10 Minutes of Religion being Pulled Apart by Dan Barker 

​@@jeffreyerwin3665 We believe in fairytales in 2024?

@@yuvrajs.8109 The fairytale people are the ones that refuse to accept scientific evidence.

@@jeffreyerwin3665 So if we don't believe in cancer, it would disappear, you say?

@@jeffreyerwin3665 "scientific evidence." Wish you would be clever enough to be able to understand those 2 words, Jeff.

@@jeffreyerwin3665 So do you blame yourself for not seeing pink unicorns and tooth fairies?

Or it was created to be used on people with a crippling fear of death.

@@IndigenousUndergroundPrimateexactly. It was made to control people

We are all going to die so why fear it?

It was created to be useful, it used to serve a purpose even though its nonsense

Fear of death, seggs obsession, controI of women. MaIe worshipp. Simple and as seIfish as that. We must now work and do better.

Dan Barker ought to meet Frank Turek. Frank Turek would easily use Dan Barker's own logic to tear his fallacies apart.

​@@georgewarner5496 Your comment is absolutely hilarious. Turek didn't even recover from the debate against Hitchens.

@@georgewarner5496Frank Turek? Oh you mean one of those multimillionaire preachers who conveniently ignore Jesus’s teaching to give all they possess to the poor; but of course the words of Jesus are only to be taken literally when they do not cause personal inconvenience.

@@georgewarner5496 1) You've got to be joking. Turek could not tear his way out of a wet paper bag...2) Barker's logic is actually quite sound.

@@georgewarner5496 I have NEVER seen the despicable Frank Turek make a decent argument. Maybe you know of one you could post here? I won't hold my breath.

Religion is as old as human beings are, yes, all but one of them are untrue, but to say that tens to hundreds of thousands of years of human wisdom is null just because you don't agree with it is the height of ignorance. You are no better than your ancestors

The alternative is to believe that nothing made something. That is logical absurdity.

⁠@@brianschmidt704something has to come from nothing, the very nature of having something is to objectively say that there is not nothing. To say God created all of this is just as absurd, as how a God capable of such came to be in the first place?

@@sojournmd That is the issue. Something has to be the first cause and everything else exists in depends on it. The idea of god naturally follows from this idea. I suggest that you read the book by Frank Turek, I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.

@@brianschmidt704 yes it is. This is why nothing doesn't exist as a THING!!! Nothing is nothing..it never was never will be. There was always something..stop tryn to make nothing something just so your imaginary god has a place to live..👉🎅🙄

@@brianschmidt704 No, you don't have enough critical thinking skills to be an atheist. 😉

Because that's how intellectually dishonest people would think. You should be grateful you don't understand those kinds of thoughts! ;)

That's why Science doesn't' seriously tries to define it. It deals with positive definitions using what is rather than what is not.

@@9y2bgy "positive definitions using what is rather than what is not." Because that is logical. What use it would be to make assumptions without any positive background? Should we consider anything possible without any correlation to previous experiences with reality? Then you would get assertions without evidence, ohh, wait, that is theism...

He literally sent His own Son down to suffer and die on a Cross for our sins, it is the single most gracious act He could've possible given to us. Try to read and understand the Bible first before making judgements about it.

I think any speech of Dan should be enough to deconvert any theist at the very moment, at least if that theist considers itself an honest and rational person.

@@AntitheistHuman there's no rationality in religion. They surely try to call their attempts to make sense "rational", but they're just being disingenuous.

Agreed. ​@@AntitheistHuman

​@AntitheistHuman We can just hope. Unfortunately, they are not religious because of logic. So logic will probably not be the reason they stop believing.

As I see it not quite. I wrote a long answer further up.

@@jeffreyerwin3665 THE END TIMES BIBLE PROPHECY - 2ND COMING 📖🙏 DID NOT HAPPEN THEN, WONT HAPPEN NOW, OR EVER... PROOF JESUS IS A LIAR, HE TOOK THE BUS & LEFT FOR GOOD, there won't be any 2nd coming. 🤫 ____________________ MATTHEW 16:27-28 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are 👉 some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom. ✅ YOU CANT GET MORE CLEAR THAN THAT.. Jesus said "HE WILL RETURN BEFORE" some of the people are still ALIVE or BEFORE THE GENERATION HAS PASSED. 👉 That didn't happen even more than 2000 years later so why are CHRISTIANS expecting their god to be back to raise them from D dead. 🤣 HAHAHAHA... ____________________ "YOU NEED TO STAY DUMB TO KEEP BELIEVING IN THE GOD OF THE BIBLE." 🙏 ____________________

@@jeffreyerwin3665 Jeff, would be time to drop your debunked idiocy out to the garbage, or you just don't understand why your claims are simply utter stpd?

