Garrulous64 Hi 👋 I’m not sure if you’ll see this but what if Zavok and the Deadly six were villains for Dr Eggman to face and overcome? Like how Black Doom & Mephiles were villains to Shadow? I’m curious to hear your opinion on this is? (Thank you for reading.)🙏
MetalKingBoo I’m pretty sure he still is,after all, Infinite is just another character that looks like a deviant art oc that wants to take the spotlight and became powerful by harnessing the power of a rare jewel and wearing a mask. XD
Chaos: Misunderstood chao who wanted vengeance and in the end resorted back to being good. Dark Gaia: Massive demon who literally destroyed the world. Was defeated through sacrifice. Metal Sonic: Sonic's non verbal comic like rival who is almost as Iconic as sonic himself. Zavok: Thicc bad boy with Thicc muscles who looks at the camera for 2 minutes and then disappears.
i dont even think chaos is a good villain,but at least there would be a reason to bring him back.the chaosemeralds are still a vital part of soniclore,right? they kinda disappeared randomly
Okay... This is really starting to frustrate me. You keep saying ZAH-VUK. That's not how it's pronounced. The correct pronunciation is... Discount Bowser.
I don't personally mind Zavok being in TSR, it's really not a big deal to me at all, but I definitely don't think anyone has a right to claim hypocrisy on liking Bowser but not Zavok. The only thing they have in common are Sonic Team's poor attempts to have a Bowser-esque villain for their heavily Mario-esque game at the time, the two are completely different in every other way so the comparison is completely negligible in my opinion
I would have to agree with you there. The king of Koopa himself I always thought was a great character due to games like inside story and I was able to at least take him a little bit seriously, but Zavok? I don't like at all, and he is in no way comparable to Bowser. (Mind you I hate lots about Lost World).
That doesn't even make sense. Why should you like an inferior version of something? If anything that's more reason to dislike it because it's clearly failing to do anything that makes what it's based on special.
Right at 6:09 when you asked what Zavok was, a trailer for a Marvel game came up and Thanos was immediately standing there. It took me a second to realize it was an ad, I thought you were comparing Zavok to Thanos for some reason.
Despite the sheer amount of wasted potential Infinite had, he still at least has a cool design, slick voice and a kickass theme song. Zavok has nothing going for him besides being a blatant Bowser rip-off, and also being *the* most generic, forgettable villain in a video-game I’ve ever played.
Infinite is RIGHT THERE. He doesn't have much more personality than Zavok but atleast they TRIED to give a him a backstory with the comic and episode shadow. He's also Eggman's only partner that hasn't betrayed him AND accomplished Eggman's goals of world domination. Zavok is diet Bowser.
Also infinite has a much better character design than Zavok. Zavok is such a lazy character. Edit. although gamma is canonically dead, why not have some sort of eggman robot as the third member, it would make sense since nobody else likes him.
Infinite has a better personality too. He tries to be an edgelord and act scary but he is just weak and with a lot of fear inside him. Also Cubot and Orbot would have been better.
i'm the catman, don't forget though, Infinite's backstory was retconned by the end of the game when they revealed he was kept in a lab and was Metal Sonic lite all along.
Charii assumed he might owe Eggman something. What if the doctor sent one of his robots to attack Zavok and then "saved" the zeti,who in turn decided to thank Robotnik and joined his team?
@@СозданиеБезымянное Sonic saved Zavok from Eggman's control and then Zavok Literally treathened to turn sonic's best friend into a robot,so yeah,Zavok isn't really a guy you can trust.
Bowser has the ability to be both charming and intimidating, sometimes both at the same time. Zavok has neither of those things. He is just......Zavok.
@@dapperfan44 Just because a character is based off of something doesn't make them inherently well-written or impactful or *good*, nor does that automatically make the symbolism something that's well-implemented into or well-represented in his character. No one was saying the Deadly Six wasn't based off of a concept, we all know that, it's obvious and goes without saying. We're saying that Bowser is a good character, and that Zavok is not.
