Thank you Paul. I got your name from the other comments and now have subscribed. You are on the money. I have an amputated leg and have been sitting in a wheel chair for a very long time after an operation to my stump and now waiting for a new prosthesis. Recently I suffer from a sore knee and realise incorrect use of knee; getting up and off the chair, extended above me and so on. Your advice is priceless. Thank you so much.
Sooo i am currently suffering from jumpers knee for the past 4 months. i just recently started doing isometric and excentric training to strenghten the muscle and the tendon. Sometimes it can hurt a little after the workout. If i go into a good stretch right after the workout the pain completely goes away. Thats only my experience.
@@andrewkaufman3393 also the workouts really, you need to stay consistent but I promise it’s worth it. I had really bad knee pain because of basketball and now it’s gone and I’m stronger than ever
@@suryavardhansinghrathore4421 elaborate, I'm curious and wanting to buy durability code. Been doing KOT Zero for a week or so with some decent improvement to my jumpers knee but just curious about your thoughts on all of it
@@somaticsxd1189 I have read books, related to strength and conditioning, *what I think is*, knees guy had some problems he tried some things and they worked, there is logic behind his reasoning but he is following his intuitions more than research and he strikes very little of strength and conditioning works I think. There are many more ways for developing strength, explosiveness etc. Any of pjfs program will work. He is pure knowledge not common sense. KOT guy just uses fancy ways. I design my workout myself now and I am gaining more knowledge as time passes and it is very easy and logical. No KOT squat etc. He just over emphasizes exercises. Understanding exercise, it's application and its effect helps a lot. If you are athelete or want atheletic results go to pjf. Want general health do different things, heavy wt ex, high rep ex, explosive ex, sprints, jumping, running, sports they will do the work. And stay active.
This makes sense, but stretching the tendon will loosen up the tendon, which is in the end of the day the problem. The reason jumpers knee hurts, is cause the tendon is too short, and keeps getting pulled, so if you loosen the tendon by stretching it, wouldn't that help a lot?
I don't know how your case is, but my problem is micro tears. The tendon looks fine under an ultrasound, but the stinging pain from small tears doesn't go away
Idk if I have patellar tendonitis or tendinopathy but I dunk pretty often and worked on my hops a lot from 16-19 , I’m 20 now whenever I play for hours the next day and after my knee is so sore , I love to play tho and it’s not bad enough that I need to stop , I took 5 months off and it got slightly better but I’ve been 4x a week snd it’s hurting a lot now , so my question is can I fix it and still play or am I going to have to deal with it if I dont want to stop?
The fastest recovery technique I use after playing is alternating icing and heating between both knees. I usually have ice pack on one knee and rubber hot water bag on the other. Avoid direct contact of ice or heat to skin, I put a light cloth(handkerchief) . After 10mins, I swap. I do this about 3 times before bedtime. The next day, I usually don't feel so sore
Disagree. It depends on how you stretch and incorporate it with other knee strengthening and rehab activities. Human body functions as a whole. We should only think one of the factors.
how do i know if i have jumpers knee? or my coach said it was my osgood schlatters hurting again but they havent hurt in 2 years and im 16 now could i be growing again? how do i reduce pain in the area?
I have knee pain for one year now. Having also excessive APT. Thomas test fails. Is it tight rectus femoris, jumpers knee, or pfps? Vmo on this side also significantly smaller. No clear diagnose yet ;(
@@jmakabd103 no, knee over toe guy is 100% wrong to encourage stretching directly at the joint if symptoms are present. Every qualified physical therapist and strength coach knows this.
Because KOT guy is a quack. I cringe when I see him advocating stretching in max knee flexion for REHAB. This is well know in physical therapy, only stretch the joint/tendon directly if it’s for prevention. Never for rehab.
