It’s funny seeing the comments assuming “intersex” isn’t an actual medical condition that you’re born with and thinking this video is of someone saying their child is intersex as a gender fluid type thing and being like “no don’t do that, raise it as it’s biological sex” but it’s literally, physically, biologically both or neither sexes.
Or how some people say "well intersex is still male or female" Which they just don't know what intersex is. Like most intersex will have xy or xx. But they won't fit other criteria for that sex. Like why should chromoses be more important in indetifying sex than genes or anatomy? And also there are intersex people who will have two types of chromosomes too.
@@djdreem8417 you do know it’s a physical thing right? Hormones, chromosomes, and parts of the body are all affected. And that the term “hermaphrodite” is just an older term for intersex, you know that right?
Right, which is why this video is obviously pushing an LGBTQRS TUV WXYZ+++++----two spirit three spirit four spirit agenda with the big rainbow flag. Who exactly do you think you people are fooling? I mean, other than yourselves.
I think this is how people who have intersex kids should raise them. I've seen some kids who got the surgery at birth and it turns out they were the other gender.
I think that parents should choose the more dominant gender and also don’t tell their kids that they were intersex because it would be too confusing for them to understand
@@masonm2140 Well including in my position everything is out in the open. So you don’t know what’s dominant until puberty. Secondly, not telling a child is just as bad as telling them if not worse. First off your gonna have to tell them eventually, because thats their medical history and can cause issues in the future. Not telling them can make it harder understand when they find out, because their more than likely to find out. Telling and explaining it from when their able to understand difference from a male and female child’s makes it less difficult in the future. Lastly, I know someone will suggest the surgery that makes it to where they have one gender. I personally highly suggest against it. There are so cons compared to pros.
@@masonm2140 please don’t encourage this, I’m 19 myself and JUST finding out that I have been intersex my whole life with my parents keeping this from me. All I feel is resentment and confusion because they raised as the more “physically leaning” gender, only for me to have these constant feelings of being a boy and think they were wrong. As parents, you should just tell your kids that they were born intersex (someone that isn’t a female or male) and that that’s why they may already look different or that when they get older they will develop differently. Because it’s already hard enough knowing you are different, but to not have your parents supporting you? It’ll feel so much worse
For those who don't know: Intersex is not a "gender identity," it is deviation or variation separate from typical Male and Female biological processes and anatomies. There are many different ways someone can be intersex - chromosomal, anatomical, and hormonal, for example - but all of them are scientifically separate from what constitutes a typical biological Male or Female. As such, raising them using gender neutral terms - the way a parent may use masculine terms for a male child or feminine terms for a female child - is perfectly understandable and well within that parent's rights.
I tried to bring it up in school as a kid. My neighbour was intersex, I was not familiar with it so I googled it. The DNA variations and all. I was made fun of in 7th grade… “They are not my brother or sister, just sibling” They only lived in the rented house for a year before moving
You got a dick you are a man you got tits and a vagina you a woman it is not hard. If you think you are neither or "trans" then you should probably see a psychiatrist and seek help for your issues. Parents who push their agendas on their children should have their children taken away and adults who push their agenda on children in their care should not be allowed around children.
@@pomyata_myata well at first that's kinda the point, the kid is neither male nor female. But as they grow older, they'll probably come to realise which gender expression, pronouns, etc. they feel most comfortable in.
Honestly one of the worst things intersex people face is involuntary surgery at birth. Doctors will often HEAVILY recommend operating on an intersex newborn to be "solely male or female". This could involve removing undescended testicles, removing ovaries, just very serious life-changing surgeries in general that can have lifetime consequences on the person's health, all because "oh, they should be one or the other"
My opinion is, unless a child’s condition is life threatening/will affect their quality of life majorly, they shouldn’t have to go through surgery without their consent.
@@ashtaylor4107 yep. like if the genitalia situation causes issues with the urinary tract etc., that 100% should be fixed. otherwise it's messed up to be performing what is essentially a cosmetic surgery on an infant.
@@PossumByNight and i think is even weirder to perform a sexual cosmetic surgery on a child, why are you concerned about how this kid genitalia looks like
My husband and I discussed this while I was pregnant. We agreed that if we had an intersex child, we'd fight tooth and nail to let THEM decide when they were ready. We even had a few gender neutral names ready. Simply because my family has a history of intersex births. And what happened to my older family members, who had someone else assign their gender for them was heartbreaking. I wasn't going to do that to my own child. I wish it was better explained and talked about. It's not something to be hidden away and ashamed of. It just IS. It needs to be normalized.
The amount of people who have no idea what intersex means complaining about “oh what has the world come to we are doomed” is hilarious to me because the world is doomed but not because people are intersex but because people are so caught up in their own bigotry they can’t even see that intersex isn’t a gender identity but literally something you are born with, it’s a medical term.
