If Rob had turned Doug back at 3:00 and accompanied him back to camp. Andy would have come back with him as well. He would have taken Beck with him as well. Mike groom has one less thing to worry about and are little bit faster. Rob could have gone back and assisted Bidlemann and groom. Except Scot everyone would be alive
Fascinating, though I can't believe the bloke interviewing someone of the stature of Rheinhold Messner didn't even seem to know the names of Scott Fisher and Rob Hall! Bizarre. My (what I feel is a very important take) was that Krakeur was (in a sense re; marketing/advertising) a client. Boukreev was not. And that, is a very critical difference.
Everyone arguing is Jon should have out of his tent. Exhausted, wiped out Jon, who probably would have made it worse. Nobody is wondering why the 3 men on Rob’s team that turned around early didn’t get out of their tent? Nobody arguing on why NO Sherpas got out of their tent when Anatoli was looking for help? Just Jon? People are so silly.
@@user-yp6vi9qv3g I never even heard of someone with that name. I just read Bukreev, Weathers, Lou, Tacliffe, Gammalgaard. Al of them are identical in many little details- except for Krakauer who clearly is a liar.
The people to blame both died on that mountain! Greed and compassion has no place on that mountain! A lot of poor decisions were made by Scott Fisher and Rob Hall, they both disregarded the law and rules of climbing that mountain!
Boukreev went out 3 times and saved 3 of the 5 stranded climbers. I find it interesting that those three climbers were were all from Scott Fischer’s Mountain Madness team.
@@user-yp6vi9qv3g no - not at all, sorry if that could be implied. Boukreev was the guide for Scott, so I wonder if he first chose those from Scott’s group to take back to the camp. I know that the story is that Beck and Namba were in the worst condition, so perhaps there was triaging going on. But I just found it interesting.
I think it's easy to Monday morning QB the tragedy of '96. No one is perfect. There were a lot of people on Everest that had no business being there. It seems like no one was following protocol. No one was turning back before 2PM. Then a storm hit. It was the perfect environment for things to turn to shit, and they did. Anatoli did more than most people would have done. If were him, I would not have done the same, I would have made it clear to everyone that if you don't turn back if you can't summit by 2PM, you're on your own. Being a guide does not mean that you need to risk your life for people that are too stupid to be on the mountain in the first place. Jon just wrote about his experience, what he saw...and lived through. All the outside criticism is just noise. You were not there.
Seems like anyone who ventures out to tackle a Mountain like Everest should be prepared to die and not expect anyone to risk their lives to save you???
the biggest mistake of all is u have reached summit well past the cut off time and u spend 45 minutes celebrating..... beidelman was after them to start moving...no one listened.... beidelman was himself on top of mountain for 1.5 hrs.... finally 3:30 he put his foot down..... Pitman is beyond imagination shameless.... people didn't hate her for what she did on mountain it's still acceptable...the real cause is how she behaved after coming to base camp
There wouldn't be so much of a 'controversy' if there weren't people like this interviewer trying to stir shit up. And Messner's right to disregard the testimony of Moro, who wasn't even there. Karakauer and Boukreev agreed on much of what actually happened; they just had different ideas about what a guide's role should be. And Messner's absolutely correct: First, Boukreev wrote the book to refute/ defend what Krakauer said in his book. Second, and more importantly, Fischer and Hall's competition to get to the top and disregard for safety had a much greater impact on the events of May 1996.
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THE PART where he said to the group of students around 4:40 : " *There are great breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of the truth's protective layers, places to go beyond belief* " Sounds just like the former Lockheed Martin Skunkworks director, Ben Rich, who stated around the same time that, " *We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an Act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do* " Something tells me they were talking about the same shit.
Also, in 2023 David Grusch whistle-blew and literally said that this was the case... so, It doesn't take phd to have basic analytical skills to see the writing on the walls, what's In Plain Signt lol 👽
What a great video, could it really be 33 years ago. Denver had a clarity to his voice an effervescent quality I had never heard before or since. Viewing it now knowing what was ahead for John Denver it is heartbreaking as well.
Trouble is, all Everest guides before and since, agree with Krakauer. And the idea that the head guide simply leaves his clients on the top of Everest to make their own way down is ridiculous.
Boukreev was in the Scott Fischer's expedition, where nobody died, except Scott. The leader was the only one who died. The tragedy occurs with Rob Hall's expedition, with 4 deaths and 1 seriouly injured by frostbite. Mountain Madness and Broukreev's tatics worked well after all, exceot for Scott Fischer. But he had autonomy and made his own decisions. It was not Boukreev's fault.
the cancer of communism has degenerated society so much that 53 years after landing people on the moon, you send there a rocket worse than Saturn5 with a dummy in the color of a black man and a cunt. success no matter what
rak komunizmu tak zdegenerowal spoleczenstwo ze 53 lata po ladawaniu ludzi na ksiezycu wysylacie rakiete gorsza od saturna5 z manekinem w kolorze murzyna i pizda. sukces jak niewim co
I don't know how in the world I never saw this till now (mid-2023). Why is it only two songs? At the very least I'd have wished to hear solos from all of them. Joe Frazier's performance of "Moon of Alabama" is a masterpiece, as is Chad's "Nobody Knows You When You're Down and Out." I never liked the Trio as much after Chad left, as John's voice, although strong and appealing, didn't blend with Mike's and Joe's voices as well as Chad's had. I saw the original Trio once before Chad left, and saw Chad perform solo three times (went to one show twice) after that, all while I was in high school. It still surprises me that Chad didn't make it as a solo performer - he was outstanding.
Krakauer’s team lost its leader and clients. He helped no one and in fact had to be helped back down the mountain to the South Col. Boukreev saved the lives of several people. He was the only hero from this story. These modern day wanna-be climbers have no business being on 8000 meter peaks!
I've read Ed Viesturs account of the situation and he essentially agrees with Messner's description of what happened and who they were. He's careful not to say anything too negative but you can tell that he is supportive of Krakauer's account, and rather than cast any negative light on Boukreev he simply says that some of his actions that day were heroic, and that he was an impressive climber. If you read between the lines on the different ways he describes them, you can conclude what his opinion was. He was very close to Rob Hall, Scott, and others who were there. In fact, some of them had attended his wedding.
Much respect for and awe of Ed Viesturs. I have read all of his books. Without a doubt Boukreev and Viesturs were the two strongest climbers on that mountain in the spring of 1996.
Messner's criticism of Boukreev climbing without oxygen are B.S. on multiple levels. EVEN IF Boukreev had climbed with O2, he would not have had enough O2 to remain on the mountain for 3 extra hours waiting for the others on his team. NOBODY carries that much extra O2. So the idea that if he'd been on O2, he wouldn't have needed to come down ahead of the others is complete nonsense. That's the job of the sweepers, not the lead guides, for exactly that reason. Worse, had he been on O2, he probably would have been in no position to go out for his rescues later. Going on O2 cripples you when you come off, it's WAY worse than if you hadn't gone on in the first place.
He would have had enough oxygen to stay at the summit until 2pm, when he would have been able to turn everybody around and head them back to Camp 4, including Fischer. If he had, there might not have been an accident at all.
