It’s about time you used this model!!! I love the old pewter stuff, I’m working on a huge pile of aspect Warriors right now. Thanks for letting me send you that great old school model!
Thanks for sending it man! I know it’s been a while lol, timing just finally lined up and now the work has begun!! I just picked up a bunch of other Tau stuff off of eBay too, so I’m gonna make something cool with Shadowsun as the centerpiece. Aspect warriors!! Love that old eldar stuff :)
@@eBayMiniatureRescues yeah man check out @hanknerdpaint on insta and see what I’ve been working on lol. I love that you’re gonna give some new life to that mini, I’d held onto it for years and counts being myself to trade or sell it, I’m glad i got it into the right hands
I think my favorite older pewter models are probably the super old Space Orks, and just because they were my first, Eldar. Of course, Eldar are still pretty much pewter, but I'd say that's because they looked good then and they still do! My point is, don't get me wrong in this video, old sculpts are great, but giving them some attention can honor them and keep them on the table in today's games.
Dont understood why he added the separate drones into the main model. For a show model its sure nice, but for tabletop the option to separate them would be better
There is a very good chance I’m going to be using the ideas that people have come up with in this comment section to replace the wooden dowels. They look alright in person, but absolutely in video they seem gigantic. Something will be done and I’m excited to see what that will be when it comes time to finish this project :)
I’d honestly be tempted to print flying stands with clear resin for the drones. If it was a full time diorama piece then you could blend the dowels into the backdrop of the diorama.
My original plan was to use force fields to hide the dowels, but they were kind of clunky. I imagine flying stands or force fields in clear resin might work. Either way, something will be done!
Metals were limited by the dynamics of the material. The plastics coming out now are incredible. I still can't quite get my head around my metals being described as 'old' when it only seems like last week I bought them, many are pre slotta bases too ! This is shaping up to be an interesting build !
I know what you mean, there are still pewter models being made right now for Warhammer. And Infinity models are pretty awesome and still all pewter. There are a ton of actually old models though that could use an update!
I have plenty of older pewter models from 20-30 years ago - while I prefer working with plastics, there is a certain charm to the old sculpts that is hard to replicate today. Keep up the good work!
A saving grace for the dowels would be using them like energy transfer beams from or to the generator like they are trying to reanimate it or like they are sweeping for mines or something...just a thought
There have been so many suggestions for replacing the rods, I’m definitely gonna do something a little different when it comes time to finish this model :)
I got some old Orks a couple weeks ago. Ranging from rogue trader to 2nd and 3rd edition. I just loved the charm of them and enjoying the hand sculpting as a change from the current digital sculpts.
I think the old fantasy pewter models really lend themselves well to new paint jobs. and not just GW stuff putting a new look on any of the old models is fun. I have done it on a few Ral Partha minis and had a blast.
For future reference when stripping pewter you can use acetone and it will take you about 5 mins to strip a mini. Also please consider separating the drones from the base so that it’s playable and replacing the dowels with something thinner like some wire
There have been so many great ideas to replace the dowels with, I’m super excited to get to painting this model now and try something a little different.
The weight is pretty great on old models, I like resin for that too, but of course GW resin leaves so much to be desired. Some of the older pewter models still get me, the old moonclan grots especially!
@@eBayMiniatureRescues I agree with you on the quality of GW resin FW has the same problem. My local gaming group jokes that you get better quality buying recasts (not that I advocate for piracy) then by buying official products. It's so sad.
@@eBayMiniatureRescues if you ever feel like hunting for Pewter models, Private Press has a whole boatload of them still as they still make them in their old casts.
I love the Base and the style from shadowsun. But for my personal feeling the drone sticks are too chunky. Eventually you can use lollypop sticks? Love your work and want to See the final result. Greetings from Germany.
Back before a mate of mine got proper Tau units, he improvised drones using painted bottle caps on barbecue skewers - so the wooden dowels look fairly nice in comparison!
This is a very cool idea! I've a ton of bits that I'm not sure what I'll do with, but this reminds me to remember them as well. Case in point; I scored a Thagrosh, Prophet of Everblight model on eBay to paint for the heck of it, and it was missing its horns. A trip to the bits box revealed some GW plastic skeleton talons that worked just fine as ad hoc horns, and primed up it looks perfectly good to me.
