YouTube Is Broken 

I think my favorite thing about this podcast is that Jordan often looks like a proud dad listening to his son passionately explaining an interest. Go on son... tell me more about this megaman

RU-vidrs: misogyny, racism, transphobia, child abuse RU-vid: "This is fine." RU-vidrs: *mega man 2 speedrun* RU-vid: "Now this is an Avengers level threat-"

I love that the most efficient way to contact RU-vid support is through twitter. Makes complete sense.

Yesterday RU-vid handed down their final decision to SummoningSalt, that his video will remain age restricted because of the three second clip of swearing. He's going to reupload it tomorrow with all profanity removed. Just ignore that their THIRD manual review restricted it for nudity, which is so out of the realm of plausibility that it's laughable.

youtube taking down an inoffensive video about speed-running whilst allowing literal child abusers (daddyofive) to still have accounts is beyond messed up.

One of the worst examples I've seen lately is RU-vid's treatment of Ann Reardon. She made a video explaining why a popular "life hack" (fractal wood burning) was incredibly dangerous and potentially fatal, and they took down her video for promoting dangerous activities. Meanwhile, all the people she showed in her video who actually did the dangerous project and tell you how to do it still have their videos up. She managed to get the video back up but it lost all the previous views and comments, she had to beg people to share it.

Can we take a moment to appreciate the visual aesthetic of Jordan and Jarvis' whole set ups? Jarvis; Dark attire, light background: Jordan; Light attire, dark background. Even their headphones match up! Such calming composition; perfect for such a rage-inducing video.

its so sickening to watch RU-vid (any every other large corporation) actively and passively condone abhorrent shit like racism and transphobia because it makes them money. it makes me physically nauseous because what can we even realistically do at this point

Yet they can do nothing about bot accounts commenting the same spam 400 times per minute, on every comment on the video. There was a guy on Twitch that made a code live on stream that went through his follows and banned all the ones that were bots, simply by running a script "contains these words followed by this many numbers." It removed over 20,000. These seem like incredibly easy fixes, it baffles me that it's still a thing across the largest platforms in the world.

The “age-restricting” that RU-vid does is ridiculous. This has also happened to another creator where they labeled his video “made for kids”. It isn’t made for kids. It’s a video game rated T for Teen and is not for General Audiences. RU-vid will do nothing for this creator. They just keep coming back to the same “conclusion”. It’s absolutely wrong.

I feel like on RU-vid Shorts specifically I'm being targeted with transphobic content, and I report it and scroll away but then see more of it? Harmful things like that is just accepted and called an "opinion" or something but then they age restrict the randomest things and don't even state the reason woww

RU-vid's discrepancy when it comes to demonetization and restriction is wild. Matt Walsh still has an incredibly popular youtube channel where he makes calls to violent action against trans and queer people; meanwhile, positive and incredible creators like summoning salt get screwed over.

As a small science education channel, this is really reassuring. My co-founder was enraged with how little views our video essays got in comparison to our recent drama adjacent video. But the algorithm likes drama more than science, which is why misinformation campaigns on this platform are so effective.

that suggestion about muting seems like a decent idea, i'm sure it'd be abused but it's such an easy temporary band aid at least

I don't understand the reasoning behind the vagueness-- they're definitely using automated review, it's not hard to just add automation that flags the section in question and lets you know what's wrong with it. Do they deliberately WANT to keep it vague so that nobody's able to look too closely at their policies/procedures? The only reason I see behind that is for them to be able to flag things arbitrarily.

From what I understand the problem is that RU-vid just doesn't let creators know what the problem is when they claim there is one. Like how are you supposed to correct something if you don't know what the issue is. RU-vid really doesn't give its creators any other option than to be at the mercy of the algorithm and reviewing system

Crazy how youtube is falling apart and twitch is also falling apart. Honestly, if most of the creators i follow move to a new platform around the same time, i'll gladly follow them and leave youtube

I feel like youtubers need to unionize to make the company be better

omg i love the reverse color coordination

I uploaded an unlisted video of Animal Crossing Wild World gameplay footage (no commentary) to show a friend, and RU-vid age-restricted it and I have no idea why. And then there’s a video of a live Mitski performance that seems to be flagged as for kids even though the lyrics have like, suicide imagery. I know they don’t want to reveal too much about the algorithm so people don’t game it, but I really have to wonder how it came to these decisions.

I’m so confused bc RU-vid DOES allow people to mute parts of their video after it’s been uploaded, I’ve seen it quite a few times, generally with copyright violations etc. Is it only allowed for music violations and not for age restricted content?? especially if it’s just a few seconds?? that’s insane

RU-vid has had this problem for soooo long. I can't believe they still allow restrictions/dmca with no reason behind the initial strike. If they just told creators their issue, everything would be solved. Why is so goddamn hard for RU-vid to communicate?