@@anonymouspotato1022 well sorry im not from usa i dont know how is it there but here is southamerica only if you are on the medical field it would be rare to know about things like that
Honestly children in general, intersex or not, should be raised the same way. It's so stupid to force kids to play with certain toys for example. Just let the kid be.
No they shouldn't. The development of boys and girls is quite different and they have different needs. Example for this includes: Boys mentally grow up slower than girls and due to testosteron giving them more energy and the need to spend it, they require more productive outlets for it than girls do. Not giving them that will make them aggressive. Also, during puberty due to more radical growth spurts, certain internal systems of boys need to rearange themselves and can cause hearing and balance issues. Currently, boys are held to the standard of girls in schools, which is why so many get misdiagnosed with adhd.
@@Sultschiem (ffs stop replying to this comment I've had enough) I think they were talking more about things like "girls only play with dolls and wear skirts and boys play with cars and play football". Just raising kids differently because of their gender (so for example not letting a girl play football because "it's only for boys")
That must have been hard, I'm sorry /: this video is how it should be. It shouldn't be forcing them to be one or the other or even going so far as surgical changing them. The right will bitch and moan about "mutilating kids" by letting them transition by their own choice but wouldn't bat an eye at someone forcing a transition on an intersex baby.
Intersex is a medical condition where you have both female and male features most commonly in hormones such as having both x and Y chromosomes which result in having female or male appearance and the physical strength or inner biology like muscle mass of the other
I remember a family member of mine saying whatever god made you as, that’s what you are. They then went on to say intersex people need to choose a gender. Well, going by that logic, intersex people were created by god, weren’t they? And god chose for them to be that gender. So why are we still harassing intersex people, people of Jesus? Because you don’t care about the word of god. You care about control and what fits your narrative. Not all religious people are like this but a good majority of the people I have known follow this ignorant logic.
My friend was born intersex and their birth parents tried to “fix” them and then gave them up after. They identify as gender fluid and use whatever pronouns they feel like. Their new parents are awesome and got them on hormones that they wanted in the dose they felt comfortable at as they couldn’t produce hormones naturally.
@FantasyWork they are intersex so they are both. So all pronouns, they/them is their go to, but they don’t mind any pronouns as they have said they are genderfluid. But nice try trying to misgender them. They got a laugh out of it.
That's exactly what I thought, as well. I guess I'm more out of the loop on these things than I thought. But at least I can admit that, work to correct and know better moving forward, unlike phobes.
I never understood why people would perform such surgeries on babies if it isn't medically necessary. I understand if not doing surgeries will risk the child's life, fine do what must be done to save the newborn. But ONLY what must be done. If the intersex child is otherwise healthy then pick a gender neutral name, and use they/them. Let them pick! And heck they might pick neither and stay they, that works too. By that logic why not just treat all kids this way and let them pick ;)
I have an intersex friend. Not sure how he grew up, but he identifies fully as a guy. He’s really fun and works as an animator; something I really want to do when I’m older and employed!
I’m intersex. Raised as a male. Luckily my parents didn’t get it wrong as I still identify as one. But I’m also gay and my girl hormones came out as stronger. But people get mad at work (I’m a teacher) when my name says “Mr.”
@@SamuelSamuelSamuel1 From what I can tell with what I looked up androgynous just refers to the lgbtq+ community. There’s non binary which is when a person chooses not to be a gender but intersex just refers to being born with both male and female parts
@@kiterina8621 which is a sex, and is also a gender because it’s a form of identity. I don’t believe in the 50 something genders but it’s ignorant to pretend intersex isn’t one.
Honestly this is refreshing. People born intersex should be able to choose for themselves, without anyone cutting anything off before the age of consent
I used to be a transphobe. But i eventually combatted my biases and learned to empathize with others. I love my trans homies and hope that the people who are leaving the hateful comments come around and remove the volatile thoughts they carry
People forget that being intersex is a medical condition. “Intersex is a general term used for a variety of situations in which a person is born with reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn't fit the boxes of “female” or “male.”” It can even be chromosomal or hormonal. As in, an intersex person is neither biologically male NOR female, so raising them as gender neutral is the best bet. Why? Because you don’t know how they’re going to look when they’re older. If you raise them as a he but they actually turn out to look more feminine, that’s not going to work - and vice versa. It’s actually best to wait till puberty to see how they end up presenting.
Not to mention the simple fact that their gender identity is not strictly tied to their sex characteristics and you don't know how they will identify later anyway? As is the case with, y'know, everybody. Raising any child as a "he" or a "she" and trying to force gendered roles or characteristics on them, assuming their personal identity will never change or deviate from what you arbitrarily assigned them isn't a very smart parenting decision regardless of whether or not your child is intersex.