@@jeffreyerwin3665 How, Jeff? How can you hide from an omnipotent entity? Also, how come he seems like favours the intellectually dishonest humans all the time, who has never be able to prove that their connection with that god is real?

​@@jeffreyerwin3665holy shit you are retarded

​@jeffreyerwin3665 yet here you are pretending you do.

verses?

Logic

@@jeffreyerwin3665 Genesis 1:27 Little, dishonest Liar and pathetic 1d10t

@@jeffreyerwin3665your book says so. Come on man. Your trolling needs some more substance.

@@jeffreyerwin3665 Another fact. If God exists and knows everything in advance, why did he create a flood knowing it would not rid the world of "sin"? God obviously prefers evil as he kept his devil around to recreate evil. Why? If God was too weak to defeat the devil why do you believe he will in the future? Makes zero sense. Wake up.

Image as in likeness to His character. Only human brains has the most thinking ability on the planet.

Jesus is the body, God is the consciousness, and the Holy spirit is the spirit. And in the older versions of the bible it says “our” image.

Heaven would be spending eternity with the conscious designer of cholera and the creator of hell...

Or the long version: "You chose to create me knowing that i would defy you. You are the creator of all things wich means ultimately you are responsible for everything your creations do to both you and each other. Either you are evil or really stupid. No "plan" you have can possibly justify all the bad stuff you made happen first"

@@SonataHellsica It can’t be clear than this. Yet, religion lives. Why? Because….there’s billions put behind to keep it alive. By who? Governments all around the world.

​@@arkdark5554 That and tradition and habit.

Jesus would say “I already went to hell.”

Nobody knows what the experience of death is because no one’s ever come back to tell us. It’s simple really.

@@BeastCake1349 : That’s right and what is so convenient for organized religion - since there is literally NO ONE who has died and came back to tell us what happens after you die then religion can make up anything they want and peddle it to the gullible and naive in order to manipulate and get money out of them.

you know exactly what happens when you die if you're an atheist materialist, you cease to exist. You will cease to be, cease to think or feel, you will be gone because all you ever were was a chain of chemical reactions working together to make up your thoughts and feelings. You're just a machine, and like all machines, when they break down and die, they join everyone else in the great trash pile to be forgotten about and recycled for the next machine. Be honest and accept the grim consequences of your worldview

Well Gandhi was no saint, for once instance he went to South Africa in protest against the Apartheid system because the Indian population was swept under it along with the Africans, he didnt agree that Indians should be compared to them. He clearly thought Indians were better than Africans.

The bible is all twisted up. It says you can't go to heaven by being good yet gives a list of things not to do in Revelation so that you don't go to hell. Jesus says the prostitutes come in before the self righteous do. So then the law is to do evil then but Paul says not to. Ecclesiastes says don't be overly righteous and don't be overly wicked but it doesn't say it was a command from God. Then why is it in the bible? 😂 Kinda stupid, don't you think? 🤔 It says be perfect yet it also says there is none righteous. It also says it is hard even for the righteous to get into heaven. So what's the point then? It's all a mind game.

@@JasonTaylor90210 No, It is all set up to prove that no one can get to heaven by being religious. Religion is a chase of perfection which is impossible. Every instance of people in the bible confronting the actual god all fell on their face. They all realized that no one could be good enough. This is why religion ultimately fails. In that way I agree with the author of this video. Real christianity is not religion. It is a relationship with jesus who actually was perfect because he is god.

