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The Escalantes are very slightly bouncier and weigh about .2 ounce less. The Magnifly 5's definitely feel more cushioned and appear to have a more durable outsole.
Thank you for watching! I am planning to do the Magnifly vs. Escalante comparison. Probably publishing next week. Quick thoughts - the Escalante foam is slightly bouncier, the Magnifly definitely feels more cushioned.
It's always a sad day when a shoe reaches end-of-life. But, there's a certain satisfaction placing them into the shoe recycling bin at my local running shoe store. I know that someone somewhere will get as much enjoyment out of them as I did.
Topos usually fit me well, but this shoe was too narrow even though I sized up. Not in the forefoot, but in the anterior medial midfoot. The ball of my foot, the base joint of my first toe really, just overlaps the sole and starts to hurt after 500 meters. Loving my Cyclone 2, no such problem there. Altras neither. Never had this with any other shoe, really, not even "normal" road or traul shoes.
Very interesting. I have not had an issue. The shoes all fit us a little differently. Thank you very much for sharing your experience! I assume you were able to return them?
@@TheOldUltraRunner THanks for asking, unfortunately no. My first test run was too short to realize the problem, I guess my prior great experience with Cyclone 2 clouded my judgment and made me uncritical. I ended up taking them on a long, muddy, painful hike next, so returning them isn't a viable option anymore. I guess I'll experiment with aftermarket insoles and thick socks before donating them. I'm wondering now if my eagerly awaited Specter 2 will be Cyclone-shaped or MT5-shaped... Here's to hoping. I'm sneaking around purchasing Nnormal Kjerags at this poipnt, they're somewhat wide in the toebox and have "only" 6mm drop. Love your channel and its vibe btw. Regards from Berlin
@@Boulevardfree Thank you! The NNormal Kjerags have a nice bouncy midsole. I hope the Specter 2 works for you, I am definitely looking forward to giving a pair a try!
Back in 2020, I did a lot of running on the treadmill including long runs. I even ran the Dreadmill 100 in December of 2020. Since then, I seem to have PTSD related to the treadmill. It was very difficult going 18 miles, definitely prefer outside.
I’m going through the same, Jay! I have had a hard time motivating myself to go out for my runs in this humidity. I’ve been doing more strength training in the meantime. Wishing you the best at the Badger! I know you will get it done!
Did you run with one model on one for and the other model on the other foot to feel the difference? I have Escalante 3 for less than a year and I look forward to buying Escalate 4 as soon as they are available here in Malaysia (or on Amazon…)
I’m starting to like topo more than altra the only road shoe from altra I can really enjoy is the escalante 3 the I’ve had problems with early outsole wear on the torin and Rivera
I am a fan of both Altra and Topo shoes. I am currently finding more favorites within the Topo lineup currently. My biggest negative with Altra over the years (for me) has been outsole wear on their road shoes.
According to runrepeat teardown, the 3 weighs 9.5 ounce and the 4 weighs 8.4 ounce for a US 9. I remember reading somewhere at an Altra fans page that Altra is not using the weight of a US 9 now. And both 4 and Racer 2 are listed as original fit on Altra website. Runrepeat teardown supported that, their widest point at the toebox best that of Olympus
Interesting! I realized when I weighed them before I had the insoles out of my Escalante 3's. ,,,, 😜When I reported weights in the video though I used the size 9 from Altra website. Weighing my men's size 11.5, I am getting 10.5 ounces for the Escalante 3 and 9.95 ounces for the Escalante 4. It does appear the 4's are lighter. I pulled out the insoles from the 2 versions of the shoes and they appear identical to me. However, the 4's do feel a little wider, but they could just be due to the stretchier upper.
According to runrepeat teardown, the 3 weighs 9.5 ounce and the 4 weighs 8.4 ounce for a US 9. I remember reading somewhere at an Altra fans page that Altra is not using the weight of a US 9 now. And both 4 and Racer 2 are listed as original fit on Altra website. Runrepeat teardown supported that, their widest point at the toebox best that of Olympus
I just started trying to run and started with Brooks Ghost 16s. My knees began to hurt a little (not sure if it was the shoe or just me) - but I learned the Ghost 16s have quite a high heel to toe drop (and look to have a moderate stack), so I tried the NB Fresh Foam X More V4 thinking the lower drop would be good - the insane stack and plushiness though I think exacerbated my knee issues (or caused different ones). So I'm trying Saucony Kinvara 15s now - and I think they are quite a bit better for me than either of the first two shoes. But I'm also curious about the Altras. Which would you recommend for novice me? I think I like a bit of road feel but also want some cushioning (not sure about push off), I want to run every other day to start, maybe work up to running a full loop around the park (3+ miles). I'm currently mostly walking with alternating running, ultimately running maybe 1/4 of it - put all together. Would you go for the Torin 7s over the Escalante 4s? Or suggest another like Rivera? I do like how lightweight the Kinvaras feel - and they seem to have enough cushion without going overboard, I also seem to like their low drop and stack. I just want to see if one the Altras could be even better for me. I've tried these first 3 pairs of shoes within 4 weeks - with 1-day on / 1-2-day off - so I may not be giving enough time between them to compare their effect on my knees, comfort, etc. But my knees definitely felt better in the Kinvara 15s after a run. It could just be me getting a little stronger, but hard to know. Thanks!