@@pahlefam First of all, all terms and words are made up. Literally how languages are made. Secondly, intersex it's what it's called in biology when a person is born with physical sex characteristics of both biological sexes. Most cases of intersexuality are mild and fairly invisible, so the estimate in exactly HOW many babies are born with some form of intersexuality is a pretty wide margin and estimated to somewhere around 0.5-1%. The cases where intersex people fall so in the middle of the two biological sexes that you literally can't say that they're either sex are very few, but do in fact exist. If you had an intersex child with this predicament it would be incredibly cruel(maybe borderline insane is more accurate) to choose to flip a coin, have surgery on them and hope you got it right. If it's not a genuine health complication, it's better to just wait and let them grow into who they're supposed to be(which will happen regardless of what you do, they'll just be miserable if you manage to make the wrong choice) and let them choose if they want anything done to alter their body. If you can't medically motivate making surgical changes to a child's body, you probably shouldn't be making them in the first place.
@@KattReen correction: as i’m intersex. intersex people do not always have both genitals. it’s actually rare to have full hemaphroditism. usually we just have different chromosomes or secondary sex characteristics/hormones that do not align with one sex or the other. :)
@@DeathnoteBB because they dont like the idea that a medical condition is boiled down to a gender identity. there are tons of gender identities and its easy for labels to get lost in the sea of them, you're seeing things that aren't there because honestly nobody cares if this person said "a gender identity" or "some 'gender identity'" because their point is intersex isnt a gender or something you can transition/present as, how they feel about the concept of gender identity is irrelevant here.
@@DeathnoteBB thats not what they meant, they mean people use it as and called it a “gender identity” when it’s not and its a medical condition youre born with, not a gender preference they never showed disdain to a gender identity, theyre simply saying people call it that
@@queeraustraliantheaterkid Already did honey. You just happen to answer to one of many lol And dw I'm gay so- "boo straight thankfully I'm not that, right?"
All these LGBTQ-phobes getting mad over these lovely parents caring for their child (who is BIOLOGICALLY neither firmly Male or Female) makes me laugh Like.. waa waaa goo goo ga ga ya lil hater, go cry to mommy over people being people Seethe and cope, ya phobes
@@politicallyincorrect956 Go sob about my existence. I spit in the face of normality. The "truth" you say is no more true than me saying "The sky is blue because of microscopic pidgeons." Penguins are known to form gay pairings despite females being present. There is an entire species of Lesbian Geckos. And one day, you will be met with whatever higher being decided it was a good idea to put you on this mortal plane, and you will have to justify the space that you filled.
I am born intersex. I didn't know until 14. Neither did my parents. Once we got concerned that i didn't get period and consulted doctor we got to know. I have CAIS( complete androgen insensitivity syndrome) which means physically u can't make out any diff between me and a normal girl. People with CAIS only figure out usually between 12 to 15.
I've heard of that! I didn't realize it was considered a form of intersex until now though, but it makes so much sense! Thank you. I learned something new today :)
@@marmar3530 what? Waking up and finding out your body isn’t what you thought it was, uncertainty about the future with potential osteoporosis (assumed she’s like us with EDs and not going to get her period with how she worded it) and any other complications must be terrifying.
@Emma_aesthetic609 mmm yes I cant wait to see people being burned at the stake for being a woman who knows how to read or just being a woman who doesnt fit the "female standard" mmm and I cant wait to see people hung for loving who they love and being who they are, also, you do realize that trans people have existed for as long as we can tell right? like the native americans have had it (trans/not conforming to man woman) in their culture for as long as they have had culture and infact a bunch of cultures (not just native americans but cultures in africa, the Sammi, and more)
As a biologist, there are so many ignorant people on here that don’t know enough about biology to be saying anything against this. The human genome is not as static and stable as people think, and people can be born intersex from different genetic conditions. For example: Kleinfelter syndrome, in which the individual has XXY sex chromosomes. The X chromosome is duplicated but there is also a Y chromosome. Another example: Jacobs syndrome, which has an extra Y chromosome. Genetic mutations occur ALL the time. These conditions can present physically with both male and female characteristics in the individual. The terms “woman” and “man” have social roles behind them based off the biological sex of “female” and “male”, but GUESS WHAT: if you have characteristics of both, you might struggle to find which one you identify with because you look like neither a cis woman nor a cis man. People need to really educate themselves.
As a pediatrician, I find it sad that ignorant Americans are politicizing this issue. There are so many babies born with ambiguous genitalia which is the opposite of their XY/XX chromosomes and the many variations of diversity from so many biological factors both internal and external. People are ignorant to the science and think their opinions matter, they don’t. Leave these kids alone and stop discriminating against this minority group.
