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If there are any other YugiTubers you'd like to rate MTG cards on the show, who would you want to see?

I'm gonna try to give an explanation to a yugioh player of why yorion is so broken. So, Goki is a deck that is famous for its two card combos. You get any two warrior monsters in play, make Isolde, and you're off. This is called a "two card" combo, but it's actually a three card combo. The third card, Isolde, gets to live in your extra deck, and as such it sort of doesn't count. You can make the goki deck 100% warrior monsters, and know that when you get two of them the Isolde will always be available. If goki players had to play Isolde as like a card in their main deck, that they had to draw and then play from their hand by sacrificing the two material, it would be a MUCH worse deck. Even with all the same things it could do. In magic, Yorion + a monster with an ETB effect is a "two card combo". Not as good as the ones in yugioh, but by magic standards its pretty strong. You get a nice bit of value, and the more ETB cards you have in play the better. Now, if Yorion was a card you had to play in your main deck, this would be a sorta mediocre combo. You have to worry about drawing both your Yorion and your ETB cards, and you could get stuck with Yorions in hand but nothing to bounce with them. Maybe you don't always get Yorion on turn 5 and you lose some percentages there. BUT! Like Isolde, Yorion is in your "extra deck", so this two card combo becomes a 1 card combo. Your WHOlE deck can just be the stuff that's good to bounce with Yorion, just like the whole goki deck can be stuff that's good to make Isolde with. And further more, Yorion gets better the *more* ETB cards you get with it, so not only do you only need to fill your deck up with one kind of thing, it's a kind of thing you want as many of as possible. Most magic decks don't get to work this way. If you want synergy, you need to draw two different cards from your deck at the same time. Yorion decks (and companion decks in general ) are playing on a completely different level of consistency to non companion decks.

Really shows how different the logic behind evaluating cards in both games is when arguably the best yugioh player of all time got most of them wrong.

Grass is one of Jesse's favorite ygo cards so to him, the payoff of having to run 20 extra cards in your deck must be basically "win the game when you play this card". Obviously if you just compare Yorion to Grass directly, it doesn't immediately seem even in the same stratosphere of power.

Yorion is like our grass looks greener, it is jank on paper, but works way better then you think in practice

Thought knot seer is currently terrible, because in the formats where it used to be good it's enabler has been banned, and in other formats it's way too weak.

7:10 Ah yes. *Local Poketrainer Joey ends up in the hospital after a trainer sends out Emrakul, the Aeons Torn to combat his level 5 Rattata*. Lol

Demon of Caatastrophes feels like an unfair card to show to a modern Yu-Gi-Oh player. They can special summon like, 15 times in a turn, so the cost of tributing one body is almost nothing to them.

Lurrus got banned in Vintage for power level reasons, which i didnt even know was possible until it happened.

Hell yea Jesse! I would say you should have MBT on but his name literally means mono blue tron lol

Finally we have one video that goes this way around. Usually it's MTG players rating the other cards

The other very important thing about companions is that you basically get to start with an extra card in hand. Yorion lets you trade 1 for 1 for most of the game, then end up with a 4/5 flyer after they run out of removal which will also probably get you several cards worth of value by reusing etbs. Zirda is also banned in legacy so that makes 3 companions that are banned in formats (ignoring lutri since that wasn't from power level). Most of the others have seen some play because most of the conditions are pretty doable and an extra guaranteed card is great.

Night on Bald Mountain/Ave Maria is a segment from Disney's Fantasia and yeah the demon there does look like Demon of Catastrophes. It's very good. I think something extra that should be mentioned for Yorion is that there were enough generic-ish high power cards in its formats to the point the +20 deck size didn't really feel like a drawback when your deck's power level doesn't get diluted by playing extra cards.

The other thing about Rotting Regisaur is that I've seen it almost like a combo piece, playing it with cards like Fight Rigging or The Great Henge which really want you to have a huge creature on the battlefield and just having 3 mana overstatted creatures, even with big downsides like this one, is worth it.

13:02 as far as im aware we yugioh players do just default to "on-summon" or maybe some variations of it like "on-normal", "on-flip", "on-special" etc depending on context though the latter can also encapsulate xyz/sync/fusion/pend/links but people will understand regardless

This was good, looking forward to more. Limiting cards to a certain format would be a good way to anchor things. Also, an episode for Sealed/Draft formats would be a good way to look at common cards.

