‘OceanGate thought they could get away with it a bit longer’ | LBC 

Rush mistakenly thought his enemy was those who challenged the safety of his sub but the enemy was the ocean. Never underestimate your enemy.

It was obvious that it was unsafe, but the CEO of OceanGate ignored everyone who tried to tell him.

I recommend the book Survival Of The Richest by Douglas Rushkoff if you're looking to understand why it "wasn't obvious". Abridged version: It was obvious, but it's very easy to ignore anything when you have such an entitled life you believe your money will get you out of any situation.

I work on subsea equipment at sea. I know about these seals and i agree totally with her concerns. As soon as i heard they had two materials for the pressure hull i immediately thought these guys don’t understand what they are doing. Whats worse too is it was glue bonded on. I never heard of this before for a subsea pressure vessel- this just screams at me this is an accident waiting to happen.

Why did he keep on interrupting her? She’s got trillions of amazing things to tell in a short period of time here.

The only person I sympathise with in this whole saga is the 19 year old kid. He didn't deserve to be dragged to his death. Edit: About how apparently "19 year old is adult..", first of allhe was still just a teenager, also he totally confident in his rich dad's judgement. He gets a pass from me.

She is spot on about pressure in relationships. No point foricing someone to like something or dragging them along for the sake of bonding. If one party is not into something, then you can't force them to like what you like. Either find some common ground or separate and do your own thing.

I’d listen to a 3hr interview of Vanessa discussing all of this. It felt incredibly rushed, but I appreciated the insights she gave very thoughtful and nuanced.

Greatly admire this lady’s intelligence-both traditional and emotional.

In answer to how the sea worms other fish survive the water pressure Many sea creatures are made of mostly water. Water cannot be compressed, or squeezed, by pressure like air can. This means that animals in the sea can stay safe when in the depths of the sea, as their body is balanced with the pressure around them, whereas we have air in our bodies that would be crushed

This is the best piece of coverage/critique of this tragedy that I’ve seen. Full of useful insight. I think it’s fascinating that she says this craft was made with two materials that expand and contract at different rates. That seems like something any engineer would understand but when she went on to say it wasn’t pressure tested, it starts to make sense where this unravelled. I also thought it was interesting when she highlighted that everyone on board had a different objective, I hadn’t thought of that and now I can see how it would have been a strange influence on the mission. Very telling when she explained the purpose of her previous deep see expedition and how she collected samples that contributed to environmental studies. You do have to wonder what the real aim was of doing this, especially when, as she says, you can see such detailed imagery online.

Her response about being kind to one another in our relationships at 5:41 was amazing. This lady is not only intelligent, but is emotionally intelligent as well. Great interview.

What a fantastic person. I could have listened to her for a lot longer.

Companies cut corners often

Billionaires playing with billionaire toys and the saturation of news coverage is mind boggling. 200 immigrant children go missing and the press is silent.

I don’t know why people are expecting bodies to be recovered. At that depth they would have instantly turned into tomato juice and mixed with the ocean, not even enough left to feed the fish.

This is, for me, the best conversation with regards to the Ocean gate tragedy.

Now, knowing how the submersible was built, I’m surprised this tragedy didn’t happen in their first voyages.

What a great channel. The Brits know how to do it. And Vanessa is a fantastic interview.

I think being able to say I've been down to the Titanic is incredible bragging rights but becoming a permanent resident as a caveat is not

James Cameron went on record stating that the Titan had hull sensors to warn about hull delamination. The crew knew the hull was failing. They dropped their ballast weights and began an ascent under emergency conditions when it imploded.

She's incredibly eloquent and knowledgeable in how she explains why this happened and why she wouldn't have gone done in the vessel without placing blame on the passengers. Blame is on the owners who didnt listen to the engineers warning them about the mix of materials and lack of certification. Refreshing to analyse the psychology of why ppl risk their lives (who arent doing it for scientific reasons and are potentially using it for bonding experiences)... so much info packed in here!

