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In this short series I take a look at Festool’s Domino after 10 or so years of use, and discover that not only is it essentially a free tool, it’s also half the price of one of its competitors. Enjoy!
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@woodmasterguy 5 лет назад

Great video as usual Peter. Domino hit the USA in '06 and it changed my business, no more rabbets, dados, groves or old school M&T for me in my carcass/furniture builds, assembly time is super fast. No more dovetail drawers either, assemble the drawer sides, run through dominos from side of drawer into front of drawer, super strong. I love the Seneca Domiplates on both the 500 & 700 machines. I also removed the pins on the 500 fence, pencils marks for me. To make it even more efficient, one board gets all mortises small width setting, adjoining board gets the second width setting on all mortises, super easy assembly. Seneca also makes a Imperial Thickness gauge if needed. I use CMT bits as well...

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Nice 👍

@lobbylobbster 5 лет назад

You are an inspiration Peter. Thanks for all the effort and hard work you put into these videos. Brilliant 👍🏼

@joescharbrough3120 5 лет назад

Great video. I found when I bought my Domino, years ago, I needed to make several test pieces of various types of connections like joining a panel in the center verse a corner edge. When I messed up it was always because I got confused on the "reference" surface. To this day when laying out parts I mark an "R" on each piece just to get my mind right on the reference. My work is only a hobby, I think if I was doing this daily I could skip the "R". Once again thanks for the good videos.

@extremewoodworker 5 лет назад

Hi Peter. Nice video. I prefer the domino not to be in the center as it helps avoid wrong side out during assembly. If it is 1mm off center, this enables a quick visual check of proper assembly during hectic glue-ups. Steve

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Agree completely Steve - especially the quick visual check for face side. 👍👍

@olivepressdesign 3 года назад

I have to say Peter, the camera angles in your videos (especially this one) are awesome. Every time I think “I could do with a close-up shot”, there you are. You’re a great teacher. Thanks for all the info.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 года назад

Thank you! 👍

@markbryan9989 5 лет назад

For the type of work you do, that tool is indispensable. For the few times I need it, I can use my router table to make the slots and biscuits instead of dominos. I liked the "previously enjoyed" terminology. So much nicer than "used"!

@samrix5793 5 лет назад

After watching your videos I bought a domino machine last year I haven't taken it out the box yet but will assign it after watching this video!!

@markolney5470 5 лет назад

Hi Pete well here goes another year of your very informative videos definitely my favourite RU-vid subscription by far thanks may it never end domino if we could live without it

@haleccles1971 5 лет назад

Great video Peter. I had sleepless nights over the cost before I bought mine! I got it to make 10 oak display tables for a gallery, over 250 joints with the build made over a weekend. Without it i could not of hit the deadline for the project. One of my most loved tools, worth every penny.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

I agree. Never met anyone who bought one and regretted it. 👍👍

@Selkian Месяц назад

Thanks Peter. I just bit the bullet and ‘plunged’ for to Domino. Got a good deal on a new 500 for £580 with just the basic cutter. It will at least get me started.

@10MinuteWorkshop Месяц назад

Nice! I used the basic 5mm cutter for years - and I still do! 👍💪

@johnnyvsx Год назад

Thanks much for the sight-guide calibration mention.

@YTbxg 5 лет назад

I've had the domino since it was first introduced to UK at the 'tools' exhibition where a nice introductory discount was on offer :-). OK its only been for hobby use, but in all this time I did not realise that the width dial should only be turned with the motor on. I just downloaded a manual and its confirmed!!. I doubt if I ever bothered to RTFM in the past. Fortunately no damage to the domino appears to have resulted. I almost did not watch your latest video as I thought it would all be rather old hat to me. But once again your tips and demos prove to be of great value. Looking forward to part 2 to see what else I may have cocked up :-).

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Haha - I didn’t realise it either for years and years, until I read the manual 😂😂. Incidentally I don’t know if you’ve seen it and I stupidly didn’t mention it in the video, but the ‘supplemental manual’ (link in the description) by Rick Christopherson is excellent - so much clearer than the Festool original. 👍👍

@petelowe74 5 лет назад

That’s answered my many questions... decision made, going to get one. Thanks, Peter 👍

@garybarchas4984 5 лет назад

I finally see why people are sold on these. Still can't afford one though. Great video. Keep 'em coming.

