The fights lacking narrative substance in favor of spectacle is a symptom of the cast lacking interactions with one another another and the world building being subpar. Even series like Dragon Ball & DBZ which lean harder on comedy and action than a meticulous narrative does this correctly. Honestly, this is probably why Mahito is looked upon so favorably because his existence as a character and ensuing fight with Yuuji is the only fight that's narratively poignant. There are other examples but most don't get followed up on in future fights or the narrative overall.
@@DulKyoujiAnime I said themes and character development = substance. My video "What Are Jujutsu Kaisen’s Themes?" goes over all the themes in season 1. My video "Theme Grading Chart" explains how I grade themes. If we're just talking about DBZ, JJK has far more themes and character development than DBZ. Idk even know if DBZ has themes. As for character development, JJK has far more character arcs and backstories. See "Character Grading Chart" for how I grade that. Thus JJK has more substance than DBZ.
@@YumesukeSutashika Themes in DBZ: 1) Hubris vs Humbleness 2) Proving Yourself vs Improving One Self 3) Sacrificing yourself for what you love. And... That's all I got so far but yeah, I know it has themes.
Gojo vs sakuna is the perfect example of a fight that was mostly spectacle over substance and i think it would have benefited from more charachter exploration and development throughout the fight .
@@yukotrey9422 i disagree ,we got some new insight of gojo pov in his final moment but we didnt really get any major philosofical or thematical confliclt DURING the fight , the fight was mostly about two op dudes beating the shit out of each other in cool ways ,even the presence of megumi inside sakuna's body didn't bring any major internal conflicts or interesting turn of events in Gojo ,,all of this until gojo get cuts in half offscreen and we then and ONLY then find out that sakuna was holding back and gojo knew he was gonna lose ,lazy and uneffective writing. In barly 10 pages we get The part about him being alone and being freed by sakuna ,that was interesting and made sense thow.
@@nathen9085 so the concept of love that was brought up at the end of round one is character exploration and as you said Gege does heavy recontextualing for nearly every aspect of the fight. I would hardly call it lazy writing, it’s just a different writing style.
@@yukotrey9422 "so the concept of love that was brought up at the end of round one is charachter exploration" How was the concept of love present in the " first round"? And what do you mean by first round? And no, i disagree, in this case it's called lazy writing bicause we didnt actually experience sakuna holding back during the fignt but it was only revealed through text when the fight has already ended ,this is by definition a lazy approach to showing that sakuna was actually holding back. Besides, from your text it's not very clear what you disagree with from what i said in my earlier comment ,so can you just tell me what part do you disagree with?
@@nathen9085 None of this makes sense. Idek how to properly reply to this I’m ngl. Sukuna is said to be holding back and implied to all throughout the fight. And him being revealed to be holding back at the end is lazy because????
Like you said battles should carry substance DBZ used to do this.. power levels and kaioken was tied immediately to the underdog narrative of goku.. giving literal numbers to represent his disadvantage The rasengan literally represents a Naruto and is a tool to convey the rivalry to clash the chidori But in JJK im not sure what black flash represents for yuji goal for a meaningful death.. The negative energy part of cursed energy isnt even really utilised either and i can go on Then again the "substance" im talking about doesnt follow your strict profile
I do think that lack of fights with character development and themes in their fights. But some fights really does add weight with some characters the main ones are gojo and Yuji fights for me
I classify battle shoenen into 2 types typically traditional and nontraditional traditional would be things like the big 3 dbz and mha were the plot is the fights and conflict is typically resolved through the fights then nontraditional would be things like hunter hunter FMA mob phyco story's that uses fights more sparingly and tend fights to move the plot forward instead of being the plot and wail jjk falls into the first category it uses its fights very simmler to alot of nontraditional battle shoenen like hunter hunter. (note I dont think either is a better way of telling a story even if non traditional I tend to like more just a observation iv noticed.)
People forget that fighting in storytelling should never just be fighting and with anime and other mediums it never is. Fighting should continue the story themes, and questions. Emphasizing the conversation being had with the characters and the story and the audience. Jjk has a good lot to say with dialogue before and after fights, throughout but also with the narrator and the people spectating. Jjk isn't just fights how much the fights and end results of fights speaks volumes to the themes of the story and the tragedy of the characters
He actually has a video that addresses this cop out argument. He even gave examples of battle Royale anime that add character and themes to the fights. You should ask yourself why you're so upset that he thinks it's just fights without substance.
