Z06 Fatigue? 

The dealer network model of selling this car needs to be destroyed

Fred... I think you hit the nail on the head. It also sounds like you were addressing this to GM and their executive teams. I do hope there are at least one or two that took the time to view this message and that it is not perceived to be too insulting. I think you had some solid points all while acknowledging your understanding of GM's risks in disclosing details and gag orders (so to speak). I agree, transparency is a better policy. I too hit burnout long ago but damn, I still want a Z06 really bad :)

Fred, A few weeks ago I was at Universal Studios in Orlando. Riding the VelociCoaster is like the my experience from the time I put down my deposit at MM Sep 2020...just like the coaster it has been twists, turns, upside down, around in a circle. Admittedly my excitement has wained. I think GM is caught between the proverbial rock and a hard place, global shortages has had an impact and there is no definitive answer to availability. A year ago I was very excited, anxious to get mine ASAP. Now, if I am able to buy one, I probably will, if that does not work out, life goes on. Sully

Fred, I believe you've nailed it in regards to a lack of communications. And although I may suffer from "Z06 Fatigue," my enthusiasm hasn't suffered in the process. Having sold my 2015 Z06 over a year ago in anticipation of this new C8 Z06/Z07, I've been without a Corvette for over a year. That really hurts! But perhaps a better word for what we're feeling is anxiety, or at least in my particular case. Keeping in mind we all react to anxiety in different ways while it remains an emotion, things can get somewhat dicey if not kept in check.. And any emotion if not kept in check can often have negative results. While I continue to suffer through this long waiting game counting the days, weeks and months, I refuse to give up the faith that all good things come to those willing to wait. Granted some longer than others, which I know doesn't help.... Particularly for those late to the party if you know what I mean. I was kinda puzzled by the topic you presented in this latest video insofar as there's recently been some major news breaks coming out of Bowling Green. There's been progress made on the ramp up in production and they are going to be opening up more allocations this month (November) rather than waiting until this next January-February. They've also begun making deliveries of these newest Z06 & Z07's while opening up even more options available in the process. So, things are looking up, but I agree, they might want to work on their communications skills in the future....

Hey Fred, Another great Vid! Spot on about the fatigue. I think a lot of us are feeling it and the way information on the car drips out has been torture. I don’t want my experience to be ruined by the delays and misinformation that’s out there. I’m fortunate to have the GS and it would be a shame to not enjoy what I have because of the overshadow of the Z06. Keep me included on an upcoming driving tour, particularly if you’re planning something in the CT/MA area!

Awww...Yeah... It's Fredday Again...ha ha ha! Fred, I 100% agree with you and your thoughts about how GM mishandled the release of the Z06. It is a shame that customer service or support doesn't seem to be a factor in GMs business plan. A definite change across the board is needed. For example, take all the dealerships doing all these shady deals, markups, donate to charity schemes, etc. We all know is a terrible way to do business, but some people will agree to pay, so the market exists to continue with the shady practices. Harlan Charles himself said, unfortunately their not in the wrong, because of these old original contract agreements. There in lie's the problem GM. It's time to wipe the slate clean and start fresh! Get back to business with the customers in mind and fix all these dealership issues! Enjoy your weekend -Shane

Fred, Enjoy listening to your take on the Z-06. Yes, fatigue has definitely set in!! I too am on the list with MacMulkin Chevrolet. Was told right from the beginning from them that I'm likely to see a second year Z-06 as I'm currently at 537. GM has had all kinds of issues with the release of the C-8, so I've personally just have to realize that good things don't happen right away, especially with all things going on in the world today. We live in a different world than just a couple years ago, so just have to realize there are issues way beyond anything that I can control!! No one knows (except GM) what the production numbers on this car will be, so I will just patiently wait until I get the call hopefully by this time next year to order my car!! Keep the info coming, wished I could cruise with you all!! Save the Wave!!👍🏻

You are right on Fred. I don't even have the car and I'm over it already. I got so disenfranchised I bought a 807hp Jailbreak last week. Texas Mile was amazing in the regular Hellcat already. Fastest cars there were modified C5 and C6 cars. So much cheap fun to be had to be in a $150k carguy jail.