I think evaluating tks as “very strong” is maybe a misstep. At the time it was, but as of now it is very very mid. Only really good cause it costs a pseudo two mana

It is worth mentioning that Reaper of the Wilds did see some fringe play in RtR-Theros Standard (before Siege Rhino) in the 'Jund Monsters' archetype which used ramp like Elvish Mystic and Sylvan Caryatid to deploy large midrange creatures such as Stormbreath Dragon, Polukranos, and even Reaper of the Wilds ahead of the curve. I would say his guess of it being a 'solid' card is not an unreasonable rating.

The last one reads like the 2400 atk 4* monsters in yugioh.

Its also worth noting that the discard effect on Rotting Regisaur can be used as a graveyard combos/value enabler. Its not necessarily strictly a downside.

I think something to mention about demon of catastrophes is that it's part of the cost specifically - every time you even try to *cast* it, you have to sac a creature. If it gets countered, you still lose your sacrificed creature. You don't get to pick what you sacrifice after it resolves, you have to do it beforehand. Having less information when you're forced to take an action is always worse.

I play Magic and couldn't figure these out because you're considering whether or not they have *ever* been good rather than whether or not they are currently good :P I also don't play either Standard or Modern which are the formats these were played in, so that definitely doesn't help me.

“This card is very strong!” Thought-knot seer sees NO fucking play lol

You can't stack multiple Eye of Ugins, they're legendary.

When Yorion was legal I played him in a combo deck. It was a toolbox combo deck, so the extra cards were just more toolbox slots. It was based on Vivien on the hunt getting into a kiki-jiki + felidar guardian infinite damage combo.

You can’t go “eye of ugin, eye of ugin, cast TKS for free”

Great video! It was awesome seeing the MTG analysis from a Yugioh player! Keep it up! Also, if possible, try some Universe Beyond cards or some of the eternal format-legal Unfinity cards. Lol

This guy is super nice, down to earth, and comfortable being wrong, seems like a really cool dude.

Forgot to mention that the discard part of Regi is not a cost to keeping it around. If you discard nothing the creature doesnt die, it just sticks around till something kills it.

Hyped cards are always fun. In yu-gi-oh we just got the new Horus support and they were hyped. We saw none played on the last YCS (they were in decks,w e just didn't see any deck that topped use them on camera). A tuber even posted a vid saying the cards were bad, because the key card needed was easy to get of the field and the entire play is just dead.

The otter companion was also banned before it came out in commander b/c every red/blue could theoretically run an instant access card

I appreciated that Fantasia reference and I agree yes it looks exactly like that demon. When Demon of Catastrophes came out I opened it in my prerelease pool and went Black Red Aggro with Open the Graves as my promo that pool was pretty good actually, I had Sarkhan, Fire Blood too. I made my money back on that pool. I went 2-1 so pretty good, the pack weren’t great most notable card was a foil psychic corrosion at the time was like $2.

Yorion is literally Zealantis

Forgot to add the hooray music.

When you use Yorion, you are still adding good cards to your decks, with lands to balance out the mana count. So yeah, the chance of you drawing any ONE specific card gets lower, but you are also getting the benefit of adding a bunch of good cards too. The idea behind it is interesting from a deck building theory perspective, the problem was it being an 8th card in your opening hand.

We NEEEED more of these

I think the power of companion would have made sense to him more if you said "imagine playing yugioh, but you start with 6 cards in hand and one of them is garunteed to be one of your best cards"

Still the three most important words when evaluating mtg creatures: Dies to Removal.

Just to uhm achskually - there is a combo deck that plays Yorion - some Aluren variants in legacy are on Yorion! However, the deck becomes more "midrange fair deck with an oops I win combo button," so Yorion works there

The visible confusion on Jesse's face when he was told that karn allowed you to get a card from your side deck

Great collabs, hope you grow on the platform! Not enough content creators knowledgeable on both games

"Imagine shuffling an 80-card deck." *laughs in Commander*

I saw Worldsea Dragon Zealantis being used in Crystal Beast combo and that reminded me of Yorion

Statistically, he should've got at least 2 right just guessing at random. The odds of him getting everything wrong are so small we must consider the alternative - that he got everything wrong because he knew what the right answers were.

its funny how as a player i see this cards and can immediately evaluate but from an outside perspective its so complicated and hard to judge cards delicious 5/5 though... this is what happens when i devote way too much time to a card game also another goody about rotting regisaur is its a nice explorer fight club deck piece which is fun for cheating big boy spells

btw you cant souble eye of Ugin to play Thought-Knot for free. A: The land is legendary so unless you have a card that makes you ignore the legend rule you can only have one in play B: It only reduces generic Mana. The cost is 3 generic and C (That must be generated by a source that specifically adds colorless mana. Everything that generates generic mana was erratad to produce that many colorless instead. But you can't use lets say a forrest to pay for the colorless cost. That set). fun fact: Oath of the Gatewatch (the set) is the only reason why generic and colorless mana are 2 different things

Eye of Ugin is Legendary

15:25 most of the Yorion bans weren't because of how good it is (and it is good) but because the extra 20 cards were slowing down games a LOT as you had to search the extra 20 cards and shuffle an extra 20 cards every time you triggered a fetch land when you were looking for the right shock land.

