Zoom MS-70CDR: the best Rhodes pedal? 

Thanks!

THANKS!!

Thanks so much! I’ll consider it for sure!

This is an excellent point! Should have mentioned I was using the retro flyer preamp in this vid. I think a boost pedal is a great solution.

I use mine with low output guitar pickups all the time and it sounds great. What’s the average output for a passive rhodes? (if it works like that)

@LWmusik Dude, where are getting your information from? The Zoom is a standard guitar pedal. It is not designed to need a line level input. Guitars are passive instrument level output. I use it with passive guitars and line level synths, and my passive output Hohner Pianet T electric piano, and it works just fine with no noise.

@@darwinsaye I actually think mine is broken... It distorts very easily and also has a very high noise floor, so there is no sweetspot for the input gain. I haven't used it since writing that comment almost a year ago.

​@@ToddPentneyYou kinda do say this by saying that you go straight from the preamp to the pedal.

Still not getting warm with my JV-1080 😢. When I turn on my Korg M3R it instantly touches me, but the JV kinda leaves me cold.

@@johanneschristopherstahle3395 I sold mine years ago. Very stupid firmware when using multi-timbral mode from what I recall.

Ya! I want to make one using the MS-70CDR on the prophet6. It sounds awesome!

@@ToddPentney Awesome. Your playing is beautiful by the way. Excellent stuff, glad to see a longer video review like this. looking forward to more!

@@HermanHiltsman Also, check out my Instagram if you want: @hifi.lo I do lots of playing and more frequent posts on there.

Hey! Congrats on getting the pedal.. I think you will love it! And I think it will be great on your mark I. Please consider subscribing to my channel as I’m going to be making more videos like this. Thanks!

@@ToddPentney done ;-)

Just received my pedal, working great. I added Fender Amps modeled from the ms50g on it, if you're interesting, let's me know;-)

@@rv73keys65 I'd love to hear that! I was looking at that pedal too!

​@@ToddPentney I can provide the Custom firmware i made. I inclued the bassman , maybe the one in prefer on my Rhodes. firmware installation is very easy ! email me rv.73keys@@@@gmail.com

It's Butterfly by Herbie Hancock. I do love me some Crusaders though! I'll check out those pedals for analog options. Thanks for the suggestions!

The price is hard to beat! Like I said in the video. It's a great starting point.

Yup, I think that would sound great actually.

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@@ToddPentney Nice 😁👍

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You'll have to route an FX send or audio output from the Keyscape channel to a physical audio output on your audio interface. Then record it back into the DAW through your audio interface inputs (preferably stereo). You could also set it up as a FX send. I've never done this but it can be done.

In this case I just used a mono out of the retroflyer. I’ve always liked Rhodes tremolo in mono. Just a personal thing. If i was using a keyboard/synth that sounds better in stereo I would probably run stereo in. The ms-70cdr knows when it’s getting a mono Input so I think both would sound great.

Yes, it’s a Stage Mark II .

Edit my question, I watched the full video, and now I know you are using a retroflyer as well!!, you say the tremolo is mono... but is actually stereo going out from the reteoflyer... does it make sense?

@@ToddPentney we just crossed messages ; -) Ok, now I see it clear. I like the stereo tremolo from retroflyer, but will try with the zoom as well, because I just ordered one !!🤩🤪 Thanks , I'm pretty new to rhodes coming from synths, so this is a new whole acoustic world for me!

@ Ya, I might be wrong depending if the retro flyer signal sums to mono or just isolates one side.. but I assume if you use a TS instrument cable from the retro you're just getting one side of the the stereo output (which just sounds like a regular mono tremolo to my ears). You could use a TRS cable on the retro flyer to a dual TS adaptor at the multistomp end. Then you'd be getting the analog stereo tremolo in all it's glory. But I think at the end of the day. If it sounds sounds good, it is good! I don't know if I'd be able to tell the difference between an analog stereo trem or one generated in the multistomp. It's definitely worth checking it out though.

It gets here in 2 days! Do you remember which setting number this was? lol can't wait

@@jeuxdeau2009 Congrats! It's a great pedal. I was just scrolling through the presets. It's definitely one of the factory settings though!

@@ToddPentney By chance do you remember which amp you were using? Did you run it through Studio monitors or through an amp for this video?

@@jeuxdeau2009 I'm using an Avion Retro Flyer Rhodes preamp and you're hearing direct audio into the DAW through a UAD interface using the API channel strip. All that it doing is adding a but of compression. A small cut at 150hz and at 7k. But every Rhodes is different and these setting could easily be replicated in the pedal itself or in the DAW you're monitoring through.