I have big love for old models. I’m a history buff and love their derpy old aesthetic. I want to do my little tau kill team in *insert favorite color shifting paint brand here* and make them sort of look like the Covenant from Halo. Great video idea!
Great video Casey! Some of those old pewter models are super derpy but ones like Abaddon really do have a charm to them! I don't miss trying to convert pewter models though, things are definitely so much better in that regard now!
There are a ton of them that have such great looks to them. I like a lot of older models. My biggest issue is the size difference. If you want to use an older model you have to base it on a larger base, generally anyways, so sometimes you have to fill in the blank on the base to make the model make more sense. It’s a ton of fun to do, and one of my favorite things about finding a good older model :)
@@eBayMiniatureRescues Definitely agreed! The scale creep is a bit of a pain, I just dug out some old Blood Bowl Minis and will be doing a video on a repaint of one of them but they are just so tiny when compared to the new ones! Something to be said for bringing back a bit of retro though!
In lore, Shadowsun often works together with teams of Stealth Battlesuits, so those could be a good fit. You could even try getting the older models, they look very different than the current ones.
I love my old pewter minis - I actually find them pretty forgiving to paint, the detail is crisper certainly than a lot of the older plastics and definitely far superior to finecast. I mean, the 80s casts where they're waving their hands in the air (like they just don't care) are kinda janky, like the old necromancers, but I think a lot of metal minis are underrated. Particular love for wood elf wardancers (especially that 54mm collectable one, which was INCREDIBLE), and some of the old vampire minis.
I still buy, strip, add stuff to make them unique. Base and then paint them. And i still play with them and i honestly dont care if people think that i do it cuz they are smaller or so... i buy them cuz first of all the hobby is expensive enough. AND I dont want minis to end up in the bin no matter how old they are.
A few things: * Don't use superglue. Epoxy works much better, especially in torsion and sheer, though it takes a little while to fully cure. I like JB Kwik (5-minute JB Weld), but there are lots of choices. * For supports, consider music wire. It's extremely rigid, even at very small radii, and the dark surface is easy to de-emphasize. You don't want to use a normal wire cutter to cut it, though. A wire cutter will probably work, but the jaws will notch, quickly destroying the cutter. You need a hardened wire cutter for music wire. * If you need to attach a piece with a long moment arm (dragon wings are classic examples), consider double pinning. The second pin will resist the torsional force much better than any glue. * To precisely locate pin holes opposite each other, I strongly recommend this tutorial: www.coolminiornot.com/articles/1589 * If your metal model has a spear or banner, I recommend replacing the shaft of the spear or banner with brass wire. It is much less likely to break and much more likely to stay straight. * With metal models, _always_ use a real primer designed for metal surfaces. This will much reduce the chances of rub-off or chipping in play. I have used and like both Krylon and Duplicolor spray primers, but there other choices for sprays and good brush-on primers as well.
The dowels ruined this for me. Sure, the base does distract from Shadowsun, but I'm sure that reposing or modifying the miniature to bring it more in-line with the more modern T'au designs would have worked just as well.
Nothing wrong with that, I just didn’t want to cut up an old model like this. They are gonna be harder to find down the road, and if anything, the dowels can be removed of I want the drones on individual stands at some point.
@@eBayMiniatureRescues Would be nice if there would be an option to separate the drones, since ingame they are seperate units. But the overall look is pretty nice
I am diving into my first Pewter minis. I need an arm each for a '93 Space Marine Sargeant, and a Crimson Fist Captain Cortez. The originals I think each had a plastic arm, on a Pewter body...Will Arms from a 2013 era tactical squad be appropriate in scale or, at least closer than Primaris arms, or will I have to decipher Ebay to find the right ones?
Not gonna lie, some of my greatest treasure are old mono-pose space marines and khorne berserker... not because they look the coolest, but they kind of feel nostalgic. And it kind of feels great to have at least a few Berserkers that don't look like they fall forwards into battle.
They definitely don’t suck, most of the older models have awesome looks, great character, and hold a special place for a ton of people, including me. They are just difficult to put into a modern army and still make them fit. A good example is the old ghazghul model I painted a couple of weeks ago, the new one is like 5x the size, but I like that old sculpt, so in order to fit him into a modern army, I upped the base size and tried to paint him to fit with my army colors. Same thing for this model, it’s super rad, but the size difference is pretty huge, going from a slotted 25mm base to a 50mm base is a big difference!