Tbh RU-vid is almost at this point a monopoly, so far as video uploading sites are concerned. TikTok is a competitor, but it will be a long uphill battle before anyone disrupts RU-vid’s corner in the market. After all, RU-vid has a history of being able to steal top creators on other platforms and entice them to upload on RU-vid. There are very few profitable options available to long-form content creators.

I have no subscribers. Posted a video about a skunk that made its way into my building. I got a notification that my video was age restricted. I did say tf. Once surprised. RU-vid is 1000% bias

I don’t know what makes RU-vid think it’s allowed to outright lie about their customer service.

I think it's good that a platform values the protection of it's users over the profit of the creators, but youtube is clearly not doing that but rather sanitizing the platform for advertisers.

i just watched the demolition ranch guy shoot a big sniper rifle at a brick of sapphire but the mega men must be age restricted lmao

The density problem happened to Crankgameplays!! His 2 hour vid was age restricted for a 6-second clip where he said the F word multiple times!

Woah I didn’t know this would be a very relevant subject! I follow summoning salt and knew this was happening, I assumed it would be dealt with somewhat silently other than mentioning it, but I’m glad that RU-vids hypocrisy and idiocy is being spread :)

Sad Boyz being back has really turned my life around

i actually had a conversation with my best friend today about my youtube commentary consumption while being not chronically online like a portion of the community is. he’s like i watch youtube but damn how do you find this stuff and know what they’re talking about? says it’s niche internet culture. i just like the fact of creators making content specifically for the taste of their viewers because we’re the ones that consume it

As a whole, speedrunning is looking for a reliable place for streaming that supports its creators. Twitch had been good, but more and more, Amazon seems to be cutting people's chances to actually make money there. RU-vid has a huge chance to bring over many more speedrunners. But they keep botching it. Time and time again, they botch it.

God, I love these two. Thoughtful conversation about RU-vid's poor treatment of its laborers.

Honestly can't imagine anything *less* offensive on this platform than Summoning Salt's work, dude has no beef, the content is clean-ish, wholesome, celebratory and uplifting, stuff youtube really likes on paper. If it really is the f-bomb spam in that one clip that got the video dinged, that's indicative of youtube deliberately - almost dogmatically - missing the forest for the trees.

Around 2:45: So you're saying RU-vid speedran the review process?

I’m so glad that this is getting around, I love SummoningSalt and this situation is ridiculous

I've been a user/creator off and on since 2005. Haven't made any money from it, yet. Too much time between ideas. Recently, I've been trying to make a return but the platform still seems to fight itself. This place used to just be where people posted FFX cutscenes remixed to VNV Nation or other music, and the weird kids wanting to leave a tiny scratch on the sidewalk of fame. I love all parts of the site: games, commentary, music, films, cooking, etc. ...but the thing that sticks out from all of this... is the attitude of RU-vid, the corporate side. They are like the teachers who started a class on projects, but continues to ignore the students, bc they got better things to do like mass-market your ideas and collect extraneous profits. Maybe I'm just getting older and hate seeing peculiar animosities keeping the sides from talking. We're all in this crayon box together. The elders of our world were young once, they've just forgotten and became neglecting. But if Scatman Corothers taught me anything, it's that a simple thing can change your life. Or sometimes, make rambling comments on a commentary video of a podcast that leads to a scene in the Twilight Zone movie. Idk why either. ✌️

I love you both you are gorgeous sophisticated men

The community was in remiss. They had never seen a RU-vid scandal like this. This was it.

That was me over a yr ago. I hadn't heard of Danny or Drew, hadn't seen a CodyKo vid or even the Paul bros. I ignored recommendations and would sometimes not comment because I couldn't remember my login. YT doesn't have to change or be creator focused because the alternative doesn't exist. Patreon could be considered a competitor but there is nothing as large and well known as YT. It's the same with Amazon, Phillip Morris, and other companies that still exist despite their reputation.

Thank you for your perspective! Ive heard that debate before but never the way the both of you put it. Made it easier for me to understand and relate than when other people said it

I love this kind of discussion bc I want to do stuff, I just have so many interests idk what is worth my time as a full time worker part time student! Learning to edit is both a luxury and homework to me!

this podcast as gotten me out of such deep pockets of depression just by existing. i love you two ❤ keep up the amazing content

The return of the majestic mustachioed men ✨️

I know I’m 3 months late to the conversation but I would just like to say RU-vid is literally nothing without its creators and yet they still choose to let transphobia, racism, child abuse, etc pass but when there’s a few seconds of swearing it immediately gets age restricted. It’s been 3 months and it’s only gotten worse. Honestly if creators were able to move their content to another platform I’d be completely on board

RU-vid is just trying not to pay out.