@@brianschmidt704 *//"Real christianity is not religion."//* Nonsense. By literal definition Christianity is one of the major World Religions with many denominations. This whole statement of yours is nothing more than a combination of "No True Scotsman" fallacy and the application of some form of a Moral Equivalence argument (in defense of Your Own Religious Ideology, that you Wish & Want to Distance from Organized Religion [and it's more Negative impacts & moral-shortcomings] as much as possible). *//"It is a relationship with jesus who actually was perfect because he is god."//* No matter if you call it a "relationship" or not (though Relationships can be Demonstrated, and are TWO-Way Streets of _Actual_ Communication), the fact that you BELIEVE IN a figure known as "Jesus" (AND Believe that person to have Been "God") means YOU. ARE. A Member. Of. A Christian Religion. Nobody else but a Religious person with inclinations toward Christian Ideologies could or would believe such a thing. Literally. Whether your personal Religious Ideology is Non-Denominational (or Not), and whether it Does or Doesn't YET Have A Name, Cannot change the Objective Fact that it IS Still A Christian Religious Ideology that is Entirely Predicated on the Central Christian Religious Figurehead as alleged & expounded about from the Christian Religious 'Holy' Texts.

@@JasonTaylor90210 The bible just contradicts ITSELF.

​@@jeffreyerwin3665 Quick IQ test... Solve: 4, 5, 14, 185, ...

@@jeffreyerwin3665 What is the definition of Atheism, again, Jeff? You never be able to remember to, it seems like! ;)

@@jeffreyerwin3665 Actually religion is the quest for brainwash people into believing in the supernatural and scientific impossibilities. Religion ruled Europe for a thousand years - it was called the Dark Ages.

​@jeffreyerwin3665 🥴🤣 HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! UGH! oh so many contradictions in a single comment.

@@jeffreyerwin3665 Atheism doesn't pretend to know. It is fine to acknowledge not knowing with the promise that ignorance will NOT remain forever.

Can you be 100% sure that it was a 100% silly answer?

@@svenerikjohansson8130 A non-physical, incorporeal, ultimate mind. Translated -- nothing, nothing, abstract concept at best. We know from studying the brain that the mind changes when the brain does. Chemicals, disease, and surgery can alter the mind. So, yeah, 100% silly answer.

@@svenerikjohansson8130 Another fact. If God exists and knows everything in advance, why did he create a flood knowing it would not rid the world of "sin"? God obviously prefers evil as he kept his devil around to recreate evil. Why? If God was too weak to defeat the devil why do you believe he will in the future? Makes zero sense. Wake up.

@@Truth-Be-Told-USA First of all-As I guess you don´t believe in any God you can not say "God opbviously prefers.....". As you don´t believe in any God you can´t believe that any God "prefers" anything at all. Second: Your question would maybe be better to give to fundamentalist christians. I am not among them, and I guess it refers more to what they believe than to what I believe then.

@@svenerikjohansson8130 actually I believe some kind of God exists just not one that cares about humanity. not the one in the ancient fantasy story book

Your message must be spread to all the poorest regions on Earth. If they understand this suffering will end😊

If your message was spread to poorest regions on earth. Suffering will end😊

Agree chose to never have any offspring so no one would suffer this hell world because of me

@@Truth-Be-Told-USA its like who has children is replacing himself when he gets old so that the few percent of elite will not run out of slaves☹

Then you are a coward, none of us would be here with your philosiphy.

And I don't wanna blame religion for the things Putin is doing and has done, but why no? It's so obvious, Putting is in the power by corruption and tyranny for decades, he is a dictator and I claim religion plays a great role in his mindset and in the mindset of the people manipulated by him. We literally have historical proof of religion doing evil to humanity, and we also have modern proof to continue justifying it, when is this gonna end? Why do we still have people taking mythology as if it were real, it hurts humanity

Well thought through and well expressed. Thanks

The problem is that people still look at death like it is a big deal. Everything degrade, and perish, totally transform into atoms. We have the time to be able to have this biomass that able to put together complex movements and bring ideas into fruition, and that's life. To be able to live longer and create more would be something really desired, but as we are taught we don't appreciate this time till we can create, but enslave ourselves to be able to buy what others create, who are living their life as it should be used. So it is your choice, what you do with your given time until your biomass is able to cooperate.

We can subjectively judge morals in the framework of what is universally deemed to be acceptably beneficial to humanity.

Salient point about intersubjective morality. Subtle too.

@@gilsonsangulukaniphiri5018 Out of curiosity, is universality interchangeable with objectivity?

