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1999 - 2000 Pedro Martinez was even better than 1968 Gibson. Bob wasn't pitching to juiced up steroid freaks, with a hitter friendly ballpark environment and rule set. Bob was doing 1.12 in a year where the league average was under 3.0, while Pedro was doing ERA of 1.7 in a league where the ERA was hovering near 5.0. There is no comparison. Pedro Martinez is still the only pitcher EVER to lead his league in ERA BY TWO WHOLE RUNS!!!! Pedro -- 1.70 Rodger Clemens (#2) -- 3.71
Also with Hough, the Niekros and Wakefield they were versatile in starting/relieving Hough..61 saves P Niekro..29 saves J Niekro..16 saves Wakefield..22 svs
Roger Clemens is the best pitcher of the live ball era. Stat wise, no one else is really that close. He has 30 more WAR than Maddux or Johnson. And 20 more than Seaver. The most Cy Youngs (7). And really should be about 10 by today's standards. A 144 ERA+ over 5000 innings. And the highest WAR7 of the liveball era. He has 100 WAR between the age of 21 and 35, in 3200 innings. By far the quickest to that mark. As for the inevitable steroid complaints....I don't think many people actually read the document that tied Clemens to PEDs; the Mitchell Report. In it, his former trainer claims Roger used PEDs in the second halves of 1999, 2000, and 2001. That's it. He makes no mention of any steroid use during his last 2 years in NY or the next 3 seasons in Houston, where he won a Cy Young and an ERA title. Which makes perfect sense, Clemens, like many players back then saw the writing on the wall, and knew the PED party was over with the 2003 survey testing, and acted accordingly. All in all a mere 6% of his 24 yr career has been tied to PEDs. All when he was past his prime in his late 30s. All of this was done at the height of the steroid era when considerable percentages of the MLB used, when there was no testing, no discipline and frankly no consequences to using. Roger was a product of his era, and of the context and culture of the league.
Anyone who played with Murph will tell you that he was the ultimate teammate. You’ll never hear a fan or teammate ever have anything bad to say about him either. The easiest guy in all of sports to root for.
I lean to Bruce because he’s one with multiple teams now not a shot a Torrie though I know they managed against each other in the late 90’s in the WS but the Yankees at that point were already established yes maybe it’s my bias getting to me since I’m a rangers fan but both deserve inner circle hall of fame as managers
It’s a toss up but I lean towards Bochy because he brought 3 different teams to the World Series and won it with two different teams. Thank you for the comment.
@@BBUYTTV you’re welcome I forgot to mention that I’m on 23 and started watching baseball in 2007 so I didn’t even know Bruce managed the padres I only knew him for the giants
You know, after watching this for me it's a tough one. Both men are great managers. Torre had his Jeter, Bochy had his Posey, Francona had his Ortiz. They both earned the title.
One thing these two had in common was that they each relied on an unflappable on-field captain, Torre had Derek Jeter, Bochy had Buster Posey. The difference is that Bochy got to two World Series and won one without Posey, Torre never got there without Jeter. Edge: Bochy.
Probably a more fitting title is a temporary tragic duo. Could be Tragic, Redemptive Duo. They both turned it around in their personal lives. Doc struggled more with relapses. He seems to be on the right path now.
As intimidating as he was, Gibson hit batters at a rate of once every 158 plate appearances. By comparison, Pedro Martinez hit one every 81 batters, Randy Johnson one every 90 batters, and Drysdale one every 92 batters. Also ahead of Gibson were Bunning, Clemens, Blyleven, Halladay, Ryan, Maddux, Wilhelm, and Jim Kaat.
We have multiple all-time greats playing right now, Mookie is for sure one of them. It'll be great to see career retrospectives on Verlander, Scherzer, Kershaw, Trout, Mookie, Freeman, Altuve, Machado, and Arenado
Contact; Check. Power; Check. Speed; Check. Defense; Check. Arm; Check. Baserunning Skill; Check. Clutch; Check. Versatility; Check. Team player; Check.... I could go on and on... Not sure what you mean by "over rated". What do you think he lacks?
You make a great point. My thinking is that Mantle was considered the best or most dominant player for periods of time during his career while I don’t think that was necessarily the case with Murray. Additionally, injuries limited some of Mantle’s accumulation of statistics to a certain extent.
It really is amazing they won the whole thing doing drugs and alcohol during games after games and all night. I remember crying during game 6 bc I thought they were gonna lose I was 10 at the time. Great video I subscribed
Thank you for your kind words and welcome aboard. I remember this year vividly and I remember being surprised at how dominant they were and how brash and in your face they were. Definitely a captivating season that came to an end in the most exciting fashion.
I have never heard any of the players on the 90 Reds say anything bad about Pete Rose or the way he managed. Whoever narrated this doesnt know what they are talking about.
2018, his 1st world series and best statistical season, the redsox were caught cheating. Is he one of the best? Yes, but why doesnt he get the altuve treatment.
The Astros seem to have received the most media scrutiny for whatever reason. That would be my guess as to why nobody really discusses the Red Sox with regard to the cheating. It has almost been swept under the rug at this point.
Yankees fan here, the 2018 red sox steamrolled everyone in their way, whereas 2017 astros had a few critical game 7s including in the world series and ALCS
