This is Jeff. I ended up in 2nd place, but only lost out 1st to a different Gurkha list by 4 dice kills. It was a two-day event, and I ended up playing six games overall with about four different lists. Day 1 was a Doubles match, then a Tank Platoon match, and finally a “Slaughterhouse,” without any restrictions. I won all six games I played, over the weekend.
An idea for a video topic you could try before the end of 2nd edition, where you discuss the various minor nations (not France or Italy) and, if you were to really take them in a tournament setting, what sort of army list would you try to bring. I do understand that for the Allies that's going to be difficult as since most of them are carbon copies of France, so my suggestion would be to try and avoid making them all similar looking armies if possible (perhaps picking a theme for each army and trying to achieve that theme while still being good enough), or alternatively, explain the reasons for why something different doesn't work or is at least inefficient. And after all of that, which army would you be happy to take to a tournament, one for both the Axis and Allies
@@CS-zn6pp we have no info on flamethrowers yet or if they can even be taken in engineer units, but yeah 7 per ingeneer platoon would be bad if nothing changes
Just started mine thanks for the very informative vid. You’re right about the parts in the Atlantic sets. But il mix it up at 500 pts. The painting opportunities are endless. Notice you get. Scarfs in there too , so say one unit blue scarfs the other green berets. Each group uses different identifying marks
FYI - After zooming into a picture of the new Starter Boxset, the Greyhound Data card says that MMGs and HMGs have 6 shots. I'm not sure if you had seen that tidbit yet?
SPECULATION: A 'cover save' could be a simple bonus to your base wound value; i.e. a regular 'infiltrator' staying put would be as hard to kill as a vet?
I am pretty sure they changed fanatic from "auto pass morale checks" to "ignore all pins but have to take a morale check." Did I get that change right?
That green nerf is quite significant. Previously Green was always a good thing when free, now its a lot more neutral. I'm not making a value judgement on it aside from that if it costs anything, it isn't worth it (I would expect it to be free).
Hey Bo, I think you missed the nerv of fanatics in your Video. The Rulepage from Warlord says: "If forced to take a moral Check, they ignore negativ moral modifiers from pin marker" This makes fanatic more like stubborn in V2. It's clearly a nerv in comparison.
rumours, rumours. I got one more: A guy from a large officesupplies company reached out to me and told me that "some well known Danish player" just ordered HUGE amounts of binders, printerInk and paper...... Make of it what you want, but i think somebody is prepping for the first V3 tournament and that "i am going on a trip to the USA" is all nonsense :P
I’ve been through a lot of edition changes with a lot of game systems. There is always an irrational hysteria about incomplete information based on assumptions that something will work just as how it presently works. For example, there’s no reason to assume that flamethrowers will work the same way, so why fret about them at the moment? The main categorical change we know about that I hope they get right is the move to a new platoon structure that allows for more historical/flavorful skew lists. On the face of it, this allows me to make more realistic force organizations, but the Generic Reinforced Platoon was a balanced kind of way to encounter a war game and have a mixture of arms. I hope that in this new way of doing things that they find a way to keep it fun and engaging no matter what people are able to come up with.
Even less of a reason for 'irrational hysteria,' in this case. It's not GW. People don't have to feel as if the new edition blows they can't use their minis anymore. This is historical wargaming. If V3 is crap, I'll continue to play one of the dozen other platoon level WW2 games out there - some of which are very, very good.
Yup, thats always going to be part of it. People will allways assume based on incomplete theories Now im not saying that its not fun, it can be great fun to speculate and try to decript what the 3rd edition will hold! But nothing other then what is confirmed by WG should be taken as fact
With such extreme builds looks like instead of a balancedish game at the moment it's going rock paper scissors. A lot of games will be predestined before they are play. If you open up to structure too much players will abuse it.
I agree totally about the rock paper scissors thing. They have tried to make make it more like 40k to lure more defectors over but have missed the point that the thing people like about bolt action is that it's different to that. I can see a lot of people sticking to 2nd ed rules. God I never thought I'd become one of the old edition grognards...
I think you're right about more specific army builds coming into their own with the new system (which I think is good: it reflects order of battle more effectively, and it will create a bit more skew that will likely make some units more or less effective based on what you're against), but being able to build a force that has a lot of flamers and a dakka tank is less likely with this system. We'll probably see people focus on the 1-2 things they really want to do, and Greatest Hits style armies will be less likely.
I disagree, the Rifle Platoon allowing two light mortars is a very British thing that the Americans, Germans and Russians didn’t do. The old Generic Platoon allowed you to be very historically accurate per T/O if you wanted to, but it didn’t force you to either. That’s what I liked about it.
@@jonathanbirkeland1085 I could see Warlord, in the "Armies of" books, tinkering with the numbers within each platoon to be more accurate, with the ones they previewed being just the standard template. This new army composition gives them the freedom to chop and change where necessary. I could definitely see not all factions getting access to many of these platoon types. For example, the Dutch don't have any dedicated engineer squad in the game, so access to that platoon would be wasted on them.