According to the theists, morals come from God and according to the atheists ethics are a social construct. for example views on abortion. So what is morals when we have ethics?

Neither is the voice in your head real because you "think" it

​@@0bito555 The voice in your head is a symptom of neural activity. It's as "real" as the flavor of strawberries.

​@@0bito555 You can measure the neuron activity electrically that you call your inner voice. You can prove it exists.

The only spiritual experience I've had came in a glass. Usually single malt 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 whisky. I'm having The Glenlivet just now 😉

Energy is non physical. You are answering from the materialist point of view that if you can't hold it it's not real. Your thoughts are also non material as are your feelings.

That’s why religious belief is referred to as faith, e.g., the Jewish Faith, because there is no verifiable proof that it is real and you have to take it “on faith” alone. And faith is defined as belief without evidence or, as has been attributed to the great Mark Twain, ‘faith is believing in something you know isn’t true’.

Most of all of human knowledge is faith based - a reliance on others we believe have found facts and pass on that knowledge. We also have faith that when we do science, we will find facts and knowledge.

Every belief proposal is faith based including atheism, we don’t have any evidence of creationism, nature doesn’t have any creative elements to originate life also. We know a little about animals adaptation over millions of years but we don’t have any evidence different species can evolve into other species also. Modern science has put a huge spanner in the works of Atheistic scientists now scrambling to make sense of cells and DNA which have irreducible complexity, in other words its not something which could have possibly evolved. The more we look into science the less we know unfortunately maybe we will find the truth one day.

@@eliaspap8708 Your comment is an oxymoron. Faith and Atheist do not go in the same sentence. They're opposites not companions.

@@Istandby666 atheism is a positive belief. It is more than mere absence of a belief.

there's literally a giant historical document that chronicles with precise accuracy how a man came back to life from the dead and resurrected others from the dead. You should go read it

And evidence in general

Shroud of Turin was a photgraphic image of God they sometimes say.

@@Elvengem by they you mean the church

@@Truth-Be-Told-USA Believers in Christ. And many scientists who studied the resurrection and that were not believers at first but they became convinced later on.

​@@Elvengemand millions more read the whole book and walked away

I wonder if even half of them know any of this or that their precious king James bible was approved by a homosexual.

Thanks for the comment, I be reading it in more detail soon. Keep it up mate, humanity needs more rational and reasonable human beings, people who take mythology seriously are a danger

@@thegametroll6264 It's split between 'Denial' and 'Delusion.' Most Christians only want to hear, see and interpret what they want. Truth is the last thing they're looking for.

I might add that there were two powerful bishops with their retinue competing for what books were sanctified by god as the truth, and emperor Constantine sided with one of them leaving the other to start his own form of Christianity called Zoroastrianism.

@@hectormata449 Yup. I wonder about what was said behind closed doors. There's the 'story line,' (The Jesus story) and the truth that was not shared. I think this is why the Vatican vaults are closed to many, because the real truth of Christianity lies somewhere in it's depths. And if that truth ever got out... The world would crumble.

its seems more like God isnt sending them there,they are following the devil there when they go there.

​@@Elvengemfor finite crimes

@@Florida79578 its the fact of buying each soul at a price by the blood of Christ to completely atone for it. Who knows why human sin nature is so dirty but it says it is.

@Aldarionz9 like I said infinte torment for finite crimes that sounds messed up

@@Florida79578 it most likely isnt personal sins that sends anyone there,but more likely a larger sin applied on humanity from Adam and eve and the devil. Probably the simple rejection of Christ is applying the unforgiveable sin which is rejecting the revelation of the Holy Spirit and tht would be rejecting the gospel of Christ that He can save only. Now the finite crimes we have are all forgiveable but the one rejection isnt because its like two pathways,and the one that rejects him is following after the crime of the devil when he chose to leave God as the master,and chose to go away independently,and so its not our finite crimes that we are making us unsaved,its simply choosing to go independently from God,and that is choosing to take part in the guilt of the devil ,and thus people make him master of them when they dont choose to follow God as the master. Going independent,is going the wrong way.

Until narcissism, egomania, dullness, gullibility will exist, religion will exist.