Fred - Great video as usual and you nailed it on Z06 Fatigue. The Z06 may be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but personally, I am over it. Delays, delays, delays, combined with a huge price increase over what was expected, and the dealers in a feeding frenzy over how much they can gouge customers over MSRP - I am done. I will keep my 19 GS. I am on a list for an 'E-Ray,' but I am afraid GM will do the same thing as they have with the Z06 and I will end up keeping my GS. What a shame for the loyal Corvette community. Good luck with your eventual Z06 decision.

I'm approaching 2 yrs since I placed my 1st of 2 deposits at different dealerships. My initial excitement has faded. I thought I was the only one experiencing Z06 fatigue. The worst part is I sold my C7 right after I put my deposit down so I've had no corvette experience for almost 2 years straight after owning a new C6 for 5 yrs and a new C7 for 5 yrs. Your vid was very well stated.

I have numerous friends and acquaintances over Decades of time that feel the same way. Lots of excitement about a car that promises lots of fun but is unattainable at this point for many if not all. I guess some lucky people who are willing to pay sticker or more are getting these cars sometime soon? I've completely lost interest fatigue in the most realistic terms has not only set in, but hardened to a solid foundation . Gonna love my C7Z for many years to come. Great video Fred.👍

Fred Well said, today, totally in agreement with you GM could do a better job over all Keep up the good work 👍

Hi Fred. What a surprise it was to find myself on the callout whiteboard - I guess that’s what it’s like when my kids get picked for student of the month. It’s a cool idea that engages you more with your subscribers and helps to gel your base. As far as the content of this video, once again you nailed it. I appreciate your well thought out and supported arguments. I’m still more enthusiastic than not, though truthfully, like you, I have experienced some amount of fatigue. I actually quit following news myself earlier this year and it was sort of liberating. Of course I gradually got pulled back and am now back to doing a brief daily scan of the news to see if anything has changed. It’s once again sort of tiring, but perhaps I put up with it because I’m in the very very low 200s at Ciocca, so I’m optimistic that I might get one before the end of next year (still feels like eons). All that said, I’m not blindly drinking the Z06 kool-aid. I do have a few alternative cars on my radar and if something enticing (pricing/desirability) pops up, I might be swayed. That said, it’s still hard to beat the value proposition offered by the Z06. I was close to reserving the Emira (didn’t because the Z06 flat plane trumped the manual from Emira) and have looked at manual R8 V10s, and used GT3 (still eye-wateringly expensive by comparison). I’m a mess. Ok my rambling is over. Thanks Fred, and keep up the good work.

What is up Fredy! Hopefully us Canadians can get some pricing soon on the Z06! Cheers

Good morning, I’m totally in agreement with you about GM’S handling of the roll out of the 2023 Corvette Z06. I’ve had a 2020 C8 now for over 2 years and to me it’s the best handling car for the money. I’m starting question whether I need the Z06.

Nailed it, over years have been on list many months, year plus but Porsche and dealers gave fairly accurate estimates. My dealer, good people, Redwood City Chevrolet have no idea, 2023 to 2025.

YES I HAVE ZO6 Fatigue, I AGREE 100% WITH YOU ,, GGGGGGREAT VIDEO, GM is NOT doing a good job , these cars R VERY Expensive like you said and some ( ME ) People have saved $$ For years for this car Like you said , People that buy THIS car are not buying a Sonic , the Customers SHOULD BE treated like Ferrari/ Lamborghini Buyers

Yup, Chevy announced the Z06 1 year to early.

I, too, clearly am fatigued with the Z06 and all the talk. While I'm not looking to assess blame, it feels like a constant teaser. The price is what it is, and while it's a lot of money, that, at the moment is somewhat definitive. The other thing is that cars are changing every day, and similar to computers, something you buy today will be old news and obsolete tomorrow. I'm concerned that, by the time this one comes, there will be something newer, better, and faster...out there. I think GM is years ahead of the competition on this one, but the longer they take to get it out there, the more of that lead they lose. (all that presumes that this is not the last gas-engined performance model to leave the factory.) Great job, as always!