I agree. There are two big problems with the medical community here. One is that many babies with "ambiguous genetalia" externally are surgically altered. The second is that unless there is genetic testing done during pregnancy, genetic testing isn't really big here. This often leads to instances of people who are intersex going undiagnosed, such as when one has XY chromosomes but the Y stops functioning partway through. It can end up with XY's with vaginas (due to the mother's estrogen) and one or two testicles in place of ovaries. I knew a lesbian that went to have a hysterectomy done due to pain, and one of her ovaries was a testicle. She never got genetic testing done to confirm intersex happenings as far as I know and still identifies as female.
As a pediatrician you should know sex is determined by are gamates. Ova or sperm. You could have PCOS but you are supposed to be making eggs which makes you female. You could be born with both sex organs but the gamates your body is supposed to create or are creating determine your sex. Gender ideology promoted her teaches sexism. It teaches children that things in life are masculine or feminine and liking those things determine your gender. In 50 years this ideology will be laughed as a stain medical books up there with lobotomy and shock therapy. I feel sorry an EMT has to educate "doctors" on these things.
@@AdlersShadows An EMT cert takes 6 months to get. Doctorates take literal years. I suppose you didn't know that the center of the Y chromosome can pop off during gestation, meaning the male sex will stop developing. However, due to the mother's estrogen, ALL babies have vaginas in the womb before the sex chromosomes take hold as mother and baby share her blood supply. My mom had genetic testing when she was pregnant. My brother had an XY chromosome, but he also had a vagina. The ovaries turned to testicles, but nothing else happened. They called him a girl, so that we didn't have to explain intersex happenings to every new nurse or doctor we ran into (doctor's recommendation), and named him Melissa.
@@AdlersShadows I didn't think a tax preparer would have to educate an EMT on intersex issues. However, you're also not a doctor. There's proverb that goes, "You cannot fill your cup if it is already full." It means that once one has convinced themselves they know it all, they stop absorbing new information, because to them, they already have all the info that will ever be necessary. It's a rather blind malady of the mind~
For some of you in the comments, you’re opinion on pronouns is your own, and i don’t care, think what you wanna think, but intersex is a literally medical condition that children are born with, learn before commenting 💗
Exactly!! After all that kid is going to school and all. Save them a few bullying situations If doing that. People just think for themselves and not for the best of that kid here...
My mom knows someone that had an intersex child and the parents decided the same thing, to be neutral. The child is now an adult and they still continue to be neutral. 🙂
@@Mel-wn9gb they were born with biological characteristics that don't match either female or male, so to be accepted by society, many parents choose to "fix" them, there are even cases of doctors themselves twisting their wordings so much so the parents don't know what they are agreeing to and do surgery on the kid (that depends on the type of intersex of course). Staying neutral is basically not putting the kid into a box and instead letting the kid to decide by themselves. Sometime the kid just doesn't pick up on either feminine or masculine behavior traits and is more in-between.
I once read a book call “None of the Above” by I. W Gregorio ( highly recommend it’s really good) that talked about a teen girl who finds out she’s intersex after prom. It’s such a good book and explores the struggles of people who are born as intersex. It’s a real medical thing, and they struggle just as much as trans and other identities.
@@baeumchen6384 I see what you mean. I read it when I was younger so I didn’t really think too hard about it. It was kinda strange how she was able to do that. Thank you for bringing that up 😊
The surgery should be up to the child anyway unless its deemed medically necessary. No point in a cosmetic decision by a person who wont need to live with it
Or when they just do genital mutilation on intersex youth in general, like cutting off parts of their phallus to make it “normal” looking or even taking their testes
And 50 years ago the doctor would have just sliced everything off without parents permission, at birth and tell the parents to just raise them as an girl (leaving the child with an lifetime of confusing feelings) - I'm glad we live in modern times.
yes. its terrible, and it still happens. i have seen people talk about that doctors gaslight the parents, even tho the baby didint need to be changed. now that person struggels with pain and other things.
@@cattycorner8 Bullshit it's not true. I went to high school with an intersex person "V" whose highly-religious grandmother decided they should be a girl, and had their penis removed at the age of 3. That was in 1970. Today "V" is the most bitter, self-defeating person I''ve ever loved. "V "wasn't ever a girl, and all the "real girls" knew it and made "V''s life a living hell just because they could. As I suspect you would.
“How are you socializing them” As a kid? Never understood the why socializing a kid into gender roles was such a big thing. My parents just raised me and my sister like we were kids. Barbies? Cool. Dead frogs? Go wash your hands. Building and destroying legos? Awesome. Floofy skirts and tiaras? Looks great! They were shit in many, many ways but at least they never cared about making sure we were ~girls~ (we are both afab).