I think it's a bit like imagining that you'd have a personal relationship with the yeastcells that go in your homemade bread... and indeed, definitely, religions are narcissistic constructs, god the father gives up his child and says the two typical things you often hear from a narcissist: 'why can't you be a bit more like him'... and 'look what you made me do'

And it takes a narcissist to believe they are themselves the most superior being on earth who originated from sea particles over milennia. Its neither here nor there.

@@KiaPi2012 were you homeschooled?

@@marcdc6809 making stupid irrelevant comments does you no favours. I like when atheists think being an atheist automatically gifts one with a higher IQ. You Bro are no Einstein!

If you observe life from the most basic organism, you can understand more easily what life is. Since everything alive is just a less or more complex group of single cell organisms, then the answer is simply instincts to survive.

I really liked your comment and to me life is just a big nothing , just like the universe it’s there and it does nothing !

Today's problem is not the polytheistic religions anymore, right? Atheism and anti-theism has to represent and reveal the most worrying religions, like Islam in the first place! When Christianity and Islam is dead, we can fiddle with the harmless idiocy...

@philmason7860 And the flow of unproven claims seems to never end. That's how religion keep itself floating, just like the Flat Earth movement. Make claims, never bring proof...

@JennyLovesWillRiker Humans Unite God Succeeds. Thank you.

@@caseyjay8097 How about to drop faith finally and start to learn to trust in people who deserve your trust and in yourself? I know it is hard to relearn how to use your reasoning part of your mind, but that is how things work in reality. You will be fine!

It bothers me that I stayed in the Christian cult for so long instead of standing up against it when I was younger. Religion did nothing good in my life and being around religious people showed me the hate these people have for reality and they lie continually for their make believe.

No, that's a common mistake. Your choices are to get *Justice* or *Justice* - it's just a question of who is paying your fine for your sins against an Infinitely Holy God: yourself, or Jesus? How many lies have you said in your lifetime? Have you ever stolen, fornicated, committed adultery, been greedy, dishonored your parents, idolized, blasphemed, hated, or did anything else evil? If so, then you are guilty of breaking God's mostly common sense Ten moral Commandments. If you sin just 10 times per day, then after 80 years you will have broken God's mostly common sense moral law over 290,000 times. You didn't just sin against an insignificant person like me - if you attack a police officer you get in big trouble. If you attack a King or President, you get in even worse trouble. You have sinned countless times against the *Infinite* and *Holy* God who created you, and for all of your lawbreaking and rebellion against your Creator you've earned an equitable fine. If you're innocent and you've never done these things, then you have nothing to worry about. If you're guilty though, then you're going to have to give an account to your Creator and if He is truly Holy and Just, then He has to punish sin wherever it is found - and He said He will. *Will you be guilty?* That's the bad news - God is Holy and Just, and you are guilty, which means you're on the receiving end of that Justice. The good news is that *"God showed His love for us by sending His Son to die for us while were still sinners"* (Romans 5:8). You committed countless crimes against Him; Jesus paid your fine in your place so you could be released on bail. So no, your choices are: A) Accept justice for your numerous counts of lying, theft, adultery, fornication, hatred, dishonoring your parents, greed, blasphemy, idolatry, etc., against the Infinite and Holy God of the entire universe who gave you everything you have (which means you have nothing to pay your fine with, because even that was given to you). ...or... B) Accept Jesus' Just payment of your fine on your behalf in your place - God-With-Us in the flesh paid your fine Himself because He loves you, justly fulfilling the requirements of the law, and releasing you from your sin on bail as a free gift. And your response is not only to accept justice for your sins against an Infinitely Holy God yourself, but you're also blaspheming Him for loving you and paying your fine for you? ...let me know how that works out for you my friend. It's not too late though, you have until you die. *"But God is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish, but for all to reach repentance"* (2 Peter 3:9) *"But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken."* (Matthew 12:36) *"It is appointed for a man to die once, then comes Judgment"* (Hebrews 9:27) *"The wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord"* (Romans 6:23)

Correct, the burden of proof is not on the atheist. Theists need to prove a god does exist, not the other way around.

Desperate people who are either doesn't know better, or wishful thinkers, traumatized, or basic liars who make money from religion. Until dull people will exist, religion will exist.

Terrible analogy. The theist can easily use the exact same analogy and frame the question this way: “Do you believe there was a cause (the girl) or that the lamp broke itself?”.