@@dapperfan44 dapperfan44 If I made up a character that was based on Satan, that doesn't just automatically make it good. There needs to be competent writing, and character traits, motivations that make sense, etc. In other words, he has to be an ACTUAL CHARACTER instead of a stand-in for something else. Otherwise you could just call him "Wrath" or "Satan" because he's not really a character, just a rip-off of something else. Also, "shows what you know"? Really?
@@Garrulous64 Luna Alex even then, it's a _Sonic game_ at the end of the day. I'm not looking for Uncharted-level writing, I'm just here to have fun. Fighting Zavok was fun, therefore I was pleased.
Personally I think Infinite would have been a better choice. Think about it: Sega REALLY hyped that guy up and fans were *excited* to see him in Forces. Forces didn't really do many good things with him, but he's got a lot of potential. He's a stand-alone character, too. But the main thing is this: he was loyal to Eggman until the end. It's like Sega wants Infinite to be his new assistant. Zavok was not loyal to Eggman and betrayed him the second he had the chance. It would honestly make more sense to have Infinite rather than Zavok.
Well-said, sir. Sega needs to start asking Sonic Team to give thought to store, lore, and character relationships; this would have been a vast improvement in that regard.
In Lost World, Zavok and the rest of the Deadly Six stopped being loyal to Eggman because Sonic kicked the horn out of Eggman's hands that controlled the Deadly Six.
Sonic Team wasting a character's potential? Now where have I seen that before? *Stares at Silver* In all seriousness I agree, Infinite should've been in Sonic TR, not Zavok
Ah yes, it's make more sense putting a character so powerful who defeated Sonic *driving a car* , i mean Team Sonic Racing is after Sonic Forces and putting a character that mysterious who we don't know he died or just dissapeared *driving a car* it's just to ridiculous, he just dissapeared leaving us the mystery if he's dead or no, but hell yeah let's solve that mystery putting him back *driving a car*
I really think the only reason they chose Zavok in TSR is because Chaos doesn't speak. But if that's the case, why not just go with Infinite? Infinite at least has fans, even if it's only for his design.
Exactly. They hyped Infinite up so hard for Forces and then they just threw him away because the reception was bad. They clearly didn't have any faith in him as a character.
Orbot and Cubot in one car King hard boiled heavie in a car Hell...SCRATCH AND GROUNDER WOULD HAVE BEEN WAY BETTER! No one likes zavoc...he is way too boring
Basically Zavoc, and the deadly six are just poor versions of Bowser and the Koopalings. Sure the Koopalings have one main trait, but even they’re still more fleshed out characters.
Not really. At least the Six can talk. I mean the Koopalings have a lot more games though. Sega needs to flesh out the Six if they want to keep using them. And they need to be together.
@@Garrulous64 And you know there are actually a lot of characters in Sonic that have more personality that don't talk now that I think about it. Like Chaos and (usually)Metal Sonic.
Yeah wait a minute, Metal Sonic doesn't talk and he can race. The Chao don't talk and they can race. Why couldn't they just use Chaos for Eggman's team? People woulda ate that up.
I still don’t get why they gave Zavok a boss fight, instead of Chaos. Yes, of course! Because Zavok is *SUCH* *a popular character* that he needs a boss fight, and not Chaos.
I wouldn't really say adding Zavok is like adding Ludwig. It's more like adding Axem Ranger Red. Didn't do much except lead a team of cliches and lost. It's hard for me to be mad or annoyed with the choice of Zavok because at the end of the day, it's a racing game and it will only be looked at for a short period of time. In other words, I can't bring myself to care.
Going by TWIP, the game's gonna be really good anyways. So. . .who cares. Plus. . .DLC and/or secret unlockable characters are not out of the question.