I'm 28 and I don't give a shit I'd play with dolls with ya today. Sometimes it can be healing to the kid inside us to get to do the things our parents never let us. Wishing ya all the best! @@aezvetys
Lmfao wait till they find out there literally scientifically is more than 2 sexes. But that would take them actually learning something, so I wouldn't hold my breath 💀
@@Oliviaandtrina EDIT2: So I can make this REALLY clear: I know intersex people exist. My descriptions for biological sex were incredibly callous, and removed from the reality of people's experiences. I'm still struggling to say move away from: "There are 2 biological sexes, male and female; Intersex phenotypes display mixed features of the 2 biological sexes" but I'm not sure another reply will help - most of them have reiterated the same points as previous replies. Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to reply, and to read this. Hope you have a good day! ---------------- Original commet: What? Are there animal species that have more than two biological sexes? ---------------- Edit1: Before you reply to this comment, you might be interested to read the thread below. Included within it are details about human biological sex, intersex conditions, and the amazingly varied ways animals may present biological sex. It features comments from a biomedical sciences student (me), an extended biology student, an amateur entomologist, and Trina, who I had originally replied to. If you do reply, you risk me writing an essay in response that voices both my frustration at, and love of, science. I don't shut up. You've been warned. Thanks for reading, have a good day!
@@Oliviaandtrina Edit: PLEASE see the edits on my previous comment before you reply to/read this comment. ------------ Apologies, but I’m not sure I understand? I’m not aware of a third biological sex (or any more beyond that)? I should note that I’m a final year biomedical science student. My final year research project is related to the mechanisms of autoimmunity, which biological sex plays a role in. I’ve not be introduced to any further biological sexes than the ones labelled male and female… But I will admit that scientists are often slow on the uptake - after all, there are still textbooks and peer-reviewed articles using gender and sex interchangeably (a fact I find quite frustrating). So if you have more information on the additional biological sexes, I’d really appreciate it
@@thewheekingrodent so yes there are intersex people, people who are neither male or female. They can have sex organs/features from both, or just chromosomal makeups that don't align with male or female. So biologically they are non binary, since they are neither male or female. Like the original commenter has Kleinfelter which means they have XXY, so an extra X that a bio male wouldn't have. In other species there are intersex and also hermaphrodites which have all sex parts, or can turn into either sex, and even reproduce with themselves. Unfortunately for humans often if a baby is born intersex with sex organs from both sexes the parents will surgically transition the baby and raise them as one sex or the other. But about 1-2 percent of the population is born intersex. So it's rare, but really not that rare. I think we just aren't educated nearly enough about it, especially if you are in an extremely right wing area. But yes there are biologically more than 2 sexes! I'm glad you are going into the medical field with an open mind, and willingness to learn, keep at it!!
I wish all kids were raised like that. Neither my brother nor I are intersex, but our parents pretty much just raised us as kids. There was nothing my brother did that I wasn't allowed to do or vice versa. We're both still cis, I just happen to be fairly non-conforming because that's what feels like me. It isn't that hard to raise kids just as kids, and it leads to teens and adults that don't feel like they have to fulfill a specific gender role to fit society.
I remember in a psy class I took, we watched a video about intersex people and how there were (and probably still are) doctors that believe one should raise an intersex child as a boy because 'it'll be easier later'. Which is terrible and disgusting on several levels, but the video went on further to talk about how there were doctors that straight up lied to the parents and told them that their child was either a boy or a girl. Nothing else. Which like. Even more disgusting all around.
@@mki_kitlof psychology classes call out their predecessors by educating students in the mistakes that were made in the name of psychology too. I’d bet it was a very enriching class.
Actually it's the opposite. It had been common medical practice to surgically alter intersex babies to be female as it is an easier surgery to perform a penectomy. All this was based on the idea that a "man" couldn't function properly with a micropenis. So let's just make him a girl & "she'll" never know that she is ACTUALLY a male. Well, that was proven wrong time & time again when these children said they were actually males. These surgical procedures were being done sometimes with but sometimes without the parents' consent. They were being led to believe that it was only external factors that determined gender.
@@1970Mom didn't they cut of the "penis" and didn't turn it into a clit because girls don't need to feel sexual pleasure. and they asked no one prior to the surgeries
a concept like this would never be “confusing” to kids…it’s only confusing to adults who believe in strict gender norms….kids don’t care unless you MAKE them care lol
I mean, in this case the child is intersex so it makes sense to raise them neutrally because they can't even base it from their genitals (Wich doesn't define gender but still)
@@orcslaughterer6972 oh poor conservative who's afraid of children learning about love and themselves, so scary right, shouldn't teach that to children 😰😰😰
as an intersex person whose condition did not present until puberty, I would like to point out the fact that there are approximately zero downsides to just doing this by default
@Ingoc can't be any more confusing than knowing your gender in your head but mommy telling everyone, including you, that you're wrong. also, what do you mean "everyone else around them knows their gender"? small children are small children. i would know, i work around them. literally the only thing telling boy toddler apart from girl toddler oftentimes is how they're dressed
i know someone who was born intersex and their parents raised them as a girl. caused them a lot of issues and confusion growing up which could have been avoided… especially considering they’re parents didn’t tell them till they were 16.