@@teddysama5745 "read a non fighting genre if you don't want it" 🤣🤣 sure, your not upset. No emotion whatsoever in this demand. You weren't even indifferent enough to suggest reading something else but the tone is a dead giveaway. That and you starting to not make sense.
Idk I think what I like the most about jjk is the Marco sense of story telling. For example you might think that Yuta vs Sendai 4 deadlock was a meaningless fight, but it clarifies a very VERY important narrative through line: that the strongest is rewarded and the only way to truly be the strongest is to through away your humanity, indulge in your selfishness and become a calamity. This narrative line ties to Gojo, Kashimo, Sukuna, Megumi, Maki, Yuta and many many more. I don’t think characters necessarily change most of them are pretty static but what Gege does is introduce themes in the story and has these static characters viewpoints analyzed and challenged by the theme. That’s why Gojo couldn’t beat Sukuna narratively as much as physically. That’s why everybody wants Yuji to be the one to ice Sukuna cuz Sukuna is the thesis of the theme of the strongest and Yuji is the antithesis of the theme. Two static characters analyzed and challenged by the theme ( more so Sukuna cuz you understand so much of Yuji by now) Add alittle sprinkling of Gege’s sociopathic writing style and you get something I come back to weekly.
You said that yuta vs Sendai 4 deadlock is about how in order to become the strongest you need to through away your humanity ,but...what actually made you come to this theme?like what subtext??. Anyone can start writing an essay about anything in a story ,but what actually tells a story is the subtext and how it's executed. You also said that these charachters do not change, they'r flat, yet you say they'r view point get challenged? Last thing ,you said that yuji is the antithesis of sakuna bicause he rappresent the theme of the strongest?like really ?you think yuji is the antithesis of sakuna bicause of that?
@@nathen9085 you really shouldn’t be yapping about story and essays if you be spelling like a bot. 1)chapter 181 page 5, spells it out pretty well for you 2) flat characters does not mean doesn’t mean their position doesn’t change or get challenged. To challenge the characters is literally conflict by definition. 3) yes, Yuji represent selfless and gets punished repeatedly by the narrative for it, while sukuna represents being the strongest ( cuz he IS the strongest) and he came about that through sheer unadulterated selfishness. They are polar opposites and, in a thematic, antithesis to each other
@@yukotrey9422i just checked and i didn't see anything in the subtext that would suggest that the fight was talking about throwing humanity .did yuta kill some innocent people , take somebody hostage or in general act inhuman towards somebody? Wait, let me just tell you the definition of this word since you didn't actually answear my question . "Subtext is the meaning beneath the dialogue"
Know it's not clever, Bond would be more interesting if the MC was the one who priorities money over friendship and his friend value friendship but the friend works with corrupt people and he has to learn to keep his morals while the MC works with a good company and has to learn to change his ways
Did you know: if you care so much about small details and specific plot points you just make up, its going to be hard for you to enjoy 50% of... anything really
@@memeiacvibe Media literacy/illiteracy is not a big word. Do you not know what "media" and "illiterate" mean? Do you not know what "literature" means?
@@YumesukeSutashika I do but you can also just say I can't read or take in media the way you do. also you are straying away from the original point by trying to make me look stupid. You do you I guess
Bro is a jjk hater, the battles are a clash of ideals and mostly have character development in mind. You aren’t reading with your eyes open. I believe you cannot appreciate the art of jjk.
If you took a second to look at my channel, you'd know that I like the story and have analyzed it multiple times, but its easier to call everyone who doesn't share your opinion a hater.
@@YumesukeSutashika nah it’s fine, I just personally don’t think you appreciate geges style of storytelling. It came off hater like & it’s fine if you don’t like. I personally seen your points as hating or just having a different taste in storytelling. But hater was a dramatic word, id have to rewatch the vid to say anymore.
Now the culling games yeah isn't much flavor especially the randoms there adds nothing. Only yuta and hakari and yuta vs higaruma fights mattered even then kashimo went there and got cooked 😂