I’m not an engineer but when I learned of how it was made I instantly came to the same conclusion as her. Two dissimilar materials flexing at different rates and the weak point is the joint between those two.

Bet the the CEO is crushed by the realisation of just how wrong he was.

I share her thoughts. What’s the actual point of looking out a porthole at a wreck we have incredible images of? I’m all for exploration, I understand the best of us take risks but the hubris required to get a glimpse of something ALL of us can view from our sea level screens is tragic.

Apropos of nothing, my nephew asked me to take him horseback riding one year. When we got to the stables and he saw the size of those lovely beasts, he noped right out of there. We ended up eating banana splits at Bob's Big Boy. Now, I'm glad I didn't push him into it.

There is a 1 hour video of the Titanic wreck in 4k i watched it yesterday..i did not pay 250k and iam still alive upto now lol..sometimes its best to leave things to the professionals....

If I had a child and I offered to go on some thrill seeking joy ride where death is highly likely and they were scared, I would listen to them. I wouldn’t force them to go at all. There was a millionaire who refused to go because his son got scared after looking up the safety risk.

Another business with a sociopath in charge?

This lady just tought me such a valuable lesson. I thank everyone involved in delivering this video for me to see

*Avoiding not having to comply with regulations and inspections becasuse of cost... This happens!*

Wow...glad women like this exist in this world.

It was obvious. Multiple experts said so. The CEO didn't care.

What an interesting lady. I could have listened to Matt and her for a lot longer. She went down for science. Sadly the tourists went down to just be tourists and paid the ultimate price.

These teens seem to have more common sense than the parents. The father and son that were supposed to go, didn’t go because of the son’s research. A lesson for all of us.❤

Billionaires get lost at and we move heaven and earth but a boat sank with 700 poor people and nothing i wouldn't shed any tears for those Billionaire.

Bravo! Of all the interviews I’ve watched over the past week you both truly shine - brilliant questions and brilliant answers. You two actually advanced this discussion!

Intelligent, experienced and compassionate guest. 👏

This is the best explanation I’ve heard. My respect to Vanessa 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

One of the most insightful interviews so far on the tragedy.

OceanGate chose this design, because a certified submersible would take fewer people and would require a larger launch vessel. Those factors would implode Stocktons profit margin.

What a fantastic, knowledgeable and humble view given by this lady. And some valuable lessons to learn.

This has been one of the best interviews/information about what happened to titan. Clear and concise information provided by a person with knowledge in the topic.

Right after she tells him this was the only sub going down 4,000 feet that wasn’t certified and how that’s a big red flag, he asks her - ‘so would you have gone on it?’

And I am now a huge Vanessa O’Brien fan! What a wonderfully informative interview!

A lady explorer this was fascinating ! Great marine life history lesson , If you going to do it do it right just like her .Vanessa O'Brien interview

Tbf, I have a Logitech controller that’s great for Mario Kart. But I’m not sure I’d use it to control a vessel at the bottom of the fkn ocean.

They rode in a kit-sub, similar to homemade kit-planes that seem to crash a lot.

Excellent guest! Best explanation of why this tragedy happened. So sad for those whose lives were tragically cut short. RIP 💐💐💐💐💐

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that the CEO background was aviation not maritime engineering

“To me, what’s important is the ability to get back…”

Impressive lady - with plenty of common sense.

The proudness in her voice for going to the highest of peak to the lowest depths kind of makes me understand how Rush took those same risk.. trying to be the first to do something..although, he used very little logic which sadly caused his death and the death of others.

Everyone keeps saying the 19 year old was dragged into it. I saw an interview with his mother who said her son took her place because he really wanted to go. Its still really sad. But i see that story everywhere

Those simple animals can survive at 10,000 meters because they have no hollow air spaces internally. The pressure is equalized inside and out. It’s the pressure on lungs, sinuses, ears, spinal canal, intestines, bone marrow, etc. that crushes vertebrates at depth, especially when the change is sudden (like a submarine implosion).

Can you imagine having this woman for a mother??? She probably competes over everything!