Congratulations on starting to run! Some people do have issues up in there knees and hips with higher drop shoes. It sounds like this may be what you are experiencing. The issues would be caused by putting your body into a less natural position. The Kinvara is a good shoe with only a 4mm drop. It does not have a high stack height which can cause less stability (particularly if the foam is very soft). Be a little careful when going to zero drop unless you have experience barefoot or fairly flat shoes. It just takes a little time for your Achilles tendon to get accustomed to be stretched a bit more. You seem to be having no problems with the Kinvara with a 4mm drop, so this will most likely not be an issue If you don't mind a lower level of cushion, the Escalante is a good shoe. The Torin is good if you are wanting a more cushioned ride. The Rivera is a very good shoe with a level of cushion between the Escalante and the Torin. It does however, have a narrower toebox, which some people don't like.
I only started wearing the Escalante with version 3. I have run in the run regular Olympus, but have not owned the Via Olympus (I know several people that like them). I do like Atreyu shoes.
The 4 is much wider than the 3 according to runrepeat teardown, it's also lighter. I remember reading somewhere that Altra didn't measure the weight using the standard US 9 now. Maybe you can weigh yours to find out. Lastly, Altra list Escalante 4 as Original Fit on their website.
I think they are pretty much the same fit wise. They do feel different due to different upper material. I have been wearing the same size in both shoes
I got about 500 out of my 3s, but they had a really defined flex point that kinda limited the stress a bit in the midsole. 4 is back to being overall more flexible... like the 1, 1.5, and 2.5... and I got over 2000 running miles out of my 1s.
@seankim9143 just kept running in them, they felt fine... that foam doesn't compress much, and it was still more than enough cushioning for daily runs... it was just in my rotation for a couple years.
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Well the real time was pretty slow, 27:29. It just converted to a 22:03 age adjusted.. Thank you for watching, Michael! I wish I could still run 22:03.
Just want to say thankyou for these reviews. I think you've informed every running shoe purchase I've made! Been running in the escalante 4s for a couple of weeks and loving them so far. Cheers from the UK.
I have a Escalante 2, Knit upper that is, to my preferences, very hot for my feet even in winter (I prefer Escalante Racer). Does Escalante 4 have better/more breathability than Escalante 2? Thanks and sorry about my poor English. Congrats from Portugal
Yes, much better breathability than the 2's. I really like the new upper. Your English seems very good to me. Thank you for watching and your question!
Your review of the Altra Escalante 4 at 50 miles is really insightful, Jay! It sounds like these shoes are a great fit for everyday runs and more. The way you describe their comfort and flexibility makes me think they'd be perfect for me too. Thanks for sharing your experience - I'm looking forward to more of your comparisons! I just started my Altra journey with some trail shoes (Altra Timp 4). Happy weekend, Jay!
Would my feet hurt if I went from a clifton 9 to a torin 6 or 7, I just started running and planning on running a Marathon in 7 months, just did the Half a few weeks ago. thx
I don't think so, they are pretty cushioned but a little bit less than your Clifton's. The Torin 7's have an extra 2 mm of midsole, so you would probably notice the difference a little less.
Yes, I am really looking forward to the Specter 2. My only concern is if it will be stable enough - lots of Pebax. However, I am really looking forward to it!
I walk my dog on mixed terrain. Paved or gravel roads. Grassy fields and single tracks. MT5 would work well for this application. Thanks for the overview!
Great review! I was using my Terraventure 4 in GA to do trail runs and those trails are like 95%+ trails with minimal paved roads. When I took them out to do a new trail run in Minnesota, oh boy, the trail was 60-70% road and I wished I had a higher cushion and less aggressive grip.
Yes, love my Terraventures, but I think the MT-5's or Ultra venture 3's are a bit better if you will have a fair amount of road. Thank you for watching!
Having run many trail miles on several versions of the Lone Peak, and now having run many road miles on both the Cyclone 2 and Phantom 3, I see myself leaning towards Topo for future trail miles. Thanks, Jay.