When I have kids, I will refer to them as their birth sex but not use specific colors or toys from birth. I will educate them on gender as soon as they are old enough to understand and support them no matter what. Love this so much
That's what I have done with my kiddo, he was born a boy but had lots of interest in girl stuff when he was a wee fella and I let him explore that. He has now hit puberty and still identifies as a boy, and I think me not shoving traditional boy stuff down his throat has made him a more well rounded person in general.
Hey I needed your help I'm 11 almost 12 but I feel like im non binary but I'm scared to tell my parents because they will say I'm too young but I been feeling these feelings for years help😢😢
Gotta say it really sucked when my dad wouldnt let me do "boy" things like work on the car simply because i was a girl. I just wanted to connect with him and spend time with him.
Being raised as a specific gender despite being intersex had ruined my idea of gender and sex and left me confused and fighting with my mind and body / presentation . I am very happy that parents do this
You were born with a medical condition, it doesn’t make you literally neither a man or a woman. The majority of intersex people still have identifiable markers as to which sex they are more of. Hence why it is fixed.
what pisses me off is i was born intersex, my parents never told me and raised "or tried" to raise me as a boy, i found out a few years ago since im an adult now and do my own medical appointments that im intersex. im a transgender women now because i never felt or agree with being a guy.
What a concept. 25 years ago I was taking the psychology of human sexuality class at college and they had already known that the children who were born intersex and surgically altered towards a gender and raised according to that gender, almost always were unhappy with the assigned gender when they grew up.
You can't be born intersex. You are born as one of the only 2 existing genders. I don't see no intersexual monkeys, we humans, another type of animal we follow the biological laws other animals follow, some of use are just retarded
I really like this! I had an intersex classmate and when I was educating some people about gender terms line AFAB or A MAN they piped up to educate the entire classroom about intersex and even give us a peek into being intersex because we're intersex! I learned that day that the term "hermaphrodite" (commonly used for intersex people) is actually not a term for humans but rather other animals and plants. When they were born, there was no intersex option on the birth certificate yet and it caused them a lot of problems when enrolling into the college and they also struggle with the gendered bathrooms. Because they have a but of both in them but they had been estrogen for a majority of their life but now they're coming off of it so if they use the male bathroom they get strange looks but if they use the female bathroom they also get strange looks. They also informed us that the wheelchair access buttons on campus don't work! So I've never wanted to advocate for a people and person so badly
I'd do the same if my child was on the intersex spectrum. The only times I would surgically lean one way or another is -If the condition proposed a serious health risk during development -When the child is dead set on a particular gender and sex Otherwise just teach them to love themselves for what makes them unique. I had to learn that by myself the hard way
The amount of people who choose to complain about anything LGBTQ+ without any prior knowledge is becoming VERY apparent from the comments section. Intersex does not mean gender neutral. It means the child has a DSD - they are not biologically male or female, they are often somewhere in between. This could mean having a child with XY chromosomes but a vagina or, in some rare instances, the child being born with a vagina and testicles or an ovotestis. This has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with physical biology. If a child is biologically not completely male or completely female, it makes sense to refer to them as "they" until they become old enough to figure out which part of their biology they might like to adopt as their dominant physical gender through surgeries and the like.
Most 'intersex' people are either Male (XY) or Female (XX) but have genetic/developmental disorders that cause them to superficially resemble a different sex. There's a subset of 'intersex' people that have specific genetic disorders like Klinefelter's syndrome that give them abnormal chromosome counts. The fact that some individuals may possess genetic disorders giving them abnormal chromosome counts does not contest the fact sex is binary anymore than people born without legs contests the fact that humans are bipedal. So basically you're talking about genetic disorders affecting a fraction of a percent of a fraction of a percent. The normal practise in classifying such individuals is simply to 'round to whatever is easiest for society' or 'makes the most logical sense based on the way the disorder works' for instance Klinefelter's Syndrome (XXY) occurs when a regular male (XY) has a genetic disorder resulting in an extra X chromosome so (logically) we refer to them as XXY males.
the majority of biologists admit, sex is not binary. It is *bimodal* . There are an assortment of sexual characteristics, tied to one direction or another, and two statistical averages. The Male Mode, and the Female Mode. In between, you have a valley that is neither, 200 million people with intersex traits, chromosomal mosaicism, variated chromosomal makeup, and plenty more. A father was found to have an ovary that had even produced eggs. There is no clear line, and these individuals explicitly disprove binary sex in favor of the scholarly accepted bimodal model.
