10 Times Star Trek Went Woke 

I mean… he is attacking the first officer😂

Unless it opposes anything held up in so called infinite combinations

@@gups4963 What are you even trying to say here?

Apparently grammar isn't baked into its DNA? 'It's'? 🤣 A possessive apostrophe?

​@JaceRidley he's talking about if you're a conservative Trek fan that you are basically shunned from the modern fandom. I can only speak anecdotally, but the majority of the social media pages I've interacted with in regards to Trek treat conservative fans like sh*t.

@@ryanventer9221 gee oh golly wow, I just can't imagine why that is. /sarcasm

True, and an example that wisdom can be contained in anyone, regardless of stature. Alexander COULD have taken the injection, just to 'defend' himself from the other Platonians, but a hand (or mind) raised in defense is a mere twitch away from one raised in revenge.

Michael Dunn was a fantastic actor. He played some very strong roles, highly unusual for Little People back then. I highly recommend the movie "Ship of Fools." It's based on a novel written in 1933. The ship it takes place on is a German cruise ship. He also played a very fun recurring villain on the tv show "Wild Wild West." Miguelito Loveless clearly enjoyed toying with Jim West, and you could see that delight in Michael Dunn's eyes.

@@CynthiaWarren I agree 100%. He did not let the circumstances of his birth limit him. Barring any "full-body" costume roles, he never was a "gimmick," he gave his lines and poses as if he was no different from the taller actors.

@@CynthiaWarren True that! He was also on Gunsmoke.

He could also play an evil side with a dueling scar on the side of his face in the alternate universe.

Also for ST6 the dinner scene displaying the Universal Translator has limits. Chekov: "We do believe all planets have a sovereign claim to inalienable human rights." Azetbur: "'Inalien'-If only you could hear yourselves. Human rights-the very name is racist. The Federation is no more than a homosapiens-only club." "Chekov, His Foot In Mouth" would be visited again with "Darmok" (TNG5.2) showing direct-translations are also fallible when one doesn't understand the context of the words.

Yeah they really should have said so in the title 😮‍💨

That came later with Michael Dorn.

Was that because she saw Uhura on television or was it from the time Nichelle Nichols was basically working for NASA and traveled around encouraging minorities to join NASA?

And yet Spock consistently deals with bigotry against him ("you pointy-eared Vulcan," and although Kirk said there's no room for bigotry on the bridge, there was bigotry expressed nonetheless). That's part of the beauty of TOS too. It gave hope for progress but also did show that progress would always continue to take work.

@@billkerns9258 yeah, but at least it seems interhuman racism is a thing of the past

@@bryson2662 True but honestly that's an area where I felt Trek needed to improve. And remember, the aliens were also allegories and stand-ins for diverse peoples in the show. I love the sense of hope in Trek. However, the Federation Exceptionalism borders on jingoism at times, especially when we see the Federation as a stand in for the US and American Exceptionalism. The Federation can in many ways be compared to the famous vision of the "city on a shining hill" in US traditions.

​@@billkerns9258when McCoy says something like that to Spock, it's more like playful teasing. McCoy actually respects Spock. He has shown this respect many times like in The Menagerie, Amok Time, The Tholian Web and other episodes.

@@sureshmukhi2316 I agree that McCoy held respect for Spock, a respect that grew over time. His conduct changed also with the movies. It's possible for someone to have respect for a member of a minority group, and consider that person a friend, yet also engage in conduct that is harmful. To use examples that are common, many people who are White may say pejorative things or use pejorative phrases about people who are Black but then when called on it, talk of respect for someone who is Black and a friend. It's the old "I have Black friends" thing. And often the pejorative phrases are dismissed by the person as just in jest. Having respect for a Black friend doesn't make it OK for such a white person in this case to use the pejorative term. Not even jokingly. Of course this phenomenon is hardly limited to people who are White or Black. Just using examples. Spock was never shown to be OK with the perjoratives by the way. And that makes a huge difference. At most he tolerated them. At times he openly said he did not like them. McCoy kept using the term despite Spock's wishes being clear. At least - during the original three seasons. In the movies things changed.

Only rages the bigots.. so congratulations twit

Finally!!!! Thanks so much Trek culture. Back a sub

Until youtube sees the title of the video and proceeds to fill everyone's suggestions with only rage bait.

What's rage bait? Being pissed off enough to watch a vid?

Only for a few episodes. Eventually that mop on his head was his own hair.

Lol! 😂

Cleanup in the Comment aisle! Bring the Sarcasm Mop!