Have had a deposit on the Z06 since February of 2021 and I'm tired of GMs BS so at this point I Placed an order on a Porsche GT4. GM ruined this experience for me. I'm happy with my 21 C8 so thats as far as I will go with GM . They are a Circus. Best of luck on yours Fred.

Nailed it, good video

Maybe the bottom-line is "communication skills". Positives may be occurring that are not getting to the majority who are not digging for them. The Pandemic and the continuing delay of parts by suppliers is new phenomenon that GM is not well prepared for and maybe not handling well. I'm sure that GM realizes that creating hype, through excellent promotion, must be followed up as soon as possible by providing that product while the "iron is hot". Maybe unforeseen was the monumental interest in the Z06, resulting in long deposit wait lists, would test the patience and interest level of even the most dedicated who placed those deposits long before the promotion program began. Seems that the increased base price did not significantly take people off waiting lists, but time, the economy, stock market and interest rates may do that.

Agreed on the fatigue. I'm on a list, but the emotional yo-yo has resulted in me becoming less interested in the car. I usually don't look for new videos on the car, and actually just stumbled across this one because of my cookies from the past.

I am still pondering if the ZO6 is a vehicle I want or need? Given my current age, soon to be 67 and health concerns, I wonder. I still wish to have more information, especially as to the LT6 reliability! Of course the price of a six figure automobile should give anyone pause to consider such a purchase. However, there is so much demand for the ZO6, it’s almost a certainty there will be no problem finding a person to buy the car from you if you had to sell it. It is depressing when the finish line keeps being moved. I’m still on the MM list and have moved about 50 spots, but still over 1600, I am highly unlikely to receive an allocation for years. As to your situation Fred, that Porsche could be an alternative. I have a friend that is first on a list at a South Central PA dealership that has the hope of receiving an allocation, but he also advised me he has a 2 year wait on getting a 911 Turbo S. He currently has quite a stable now. 911, 2009 ZR1, 2020 C8, 1969 Yenko Clone and an SUV. He has pretty good connections, so if the dealership gets an allocation, he may in fact get a ZO6. I’m curious about the Eray, unless I’m not looking in the right places, not too much information has been coming out lately. It’s too bad GM doesn’t offer optional engines for the Stingray. Let’s put the LS9 or LT5 out there or Supercharge the LT2. Glad to see you’re looking good after your vacation. My wife is off to Aruba tomorrow. I backed out about a month ago, not wanting to be a drag on our friends due to my health concerns. Didn’t want to have a problem and have to depend on care outside the USA either! I told her take her friend with her and the couple that have the condo were ok with that. I hope to get a few more cruises in the C8 before it goes into Hibernation. I sure wish you could find a way to keep your C7 since you love that car. Perhaps you can save up a lot before your allocation comes through. I’d need to look at the configurator again, but I think I got a fairly bare bones ZO6 for around $128,000 but there will undoubtedly be price increases from year to year. The C8 is certainly enough car for just about anyone and has adequate power too! I sure am jumping around from thought to thought lol. That ride looks great, but I don’t think I could endure that much time anymore. Take care buddy!!! Doug

Yeah I'm done! Would love to have the car but I'm moving on to a 911!

It hurts waiting so long. I'm #6 at a small dealer. At this point, I hope I get a 2024 and not have to wait until 2025. I'm scared that it might never happen. How long will GM keep making high performance gas only powered vehicles?? Dodge has said 2023 is the last year of the Hellcat variants other than the TRX that they said they'll carry into 2024. Ford seems to be hinting the Dark Horse Mustang might be the final hurrah. I even purchased a different vehicle because I couldn't stand the wait. Idk, maybe there's a bright side. Maybe more colors will be available. or more options. Perhaps quality control will improve and get any bugs worked out. I have an agreement for msrp but I'm pretty sure msrp as well as option pricing will increase in 2024 and more in 2025.

More like burn out! MSRP is too high and dealer mark up is out of control.

Thank God I have a C7 Grand Sport / 66 Sting Ray to play with. I find the same thing. A Communication breakdown, and this is GM with people making big bucks. Somewhat unprofessional. I'm 75 years old and waiting for a Z06.

Hi Freddie

What if we wanted to go in future years and couldn’t go on the next one?