I film at 60fps, and export videos at the source framerate (60fps). Most of my content wll go on youtube, with a few going on social media. So with my timeline settings being set to 60fps, everything is buttery smooth for me and my a7v :)
Great video! As a beginner I was confused about what framerate to shoot sports in, as I didn't want the whole video in slo-mo & you don't really have time to switch between 25p / 50p during a game. That's cleared that up for me, I'll just shoot for convenience at 50p/100p
Only way to fix it is to use a gimbal and a slower shutter speed like 1/120th at 120fps. The only other idea would be to have 2 cameras side by side at the different frame rates. That would be overkill though.
@@daniel_sturgessso you basically slow down your 120 fps footage to 25% in a 30 fps timeline and then again speed it up again using optical flow or how do you mean?
The dual camera setup was popular when 3D filming was beginning to catch on and there were no dedicated 3D cameras. I'm pretty sure I've seen a special mount for two side-by-side GoPros and here it would be pretty easy to do 120fps on one and 30fps on the other
Wow, i did not know about the jittering effect 120fps can cause. thank you for also finishing with a recomendation rather than just giving us probelms but no solutions ahah
For a video to look perfectly smooth, the shutter angle of the camera must be 360 (as is for the human eye) and the FPS of the display must match (or be a multiple) of the FPS of the camera. Otherwise some video artifacts (like jittering) are visible. Not all people notice video artifacts because their reflexes and visual perception ability vary greatly from person to person.
Depends how you perceive quality. If you are judging quality by how much info/data there is in each frame there then you're correct. But if you are looking at a video holistically, then a video played back at 60fps will have twice the quality of a 30p video because the viewer will experience twice as many frames with a 60p video therefore twice as much data.
This video highlights the problem I'm seeing as a newbie filming my son's basketball games. The common RU-vid advice to just film at a higher frame rate makes sense when the entire clip will be SloMo, but when you can't do that (fast action sports), you have the problem stated in this video, jitter due to dropped frames. Thanks for making this video to explain this situation properly. For me, 24/30FPS is too blurry for the fast action and all the whipping and zooming from the middle court sideline I have to shoot from. So I go with 60fps to minimize the blur. I prioritize less full speed blur over more jittery slo mo of 60fps slowed down 50% on a 60fps time line. But that's because I film to document the whole game with slomo being few and far between. If it were the other way around and I was making a highlight film, then I would prioritize the Slo motion and put the 60fps clip on a 30fps time-line and live with the full speed jitter. Seems like it's a trade off with no way around it unless you had 2 cameras and 2 people, one doing 24/30 and the other 60fps to bring in slo-mo into the 24/30 footage. Does that seem right or am I missing something?
Everything you said was right. But I'm not sure what you mean when you say that 24/30fps is too blurry and that's why you shoot in 60fps. Frame rate doesn't affect blurriness. 60 and 30 have a different look so it's ok to prefer one over the other but blurriness has nothing to do with it though.
Great explanation! My only question is when shooting at 60fps and using the 180 shutter rule… when editing on 30p timeline do I need to add motion blur to anything that I leave full speed that isn’t action/fast paced? If so how much motion blur do you recommend?
this video is so informative! Learned something new about 120fps that I did not know before! The footage in this video looks amazing. What type of lens and f stops are you shooting on?
That's very true. But when filming sports, it's impossible to know in advance which plays are going to be slow-motion worthy and which won't be. So you don't really have a choice if you intend to play with speed ramping in post.
Why can't you simply use an average filter (which will bring back some of the natural motion blur) instead of frame skipping to reduce 120fps to 30fps?
I’m not sure I understand the question. What filter are you talking about? Also, frame skipping is not really a choice. It’s just what happens when the footage frame rate doesn’t match the sequence.
Thanks for this! Question, we screen record interviews and then remove the background. What fps do you recommend recording in? Now we have used 60fps, imported into Final Cut Pro to 25fps.. and there are lots of issues, for instance hand movement is blurry and messed up... Do you recommend 120fps or do 60fps and import same 60fps into FXP?
I definitely recommend recording your footage in the same frame rate as your final sequence. So 60 for 60 or 25 for 25. But your main issue is probably that you are using interlaced footage in a progressive sequence.
Mr. E. I am not a video shooter, but 99.5% still photography. Still, I like to get action video and smooth slow motion. Right now, I understand that if I shoot at 120 fps, which my camera and cell phone can do, and play it back at, say, 30 fps, I get slow motion. I also understand a rule is to set the camera shutter speed at double the frames per second. Ok, I can do that. But, what happened last night my family and I were watching my grandson play guitar in a high school show. My son, who is not into photography at all, told me to set my frame rate in my cell phone to 120, and it will come out normal speed when played back. Thinking that my cell would always play at 24 or 30 fps, I told him the presentation will play in slow motion. He said no, it will play normally. I am not aware, right now, if my phones playback speed can be altered, so I thought slow motion. I shot a test of my son walking toward me and played it back. It came out normally, not slowmo. I am not aware of the idea of recording at 120 and playing back at 120 fps, but is that what the phone is doing by default. I don't understand your video in that regard. I am not into my video capabilities with my camera or phone, other than the simple basics. Thanks.