I first became aware of Harlan Ellison when he used to do his editorials on the sci-fi channels sci-fi buzz show. My God what a Miserable person he was you can actually see his blood pressure rising the He spoke

I don't know how such a misanthrope can write the stories he does.

😂😂😂😂

You ain't kiddin

Not to mention the entire human race.

Growth is not linear.

Lol

True fan.

Indeed. The Romulan captain of that ship was one of Sarek's shadow clones.

He oddly doesn't look like the Klingon Commander that foolishly fired on V'ger.....

​@@MonCappyHe's probably chilling in Vorta Vohr, living it up🖖

Man as in Mankind.

@@DenCanyon you view it that way and many do as well but not everyone. Historically women were considered as chattel so 'man-kind' was, in the thinking of the time, the only reasonable thing to say. But we've moved past those ugly days and recognize equality. And that's why we have "Where no-one" instead.

@@davidjunk6117 - A pretty compelling counterargument can be made. After all, the word "man" did originally mean "human" (there were other words in English to describe male and female. I'm not an etymologist, it's just a bit of trivia I once picked up). When the words were "Where no man has gone before" it literally did mean "Where no human has gone before". When the words were changed to "Where no-one has gone before"... that seems a little dismissive of all those people they encounter in those places they go. Like, all those aliens on all those worlds are "no-one".

@@davidjunk6117 There are still some countries in the world where women are still suppressed, if you go to the middle east for example.

​@@RictusHolloweye it's clearly referring to Starfleet/Federation members. If you keep "man" that dismisses all of the other Federation races who aren't human.

Well, that would track with Alfred Nobel.

"No one ever had issues with the older shows!" Showing your ignorance there. TNG was often called too progressive. People complained at length about DS9 literally turned a pre-internet industry on it's head by showing 2 women kissing. People wanted Uhura off TV for being black and ordering around white people. Same for Chekhov because he was Russian. One episode of TNG was banned in England for decades because it DARED to mention the idea of Irish Independence occurring. You have missed the very point of Star Trek in your choices to complain because it doesn't focus solely on you as a demographic anymore.

Nothing will ever cringe/laugh-at-better than Ryker "coming out" to Troi because he wants to bang the sexless alien who wants to be a woman.

What makes you cringe?

@@jackdavinci the way that Bashir fawns over Melora just because she's a wheelchair user existing in the world and how she's depicted as an angry and bitter woman until Bashir melts her heart

​@@xBINARYGODx But we still enjoyed the heck out of that episode. I heard a rumor that the sexless alien was supposed to be played by a male actor and to have a gay kiss with Ryker but the producers refused at the last minute changing to a female actress. Lol.

I actually quite liked the "Bashir romancing the wheelchair user" episode. Just my opinion.

But he lived in America. So he was actually Jamaican-American.

They’re coming 🖖

DS9 tried a little harder to portray political differences more honestly. Kirksman trek makes a progressive fever dream for anything right of Mao

yeah thats not what it means anymore. It means yelling out what you think is right without listening to anyone. Just your point of view and nothing else at all. Llike most things, ideas get corrupted

That's a different channel, friend. lol

You assume incorrectly - the SCRIPT called for both actors to actively RESIST being forced into ANYTHING against the will of their characters. No, the Captain of a quasi-military ship should not be passionately be kissing one of their officers regardless of the race, species or gender of said officer - it would be, if voluntary, inappropriate, unprofessional and destructive to the chain of command. Neither Shatner nor Nichols had any problem kissing the other (read both of their autobiographies, not to mention David Gerrold's "The World of Star Trek" among other eyewitness sources) both actors were annoyed that NBC's censors were forcing them to film a version of the scene where they succeeded in resisting the Platonians and DID NOT kiss which ticked both of them off. So much so that they purposely botched EVERY TAKE of the non-kiss version of the scene until the end of the shooting day so that the real kiss would have to be used, Shatner and Nichols were ACTING, @dbzsoa, which is what they were paid to do.

In the mirror universe episode Kirk had an Asian girlfriend who he kissed

@@lb.jansen Thank you !

Thanks Stephen. As a cis gay member of the LGBTQ+ Community, welcome aboard! 🖖😊

When you say you "don't think" like us... what you really mean is you want the freedom to be a bully and be bigoted and we should just "tolerate" it. No.

@@JaceRidley no, I mean I think it's disgusting to cut off healthy body parts as a cure for something. Or that if you don't want to date a man you are a bigot and a homophobe. That it's not okay to just be a normal heterosexual person.