The fantasia short in question was Night on Bald Mountain

Now it's my time to have even the most remote clue as to what's going on!

Watching CovertGoBlue run Yorion I think around 1-2 years ago it was so awesome

Ngl I got thought-knot wrong because in my head I was thinking "you summon this for 4 mana, then they respond with an instant to remove it, then you take one card from their hand, then they draw. So you'd be trading 4 mana + your thought-knot for one of their cards in hand. But as a yugioh player it's probably that I overestimated how available removal instant cards are

Every card Jesse called wrong, I called right watching this but I thought the dinosaur was going to be trash. xD

3:45 MTG Judge here. Couple things wrong with that, first the legend rule, Eye of Ugin is legendary so there's no point where you'd have two in play in eldrazi winter, playing the second one means you lose the first. Second, even if you did play two with some Mirror Gallery type effect, Eye of Ugin reduces the cost by two generic mana each, Thought-Knot Seer requires three generic and one colorless, so you could only reduce the cost by the 3 generic mana with multiple Eyes of Ugin.

JUSTICE FOR REAPER OF THE WILDS 😭

Eldrazi winter wasn't the deck, it was the era. When Eldrazi were the number 1 deck BY FAR, easily a tier 0 deck for what ygo players would call a 'format. Also, Eye of Ugin is a legendary land so no, you don't go eye of ugin turn 1, eye of ugin turn 2. You would still only be able to have 1 eye of ugin on the field. What the deck did do though was play eye of ugin turn 1, and then play Eldrazi Mimic which is a 2 cost creature. Because of eye of ugin they would be free to play. And a playset in MTG is 4, not 3, so you could potentially have 4 creatures out on turn 1. Then turn 2 you would play Eldrazi temple, use it to add 2 colourless mana for a thought-knot seer to get a 4/4 creature onto the field, and with as many Eldrazi Mimics as you had, they would "mimic" the power and toughness of whatever colourless creature entered the battlefield. So basically you could have the up to 4 Eldrazi Mimics become 4/4's on turn 2. MTG starts at 20 life, and you could swing for 16 turn 2. That is unheard of in this game. If you are going to do collabs like this, please do your research a bit more so as to properly inform your viewers.

Wait, Jesse plays commander?? This can be the beginning of a lot of fun colabs!

Chernabog is the name of the Demon from the Fantasia bit, that resembles Demon of Catastrophes!

You didn't mention that companion was a mechanic that is so broken that it needed to be errated

18:50 totally looks like the thing from that Disney movie

Forgot to mention graveyard centric decks, where rotting regisaur 's text box turns into upside

"For 4 mana this card isn't great" "This card is amazing cause you can cheat it out" Yeah no shit

I use Rotting Regisaur's discard effect as part of my Madness Vampire deck strategy: - Falkenrath Gorger - Olivia, Mobilized for War - Bloodhall Priest - Bloodghast - Furyblade Vampire - Stromkirk Captain - Stromkirk Condemned - Stromkirk Noble - Flamewake Phoenix - Hazoret the Fervent - Madness spells - Flashback spells

He was right about demon of catastrophes looking like fantasia

Would love to see this format with Cemoooo Distantcoder and Dzeef

I used to run a lurrus deck on Arena. So many crippling enchantments that put -2/-2 on opponents that I would use to kill their creatures and nerf their bruisers… not to mention the cheap black deathtouch critters that I could sacrifice endlessly. It was good times.

Thought-knot Seer isn't played as much as it was in years past but it still has intrinsic strength

Jesse, the piece is called "Night on Bald Mountain" and the creature's name is Chernabog

Chernabog from Disney's Fantasia. Demon of Catastrophes looks like Chernabog.