@@calvins_hat never seen a lamp break itself

@@Truth-Be-Told-USA have you seen anything create itself?

​@@calvins_hat​@calvins_hat yes we read in the fantasy book that the devil created himself because supposedly God didn't create him😂😂😂

@@Truth-Be-Told-USA you have avoided the question for the same reason Dan avoids it

Perfect summary of Christianity.

We see and comprehend the existence of the CREATOR EXPLICITLY VIA HINDSIGHT , , , and the wording of Romans 1:20 sincerely convey the truth.

Who said it was a who? Oh let me guess. Some illiterate nameless dude/author from the Bronze Age who knew infinitely more than the modern world knows. Yeah right. And whose who are you refering to? The Islamic Who? The Norse Who? The Ancient Greek Who? Oh yeah, probably the who of the buy-bull considering your line of questioning. That buy bull didn't fall out of the sky. And lets get to the real question. If all these miracles are supposed to have happened....just demonstrate one. I don't mean showing a writing of a writing of a writing of a witness to a witness who heard it from a witness and overheard a rumor of a witness...that something MIGHT have happened and somebody declared it was a miracle. Show us a miracle. Intelligent design ding dongs are absolutely the most scientifically illiterate people in the USA today. The intentionally avoide science or want to cherry pick it like they do their buy bulls. If you want to buy that bull nobody could stop you if they tried. But I am not going to buy that bull about talking snakes, floods that didn't happen, and events that never happened.

Interesting questions. How did it happen? What matter is needed? When was it formed? Also which way will achieve the same results?

Natural laws? You need nothing more!

That sounds like the military....lol

Guys if I may ask. Why do you fear and authority

@@JesilTembo Guys? People ass-ume a lot making them sound stupid.

Who should be responsible for banning religion? I don't think religion should be banned ever. Just like I don't believe in a theocracy. Government should never be in the business of mind control. Can you imagine a world in which laws "ban" how or what you believe? I'm an atheist. I don't believe in anything supernatural. Yet if someone wants to believe in the wizard of oz. And form a cult of the "Followers of the yellow brick road", as much as I believe they are frickin nuts, they should have that right to do so. As long as they don't send those damn flying monkeys after me😜

If you mean in a legal sense: In that case I´d gladly take a prison term. I do not intend to renounce what I honestly believe in. I believe in Jesus no matter what the world wants me to do.

@@svenerikjohansson8130 That's funny, I thought banning a lifestyle made people that follow that lifestyle magically disappear. At least that's the logic you Christians use when you try to ban other groups.

​@@svenerikjohansson8130But according to you Christians, banning a lifestyle makes people that follow that lifestyle disappear.

@@svenerikjohansson8130 And who said I wanted prison time for people that followed religion?

Why doesn't that seem illogical to you? 1. At best you have evidence _something_ happened. 2. Do you have evidence of the correct explanation of what happened, that your friends were actually possessed? Of course not. 3. Do you have evidence a god was even related? Definitely not. It doesn't seem even remotely related to a god!

@@majm4606 I don’t need any other evidence or logic when I experienced their strength and saw them crawling on a wall. All three was Buddhist that was possessed, two others were Christian’s that was baptized when kids including my self. I never believed in demons until that day. Came to realize if evil like that exists God does as well.

@@jonniedeedore7093 What don't you understand? I'm asking you why it'd be evidence of a god. I'm assuming you're not lying and that you saw people with abilities you couldn't explain. Well being unable to explain them means (a) you can't explain it as demons or possession and (b) it definitely isn't evidence of a god. Does that make sense? When something is unexplained, _is it explained?_

@@majm4606 I was baptized it dint happened to me nor my other friend. three of my Buddhist brothers had to get a exorcism from a catholic priest. I saw and heard what the other entities spoke during the exorcism. I saw who demons fear. I understand where you come from,when you have God you have to live life a certain way, basically in spirit not flesh. You chose not to believe in God to live a life without discipline rite ? my friend probably any life changing event have not happened to you yet but don’t wait till you get to your death bed with your last breath to accept the truth. You have more reasons to believe in God than not.