@michaelflynn6178 5 лет назад

Just bought a used Domino so timing perfect Thanks Peter

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Ha! Timing is everything, lol! 👍👍😂

@kevinsteer7920 5 лет назад

Simply the best tool I’ve ever purchased.

@chancebeasley6536 5 лет назад

Great video Peter. You showed the workings of the domino brilliantly.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Thanks! 👍👍

@nicowilson 5 лет назад

Great video. Now I understand what all the fuss is about. Thank you.

@jackleg693 5 лет назад

I’ve always wondered how they work. Thank you. Superb video!!

@cobberpete1 5 лет назад

Thanks Pete. I've had mine for four years and it has made my practice of M&T just about extinct. I also make custom Dominoes to fit the Medium and Large hole settings, where one standard is not quite big enough and maybe two doms wont fit. I've noticed your Domie plate and have been looking for one (Australia). I think I could make good use of one. Love the tip about the 1mm packer.

@dermotcullen5263 5 лет назад

So that’s why you’ve been a bit quiet- making a mortise and tenon joint by hand for the last week or so. 😜😜 Great little video Peter as always. 👍👍

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Hey, I’ll have you know that M&T took almost half an hour! Imagine how many Dominos I could have cut in. That time 🤔😂😂👍👍

@winstable1 5 лет назад

I went to my local timber merchants today as the festool rep was setting up their new stand behind the counter. I couldn’t have walked in at a worse time. To paraphrase Darth Vader: ‘You are strong, but your mind is weak.’

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

😂😂I think we’ve all been there. 👍👍

@jewete4741 5 лет назад

I just started and bought the domino straight away now i use it Every single time iam working

@waynebooker498 4 года назад

I've been enjoying mine since 2016. One of my smartest buys.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

I'm fortunate enough to also own the Lamello Zeta, and have used the Mafell Duo-Doweller, and my experiences with them simply reinforces how good the Domino is; flexible, versatile and - not something you get to say lightly - the least expensive of the three. Great machine. 👍

@Badgerworkshop 5 лет назад

One is defiantly on my wish list

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Never met anyone who’s bought one and regretted it Matt 👍👍

@johnmontague69 5 лет назад

Excellent video Peter ☺

@vossievos3040 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for most informative tips u always share,rest well

@Mikey__R Год назад

What a fantastic video! I'm really tempted to pick one of these up. I've always cut my mortice and tenons either by hand or with a router, but the results have never been perfect. I'm not convinced dowels are an exact alternative, and router templates are fine for a few joints but get old quickly.

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Thanks! Go for it! 👍

@mikeuk1954 5 лет назад

Interesting video Peter. Thanks. That's one machine on my wish list. 😁

@raysmith1992 5 лет назад

Thanks this maybe on my wish list

@MoscaWoodworking 5 лет назад

nice video Peter. if I can share my experience, I had problems with the fence not being at 90°. The trick is to always adjust the height of the fence AT FIRST and only then put the fence to 90°. at least, this worked for me

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Thanks. Interesting re the fence - can’t imagine why that would make a difference, but if it works, it works! 👍👍

@raymondmalone9721 5 лет назад

informative video, tool for the grail wish list

@ThePhilandPam 5 лет назад

Not something I’m likely to need but really interesting nonetheless, thanks for sharing 👍

@resultcarpentry5869 5 лет назад

Domi-Plate made 👌🏼 works perfectly- Cheers for the info needed Peter 💡😁

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Sweet 👌👌

@SBTDesigndotcodotuk 5 лет назад

Great video as always Peter. I was just looking up when I got mine as it needs some attention due to wear on the plunge rod thingies. Got mine in 2009 and it was my first Festool purchase when I started up on my own. Like you, together with the TS55 it's been used on every job and I think they are revolutionary. I also bought the XL700 when that came out and sold my morticer.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Thanks Steve! Yes, whatever else I may get, I think I’ll always have a Domino! Can’t believe how many people, even now, still think it’s ‘just like a biscuit jointer’ 🙄👍👍

@whitedoggarage 5 лет назад

What an interesting piece of technology. Neil Pask (Pask Makes) made his own, so I had a loose understanding of how they work, but seeing your video and your guide to setup has filled in a lot of blanks for me. Thanks Peter.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Cheers Bob. Yes, I saw Neil’s videos - quite a project!