@@eBayMiniatureRescues Oh yeah great example! I'd never even seen that Ghazghul model until your video and yeah, he is a little nondescript considering who the character is lol. I think maybe being an Eldar player helps you enjoy the metal more, I adore my collection of farseers and warlocks from across the decades, and they still hold up IMO :) (even the one with the silly moose hat)
The warlocks and the like still look great! Probably because the shapes are large and rounded, and the cloaks are sculpted well enough that they actually look light and cloth like. I picked up a finecast farseer, it’s not nearly as good as the metal one.
@@eBayMiniatureRescues I love them, I always try to run a 10 man conclave whenever I can just as an excuse to put them on the table. You should try and track down some of those super rare 'unreleased' metal farseers, I can imagine that would be an interesting project.
Absolutely agree. Plastic is my all time favourite (and ever was, even in the times of pewter mania) but i buy pewter too, even if i din’t like working with it. I bought finecast once, never again.
How did you do the stripping on the mini? I am not sure what device you were using let alone what was inside,, I am still using the tried and true glass jar and stripper which stinks to high heavens.
Infinity models are fantastic, especially for being metal. Go back through GWs old models though, there are quite a few that just need an update! Mostly for size reasons, these new models are gigantic in comparison.
@@eBayMiniatureRescues yeah, I have a fifth edition dark elf witch and she's tiny despite being 28mm from head to toes. Kinda funny considering the fact that modern geedubs games are supposed to be in this scale, but end up being at least 35mm in their newest releases
With them being pewter, would there be any way to install magnets in the bottom of the drones so that you can detach them for use in a game? Or do you think they would be too heavy?
There’s enough room in these drones that magnets could be installed pretty easily, then they could be thrown onto their own magnetic flight stands. I was thinking about keeping them separate for this build, but I went out and bought a bunch of drones off of eBay instead. If anything, they aren’t held on super super well, I mean, they won’t fall off, but I can take them off and replace them with either 3d printed ones, or some of the less expensive ones. I like that magnetic idea though, could be a fun thing to try.
It’s not too hard, once you get your first layer done just coat it in varnish, wait for that to dry, and do another layer of hairspray. Then it’s just repeating the process. I’ve done this before in an older video, long time ago, but the results were pretty great, it gave the model that look like it had been painted several times and the layers were torn away.
Do sell them...... TOO ME!!!! Those pewters are great. They will last forever and is something i will be able to pass down to my kids. Despite the jankyness i have a soft spot in my heart for these. Ive just snapped to much plastic. Also tiny metal statues are more ballin then plastic army men.
I love so many of the older metal minis. I started with metal minis, and I still buy them. My biggest problem isn’t entirely how they look. On their own, they are great, but the size difference is sometimes insane when compared to the newer plastic, so changing out the base and adding some stuff will generally make the model fit with a modern army. Legitimately, if I could buy an all pewter ork army, for a good price that is, then I would totally rock that in a game :)
@@eBayMiniatureRescues I totally understand you. I play Space Marines (now referred to as the "firstborn" ones), and many of my precious units are metal. Terminators, Cybots (aka Dreadnoughts), Predator Tanks (second one is freshly rescued and finished for basing), and many more. Its pretty hard to see the new models you always wanted for your army, but now they are totally misshaped compared to the rest. I will stick with my firstborn, but your idea of rebasing them seems to be fitting for some of them (especially Terminators and their balance problem)
I'd take my pewter minis anyday. Cant tell you how many times my kids have knocked or dropped a metal fig and nothing has happened. Same thing to a plastic model and its obliterated.
I mostly like what you did here. Not a fan of the wooden dowels. I think the drones would have looked better on some sort of clear acrylic rod. Or just some cheap clear plastic. Like pieces of clear sprue from clear lens parts from a model kit. Or maybe even some clear plastic drink stirrers. But, I'll wait and see what your paint job does to make them work.
i have a few pewter minis for d&d , there very detailed and fun to paint, the only real problem is the paint chips and the weapons constantly bend, but minis are like pizza, there all good!