@@shadowgb Like I said. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and you're just a bigot. You don't know or understand science. Nothing is "cut off"... You literally are just repeating propaganda you WANT to believe because you don't like trans people. Your obsession with other people's genitalia meeting YOUR expectations, even though you'll never see their genitals? Is fucking weird. You're really weird for that. Get a real hobby.

A point in favour of Shatner's claim that Chekov being included in TOS in response to a Pravda op-ed is baloney. But then again, maybe a Soviet official visiting a nation where TOS did air caught an episode or two and sold his bosses on the idea of being huffy over future space exploration being American-only 😅

No...but the USSR did have spies all over the US and Canada and pretty much the entire Western world, so they would have seen the show and reported back to Party HQ. "Comrades, the Amerikanskis have television programme about future space ship, and there are no Soviet cosmonauts aboard..."

I disagree. If you hate to fight oppression then you are just a bad as then

It is a simplistic and perhaps even smug message. But also a rather fitting one for the Federation to embrace. Because that is precisely what America itself has a long history of doing overseas. Protecting the status quo while pretending to be evenhanded. For instance the US claimed to detest apartheid in South Africa on moral grounds. All the while continuing to maintain economic, diplomatic, and military relations with that regime. Doing everything in its power to stifle and frustrate black resistance while calling for a negotiated peace.

@@SciFi2285 what evidence do you have

@@nathanbarth6393 It is not exactly a closely guarded secret is it? The TOS episode Assignment: Earth (1968) mentioned the existence of a US airbase in South Africa. Which isn't surprising because SA was an ally of the United States. America objected to the IOC decision to ban SA from the Olympics unless it allowed blacks to participate. There are records of every UN Security Council meeting. You can see for yourself how many times the US and its western allies Britain and France used their veto power to protect the regime. Which is a lot. Including voting against a resolution in 1963 to enforce an oil embargo on SA, watering down another resolution the same year to make an arms embargo voluntary, vetoing a resolution in 1974 to expel SA from the organization, and another in 1977 which would have imposed broad economic sanctions. The US announced that it would respect the UN arms embargo after the Soweto Uprising. But in reality continued to supply SA with arms through third party proxies who weren't in particularly good standing with the UN themselves (e.g. Taiwan, Israel, Chile). You can find exposes of these embargo evasion schemes from Haaretz, The Guardian, Washington Post, IOL, News24, among many other media outlets. I don't even think it is that controversial to admit anymore since almost all of the people involved have passed away. Even the real sanctions imposed by the US Congress at the end of 1986 came with an extra large serving of "Both Sides" fries. Because the sanctions were enacted over the veto of President Ronald Reagan his administration started to go after the ANC and Mandela as communist agitators and terrorists. He signed an executive order proscribing the ANC as a terrorist organization. A provision buried in the 1988 Defense Bill codified this ban. This law remained on the books long after apartheid itself ended. In 2008 Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice expressed "embarrassment" at having to sign special waivers to allow ANC diplomats to legally enter the country. Congress then voted to repeal the ban with the blessing of President George W. Bush.

@@SciFi2285where did you get this information

Yep, much better than writing an entire book about it and then blanking on a live TV interview 🤣

It wasnt an issue for a long time until both sides started making one.

​@@k.t.1641both sides?! You mean whinging whining prejudiced conservatives and far right fascist types

@@ForzaJersey lol Not really. I've met these people, not the Trek fans per se but the other ones. And they don't even understand what they support. For example, claiming to want more fiscally responsible economic policy while not actually supporting fiscally responsible policy. I'm have a Master's in Economics by the way, class of 2023. Or they claim they're against big government, while also supporting sweeping legislation that interferes with personal liberties. Hence, it's not about believing stereotypes. It's about criticing the real cognitive dissonance I come across in work, school, and life in general. Thus, when it comes to Trek, as other ST YTubers have pointed out, Trek conservatives suffer from media illiteracy. Where they see and hear what they want and completely ignore the point that the artist/writer is attempting to convey. This is also why, moving away from Trek for a second. Many conservatives quote George Carlin, thinking that he supported their view. And they couldn't be more wrong, he HATED them. All of them. But even today, they still reference him. And this happens to multiple people, shows, movies, etc. Hence why I stand by my original point that it's massive cognitive dissonance. HOWEVER, to be sure that we're referring to the same thing when I say "Conservatives", let's define it. How do you define U.S. conservatism?

It’s fiction but they simply don’t get its premise, if they don’t like the message then they don’t have to watch.

I find that hilarious.

Surely because the Federation is military?