@@ToddPentney Perfect ,,Thank you for responding !

i just prayed ....i wish our brother todd didnt keep fooling with the rhodes tremelo...i'm misled to whether i'm hearing rhodes effects or zoom...aw man!!

@@PatrickGregoryDaniels the pedal definitely has tremolo that probably sounds as good (if not better) as the built in Rhodes tremolo. I’ll keep that in mind for future videos! I reach for the Rhodes tremolo sometimes without even thinking. Muscle memory.

Also, on any of the lush pads I am probably intuitively turning off the Rhodes tremolo. Getting the same sound should be as simple as adding a tremolo fx to the first slot on the MS70-CD-R.

I just bought the zoom 50 instead of the 70. Im going to see if I can use the hack to load the 70 effects on the 50. Hopefully bro...I got it for 80 bucks

What you think?

Mono in from Rhodes. Stereo out.

Thanks Omar! I'll have to make more then... Maybe prophet 6 will be next?

@@ToddPentney yessss

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Depends. For live amplification I prefer to use a guitar amp with clear low end (Fender Twin is great) or just a nice powered monitor for a cleaner sound. Recording is different. I usually just record direct in. I'm using the Retro Flyer preamp (Avion Studios). In this example I'm running straight into my UAD audio interface from the preamp. No amp. A lot of people prefer to grab the audio straight off the harp inside the Rhodes because it can help reduce noise. But that isn't always necessary either. I think running the MS-70CDR for various amp FX direct is a great option. Another option would be to record it completely dry and then apply amp modelling using plugins in your DAW.

@@ToddPentney thanks for the reply! I'm thinking about selling my Korg SV-1 and getting a Rhodes MK1 instead, but I'm not sure if it'd be worth all the effort considering I'd need a proper multi-fx unit or pedalboard plus a clean sounding amp (adding about 1k to the total cost). I'm not a pro musician and mainly play synths through active studio monitors. I've heard that power mixers can work with a Rhodes too, but mine (Soundcraft Signature 22 MTK) has some noisy amps...

@@ToddPentney the Boss ME-80 looks like another good option, especially due to the knobby interface

@@konradhausmann6359 I always recommend getting the real thing.. but the right instrument is always what you will get the most use out of. A Rhodes is a one trick pony. But a good Digital keyboard might be more useful. Like a Nord, Great organs, Pianos, synths and Rhodes. Still not as good as a real Rhodes but way more useful overall. And most people won't be able to tell the difference. If you enjoy playing the real thing that's the best reason to get a Rhodes. Also consider Software instruments. Keyscapes by spectrasonics has some fantastic sounding Rhodes Mk1, Mk2 and some modern Rhodes by Vintage Vibe, Wurlys, CP70s and Pianos.. Again different than the real thing.. but sometimes I reach for a software instrument before the real Rhodes because they've been recorded a specific way. Sometimes people prefer the samples Rhodes over the real thing.

@@konradhausmann6359 my rhodes sounds fantastic through the Joyo American Sound pedal which is like 30 bucks. killer pairing

I have the retroflyer preamp installed on this Rhodes. Straight into my audio interface and monitoring on headphones.

That's what it's originally meant for, so I think that good things would happen

It’s literally the cornerstone of my guitar pedalboard. The first pedal I bought and I find new sounds inside everyday

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Nailed It!

Mark II with a RetroFlyer preamp.

@@ToddPentney thanks I'm going to try and get that sound, I have a Kronos, and will try software, but its just what im after. love your playing you should put more up, where are you based? I'm Cornwall UK. sounds like you like the same music as us.

just got it spot on, and its called Herbie's Butterfly EP on the Korg Kronos, to be fair, yours still sounds better, but I recon 90% is the effects and the other 10% is the Rhodes Samples not as good as the real thing. o yeh and obviously your playing is better. cool though. thanks again, I'm now going through my two favourite versions learning to play the tune. The Other being Azymuth

sup matt?

not much just missin u

miss you lots too

Uh no, he was right. Vibrato modulates pitch, tremolo modulates amplitude (volume).

@@timtsistinas Tremolo is the repeated sounding of a single musical note regardless of volume.

@@mojooftheg5961 nope

@@timtsistinas Yep :)

@@mojooftheg5961 ooooh so delay is ACTUALLY tremolo! Wow, I had no idea! 🙄