight players who only open with top 8 hands, so why not play the 67 suited and call 7BB pre to win his stack if you hit. You only invested 7BB to win 200-300BB because you know fish aren't folding AA or AK if they hit an A or a K.....not ever. I've been called down to the river with people who hold on to AK no matter how much or how many bullets you fire, they think Ace high is good, or that 1 pair is good in 4 way heavy action post flop play.

@gabrielleung 12 лет назад

You'd be surprised. I've only played online and I see people raising preflop with J/6,10/3 offsuit.

@hotcai1 11 лет назад

Great start! "Narrow your fucking range!"

@joemorales8 12 лет назад

lol.. I just lost with KQ this week. My buddy lost with it 5 hands later. It happens.

@ThePumpkinHead1 12 лет назад

i thought this was a comedy video.... actually kinda is funny that people are coming here to learn how to play poker, and even teaching it

@dragoshee 11 лет назад

on what limits do you play in atlantic city?

@AdamCRaulli 12 лет назад

Great advice. Very true.

@umarov081 12 лет назад

MEN I LIKE YOUR VIDEO IS VERY USEFULL, WOULD LIKE TO TAKE COME CLASSES, NEVER HEARD OF POKER SCHOOL, THOUGH LIVE IN VEGAS....

@Archtila 11 лет назад

A question: If all idiots in Vegas play all kind of ranges why should I only play top 10%. I should play all hands that dominated their range. Wich means if they play KJ,KT..Kx etc i should also play KQ against those oponents. Also to play pairs for setvalue vs fish who never fold is another goldmakeing play.

@fRe3eezY 12 лет назад

but i agree on low limits narrow ur range, fancey play doesnt work !!

@lionel123ification 11 лет назад

lol, i like your vids man.... but surely if your playing like 2/5 or something, you should be opening wider than A10 on the BTN??

@awesomelifeihave 11 лет назад

dude your vids are really good thanks man keep em up

@godly04 11 лет назад

This information would have been good to have..... 5 years ago when 99% of players didn't realize it :P

@SchoolofCards 12 лет назад

i hate KQ. i should make a video on the reasons why. thanks.

@kingcoach13 12 лет назад

DEPENDS ON LOTSA THINGS: POSITION,TABLE IMAGE,WHETHER YOU'RE UP OR DOWN..3-BETTING CAN BE A GOOD WEAPON.YOU CAN ALSO GET YOUR NOSE BIT OFF.THAT USUALLY HAPPENS WHEN YOU LEAST NEED IT TO HAPPEN. SAYING YOU DO ANYTHING "ALOT" MEANS YOU'RE CONSISTENT & PREDICTABLE.. BAD. INSTEAD YOU SHOULD BE UNPREDICTABLE,CONSTANTLY CHANGING GEARS & KEEPING PEOPLE OFF-BALANCE & OUT OF THEIR COMFORT ZONE IN POTS AGAINST YOU.YOU NEED TO CHANGE UP DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES.. OTHERWISE.. NOT GOOD.