If you record at 120fps on a phone or a camera, the playback will remain at normal speed until you slow it down yourself in post production. Here's a video that may help you understand how it all works ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Da-bS7a35zM.htmlsi=7tsA8fUQRu_wMsO2
I shot a snowboard video at 120 fps and have the project edited in Filmora. It looks fine untill i export it and then i get the jitters and missing frames. Cant figure out how to correct it.
I work on embedded software, and much of the 5-10 year old software still running out there might not take into account the latest in tech. So your stabilization software running inside your camera might've been designed and tested with 60->30fps reduction, but not 120->30fps reduction. Since this software recognizes only very small movements at 120fps, it doesn't use nearly as much stabilization, so these videos look herky jerky like the old camcorders that didn't have any stabilization nor correction at all.
There's way too much motion blur at those shutter speeds for my taste. Double my frame rate is the bare minimum for me. But to each their own. If it works for you, keep doing what you're doing.
Depends what your goal is. If you just want to watch the video in real time, 30p is fine. But if you want to make highlight reels with slow motion and speed ramping, you need to film in 60 or 120p.
@@BeyondTheGame_E I shoot the entire match to present it to the coach and players. Is it better to shoot 30 or 24? Is shooting in 4K better? Or do I shoot FHD?
I came here from your budget sports cameras of 2022 video. I’m looking for a camera to film rugby games. I’d like full field view for coaching purposes but would also like the option to start trying to get some cinematic clips on other games. I have zero experience with videography.
When you talk about field of view, this is not really related to cameras per say. It’s all about the lens you use with your camera. And unfortunately there isn’t one perfect lens that will do everything in high quality. Here’s a video that might help you understand this better ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-omGdWeu0LLg.html
Great Video. I have been grinding away on my paintball content and use GoPros since I am a sponsored athlete, but I want to get back into DSLR again. I used to have a lumix g85 which I loved, but the Sony zv e10 seems great with the autofocus for sports. I will primarily be using this camera for vlogging to replace my gopro but also I want to get into filming action on the side. I primarily shoot 5k 24/30fps vlog, and 2.7k 60fps paintball action with 120 fps for the b-roll. I hear the Sony camera isn't the best with 1080p but different youtubers videos look different of course. You think the zv e10 is the better sports camera under $1k that will get the job done in filming clean 1080p 60/120 fps along with the 4k 24 which I know is that this camera thrives on? Most shots used in the edits will be more static to highlight the players and not crazy pans etc. I think I have to understand what I am getting in a camera under $1k but I love your reviews and really like the basketball/rugby one to showcase the Sony camera. Thank you for your time
@@BeyondTheGame_E Thanks for the response, after much consideration I decided to go with the Lumix g9. Although the Sony autofocus is a plus for me, my g85 years ago was solid, and seems the 2.4 firmware helped the Lumix g9 pretty well. And the 4k 60 even only being 10min internal was a big plus as well as in body stabilization. As for the zv e10 didn't seem to have the best HD quality with 1080p. And I'll probably work on shooting manual anyway to better my skills so slight less auto focus isn't a huge deal breaker. And lastly, I figured most of my shooting will be on Sat and Sun in Cali outdoors, so being a 4/3 I am not too worried about crazy low light. Thanks for the great videos. Will be watching.
hey what shutter speed do you normally shoot at for your 120fps NBL vids and how much storage is required for each game? im looking at what size card i need to buy.
I typically use a 1/320 or 1/400 shutter speed. But the storage depends on many recording settings. If you shoot like me at 4K/120 in 10-bit, I recommend using 256Gb cards.
Could you please explain the red lines that usually go thru my footage sometimes in stadiums or gym for 120fps at 1/250 it will start going away if I lower but then it’s not following the 180 rule but gets worse when I increase
This is a phenomenon called banding. The shutter speed of your camera is out of sync with the cycle of the stadium lights. First of all, make sure you shoot in NTSC if you're in the US (60Hz) or in PAL if you are in Europe (50Hz). And then if the problem persists, all you can do is lower the shutter speed until the banding stops.
Why are you skipping frames instead of combining frames? Going from a theoretical 60 million FPS down to 30 fps by averaging those frames looks almost identical to our motion-blur-based long exposures. Is going from 120fps down to 60fps via frame averaging a problem?
I don’t understand your question to be honest so I have no idea what to respond. I have no idea what frame averaging is. Just to be clear, I’m not the one choosing to skip frames, it’s done automatically.
Here's a video I made on this exact topic. You should find all the answers to your questions in there ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-96KFhI45uRM.htmlsi=D0V_7JXQaWwjrLjN
You can use 24, 30 or 60. There’s no wrong answer, just different looks. You just need to make sure you do the maths correctly when slowing down your footage.
It just depends on your expectations. It probably wont zoom very far, the sharpness won’t be the best and the aperture will be variable. But if these things don’t bother you then it’s fine.