I really think you nailed it here, Dylan! Bowser works because we got a twenty hour game of fleshing out to make up for the twenty years of missing character development, and that worked because the writers made Bowser one of the most lovable characters in video game history. Bowser is able to stand on his own in character and personality, without his minions, because he's got a depth to him and a lot of moments that define and make him memorable. Heck, Zavok being a recent character isn't even an issue! Rosalina was introduced in 2007, and because she was loved by fans she got to be in tons of future titles. Same thing is happening with Pauline, an-old-turned-new fan favorite, with her being included in Mario Tennis Aces and a Spirit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate! Sure, they have supporting elements, like Luma for Rosalina and Donkey Kong for Pauline, but they're still their own character. Zavok is written poorly, requires cohorts to matter, and, beyond being able to block attacks from Super Sonic in one of his fights. doesn't have anything outstanding or memorable to him. It's far too late to rework him into a reoccurring character, and we have enough of those as it is. Team Eggman's heavy character could've been E-100 (Zero), you know... that robot that chases Amy in Sonic Adventure that no one seems to know the name of... and it would've been better. I would've liked to see an updated model of that thing!
At least Infinite had a tiny bit of depth and things that made him memorable (in both good and bad ways), but he was at least a half-decent villain. He would have been a better choice for the power type (Eggman could force him into the role if he's still around). Although, I believe that an artificial Chaos clone or just some Eggman robot (heck, even an EggPawn) would have been better choices than Zavok.
It doesn't even make sense with the Teams thing either, Eggman could have been Power, Metal could have been Speed and Orbot & Cubot (or someone else) could have been Technical, but why did we get this instead? It doesn't make sense to me.
@Daniel von Strangle For the Orbot & Cubot thing, nobody asked for 4 chaos yet we got them so why not them, not only that but it would make a lot of sense why they are with Eggman, and i say no for Tails Doll for 2 things, First of all how is a doll going to drive a car?, And second of all i don't think Sega will use the character thanks to that Creepypasta, i know its not real but other people/kids may not know it so i don't think its going to give Sega a good reputation for the game.
The only trait that Eggman have of a power character is... that he's fat, like Big. That's really the only thing I can tell. Maybe in his gundam/robot from SA2 he feels "powerful", but I don't see them put Eggman in a gundam in a car x)
Nintendo: "We make new characters and carry them on the best we can to be sure they are fitting and are favorable. Sega: "We make new characters yet don't really give a damn what happens to them or whatever else."
Nintendo literally puts Metal Mario and Pink Gold Peach as playable characters in spinoffs despite those being not even real characters. Also Dr.Mario in Smash. No excuse.
@@iregretsomeofmypreviouscom3284 Literally the only thing Sega (or sonic team) do when it comes to new characters is that they don't even try thinking about how it should work in the game. This is them: "Hey look we made a new sonic character lets just throw him in there and see if he or she does a great job or not." Take a good look at this: no thinking, no going into terms and no plan. Every time a new character is introduced in a sonic game it can always turn out to be either boring, uninteresting, dumb or annoying.
I don't know why they put Zavok in, but not Cream or the other Chaotix Atleast I REMEMBERED Cream and The Chaotix, But I always keep forgetting about Zavok, and the Deadly six in general...
They needed a character for Team Eggman. And before you say it, adding Infinite in a racing game inmediately after he apeared would be a wasted oportunity. If he will return he should do it in a meaningful way.
Zavok's inclusion doesn't make sense in Team Eggman, since he hates Eggman. It would've made more sense if he had his own team with Zazz and Zeena. They also could've used Infinite to be in Eggman's team, too, so why is Zavok in Eggman's team?!
This video is so right in every way. Zavok is so underwhelming compared to Bowser when you play through Bowsers Inside Story because the interactions in that game with chippy/star low, the bros, peach, and ESPECIALLY fawful and midbus are beautifully written. You can tell the story writers behind that game had a blast embracing the characters in that game and actually put effort into the plot.
Infinite: >Has some popularity >Cool design >Somewhat intimidating >Funny backstory >He is not weak >Doesn't get in TSR Zavok: >Uh, he is a villain >Uh >He is a villain >Gets in TSR
The Koopalings are indeed being characterized more. In Paper Jam, Color Splash, and the new modes, especially Bowser Jr's Journey, I like them more than just their designs. They are developing characters now, and I actually want them to return in more main games, as long as they aren't the main bosses. One of my favorite ideas for a new 2D Mario game that I've came up with, is splitting up the Volcano World and Bowser's Castle. Instead of having Bowser's Castle be a single level, you would go inside of it, and there would be 7-9 more levels. Each One would go through a different part of the castle, and you'd end up inside someone's room. That someone being a Koopaling, and you'd fight them. That way they can be in the game, and have their time to shine, but instead of being the main bosses of each world, they would be the boss of their home, and the main bosses can ACTUALLY be interesting characters. I'm starting to ramble about the problems with 2D Mario now, so I think I'll end this here.