Excellent. My husband and I are not engineers, although my dad and uncle were, but back on the 18th when we learned that this submersible was missing and began to see and read more about it, we knew it most likely had imploded once we learned of the two materials. It makes no sense at all, even to lay people such as us, to put such different materials together and subject them to to that kind of pressure - not once but repeatedly. It's as simple and sad as that. I didn't know about Mr. Rush until all this happened, but what was he thinking?

She has so much trauma as a kid, she needed to dive 11 km deep. But seriously, she is a great person!

Stockton Rush failed to accept safety concerns. He dismissed them. He paid for his mistake with his life.

This woman is amazing . how much more sense she makes explaining how that sub was made and the craziness in actually using it.... It's shocking that it seems common knowledge in that field that them materials wouldn't work just all adds up to absolute craziness..best conversation I've heard on this ...

Never heard this lady before, she's incredibly intelligent😁

The British experienced the same problem when they rushed the DeHavilland Comet ,the world's first commercial jetliner into service. Three of them worked fine in several flights under many cycles of pressurization and depressurization until the very thin skin gave out by cracks in punched rivet holes and corners of the rectangular windows. These planes literally exploded from their own cabin pressure and disintegrated in the air. This submersible almost parallels the Comet by not doing enough testing before taking on passengers.

this woman is a certified badass on so many fronts!

Thank you for a very interesting interview with a very experienced expert.

After a few days of this story. I feel he did know but felt he needed to risk the journeys with customers to a point where revenue could fund more versions. But, he know only 12-15 goes dives per hull before an accident. The 2019 story / rebuild / strengthening makes sense.

Vanessa O'Brien talking sense. I hope all this bad publicity makes OceanGate go under.

What an amazing guest. Very smart and compassionate. I found it interesting that she is fine going to the bottom of the ocean but hates ice fishing! I live in Wisconsin and most people l know love it.

Vanessa is brilliant, very insightful. Thanks Matt

She didn't really answer the question "why can those creatures survive at that depth ?". I would imagine the answer is that they have evolved to survive in a high water pressure ?

When I find discussion like this, I think there is hope for RU-vid. Thank you for posting. Gotta get her book.

Straight to the point and clear and she hit the nail on the head

Excellent insights, both scientific and psychological and so very well articulated. (and kind, too.) Thank you!

Fantastic interview. I have never heard of this woman until now and it should be mandatory for every elementary school child to study her accomplishments. She explained in 5 minutes what makes her so accomplished (going to space, on land and in the ocean). She has articulated as well the tragic decisions of Ocean gate. Talented woman. Will read her book and more about her.

About why deep sea creatures survive the pressure : 1. They are largely water (incompressible) 2. Don’t hold any gas under any form within them

Those gelatinous creature on titanic can survive because they can be compressed - I wonder if brought to the surface and gently decompressed that they would be much much bigger. This lady does inspire thought.

Thing about pressure is that if equalized, on both sides of, let's say a membrane, doesn't do much. That's probably how these sea creatures near the mariana trench survives. But if you took that up to the surface it'd surely explode from the differential pressure.

I could listen to this brilliant woman talk for hours.

The Big Question is , Why is this Billionaire Owner of this experimental Submersible vessel , All of a sudden trying to Cut Cost when it comes to the Safety of his experimental ship !!?...It's not like you can't AFFORD to make a Safe ship !!!..