@jschwartzlow 5 лет назад

Thank you Peter. This intro is well done, but as a new owner of a domino, I hope to gain from your insights as a 10 year user. When do you change domino sizes and why? Do dominos in MDF require screws too? Domino drawers worth making or a just a justification to use the tool in an ad? Basically I'm asking for the 10 year insights one can't get from a manual or other domino videos. Thanks for all you do. You do it well.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Thanks John. This short series is really just an introduction or (re-introduction) to the machine and it’s capabilities, rather than its actual use. Also, for much of what you ask, many answers would start “it depends...” lol, and with so many variables the chances of covering enough at sufficient detail within a ~10minute video gets pretty slim. Depending on the relative success of theses videos (Part 2 out tomorrow) I do plan a ‘best practice’ type of video, but not immediately. To answer your questions as best I can, you change Domino sizes depending on the thickness of the material and the strength is the joint required. Dominos in MDF don’t always require screws, but if not visible then screws are a very quick -and cheap - way to ‘clamp’ a joint while the glue dries. And solo-drawers are absolutely worthwhile - they look great and are so easy to do! Hope that helps, P

@z1boise 5 лет назад

Download the Domino Supplemental Manual here: www.festoolusa.com/service/owners-manuals

@frankblack1481 5 лет назад

I’m quite impressed that you did such a neat mortise & tenon. Paul Sellers will be looking over his shoulder.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Haha, that’s unlikely, but thanks Frank!

@markharris5771 5 лет назад

I think being a newbie I rushed in and bought the wrong thing and bought a biscuit joiner to give my A2 photograph frames' mitre joints strength. I've since been told, rightly are wrongly, that the biscuit joiner is only for when you are attaching two pieces of wood perpendicular to each other and I should have bought a Domino. A very interesting video, thank you.

@bighands69 5 лет назад

+Mark Harris Do not underestimate biscuit joints. There are many different variations from metal to wood biscuits. Use Biscuits with pocket hole screws and you will gain a powerful joint.

@markharris5771 5 лет назад

bighands69 Thanks,I'll try that.

@petercutler6302 5 лет назад

Great Video Peter, thankyou.

@andrewbeatty3713 4 года назад

Very useful

@handyjim 5 лет назад

nice one peter very well explained

@philenglish3931 5 лет назад

You need to get your world record application in. As I write you have a video with Festool in the title,2k views and 69 comments and, as yet, nobody has called anyone a fanboy or poor or an idiot. I think the previous record stands at 3 comments. Good video. I am way off a level where I'd appreciate Festool over my regular tools but the domino would likely be my first purchase.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Haha, well, there’s still plenty of time, lol! I’m impressed how calm it all is so far though - must be my calm and measured delivery 😂👍👍

@andrewroberts6158 5 лет назад

Great video Peter thanks 👌🏻

@edwardford3649 4 года назад

Hello Peter, great video as usual. I wondered if you had a suggestion for a DIYer / lower cost jointing method? A jig that maybe fits in the £20-40 cost bracket? Obviously less accurate and slower but much more accessible for someone making a few cabinets, book shelf etc?

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

At that kind of budget I’d look at a dowel jig, or a pocket-hole jig perhaps, if you’re sure you can hide the fixings. Both work very well, if a little more slowly. 👍👍

@resultcarpentry5869 5 лет назад

Lovely stuff Peter, Only found out about the Domiplate last night on Half " Shy's channel, tried ordering but all out of stock... Made my own this morning from Birch ply.... see how that goes... More on the Domino please Peter... loving it... kinda knew this was on it's way from (Patreon-Measuring Up) ;-) Much enjoyment - looking fwd to your JOB prep and wrap up tips / routine (where most work time is lost IMHO

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Thanks Gary! Yes, Seneca make the Domi-plate in batches, I guess they sold a lot for Christmas! Plenty more to do on the Domino, I just want to see how this short introduction series goes down first. 👍👍

@jimtomlinsom1279 5 лет назад

Fantastic video. I think I might take the plunge, both metophroricly and physically. Just need to re mortgage the house now.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Thanks! Looking on the bright side, despite the initial purchase price it's essentially a free tool if you keep it for long enough! Also, don't know anyone who"s bought one and regretted it. 👍

@jimblack2331 5 лет назад

Awesome video Peter and very well timed for me after buying this very machine. Thanks for the tips. 👍

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Cheers Jim. More to come...