It's funny to me that someone with a moderate amount of knowledge about MTG is struggling with this, because I've had a similar experience with friends who are Yugioh players. One of my Yugioh friends has played MTG and has a decent understanding of how it works. Still, I had a lot of fun having her look at pairs of similar cards from the same or related sets, because most of the time, it was pretty hard for her to figure out which one of each pair was actually any good. Conversely, with my moderately good understanding of Yugioh, I usually have a pretty good idea of whether cards they show me are good or at least useful in some way, even though I find Yugioh to be absurdly convoluted. Maybe it's because of how pushed the Yugioh meta always is, and how dependent it is on certain types of really strong monster effects. Like, MTG has that "creatures without some ETB/LTB effect aren't worth it", but the magnitude of it is so much greater in Yugioh. Which actually makes it surprising that Jesse didn't infer that there would be a Yorion deck based around its recurring blink effect!

Fantasia lol would be that disney movie

Evaluating creatures is always going to be hard. The "dies to removal" conversation is going to be based on what's in the format. There's that one Angel from around the Ixalan period (can't think of the set or card name) that was really good. The problem is that there was always a removal spell in the format that bullied it out. If the angel wasn't played then people stopped running the removal. As soon as the angel started showing up in decks, the removal started showing back up. A great card that was a threat but got bullied out of the format.

one thing not mentioned about the companions is that prior to the nerfing of the rule is that Lurrus was so good it was the only card banned in vinatge based solely on power level.

Hey, Yugi player here. I got a ruling question regarding the shown companion: I know there are cards in mtg that create exact copies, no? would the copy trigger the etb too? and could it target the og companion and they would reenter themselves and other etbs every turn?

you can't thought-knot seer off two eye of ugin on turn two, because it has a required colorless in it's cost. only the 3 generic part of the cost can be reduced.

There was so much wrong about the thought-knot seer, like the deck wasn’t called eldrazi winter, that was a time in the format

Some reasons why Rotting Regisaur was good, while Demon of Catastrophes is bad: * 3 Mana vs. 4 mana. This is SUPER important in most Magic formats, because mana efficiency is king and the effective difference between 3 mana and 4 mana is much greater than the effective difference between 4 mana and 5 mana. Most decks are built to guarantee you can get to 3 mana by turn 3 at pro levels, but the same is not true of getting to 4 mana by turn 4, and getting to turn 3 when you're on the play (having gone first) means your opponent has fewer removal options. * Certain board cost vs. potential hand cost. Even if everything goes right and you have 4 lands on turn 4, you might not have a creature to sacrifice to the demon. Or you might have creatures, but they're more integral to your long-term game plan than the demon is. Meanwhile, the Regisaur costs nothing to play, and the cost only happens after it's been in play at least a turn cycle. If an opponent kills the demon before you can attack with it, you've lost both the demon AND the creature you sacrificed to summon it for no gain. If an opponent kills the regisaur before your turn, you've just lost the dinosaur and no other resources. * Potential no-cost scenario. What happens if you don't have cards to discard to the Regisaur? Nothing. There's no penalty associated with it, and since it happens on your upkeep (before your draw step), you won't miss out on you draw for the turn if you can't pitch anything to it. The kinds of decks this plays in will empty its hand pretty fast to begin with, so there's a good chance this winds up being a virtual vanilla creature. The demon, on the other hand, always requires a sacrifice to play unless you're cheating it on to the battlefield, and if cheating cards on to the battlefield is your strategy, there's better targets for reanimation. * Speaking of cheating things into play, you can use the Regisaur to pitch things into your graveyard for future reanimation if your deck is built around that strategy, turning its downside into an upside. * One Black vs. Two Black. The color pips are a minor, but important, consideration. It's easier to play multiple colors when the cards don't cost multiples of the same color to case. The Regisaur often had a home in 3-color decks because of how easy it was to splash in, since it only required a single black mana. It could be the only black card in those decks and the land base could support it. meanwhile, the demon requires a heavier commitment to black to make sure it's castable on time, which limits the number of decks it might find a home in. * 7 power vs. 6 power. A very small, but important, difference is that one point of Power. Three hits from the 7/6 Regisaur to a player at 20 life will kill them. Three hits from the 6/6 demon, even if they all connect, leaves that player at 2 life. And the only life point that matters in Magic is the last one, so you need to hit them a 4th time to actually with the game. A 3 turn "life clock" vs a 4 turn "clock" is much harder for a player to deal with, especially since it begins one turn earlier in the game (or two turns, if you give the Regisaur haste like the example in the video). * Flying and Trample on the demon are redundant. Both of them are evasion abilities, abilities that allow a creature to avoid blockers in some fashion. Flying avoids creatures that can't fly, trample goes over the top of small creatures. It's very rare that you will need both on the same creature in most cases. So it might as well only have one of those abilities (Flying is usually better).

THATS MY GOAT!