I agree 100%. Especially about the Bowser part. I first played Bowser’s Inside Stort on the DS, and he has way more personality than Zavok could ever dream of. Great video!
One of my favorite things about Forces were the trailers where they showed all the returning villains and all of them look super iconic and then we pan to Zavok, who looks super out of place just purely over how generic he looks.
As someone who actually really likes Zavok, i can say his inclusion in Team Sonic Racing makes no sense at all. He hates Eggman's guts, there's no way they're gonna come up with a good reason why he's working with him, especially after Forces dropped that ball. He's just introduced like it's normal for him to be working with Eggman and that's...confusing, to say the least. TBH I think Infinite of all characters would work in that slot. He dissappeared in a similarly anticlimatctic manner, sure, but he actually willingly worked with Eggman and never betrayed him, only butting heads with him in the past. If not that option, why not have Orbot & Cubot in one car? That'd be fun.
I feel that even disregarding the Mario RPG's Bowser is still a more likable character. He's always doing something unexpected. His fight in New Super Mario Bros isn't a platforming stage. He has a realistic looking dragon in odyssey. He has a cool car in 3d world. Zavok never does anything cool, interesting, unique, or surprising. He's just dull.
I honestly wish there was one more member so that could be based on the Seven Deadly Sins. Zavok would easily be Wrath, Zeena would be Lust, Zom would be Gluttony, Zik would be Pride, Zor would be Sloth, and Zazz... uh, maybe Envy? So the last one would be based on Greed. I mean if two particular anime can flesh out seven characters, why not Sega?
Who actually likes Zavok? I understand why he was put in forces, they needed a fourth bad guy to round out that line up, but why are they putting him in TSR? Who likes this guy. Chaos or Infinite, heck or even someone more obscure like Mephilis or Imparator Ix from chronicles would have been neat. (I understand why they wouldn't do mephitis though, he does have a neat design.) Seriously, how does this guy stick around?
Zerodot 0 I mean... Mephiles was already thrown into a canon spin-off game... granted it was a mobile one but they still did. They already have some DLC lined up though, I wouldn't be shocked if one of the teams is a Team Deity consisting of: Power: Chaos Technique: Tikal Speed: Mephiles Jus to throw in a third member even if Mephiles doesn't have a connection to them despite all having connections to or being a higher authority. Because I don't think we can fit Dark Gaia into a car or anything.
The simplistic “no direction” style that Mario has doesn’t work well with Sonic. You can really see that in these games in the past decade. That’s why he’s such I a shit villain. Especially when you look back towards people like Chaos, Shadow, Mephiles, etc. Those characters were also back when these games had more fleshed out stories, characters, and lore.
While I do understand your opinion entirely and agree with almost everything you said, there is one thing I want to say.... Mario Kart 8 originally had the Koopalings( without Bowser Jr.) as playable characters. The game also added Pink Gold Peach and Metal Mario(Two characters based off of other characters) into the game. Zavock is a "character" that doesn't need to be in this game( And probably is a leftover from Forces ), I will give you that( Especially since we should of had the entirety of Team Chaotix and Cream in Sliver and Blaze's team). But this isn't as big an issue as Nintendo had with their own characters( ie. Toadette, Pink Gold Peach, Daisy isn't considered a major character despite debuting from a mainline game, Waluigi and Professor.Gaud not being considered for a racing spinoff, and the presence of Dry Bowser( even though he is a *Dead* version of Bowser). Many Characters are either forgotten or not even within the thoughts of the developers, and Sonic is a series with this big issue. But the Mario series is no saint with this issue( especially when Nintendo decides to create characters out of Princess Peach. P.S: I meant no harm when writing this.
honestly, i'd rather see infinite come back than zavok. as for him being the power slot... shouldn't that go to eggman? he was power type in the riders games, so i see little to no reason he shouldn't keep that.