I’ve done both, Vert Code is a lot more focused on vert, ATG is a lot more focused on “bulletproofing.” Not that VC Elite doesn’t bulletproof, but there are higher volume of plyos and stuff whereas ATG is only 1 jump day a week. Whichever program to do just really depends on your goals I think
@@WestonWolkov Thanks bro, I’ll probably stick to KOT for now if that’s the case. I’ve been having a little bit of knee pain and my b-ball season is starting soon, so I prob don’t want too much plyos volume anyways
I agree. I gather I've had patella tendonosis for a few years (I don't believe I've had a 100% diagnosis by a competent physiotherapist), and can't decide if standard quad stretches are good or bad for it. I do a similar stretch shown at the 1:46 mark. I put a hard roller under my bum, flex my hip as much as I can comfortably, then gently bend my knee until I feel my quad stretching. With me in this position, not much knee flexion is needed to get a good quad stretch. Having said that, this stretch doesn't feel quite the same as standard quad stretches with heaps of knee flexion
I don’t think he’s hating on it actually he promotes that you do it but only after your tendon is completely healed. It’s a great stretch but it can interrupt the process of the tendon regenerating itself
I would have to disagree with you, from a perspective of antifragile epigenetic adaptation, conditioning nervous, muscle, osseous and fibrous tissue through hormetic stress is only going to yield an improved phenotype better suited to environmental variation along with all of the increased durability, flexibility, dynamiciscm, elasticity, etc. that comes along with such a change. There's also the neurological substrate to consider in determining movement patterns, how the perceptual feedback of somatopsychic-psychosomatic interlocution will determine the limitations and expression of the individual component, the knee, in relation to the superstructure. Generally issues or chronic impingement or inflammation are conscious in origin, a lack of somatic awareness preventing holistic integration of stress, which, in a culture that seems deathly afraid of pain and discomfort and all too eager to medicate themselves into sensory ignorance, is fairly unsurprising. You can't integrate stress if your unwilling to perceive damage.
@Kneesovertoesguy That. man had me couch stretching two minutes a day everyday on his program while I had jumper's knee... needless to say it never healed and I had to get off his program and join THP to finally heal it
I need some ASAP help, been dealing with it for almost 3 months and I am 16 years old. I want to be able to play basketball in the summer at least 😢. Please help me man
@@arseni.s1595 what’s up bro it personally took my 2-3 months to be able to jump without pain and right now it’s been about 5 months and I am starting to play pickup basketballs again. It’s a long process but it’s do able
@@arseni.s1595 for sure man tendinopathy is brutal but through time and hard work can get better. You have to completely stop doing whatever flares it up. For me it was jumping. I play basketball and over training with lots of jumping eventually caught up to me so I had to completely stop jumping running anything that flared it up. I next had to start doing 5 sets of 45 second isometric holds two times a day. My isometric of choice is the leg extension isometric. Use a weight that is hard to do for 45 seconds but not so hard that you have a bunch of pain (above 3/10) or that your leg is shaking you want to be able to hold the weight strong. After about a week for me of only doing isometrics I did quarter squats 3 days a week (Monday Wednesday Friday) literally with just the bar to start and every workout I added 5 pounds. The quarter squat tempo you want to go at is 4 seconds down 4 seconds up once you can get to about 200 with zero pain you can drop weight a bit and go to normal squats don’t force depth go as deep as your mobility allows and again go at a slow 4 down 4 up tempo. Once you I could do that with about 200 pounds no pain I incorporated depth drop landings once a week starting from a low box with lower reps and slowly working my way up after a few weeks of that I added 10 meter sprints twice a week and then each week increased by 5 meters continuing to do my landings (going no higher than about 32 inches) and eventually lowering the box again and doing single leg depth drop landings. After weeks of that I was eventually doing about 40 meter sprints and able to do 4x8 of 24 inch one leg depth drop landings no pain I started jumping again but it started as 5 jumps going at 10% 20% 30% 40% and 50% then next week 6 jumps going up to 60% intensity and then 7 at 70% so on until I eventually did 1 single max jump. I was still doing about 30-40 meter sprints in that time and doing one set of 8 reps single leg landings after each of those workouts. Throughout this time I was doing accessory hamstring and calf exercises that didn’t hurt my knee like seated or lying hamstring curl and seated calf raise or standing single leg calf raise. Sorry for the long post but it is a long process one that can’t be rushed. You can Ice but do not stretch the tendon you can stretch muscles around it like hamstrings calves but do not over stretch your quad. Good luck to you man
except he's not If you can stretch pain free it means your tendon is probably allright to do stretching. If it hurts - don't do it, that's what he's saying.
This is science-based advice. If you watch kneesovertoesguy, he ain't gonna cite legit research, he just gon tell you to put your ass to the ground. LOL!