@jackoneil4164 3 года назад

Here's me hoping Lidl will make their own domino machine.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 года назад

I think it may be a while, lol! But never say never! 👍

@troyboy4345 5 лет назад

Really enjoyed watching this …. but way beyond my needs and budget, just like browsing the Bentley motors website, nice but not needed.

@normanboyes4983 5 лет назад

Good vid but for me the tool remains ‘aspirational’ -- for now. 😉 Just as the TS55 was.

@dennisbinyon9023 5 лет назад

gday Peter, nice review I got the XL Domino soon after its release and it revolutionised my business(small hardwood folding chairs), i also went to Seneca but for the bit extension to allow the use of smaller cutters since then it has cut over 100000 mortises probably closer to 200000 maybe more (don’t really want to know) without missing a beat. In fact i’m about to head into my factory and cut a thousand or so today. With the use of jigs I can lock the Domino in it’s plunged mode and offer up the pieces of timber very quickly easily and accurately. cheers from the poor cricket nation of Oz

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Hi Dennis. Sounds amazing - can’t begin to imagine how many dominos I’ve cut with mine. But whatever - like yours, it’s transformed my business. Have a great day! 👍👍

@peterfitzpatrick7032 5 лет назад

Pete...I like the Festool Mahjong myself 😏 👍😎☘

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

😂😂👍👍

@mattkindon2917 5 лет назад

Hi Peter, Just wondering if you have ever considered painting full boards before you cut them down, rather than leaving the 'domino glue strip' unpainted each time? I'm assuming it makes a difference to the strength of the joint, but just thought I'd ask! Would save so much work painting if you could do this! Also, just watched your latest quarterly review and want to say thanks for the great videos, and try not to worry about the moaners too much! Remember, most people happily enjoying your videos don't comment :-) Your ever growing subscriber list proves that! Cheers, Matt

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Thanks Matt. Short answer - no; most of the cutting is done by my timber yard, so it's not a practical option, though I've often wondered why MDF isn't available pre-primed, as it almost always ends up painted. Then again, I know plenty of painters who are fussy about their primers, so maybe it's a non-starter. Even without the timber yard doing most of the cutting, though, you'd have to factor in time taken to prime, not to mention the physical space required to paint, dry, store, etc... 👍👍

@mattkindon2917 5 лет назад

@@10MinuteWorkshopI see what you mean. I find it really fiddly trying to keep glue lines clean with bookcases/carcasses etc on the faces so thought you might find this frustrating too... probably sounds lazy of me but if the paint doesn't actually weaken the joint (to a notable difference) I just wonder if it's worth leaving it unpainted! Thanks. Matt

@theislandworkshop8453 5 лет назад

Technical term = waggle, I love it another great vid

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Haha, thanks! 👍👍

@CasualDIY 5 лет назад

Great video Peter. It's one of those tools I would love to have but can't justify the cost. I'm just a weekend warrior so it wouldn't pay itself off in a reasonable time scale. But you never know maybe one day.... let me know when you buying a new one I buy back your old one ;)

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Thanks Tomasz! Haha- I’ll keep you posted, lol! I get into the price/value a little in Part 2, but for me it’s essentially a free tool when you take residual values into account, and delivers spectacular long-term value as a business proposition. 👍👍

@CasualDIY 5 лет назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop Yes exactly if I was a full time carpenter or cabinet maker then it's a no brainer and an essential tool.

@jparson3309 3 года назад

Thank you for your videos very informative I was trying to decide metric or imperial when purchasing the Domiplate. Imperial it will be.

@alekznial Год назад

Great video! Do you know which years the plate shifting problem occurred on?

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Thanks! It was a reported issue in some of the very early models, so 2005/6 around there.

@priestland1 5 лет назад

Interesting and well put together video, shame it had to end after 10 minutes. Might have to rename channel 20 minute workshop. Ah relieved to see this was part 1, phew.

@microdoulo2250 Год назад

how center the domino 18mm plywood?