This doesn't change the problems, but the people who run social media are probably just as frustrated at these problems. I am in social media and i am cleaning up customer services messes all the time. So at least one part of RU-vid is probably doing their part to make things better for creators, but the rest needs to follow suite.

this reminds me of the time one of my channels got suspended. it had nothing but raw clips of rhythm game gameplay and it had been inactive for several years as well. it was supposedly banned for inappropriate comments and harassment, or something like that. i was very confused because i never made a single comment or used this channel for anything but hosting those clips. so naturally i appealed it, and i reached out to them- explaining my situation and hoping they could clarify further. nope, nothing! just them reaffirming the initial reason and not allowing me any further explanation or appeals. very cool of youtube!

I feel better now

I love Summoning Salt content. But as a parent, I would keep a hyper sensitive ear to what is being said in a video, because I wouldn't watch it while they are around. Although, to be fair, my kids don't know what swear words are, because we don't call attention to it when it does come up on the radio or when relatives slip up. I don't want to get to puritanical about the issue, but those kinds of videos, where 99.9% of the video is completely clean, I would censor the streamed swear words to prevent something like this from happening. ***The editing and muting stuff is a good point, the platform has been around long enough that there should be that kind of work around on hand to automatically mitigate this issue in the short term.***

RU-vid could fail if tiktok ever gets into standard format videos, and improves the silly teenager content they have, for quality stuff. Content creators and viewers would flock to tiktok if they ever did this. They are already a big threat to YT. Could you make a video on this possibility? What are your thoughts?

Thank you for talking about this it really upset me. Of all people SS doesn’t deserve it.

Oh no he said mega man this video is going to get aged restricted

You ever think RU-vid age restricts videos to save money

This is exactly what CoryxKenshin was talking about in his recent youtube call out. His was more about the racist aspect because he is such a large creator who we would assume have better relations with the company (compared to the relationships they have with non-black creators of his size) & they gave him the same run around as seasoning salt. Cory has 10x the size of Summoning's platform but theyre getting the same "we cant point to whats age restricted but it just is" treatment. I think this just shows the fundamental error in the system

Spot on points made here.

Yes, it is😌😌

oh damn didn't even realize i was early

Jordan quit letting him talk over you like that

I was trying to figure out why there was only 217 likes before realising this video is like an hour old. Ive never been this early in my life lmao , great video lads

youtube when actual yt supremacists are inciting violence on lgbtq people: 🤗 youtube when someone says fuck 3 times in a row: 👹

yessss

Jordan looks like Jarvis' dad lol

Twitter is HR

It’s true

18:40 ghost city tokyo reference anyone?

❤

Thumbs up and an additional comment to beat the algorithm. Thanks for the video! 👍🔥👍

Mega Man = Alpha Male No preaching misogyny here, folks

everyone i know uses facebook haha

watch this video get age restricted lol

Wow I’m early

Sounds like it's finally time for people to stop expecting a free paycheck from RU-vid and go back to hosting their own content like things were a little over a decade ago. Things were so much better that way. We didn't have to listen to RU-vidrs constantly complaining about their free paychecks -- instead they gave us *content* (believe it or not). There was none of this reaction bullsh#%, none of this "being upset that my video for adults was reasonably categorized as not appropriate for children," none of this purposefully making your videos look like sh%& to avoid copyright claims, none of this constant complaining about Fair Use, none of this insufferable sense of entitlement that those of you who grew up with RU-vid as a career option have... If you guys want to start moving away from the free ride RU-vid gives you and start hosting your own content on your own platform I will 100000000% follow you. Things were infinitely better when everybody had their own website instead of everybody uploading their videos to the same website and constantly complaining about how much they hate all the free money RU-vid gives them. Enough is enough. Us poor people are sick of hearing rich RU-vidrs complain about how RU-vid gives them free hosting space and free promotion and how much they hate it. Just make your own website then and pay for your own hosting space and promote your content on your own and then you can do whatever tf you want. This sense of entitlement you have where you expect RU-vid to bend over backward providing you with free hosting space entirely free from any sort of rules or regulations is just obnoxiously tone deaf. Life doesn't work that way. If you want your own rule-free hosting space, you're gonna have to do what the rest of us did and pay money for it. If you want a free hosting space that promotes your content and does all the hard work of getting you advertisers, then you're going to have to accept the fact that there are going to be some rules and regulations. I dunno how you expect RU-vid to hire people to personally watch every single video and come to a conclusion about how appropriate it's content is. That's ludicrous. If you want something like that, you're going to have to actually pay for your hosting space instead of just taking a free hand-out. When you take free hand-outs, you're obligated to abide by the terms of the person giving you the free hand-out. RU-vid bends over backward providing millions of people with not only free hosting space but also free promotion. AND they do the hard work of finding you a sponsor and hooking you up with advertisers. Get. The fuck. Over it. Or pay for your hosting space. I'm so sick of hearing RU-vidrs complain, and I miss the days when everybody had their own website instead of just social media accounts on other people's websites. Figure it out, my dude.

So many corps dont have a direct line to customer service, but I have gotten issues resolved by @ing the company on Twitter. I literally made a new profile after closing my old one and it is purely for customer service 😂