Paint chips more easily on metal, to avoid it try using a strong rattle can primer, either gw or one for cars. Thin parts are more delicate if made in pewter, extra carefullness is needed
Hmm, I’ve never heard of any, but in my experience it doesn’t matter how much, or what kind of paint you have on a model, if it bends at all, the paint will chip. I’d be down to try a primer that helps of course, it would save a lot of work over the years of owning metal minis!
You're probably thinking of etch primer. The primer contains a small amount of acid that etches the surface / oxidised surface of metals resulting in greater paint adhesion. It's not a must for metal models but is nice to have.
Interesting, I can see how that makes sense, but I imagine that wouldn’t stop chipping. Maybe from an impact, but if a sword gets bent that paint is still gonna crack. I could be wrong about that of course, I’ve never used that kind of primer.
@@eBayMiniatureRescues most primers have some degree of flexibility that helps with their resistance but adhesion strength is key. Metal car bodies (real cars not scale models) will often be primed with etch primer for an initial adhesion layer then spayed over with polyurethane or acrylic primer. Polyurethane primers & acrylics are essentially thin sheets of plastic when they dry. The risk of the plastic layer cracking reduces as the number and strength of bonds increase with their inferior layers i.e. bare metal Vs etch primer.
Yes, Night Shift used this when painting some metal tank tracks a few weeks ago. Edit. OK, was longer ago than I remembered... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rcL3DyKDgAk.html
I like a lot of the older sculpts for a lot of the Games Workshop minis. A lot of the demons for example. And the Dwarves, before they became beards with oversized boots. Let alone the abomination they became in AoS.
1:31 In the interests of being "that guy", the model pictured here is plastic (to the best of my knowledge, first available in the second Space Hulk expansion, Genestealer).
dontya just miss the old days before the year 2000 when the mechanicus invented the arcane archotech technique of putting a bit of water in your paint?
There isn’t anything wrong with them, and metal minis have come sooo far since the early 90s. The problem usually comes down to the size. In order to play an old model in a modern game you have put the mini on a much bigger base. That usually presents an issue with empty space compared to the mini. The new plastic models are just so much bigger and fill their new base sizes.
I grew up on metal minis, and I like most of the old sculpts that GW have, the real issue is size. Look at the old ghazghul compared to the new one. In order to use your old model you have to put it on a massive base compared to the mini. It was never intended to be used on anything larger than a 25mm base, so there’s just more work that goes into making that look good on the table. I absolutely welcome that work, the old models can look amazing, but if you want to use them in a game today, they have to be put on the proper base size.
Shadowsun would kill you for calling her 'old and janky'. ;) The dowel rods look very heavy and a bit out of place. I'm curious to see how you paint everything up. Will the rods be less obvious then?
I've got a bunch of chunky Ogres in pewter, enough mass to kill someone with. Along with some other assorted models. Never hated the stuff as much as i hate failcast.
12:30 - Why do you have rocks glued to the sides of the dowels and the side of the thing she's standing on? It's looks bad. Rocks don't climb like ivy. You have big chunks of rock just sticking to the side of the vertical areas. It's totally unnatural and it completely detracts from an otherwise nice build.
There were a lot more of them back in the day, it feels like they haven't had an update in 20 years, still selling the same box of plastic since 2000 lol. GW is doing a Christmas box for them this year, maybe they will update the line in 2021? That would be cool.
@@eBayMiniatureRescues yeah, i mean like i've had a bit of a hiatus from 40k (and Warhammer in general as well) since 3/4th ed, and dug some of My old stuff and got back into collecting the plastic crack again now with all this free time we got this year. The guard kits kind of feels like they are the same but just way less flavour now that the only option is your nog standard cadians. I miss the angry postal service workers, sheaffers last chancers or vostroyans and all the thing that made it so diverse.
Personally there are armies and models that are absolutely better in pewter. Lookin at you moonclan grots, but the flexibility and converting power of plastic is hard to overlook. To each their own of course :)
@@eBayMiniatureRescues for sure, sitting as a kid with limited resources, Pewter was a b***😄 but I still claim that the best gw model is the old original wood elf dragon👌🐉🐲
...nah, very nearly took you seriously. This gag just didn't work, satirising the vapid and shallow kids would be fine, but it's kinda personal, and you're damn close to enraging the originals.