@@Jeewanu216 False, the overwhelming majority of biologists maintain that sex binary (a biologist who thinks sex is not binary is akin to a flat-earth geologist). Furthermore, Biologists when referring to adults will typically use gender and sex terms interchangeably even in their published work. Man = Adult Human Male (XY Chromosomes). Woman = Adult Human Female (XX Chromosomes). Any other Chromosomal arrangement = Genetic defect. Genetic defects do not contest the fact human sex is binary anymore than 'people born without legs' contest the fact humans as a species are bipedal.
I was born intersex and was operated on before I could even speak for myself, so now I’m in the process of transitioning, I wish parents were rational like this, woulda saved me and a lot of kids
Although in this day and age it’s the right call, not that long ago, regular gay people were being bullied , discriminated against and murdered. Transgender or anything in the grey area were viewed as total freaks to society. The suicide rate was crazy high. Some parents just didn’t know, and definitely for the kids best interest at heart, they chose the easiest choice (it the reproductive organs looked more female they went female etc) . I’m sorry you are in the position of now having to transition; however you may have dodged a major bullet by being raised one clear gender (depending on your age) and esp if you were raised female and transitioning to male, reconstructive penile technology was pretty much in its infancy years ago. The doc may have mutilated your genitals or prevented you from ever O’ing again.
@@jamesmanter8731 I mean not through a screen, I doubt you have the balls
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Yeah this is the right decision for sure. A friend from school was intersex and socialised as a woman- and was consequently devestated to learn at 12 that she couldn’t ever carry kids, and she wanted to be a mom some day ( still uses she / her )
Intersex almost never is "exactly in the middle between male and female" though. So imo therevis nothing wrong with using he/him on an intersex child that is very likely to identify as a boy later, or she/her on one likely to later identify as a girl. (Depending on the environment that might be safer and easier for te child) As long as the child knows they are intersex and knows that the pronouns the parents are using are a best guess and they can change their mind anytime. And of course no surgical adjustment unless medically necessary
@@theninja4137 no one is saying that it is exactly 50/50 every single time, just that in cases where a child is born with ambiguous genitals that there is no reason to choose before the kid understands for themself.
@@scourgeface if a child is born with testicles, XY chromosomes, male hormone levels and only ambigous outside genetalia that child is very likely to later identify as male. So it's not wrong to use he/him pronouns, especially if you are in an environment where using they/them pronouns could lead to bullying or other negative pressure put on the child
I recently played both dead space games; remake and original. One thing I noticed was that they changed the bathroom sign in the remake to add a third gender, which was not there back in 2008. Which kind of cements the fact that this "72 genders" bullshit was pretty recent.
My parents let me play with dinosaurs as a kid. They were totally ok with me having no interest in dolls. My mom said she asked me why I didn't like dolls as a kid, and I was like, " mon, why would I want to play with Plastic people? That's boring 🧐"
Even from a conservative Perspective I can not understand socializing intersex people by just picking a gender for them. Isn't it them saying gender is the same as sex? So if your childs sex is not clear, how would you know their gender? You can't so you don't assume.
Sex is clear. Even intersex sexes can be determined. Intersex is split into 3 groups, true, male pseudo, female pseudo. Doctors will operate after birth based on determining factors to figure out their sex. While they don't have typical chromosomes or genitals, decisions are made still. If not at birth, the actual sex will present itself during puberty.
This reminded me of the episode of House MD we're they treated an intersex kid and the parents chose to raise them as an boy but also feared they'd made the wrong choice the whole time. Never told the kid and ended up being the reason the kid nearly died by insisting on unnecessary testing. House ends up telling them "You gave birth to a freak of nature. Doesn't mean it's a good idea to treat him like one." Which while yes is kinda harsh (especially in front of the kid who's only recently learned about his condition). It's exactly what the parents needed to hear.
PSA: intersex is not a sexual preference or “identity”. You are born intersex. An example would be someone born with a penis, but also a uterus and ovaries. Or a vagina and internal testicles. Give intersex a Google, there are many different physical aspects that make one intersex, but it is not simply a way you identify. Hence, imo, this is the perfect way to socialize your intersex kiddo! Let them decide when they are old enough, what they want to be referred to as.
@@rachelvieira397 i'm going to hazard a guess as a cishet girl and say that the point of LGBTQ+ is to encompass EVERY defining trait relating to gender, sex or sexuality that doesn't quite fit the norm. lots of intersex people have issues related to gender as parents tend to raise them as one or the other and they often choose the wrong one. it's doubly bad if non-consensual surgical intervention was involved. if anyone who is actually part of the community has an answer that makes more sense than mine, i'm open to correction. this is just what i understood from the general discussion.