Because 1) that game operated on Heroes types, and thus, had no other workable types, 2) he's Skill in the Olympics, and 3) he's an evil genius, making him Power when a type for smart people exists in the same game is inherently wasteful.
Zavok, the rest of the Deadly Six, And Infinite are main reasons I want new writers for the games. They get hyped up so much but they end up being generic and forgettable because the writers suck dick at making new characters interesting. If they were in control of someone like Shadow in his first appearance, I have a feeling he wouldn’t be as loved as he is today.
Im not sure why but i kind of like zavok. The idea of a sonic universes bowser is intresting to me. I dont know whats wrong with me. I just think hes kinda cool.
Zavok is technically the best Deadly Six member though. Like, they're all trash but he's probably the least trash besides Zazz, but that's not saying much. Trash is still trash.
I like him decently. Who would you put as the power though? Chaos is a deeper character and he's not really a villain. Maybe they should have made an original villian. LOL it does imply the zeti get straight up killed. Honestly the 3DS version shows them fly away at least. Maybe we should give Zavok a chance. Half the Sonic cast would be bland characters if we only count Colors onward. And I agree, the Deadly Six need to be together.
@@Garrulous64 Infinite was such a disappointment to me honestly. Biggest letdown of a character ever. He was advertised up to be this godlike entity that surpasses Sonic in every way and would push him to his limits, but in the actual game that never happens. I would like them to give Infinite a better backstory and another chance, but I doubt they will.
He really was, but I feel that his design was better, he stands on his own as a character (Zavok doesn't) and they put a lot of time into marketing Forces, so it shocks me they didn't just go with him.
@@Garrulous64 They need to give his worldview a reason to be what it is and make him powerful without the crutch of the Phantom Ruby. The reason he comes off as so silly is lack of justification for his edginess imo. And Sonic's reactions to him are also a problem. Remember in the trailer for Forces when Sonic was all pissed off and serious? Yeah, not in the game. :/
@@GordieKat Well it's the writers who made his potential underdeveloped and half-baked he could've been a dominating villain it would've been better off if he didn't have a backstory sometimes it makes the villain more threatening and devious if we're actually curious about a villain that just pretty much came out of nowhere.
I really feel like tails doll or infinite would have been a way better choice, like zavok is one of those villans thats like "oh i am scary so you should be shaking in your boots!" kind of villan. hell, i only liked zavok when he went all bowser in lost worlds final boss. so im totally on point with ur opinion.
They just keep pushing this white desk of a character for no reason and it kinda looks like one guy on the st creative staff just keeps pushing his cool original character design to be featured in more and more sonic games. I think Zavok was also in one of the olympic games
OK, look. I understand Cream and Cheese aren't the most important and interesting characters in the series, but why do you choose random Chao and ZAVOK, over her? Cream at least is more interesting than either of them, and has been in the series longer than Zavok. SEGA, what are you doing?
@@draco4450 Being old enough doesn't really work when there is a certain someone with two tails that easily can drive. I understand he's kind of the exception, but it's still a faulty argument nonetheless. And Cream has been in recent titles, like Sonic Generations, as well as in the mobile Sonic Forces game. If she's faded into obscurity, why do they still use a character like Blaze, who also hasn't been seen since Sonic Forces, or Big, who wasn't even been in a main Sonic title since who knows how long.
I like Zavok and the other Deadly Six -conceptually, they're very one note and poorly written- but I am 100% ready to hear you roast him for ten minutes
Not to defend Zavok or anything, but He's having hardly any games to grow his personality compared to Bowser. And if Super Mario PRG never happened, we won't get him as he is in Super Mario Sunshine and beyond. King Koopa would still be NES villain cut-out... And don't forget old North American manual booklets, Nintendo Power magazines and shows what made up Bowser's lore as we know. Sega just doesn't care of adding the printed trivia to their characters nowadays. Even IDW don't seem to be fond of expanding the Deadly Six either.