Could you make a video on the best tripods or gimbals for sports videography? the one I have is too stiff and its hard to track fast movement, or maybe you already have a video about this, thanks E
A video about tripods is on my to-do list but not any time soon though. But I can tell you that good tripods are not cheap. The cheap ones are only ok if you don’t need to do camera movements. Otherwise you need something heavy and sturdy with a fluid head.
I work with cameras that can record one version of your footage at a higher bitrate and a lower res/bitrate version at the same time, to two separate cards. Give it a few years and we'll start seeing cameras that can record at high frame rates to one card while recording standard frame rates to another card. 😁 A guy can dream right!?
So say I have all my clips but some are different frame rates (establishing/intro in 24/30 fps) and the rest of the game is in 120fps. can I fix the problem of all the bitterness by just making the adobe sequence frame rate 120 fps so the game doesn't loose any frames when going full speed and the cinematic shots in the lower frame rate will just stay the same?
Your 24 and 30fps footage would look horrible in a 120 sequence since 4/5 or 3/4 of the frames would be missing. Also, most screens don’t display 120fps so no one would actually see your video the way you intend them to see it.
@@BeyondTheGame_E So I should make it 60 fps? since 30 fps would only be missing half of the frames, or should I just do the whole thing to whatever the lowest framerate I filmed in is
Hi Eh, question that I have is if have few different footages all filmed in 60fps what would be best render settings once you're done editing 60fps or 30fps? Also if you have different footage that were filmed in 30fps and 60fps what render settings would be best? Thanks!
Hey! It would really depends on what the format (youtube, IG, etc.) and intention is for the video. If going for the cinematic feel, 24-30fps is best to shoot at. If going for the highlight or mixtape video, shoot and export at 60fps. I recently did a high school basketball mixtape where I did a mixture of cinematic and fast looking shots. For the teams lifting and workout clips, i videoed in 30fps. When we got to the gym to play games and practice, I shot at 60fps. So, essentially, my video transitioned from a cinematic "workhard" intro to fast-paced highlights, with some slowmo on key moments. I hope this helped :)
You should set your timeline to your final frame rate before you start editing, not after. And if you have 30fps footage, your timeline should definitely be 30fps.
@@hypebykevI'm recording some gym / personal trainer content soon I have access up to 4k/120 and two seperate cams how do you suggest I go about this so I can have slowmo on some parts or "cinematic" but still have regular workout shots?
@@jacksari414 to be honest, every full frame camera that does 120fps is a good camera. The more recent ones have a few features that the older ones may not have but they are also more expensive. So it just depends on your priorities.
I film volleyball games where I have to make fast pans from side to side. I film at 60p and edit on a 60p timeline. I don't do any slo-mo cuts. Is this the correct method?
Filming and editing in 30fps or filming and editing in 60fps are the best ways to avoid jitters. Like I said, it’s not the frame rate that matters, it’s sticking to it throughout the whole process.
How do you guys adapt your 60fps content into 30 for bad platforms such as TikTok and RU-vid shorts? Will it always come out jittery? I hate being forced to choose between an ND filter at 25fps in daylight or a high SS with no ND at 120fps. Lol, 120 fps is killer for slomo I think but when I doing shots that incorporate slowmo and regular footage together and they will go to social media what fps should I do?!
Hi E - Would using "Posterize time" effect in Premier solve the jitters problems of real-time 100fps footage in a 25fps timeline? Have you tried using that before? I've been searching for a solution and found one video that suggested this effect.
I’ve never tried it personally. If you try it and find that it looks better, then keep using it. But, no matter what effect you use in post, at the end of the day you are still skipping several frames every second.
@@BeyondTheGame_E Thank you! I've recently started doing bball highlights at 25fps in camera. I love the look of it, just need to be more stable when filming!
Wow the amount of Gems💎 in this video is outstanding! Thank you kind Sir🙏✨ I feel like you might be a fellow Montrealer and if you are..un gros Merci! ✌️🇨🇦
If I could get your opinion. I am mostly a stills guy that wants to start adding video to my brand. I am currently interested in the new Sony A7Cii. It shoots 4k 60 crop which I know is not ideal. I guess my question is would you shoot at 4k 60 crop or 4k 30 uncrop? I would like to have a bit of slowing down sometimes in my video. I also don't have a budget that will allow for me to buy a deticated video camera. Any advice on what I could do or how I could shoot my video to give me the best "bang for my buck: Thank you again my fellow Montrealer 🙌✨🇨🇦🍁
@@Ryanphotos1 If you want to slow down your footage in post, you need to film at at least 60p. At 30p, if you slow it down, it will look very jittery. Here's a video I made that explains this in greater details ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Da-bS7a35zM.htmlsi=B_9fXyuAjeUqWc2c
FAM, if you dont render the video at 120 fps, how the F**k dou you expect me to watch it on my 144HZ Screen? It doesnt matter if you record or render at 60fps+, if you dont have the hardware to play it