Forcing an intersex child to be "one gender or the other" can lead to serious mental health issues if their brain/soul do not agree with the parent's choice, which is often based on the parental want and has nothing to do with the wellbeing of the child. Also, sometimes being intersex is not obvious and not caught at birth. I know of someone who was raised male and had the full external kit to be male but nothing changed at puberty. Now, she had never really FELT male but lived in a family where that was not allowed so she didn't speak on it. At 17 she got tested and found her DNA was female and that she had ovaries but no uterus or external/visual indicators. She got gender-affirming surgery and her parents refused to accept her, claiming she had always been a boy and this new medical info didn't matter. Don't be like those parents, accept people as they tell you they are
That's actually really interesting, I don't see many intersex stories online and with the Trans ones I do see the parents talk heavily about DNA and biological but the second a intersex person had the opposite gender DNA as to what they were raised suddenly the parents dont wanna acknowledge science. Thanks for sharing her story.
@@Chloe_thefoxstudios I’m XX and assigned female at birth but what should be ovaries actually act like testes…which is beyond annoying. I spent nearly 15 years in puberty, first a partial female, then male with ridiculous levels of testosterone, and then female again after starting HRT. There’s still some ambiguity as to whether or not the doctors altered anything when I was born and it’s been impossible to get a straight answer from anyone. I don’t care about gender but I’m on HRT because my body won’t produce even enough estrogen to prevent bone loss. Even if I wanted to go the male route I’d have to be on estrogen if I don’t want to risk osteoporosis in the next few years.
@@CraigCatapano you do understand what intersex means, right? Pulling down pants will not answer the question for you if they are intersex. That's why the pediatrician here is ASKING what gender the parents have chosen; the child has ambiguous genitals
I remember reading an story about an single mom from 40 years ago. Her only child-son was born with only one testicle. Doctors were afraid it was going to develop cancer (even though testicle cancer was not in her family history), so they cut if off in the birthing room without telling the young mom. She crawled off the birthing bed and stopped them from cutting off his penis too - they said he wouldn't need it now anyway, and it would be easier to raise him as an girl, because girls are easier and she was only an single mom. This happened in USA, she tired to sue but it don't work out because they shamed her for being an single mom.
I actually had a friend in high school who was born intersex and he was raised completely as a girl his entire childhood until he decided to functionally become a trans man upon leaving high school because it was the only way he could be a man in peace without being bothered about it
This is a great time to bring up the Intersex Justice Project and the fact that hospitals in the US and UK and others do involuntary surgery on intersex children to make them "normal", sometimes without even telling the parents, as a standard procedure. Many don't, many ask and some do nothing, but its still a huge problem
Idk if I will have children, but if I do, I'd probably refer to them as the gender they're assigned at birth, but let them play with any toys they want, no matter their gender ^^
@@whowroteholdencaulfieldNot always. There are many different combinations of male and female traits that can exist in an intersex person. And it's not always easy to "tell" which one they will identify closer with.
As a transgender woman, we should treat our children their assigned gender at birth, it’s not something you get to choose. If, when they are older, they develop gender dysphoria, then we can treat them accordingly. Gender dysphoria should be the only thing that defines you as transgender, since it is a real health issue. No need to treat transgenderism as a choice. Edit: this comment clearly upset a lot of people. I misinterpreted the video and didn’t realize it was talking about intersex children. My original opinion still stands as what it is but not in context of the video. I don’t feel knowledgeable enough to give an opinion about intersex stuff.
Generally, I agree with you. However, I believe that this video’s topic was specifically about a child who is biologically intersex. And as a parent, it would be wrong to simply decide your child’s gender in this situation, since this kid does not have an assigned gender at birth. So I guess it’s better if it’s the kid’s “decision” later on in life (simply realizing how they identify), than if it’s the parents’ decision, based off of nothing but personal preference which gender child they would want.
I just went to a dentist recently presenting full fem, clothing and all, and put my preferred name as Chloe. (As gender, I unfortunately put male only because medications / dosages can be biologically critical) but without me even telling any of the dentists they referred to me as She/Her the entire time and it made me feel so awesome and valid! Then my mom, who I was with at the time, just HAD to confuse them all by using my wrong pronouns. :/
I wish my dentist did that so that way I can interrupt my mother before she says anything like: “He/They and my name is Samual!” Just to prove a point that she has been ignoring for almost I wanna say 2-4 months around?
Intersex is a touchy issue in general. not cause of the gender stuff allone. But mainly the health issues these children face. I think many oversee their general health concerns also mentally. So letting parents say ... we want them to be gender neutral and decide for themselves is vital for their mental health.
I think this is important, even for transphobic people. Usually when puberty hits, they will either release more masculine hormones, or feminine hormones. That’s when their brain knows who they are and develop those features. On rare occasions they can develop from both genders, but their brain will still know. Many parents just snip off one part or the other and socialize their kid the way they want, then their hormones kick in and they suffer.
Intersex =/= Transgender. We respect God's creation. Intersex are born that way and are a part of God's beautiful creation but transgender who were indeed born normally unlike Intersexes yet reject themselves and pretended to be something else.