Well. I respect your opinion. I personally am more in between but Zavok is just not intresting enough. If he had more things like a backstory (Unlike Infinite who's backstory is literally Mercenary, then Shadow called him weak, then he kills everybody.), he would be better. And me personally think that Chaos should be there instead of Zavok. At least we get some... Variety I guess?
"The Deadly Six worked in Lost World because together they basically made up one functioning antagonistic force. If you meshed them all together, their personalities would probably fill up one somewhat memorable villain..." Now I'm thinking that Lost World's story would have been significantly improved by explaining that each of the Six was (or contained) a fragment of an original super-being's essence and were seeking to reunite back into its original form, or something along those lines. Maybe the twist is that Zavok has the mind of the original, so he's the only one that knows that the others are going to be losing their individuality/powers once they reach the endgame that they are all ostensibly working towards.
Something I've noticed when you were listing off previous villains and their stories and eventually got to Zavok: It just feels like Sega doesn't care about their story writing or building up characters like they used to. If they want us to like these characters, they need to give them more of a personality or something that stands out. Same thing can be said with Infinite, before Forces, everyone was hyped for this new villain and all he did was get called 'weak' by Shadow and at the end of the game Infinite just disappears into nothing. It also doesn't help with how the writing has been in the recent Sonic games. If we get a new main Sonic game this year, I'm hoping for good writing and a fleshed out villain or new character Edit: I didn't watch the whole video as I was typing this ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
zavoc imo doesnt even design wise belong in a sonic game, he came from lost world where everything was more un-sonic-y in aesthetic than ever. He just looks so simple and unappealing. He doesnt seemt o have texture or interesting limbs. Compare him with eggman and one'll notice how much more detail eggman has in each part of his body. I would've by far preferred cubot and orbot for technique so eggman could go power.
Honestly I never really cared about Zavok either way. While I liked lost world more then others but not to a love standpoint (I need to replay it) I was caught in a weird place not knowing why Zazz or Zavok showed up so much (they were shortly in rio Olympics) but even though the designs are generic why everyone was so upset about them. That being said this video clarified that so much for me and makes complete sense. I always remembered chaos due to childhood shadows awesome and so is metal sonic. Infinite had so much potential and just flopped sadly. These characters worked because in a lot of cases they either developed (like shadow) or took over as the final villain. Zeena also looked promising like she’d be a strong memorable female villain but then she was so girly which is strange for a villain who looks like this. Another issue is that lost world didn’t have enough characters to interact with. Chaos interacted with so many characters, so did shadow and rouge. Zavok only really interacted with sonic, tails and Eggman. If they had more characters that he interacted with giving him more motive personality and a great boss fight he would’ve been better for it. Sorry that I went on a bit of a tangent but I enjoyed the video! 😄
I didn't even realize the similarity between Zavoc and Bowser until you mentioned it! Why was Lost World trying so hard to be Mario??? I just don't understand! Why Sega!? You made Sonic to rival Mario not copy him! 🤦🏻♂️
It really confuses me as to why they didn't make Eggman the power-type instead. Heck, if they wanted someone that still would be more interesting they could've added an obscure Eggman robot from the other games(like Heav- oh wait Classic characters don't exist in Modern Sonic, forgot about that).
Are you a fan of wasted opportunities? Because they didn't waste the opportunity to make the guy with superhuman intelligence be the type literally meant for people like him.
Potential means nothing if they don't follow through on it. If you want to know what I mean by that, you should check out this video I released about rewriting Zavok and the other Deadly Six! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DSz3Zx9vsOo.html
You have hit the nail right on the head, my good man. None of the Deadly Six are characters; they're character-shaped objects. Personally, I'd love for the "Deadly Six" to be forgotten altogether. Unlike Ray, Mighty, Bean, and so on, those six actually *deserve* to be forgotten and never used again. ___ I really hope Sega's decision-makers see this video, and videos like it.