@@jonniedeedore7093 How are you saying you understand where I'm coming from? That's nonsense. I'm pointing you to the foundation of your beliefs so that you see there's nothing there, and you just don't seem to care. What do I mean by that? Well... * did you present evidence of a god? * did you present evidence proving they were possessed? * evidence of demons involved? No, no, and no. You only described a very weird experience that you then insisted (for no reason; based on no evidence) involved demons/possession and that it led you to believe in a god. So I didn't choose non-belief. Instead every time I talk to a believer and they act like you're acting, they're _strongly_ indicating that nobody knows any gods exist. It's just people claiming to know things they don't know. Is there any way to get you to care more about truth? By that I mean can I get you to match your beliefs to the evidence (to reality itself)? And can I get you to admit you don't have sufficient evidence to say you know the right explanation of your experience? Because it sure seems like you don't, right? Again, it's the behavior of theists -- the complete inability to present reasonable evidence of a god -- that causes me to (quite reasonably) remain unconvinced.

It is "grace" that allows you to do that without consequence. . . . .

​@@jeffreyerwin3665Ever notice the dramatic story about jesus. It requires a death on a cross to make it a dramatic story. If jesus had just been stabbed no one would believe rhe ancient story. Wake up. That's likely why it wasn't written in today's real modern world as jesus dying would not occur so dramatically as we don't use such barbaric killing methods.

@@jeffreyerwin3665 Liar...

@@dorkception2012 uuu! that hurt! (LOL)

@@jeffreyerwin3665nonsense. You spout this rubbish like you know it is true without question. Honestly you have no idea what is real and what isn’t. Your indoctrinated mind cannot expand out past your faith based dimwitted skull. And you’ll just go on an oblivious fool too…

According to the Encyclopedia of wars, 93% of wars are secular in nature - only 7% are religious. It's secularism, humanism, and amoralism we need to be wary of. *"The long and short of it is that I became convinced that atheism implies amorality; and since I am an atheist, I must therefore embrace amorality... The religious fundamentalists are correct: without God, there is no morality. But they are incorrect, I still believe, about there being a God. Hence, I believe, there is no morality."* (Joel Marks, Professor Emeritus of Philosophy, University of New Haven, "Philosophy Now," Sep 2010).

Try that logic in a court of law - you stand there in front of the judge, and he says "you're clearly guilty, we have undeniable evidence, and we even witnessed you committing the act. How do you plea?" You respond "but I'm a good person, and sending a good person to be punished is not okay." You're not in court for your community service; you're there for your crimes. The obvious problem is that you are observably not a good person. Every time you've lied, stolen, hated, blasphemed, idolized, dishonored your parents, committed adultery, fornicated, were greedy, or did any other form of evil, you demonstrated yourself to be a "not good" person. If you sin just 10 times per day, then after 80 years you will have broken God's mostly common sense Ten moral commandments over 290,000 times... do you still think you're a "good person"? *"All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"* (Romans 3:23) *"Jesus answered. “No one is good-except God alone."* (Mark 10:18) If you're innocent, then when you die you will get justice - and you have nothing to worry about. But if you've ever done any of these or other evil deeds, then you have committed countless sins against an Infinite and Holy God, and are liable to give an account to the God who created you, and as a Holy and Just God He has to punish all sin wherever it is found - otherwise He wouldn't be Holy. That's why Jesus, God-With-Us in the flesh, had to die on the cross - He paid your fine for all your sins for you because He loved you - it's a free gift. *"But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken."* (Matthew 12:36) *"The wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord"* (Romans 6:23)

@michaelg377 No one has ever proven any of the 15 million + gods. Do you have evidence for what you claim about a god? Once again the bible is mythology with a 6300 year old universe. why should anyone believe in a book that is not true?