I do love this video format. Maybe mixing in some wider camera cuts would provide some more engaging viewing

Awesome video!!

"Immagine shuffling an 80 card deck..." Commander players sweating while watching this. 💀

7:48 I think the cards selected for this game shouldn't be meta dependent because it's literally impossible for a Yugioh player to know the meta context of the time. Any card, no matter how good can be dwarfed in a meta if a better card existed to fill it's niche but that doesn't mean it's bad in absolute terms. As a Magic player, I can say the key insight that Jesse could have used to correctly guess the answer here was that you need 6 mana available to both play and protect this card making it too slow when "enter the battlefield" effects always exist. He shouldn't need to know about Siege Rhino otherwise this is just a game of chance guessing whether a better card existed at the time of release for the same mana cost.

Holy shit I wasnt expecting him on here

Yorion was only banned for taking to long to shuffle. Not for being too good. Also nothing wrong with companions.

Thought Knot Seer is played heavily. Yeah uh...I dunno if I'd tell some one that without saying "back in the day". The deck it was in got it's key pieces banned so now this card isn't played any where.

I think as a yugioh player the reason it’s hard to decipher how good mtg cards are is cause they all sound mediocre-bad. I’m trying to translate them into if I played them in yugioh (because it’s my only frame of reference) would they be good? And the answer is no for like every card on here.

I play Magic and I STILL thought Thought-Knot was trash. It's fun seeing people try to rate Magic cards because there's so many crazy synergies they're just not aware of that can boost a card from pack filler to being on a ban list.

the last one, i would say is good and even if it wasn;t i would still play it just because it looks like a super cool skeleton dino

wait how are you having 3 Eye of Ugin's if it's legendary? 3:42

He got Thought-Knott Seer right "unless you have a way to cheat it out" Eye of Ugin counts as cheating. But he seems way too focused on statlines, which are a huge deal in Hearthstone, but only matter in low-power interaction formats like Standard. Also, Sheoldred is Legacy playable, bordeline Vintage playable in black decks. Its not like, Orcish Bowmasters good, but it punishes the powerful draw spells and works well with your own draw spells (especially The One Ring). Not really fair to compare it to a borderline-standard-playable beater.

Eldrazi winter isn't the name of the deck, Eldrazi winter is the short period of time where the Eldrazi deck dominated and essentially tier 0. I guess cards are hard to evaluate without context. Like here, the guy didn't knew about the other cards needed to make Thoght-knot Seer good. Maybe just include cards that are good on their own.

Giving him tks without format knowledge is unfair (also you can't play 2 eye of ugin, it's legendary). Also doesn't still see t1 play Regisaur was also part of Hogaak summer towards the tail end as an incredible plan b

While a couple of these may have been unfair with the card alone, I assume if he asked 'Can you cheat this out?' then you would have told him about the synergy. The companion is still a little absurd to me though. Can you use its effect multiple times a game? I think that was my incorrect assumption that it could only be used once.

the only question is why put Rotting Regisur in a deck when you could put in colossal dreadmaw? Thats all you need in a card so powerful even if you arnt in green its worth putting in.

Reaper of the wilds was relised BEFORE Rhino (Rhino if KTK while Reaper is original Theros), and actually was pretty good in MonoG devotion with black splash (for thoughsize). MoinoGreen was kinda top-deck and Gb was MonoG-killer while against other decks it was nearly as good as monoG but worse against burn, because have less health-gain then MonoG.

Something else about Yorion is that there's so many cards in magic, and there's a lot of redundancy. It's not a drawback to play 20 more cards if those 20 cards are just as good as the first 60. Yorion decks usually aren't trying to combo off, just play a controlling game, and always having access to an extra card that threatens to make you go over the top at any point is way too strong. Magic is inherently a resources based game, and every inch counts. An 8 card starting hand is much much better than a 7 card hand

yorin is my flicker deck commander because its fun as a flicker on a creature it neat

Just curious what is Upkeep and Tapping? Is it like activating a card ?

these videos are real cool to see how people see cards. even in magic itself there are really powerful cards and mana sometime plays a part and sometimes not. a few notes Eye of ugin is legendary so you can only have one on the board at a time and it would never make the card free even if you could you would have to pay the mana symbol. also speed is not the same for the games though not seer is still really good even on turn 4 or on curve just know what they have and taking something away can make or brake a game most destroy all card cost 4 or more and just taking that away is super good food for thought for everyone

Soon the YGO, MTG and Hearthstone communities will be so in tune that we'll just be able to say "battlecry" and people will know.