Trying out some ZSR Primers that I picked up from Southern Defense. These are the cheapest primers I have found in the last few years. I’m testing them today in 9mm, 380, and 38 Special.
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I've been using these lately, with great results. Same price, but from Outdoor Limited. Fortunately I'm near their showroom, so I can do local pick up. Anyway, they load fine, and go bang...no complaints.
Southern Defense is a good company, no worries buying from them. Hazmat and shipping was normal fee. You need to buy quantity to make it reasonable, it’s a federal mandate cost.
Thanks for the video , I bought 10k of these from Southern Defense , 5k S.P and 5k S.R. I haven't got around to loading any yet . You have saved me a $50.00 trip to the range by doing this test for me. I load in batches of 1000 rounds and I needed to know they were reliable before I made myself a thousand round disaster. As I write this , this past week the Hornady reloading plant had an accident that resulted in the destruction of their primer manufacturing , and Lake City was forced to manufacture for government contracts only . so glad I invested in these primers as Hornady will be purchasing any excess / civilian market primers . I think we are looking at another 3 year shortage of primers for civilian reloading .
$40 total for shipping and hazmat isn't bad, $20 for shipping and $20 for hazmat. It's not amazing, but it's pretty standard for what is "reasonable" these days. Some places will change $40 shipping and an additional $40 hazmat, and I've seen places trying to charge even more than that. I usually make 2 or 3 very large(over $500 minimum) hazmat orders per year to water down the shipping and hazmat impact.
Would've long thought some small ammo manufacturers would just quit their ammo sales and take over the primer demand. Guess that means their returns are better with loaded ammunition than just primers.
Yeah I’d say profit margins are greater with loaded ammo. Probably looking at a few cents per primer compared to .10 to who knows what for loaded ammo.
I know some of the foreign primers sometimes have a very hard cup that results in misfires. A lot of people have reported that with the Argentine made primers.
I am researching ZSR since there have been reports of their rifle 7.62x51 ammo blowing up rifle in one lot (15) and causing extraction problems in other lots. But you to have had a good experience with their primers.
Purchased 5K from Southern Defense. Just loaded 100 9mm (w/Titegroup and 124gn coated lead RN projectiles). Fired in SIG P320 Full and sub compact pistols and an AR9 type pistol. All 100 went bang with very good accuracy. Very happy with purchase.
I'm having a hell of a time trying to get these ZSR primers to ignite in 357 cases using HP-38. I'm using .40 cc (4.3 grains) with RMR bullets 147gr. CCI ignites them no problem. ZSR-primed 9mm loads work great. I shoot at freezing or lower temps. Maybe cold has something to do with it?
Yeah temperature may be your problem. HP-38 isn’t a Hodgdon Extreme powder so it’s temperature sensitive. Also a low case fill can case Ignition problems.
5.8g of HS6. It’s pretty low in the case fill as well but has always went bang. I usually go with 4.0g of Unique. It’s bulkier and I like it much better.
@@243Outdoors I took my loads that squibbed at 32 degrees and they all went bang at 50 degrees. Groups weren't as good as the taller bullets w/ lube grooves suggesting that these primers like cartridges without too much volume (whereas US brand primers tolerate the excess volume much better)
do you have any striker fired guns with modified triggers or something like that ? In my experience hammer fired guns and smaller striker fired pistols fire even rifle primers . Competition guns like Sig X5 , Canick have ususally harder time with primers
No it is not. The Texas Comp is Expansion industries Southern defense has this on the Expansion Industry primers if you to their website. Expansion Ballistics Small Pistol Primers #7 Brass EXPECTED SPRING 2023 (No reviews yet) Write a Review $80.01 The more primers hitting the market is a must. When American made primers get close to $50 per 1,000 I will start buying again.
As a reloader there are other important things that you left out. What priming equipment did you use? Was the priming force more or less than CCI, Winchester, Federal, etc? There are forums out there where almost all the posters said that the primers were harder to seat than the ones I mentioned above. Also, almost all the forum posters experienced a lot of misfires on the first strike, but fired on the second. Maybe they weren't seating them correctly, which could be why they were getting misfires. This is why I'm curious as to how they were seated.
Hey what do you know? It's almost as if it's good to find as much evidence as you can and go with your gut. A working press with someone who knows how to reload is a working press with a person who knows how to reload. Because someone had failures could be due simply to them not knowing their equipment well, regardless of what that equipment is. It could also be a bad batch. Want him to test multiple batches while he's at it? This guy got good results. Some people haven't. You can decide for yourself and go buy some to figure it out, or sit on your hands and let everyone else grab them. End of the day, it's up to you to figure it out, my guy.
@@CrashRacknShoot I've been reloading probably longer than you have been alive, and can assure you that I know what I'm doing. I use a Lee hand press because you don't get the same feel with a machine press. I'm a competition shooter and can't afford any misfires during a match, which is why I asked the questions that I did. And if I buy 1,000, plus pay the stupid hazmat fee, and if they suck I'm out $100. The internet, and shooters in particular, usually help each other, not belittle them. Have a nice day.
I use a Dillon 550 set-up, loading 9mm and 38 spl. I'm currently working through a box of these, with zero problems. I've almost exclusively used federal primers in the past, mostly for cowboy action shooting, but thought I'd try these due to price. I can tell a very slight difference, takes a little more force to seat these. But they all go bang.
@@Chris_the_Dingo Chris, Thanks. A friend just gave me 100 to try, I use a Lee hand priming tool. They were a bit tighter than the American brands, but they went in. I did 20 9mm first, then I used my RCBS primer pocket swaging tool on the rest and they went right in with no issues at all, and maybe even easier than the American brands. I have a system in place where I can swage 750 an hour, so I am now swaging everything that I load regardless of primer brand. The Winchester brand was tighter than the CCI, but now the Winchester even go in without any tight ones. I haven't shot the ZSR yet but the person I got them from said that they all went off. Stay away from the Turkish ones, GINEX, they won't go in even after swaging!
You'll cause excessive breech face erosion because the harder cups need more pressure to seal off gases. With enough use you'll notice pitting on the breech face.
I'd love to see a photo of them after firing. I get bad primer flow causing them to shave off inside the firing pin hole. I can't even use them in my 2011 using 147gr lead with a mild HS6 charge.
Tactical Sh*t just sent me an email (01/12/23) advertising ZSR small pistol primers for $79.99/1K or $374.99/5K and the prices INCLUDES shipping and HAZMAT!!!