@@defenestratefalsehoods My friend, you're moving the goal posts (a logical fallacy) from the false "God punishes 'good' people" to "there are 15M+ gods." That said, let me ask you this... *for some reason you live in contrast to the atheistic "we're all just chemicals" belief system, but perfectly in line with everything the God you reject said about you instead as a valuable human being made in His image and likeness - why do you do that?* That is powerful evidence you can see in yourself that God created you, and that you're not just "meaningless evolved protoplasm" in a meaningless chemical universe that doesn't care about you, and I love that He put that into you so you can see clear evidence in yourself that He exists. God said you are a meaningful and valuable human being made in His image and likeness (Genesis 1:27), with purpose and a capacity for "dominion" over creation (Genesis 1:26), morality and a sense of justice (Genesis 9:6), a sense of respect towards others (James 3:10), and a conscience which reflects the principles of His law (Romans 2:15), among other things. These are observable qualities that we all observe in you, and being made in God's image and likeness makes perfect sense of that. I know you don't believe in God though - so how do you explain these observable qualities in you from your own atheistic "we're just chemical reactions" worldview? "Do you believe meaningless chemicals fizzed together in a puddle, and somehow "human beings are valuable"? Or do you believe that chemicals evolved, and somehow "rape is wrong"? Animals do it all the time, and chemicals destroy each other all the time... and the atheistic worldview holds that we are evolved animals, and just chemicals... what's the difference?" *"They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them."* (Romans 2:15)

Atheism isn't a belief. It's reality. Your fantasies about souls and gods are beliefs.

⁠atheism is a belief it is a religion, a very zealous one as well. Your mind is so closed to other possibilities that you can’t see whole dimensions of life at all. So, yes, it is a belief system.

@@sheenajardine7730 Nope. It is precisely an absence of belief in things that don't exist. I don't _believe_ unicorns don't exist. They simply do not exist. You're just spewing the same lame uneducated pseudo-intellectual nonsense we've all heard over and over and over again from intellectually lazy and dishonest Christians.

@@sheenajardine7730 My mind isn't even remotely closed... I actually did well in school and have advanced degrees and spent my life actually helping people via healthcare/social work. That's probably why I'm not a fool for religious nonsense. Do you even have a high school degree yet? Or are you a dropout like Tim Pool, Lauren Boebert and Matt Walsh?

@@nsbd90nowwow that escalated quickly into insults! I didn’t say you were stupid in any way, I said your mind is closed to other possibilities if you don’t believe in the spiritual realm and only the physical realm.

LMAO no.

Butt is a fitting name since he made a total ass of himself with that logic.

Out of curiosity, does that include rebirth?

@@maggiebarrett7300 Just cause and affect. watch My name is Earl

Up. I woke up 37 years ago.

Did it ever cross your mind that there is a great eternal purpose to pain? That suffering is NOT what God wants, and it will only be like this for a certain period of time. Like a woman who suffers from birth pains, but after the child is born there is joy. That’s what human history will be. We prove we can’t do it without Him - THAT’S why there is pain and suffering. Your reasoning is totally erroneous.

@@seektruth5074 You`ve lived your life on the lies you`ve been told. Good Luck!

With respect, why do you care? In your worldview as an Atheist, aren't those "insects" just meaningless evolved protoplasm in a meaningless amoral chemical universe that doesn't care? Is it somehow *Objectively Wrong* for them to be "stepped on," because Objective morality requires an Objective and Universally applicable source that exists outside of your "subjective" chemical reaction brain (ie. God) - which is a problem because such Objective values like "good," "bad," "right," "wrong," etc. simply cannot exist in the Atheist's worldview. You are ironically borrowing from God's image and likeness programmed into you, and I love that you do that because every time you refer to such Objective values like that you are producing evidence that even you can see in your own behavior that A) you are not "meaningless evolved protoplasm" in a meaningless universe that doesn't care about you, and B) God exists, because without Him, you don't have Objective values/morality - you can't. *"The long and short of it is that I became convinced that atheism implies amorality; and since I am an atheist, I must therefore embrace amorality... The religious fundamentalists are correct: without God, there is no morality. But they are incorrect, I still believe, about there being a God. Hence, I believe, there is no morality."* (Joel Marks, Professor Emeritus of Philosophy, University of New Haven, "Philosophy Now," Sep 2010). In your worldview, cancer, leprosy, death - these are your evolutionary cousins. They evolved by the same "natural" meaningless chance processes that accidentally produced cockroaches and dirt clods on the side of the road, and this meaningless universe literally does not care when you step on an insect. Nor does it care about your chemical reaction "pain" or "suffering;" it's just chemicals. *" They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them"* (Romans 2:15) Fish don't evolve into philosophers, and puddles of chemicals don't fizz into people by chance, no matter how much *Time* you add to the mix. That's not how science (a methodology) works.