@jonathanbirkeland1085 good point. I thought the basic US Infantry platoon had a mortar squad. The light mortars part of the weapons platoon. However, the US Parachute Infantry Platoon and the Armored Infantry Platoon had an organic light mortar.
@@jonathanbirkeland1085 Or rather, a Soviet Rifle Platoon includes light mortars, but only until about the end of 1942 (whereupon they're swapped out for medium mortars at company level). The Germans do something similar: there are grenatenwerfers in their TO&E, but they're phased out as the war progresses. In *practice*, these company-level assets were often shared out among the infantry platoons anyway, which makes the artificial distinction of a Rifle Platoon from a Heavy Weapons Platoon a bit jarring to me.
Similar to your remarks, i really doubt Warlord would have Engineer platoons to allow you to have 7 flamethrowers. That would be ridiculous. No, my suspicion is more that theyll strip the flamethrower option from the current Engineer squads, and with the Engineer rule previewed in the new 2-player starter box, engineer squads will be become more dedicated assault troops, perhaps getting more weapon options for that role. Perhaps they'll get AT grenades by default as well. Which means that each Engineer Platoon would only allow access to 3 flamethrowers, if my assumptions are correct. Also, the changes to shooting will probably help to balance out the changes to army composition, so maybe flamethrowers are getting nerfed as well. Best just to wait and see for September when the rulebook comes out. I will admit that I do like the change on an aesthetic level at least.
It is 5 games, 3 on Sat and 2 on Sun. I wanted to make people have to make hard choices on the lists. Each mission will be locked to a table set up specifically for its mission. Thanks for your review on the lists and missions. You have John N brits that should be Josh N.
Hey there Bo, its Brad here thats my Italian list, just a quick comment, M Bat Italians are minimum squad size if 9 😢, I don't like the Elefantino gun but cos of fun I thought I'd try it out to prove why I don't like it hahaha also really almost no avail tank selection available in the theaters with M Bat Italians... so that's my reason for dakka AB40 and anti tank grenades on units... personally I never use then... cheers for the review 😅 shall be a fun weekend ahead 🎉🎉
Safe travels Bo! I don't think mixed bag forces will be completely gone, I think we will end up with a mixed bag list having a very distinct look and feel because it will force you to balance points across the board. I do agree that lists seems to take a more 'pointed' direction to achieve one or two things really well. and that isn't a bad thing as it looks like you'll have to compromise somewhat. Of course there is a lot yet to find out!
I'll probably ditch the game if that's going to be the case. I liked Bolt Action cause matches were smaller than 40k. Between this and the introduction of cover saves it's looking like they're turning the game into 40k-lite, and i'm not into it.
personly i would have taken 1 squad of scouts with rifles and 1 regualr squad of regular tank riders with smg. the scouts can forwad deploy so you get a 7 man rifle sqaud to take advantge of any cover on your side of the table. and the m3 and TR can support the engieeners.
Dying to know how you feel about today's sneak peak of army selection. I saw u posted it but no idea how good contact you except like thus. Pls share your thoughts
Seems like a fun game! Having a plan and sticking to it is really important as you say. But if youre taking heavy losses, even then stick to it and go kill more?
Great video as always - a bit surprised that the Bren Carrier didn't make an appearance, as it was so heavily used for Soviets and Brits, and commonly used to deliver the engineers (and sometimes small units of Gurkhas, though I'm not sure that is the best way to run Gurkhas) that placed so high on the list. From what it seemed to me they were present at pretty much every major tournament, and it was not uncommon to see them placing high in the final standings. But that's probably due more to the unit they were transporting than them (though at the same time, the unit they were transporting arrived alive because it was a pretty cheap armored carrier that could put pins down range in advance of the unit hopping out. Keep up the great work, and looking forward to seeing what V3 holds!
Bo, Fantastic video and commentary! Oh, and I am a US Marine veteran. Your language is fine! My group of veteran players swear plenty at the game table, drinking coffee and smoking cigars together. As for game rules and mechanics, well, in Bolt Action it is annoying that historically powerful and effective units are often considerably weakened--either from mechanical effect or mind-boggling point cost; or historically weak units are somehow uber buffed, mechanically and/or through point cost. In the Marine Corps, I served as a SAW gunner. Machine guns are in reality absolutely devastating and lethal. Sustained machine gun fire also has an enormous and paralyzing effect on troop's morale. The Bolt Action mechanics and point cost effectiveness for machine guns is a glaring and mind-boggling sin. *Laughing* I really hope that Bolt Action 3ed fixes these rules hard. Semper Fidelis, SHARK
Heh yes. The complexity and nuances are too easily confinable to a list, and i think thats why people like them. Yes they can give a decent indication, they are no 1 size fits all. I do agree on ur lists overall! Also, thereve been a few peeks into what the 3rd edition will bring. 6 shots for mmg and hmg for example. Im guessing that youll create a ton of videos after the release. The preorder is also live, if anyone is wondering
Not really feeling the Sissi or howling cow. Rest of the choices i agree. However, mule teams, inexperianced medium mortars, dodge with mmg and the M14/15 (+german polizei version) should be noted as great units in BA👍👍👍