You know, I won't mind Zavok appearing a lot in Sonic stuff if they give him some character development and interactions with others like he did in IDW Comics, so that way he won't be just some generic big scary thug for hire when he reappears. Forces & TSR could've have him banter with other characters but he was mostly an afterthought and also like Shadow & Metal Sonic he's just there as a boss fight and going against Sonic.
Honestly...I don’t hate Zavok. He’s nowhere near a character I respect or like, but don’t hate ‘im. I moreso have a problem with Eggman’s team. Couldn’t they have just...you know...made MECHA SONIC THE POWER CHARACTER??? They could’ve even made the point (if there is a story mode) that Eggman needs another entree to race and that he remembers that Mecha Sonic was the 2nd best Sonic Cline he’s had and he could just improve upon the prior model. Even if they wouldn’t go with Mecha Sonic, they could still go with other robots Eggman has made, so why choose a (pretty much) unrelated character? Sure, Zavok is a villain but the pattern of “Eggman and his robot(s)” kinda gets ruined when they could’ve easily put in a better character than “The Villain who wanted to skin the Eggman alive”
"Bowser has had more time to grow his character in other things, and Zavok hasn't" Then give him a chance to do so. Look I'm sorry, but praising Bowser for having a personality developed in spinoffs while complaining about Zavok in a spinoff is incredibly hypocritical. Like any character he needs time to grow and develop. Like Bowser, or hell like other Sonic characters. Half the cast was bland in their debut but overtime were developed further and became likable characters. While I agree that Zavok wasn't memorable from the start, you gotta give it a chance. He's been in 3 games including TSR, and one of them isn't canon, while the other was a fake Zavok. That leaves his debut game which suffered from very bad writing. But I'm sure that given proper care, Zavok could become not only a good character, but someone just as memorable as the rest of the cast, maybe one day living up to someone like Bowser. But for that to happen we need to allow him to be included so he can be further developed. Besides... it's just a racing game, who really cares?
It's not my job to let him grow his character, Sega has to do that. Any game that these characters appear in are fair game in terms of turning them into something more than what they appear to be, and I definitely don't see it your way. Sonic Team has had 6 years to do something interesting with Zavok and they just haven't, so that's on them.
@Garrulous64 Yeah but it’s a car racing game that he’s base it’s on Speed type- Technically Type- And Powert Type Who really it’s “Power” on the Sonic lore that can be recognizable? Exactly, villains like Infinite or Chaos or Mephiles are Techincal or speed types we don’t have too much Brute Force. Even that, Zavok it’s not entirely brute force, he even attack with an strategy so even if Sega and Sonic team it’s trying to deal with his franchise, Maybe they can make better his development to be a better character.
Infinite could easily be a power type. He tried to kill everyone by dropping the sun on them. Not saying Infinite is a good character either, but he's at least better than Sonic Bowser
@Garrulous64 Not really, He’s abilities are more for technical or Speed type because of the phantom Ruby... And we have enough edge With Shadow, Omega, Metal Sonic’s Car and Zavok. Remember not Sonic Bowser or Incineroar it’s Z A V O K You can do it
I feel like Infinite's almost the opposite of Zavock. He's not exactly a strong character (joke not intended), but he's at least *got* character traits and works as an individual, yet Sonic Team seem to be doing their best to sweep him under the rug as "whoops, that happened, ig". Whereas, like you said, Zavock has no character and is still being shoehorned into the series. Ig at the end of their respective games, they both have the similarity of "...is he dead or?"
If they needed a power type, why not throw in someone more recent? Sure the heavies are from a classic style game, but they could transition to 3D well. And the deadly six, I guarantee, were made the way they were because of the Nintendo exclusivity deal. They’re basically like Koopalings in a way.
@Viva La Waifu The developers said “Only Modern Characters” To take out the possibility of “Classic Sonic Nostalgia” again. Zavok it’s a cool choice and very logical so don’t complain for one character
Dr.Eggman is Nostalgic Metal Sonic wants to be sonic witch makes him quirky and fun to watch Infinite is edgy and dark Chaos is deeply emotional and develops character Zavok.....is......Za....Zavok