Apparently even these experts cannot fathom the scale of weight or pressure, a thumb nail is not approximately a square Inch nor is a postage stamp, but more like a square centimeter. So normally tap water weighs 1 gram per cubic centimeter, and there are 100 centimeters in a meter, so 1 meter high column of water across 1 cm square area would weigh 100 grams, so 3800 meters would weigh 380,000 grams so we convert grams to kilo grams we get 380 kilo grams per square centimeter surface area, So at 3,800 meters depth, the weight bearing on any square centimeter of that submersible is 380kg, now that is too small an area to grasp how insane are actual pressures acting on that submersible, it has much larger surface area that that of a 1 cm column of water, so if just take 1 square meter area of that carbon fiber tube, which is 100cm x 100cm, we get a staggering 3,800,000kg weight bearing on just that 1 square meter area, and with no support and the tube thickness is 5 inches or 12.5cm thick. So now imagine if you had a carbon fiber table 1 meter wide by 1 meter in length and 5 inch thick and it had supports across all its 4 edges, then the 3.8Million Kilo grams weight sitting on top would be like stacking 2,620 medium size British family car like Ford Focus each weighing 1450Kg so imagine how high those 2,620 cars would stretch up vertically all bearing their weight ultimately on that 1 meter square table just 5 inches thick of carbon fibre , would you dare sit under that table with so many cars resting on top? No certainly not, as the time progresses, one by one strand of fibers would start snapping and after a while the remaining fibers still intact would not be able to bear that much weight and just cave in. May be if you made that table with 5 inch thick titanium I might gamble my life and sit under neath it for just 5 minutes if you paid me a million dollars. So from that you can imagine how inadequate that 5inch thick tube would be that has no supports at 1 meter apart but sure enough that tube would be my guess about 2.5 to 3 meters in length and the only support it has is its tubular design and end caps, now imagine if that table had bend legs representing tubular form of a tube, how easy would those legs bend! They are not straight, so that tube was so very vulnerable by itself let alone because of its composite structure or different expansion rates. Its like a highway bridge made of bamboo wood tied with ropes and trying to drive a 100ton tank across a small length bridge, it would shear in half, but a gamily car or a 10 ton truck might get across that bridge.

Super interesting, thank you!

What an amazing explorer Vanessa O’Brian - 👏🌹so fascinating to listen to - so knowlegdable - and so right in her views on the Titan - may they all rest in peace

Very enjoyable interview. 👍🏼👍🏼

Informative and great interview

This is a wonderful story about the power of boundaries.

She actually has a decent grasp of physics for a layperson. If anyone on that sub had close to the same understanding, they’d still be alive.

Watched this interview months ago when it first came out after the Titan disaster and was so impressed with Ms. O'Brien--glad I was able to find and watch this video again. Wish she'd had more time to speak about her adventures and the issues with the Titan.

The last question, feels like she rushed an answer, she was probably getting waved off or something. The actual answer to why creatures can survive in immense pressure is that the pressure in their bodies is equalized with the external pressure. Basically, they have no air pockets within their bodies that could collapse, and their tissues are specially adapted to withstand the physical and chemical processes that occur at those depths. Meanwhile, for us, our internal pressure pushes out at about 1atm depending on altitude. Try putting an air bubble pushing out at 1atm in an environment at 400atm and it will collapse. Also, human tissue is not adapted to being submerged in water for very long, let alone at high pressures.

Wow I've listened to quite a few of these posts n she hit it right on the head. Stockton Rush thought he could get away with one more dive .

She knows what she's talking about and looks mighty fine for a near 60 year old 😎 Victor Vescovo and his team and the Limiting Factor submersible are incredible

Now some eccentric TV star is offering trips to the moon in a rocket ship he built out of bean cans and a plastic funnel. Mr Spoon is off to Button Moon!

They oversimplified what should have been a sophisticated machine.

What a thoroughly wonderful guest who is bright, articulate and engaging. Didn’t mince words, either.

Concerning "...get away with it a bit longer", are thrill seekers anxious to see just how far they can go? Or are they OVERanxious to see just much they can get away with?

I think complacency is part of the problem here. They must have been suicidal if they knew it was soon about to pop, so I fimd that hard to imagine, i think they just got complacent as it seemed to work fine.

That’s what I was thinking “they didn’t have in scuba gear to get out to view anything”?? What was the reason for going down??

At about [3:20] "It was obvious to scientists, why wasn't it obvious to Oceangate?" Oceangate was warned, that's why the Director of Marine Engineering David Lochridge resigned in 2018 because he was a whistleblower on that exact germane matter.

She's pretty metal

Can he just stop jumping in and let her speak!

Wow, this was a great interview

Exactly! Her example and explanation is the most clear.