@mururoa7024 5 лет назад

I use the domiplate too (in metric!) and my only regret is to not have bought it sooner.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Mine too! I ‘made do’ with my DIY plywood one for ages, but the real deal is so nicely made and works so well, I wish I’d had it all along. 👍👍

@scarborough_ken 5 лет назад

Thanks for sharing this Peter but as a hobby woodworker I have to ask why is a domino joiner better than a biscuit joiner as it seems to do pretty much the same thing? I can see that the dominos provide a bigger gluing surface but isn't that compromised by the thinner material surrounding the slot, especially in 18mm stock? Maybe I should wait for Part2? Best Regards.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Thanks Ken. I think we had all the biscuits vs Dominos arguments about 12 years ago, but in short; biscuits are thin (you can snap them with your fingers) and rely on the adhesive to make them swell to make a right fit. They’re fine for alignment, but don’t really form a structural joint. Dominos / loose tenons are much stronger, and because of the wide range of sizes (from 4x20mm to 10x50mm) they’re suitable for all kinds of smaller joinery tasks (eg rails) where the physical size of a biscuit makes them unsuitable. HTH, P 👍👍

@scarborough_ken 5 лет назад

Thanks for taking the time to reply Peter. Makes sense. Much appreciated.

@byronservies4043 5 лет назад

I do not recall my Domino manual recommending having the tool running to change the width. I will have to double check.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

I don’t make these statements lightly. But yes, please do double-check. Link to the excellent Supplememtal Manual by Rick Christopherson in the video decription, btw. 👍👍

@Blobjonblob 5 лет назад

I'm torn between this or the new Mafel duo doweler you showed us, discisions dicisions.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Tough call. I know a couple of guys who’ve sold their Dominos and bought the doweller, as for the work they do - mostly carcass construction in MFC - it works well and you have the option of cheap 8mm dowels and KD fittings. But - and this is hearsay, haven’t used one personally - there’s a learning curve to it, and it’s much happier in MFC than in MDF, for some reason. Hope to get my hands on one before too long. 👍👍

@Blobjonblob 5 лет назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop Yes both have their pros and cons for sure.

@henrikbakheyde 5 лет назад

@@Blobjonblob I guess both have only pros if it was not for their pricetag 🤣

@ek9772 4 года назад

I appreciate the detailed introduction to the Domino. Do you have any comments on whether the Domino is suitable for large outside porch post and beam joinery?

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 года назад

Not this a domino I wouldn’t have thought, but that’s very much in the remit of the larger Domino XL 👍

@andrewmarnell5315 5 лет назад

Thanks for sharing. You said that the Domino enabled you to far more than you would have been able to do otherwise, is that from a technical or time aspect or both? If technical in what way?

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Both. I bought mine on the back of one job - to make a (small) pair of French doors for a conservatory. I wouldn’t have attempted that without the Domino, though with the benefit of hindsight I probably could have used through dowels just as easily. But that was ~11 years or so ago, back when I was still doing handyman type work, with only a few years of experience in the carpentry side of things. The Domino made it so much easier, and so much faster. 👍👍

@andrewmarnell5315 5 лет назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks Peter, I'm assuming it's now more speed these days.

@thegreenman4898 5 лет назад

one of the two tools festool makes that justifies its price tag, the other being the tracksaw, the speed of production compared to tenoning jigs, morticing machines, and the ability to take it onsite to a job and use it makes it worthwhile. .......but what a pricetag....

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

I talk a bit more about the costs in today’s Part 2, but the Domino delivers extraordinary value, and is half the price of one of its main rivals (Lamello Zeta P2) and a couple of hundred pounds cheaper than the other (Mafell DDF40). 👍👍

@thegreenman4898 5 лет назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop plus it can join small peices where you are restricted by biscuit size if you go the lamello route, im sure their "biscuits" work out pricier than a domino system, the cutters would certainly be more, and im not really a fan of dowels

@WinoSnip 3 года назад

Dear Peter, did you know that the pins on the early Dominos (mine has 2006 on it - it has pins) had to be swapped for those peddles - or how did you call them - because Mafell had a patent on those pins - used for the DD 40 and DDF40? I bought a Domino router after having worked years with a Lamello classic. Now I am combining those actually - for economical reasons actually. Got loads of Biscuits in boxes... The physical strength of the Dominos compared to the strength of the Lamello biscuits has been, and is, an important parameter for me when choosing for the one or the other. Anyway - very interesting again to hear what you had to say (2 years ago).

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 года назад

Yes - Festool have always denied it was anything to do with patents, but it’s pretty clear when you see them together! And yes, mine is also an early one with pins, not paddles. 👍👍

@WinoSnip 3 года назад

That to me is a strange thing - when communicating directly with Festool or Mafell, I quite often sense that not all is being told. They will have good reasons for it, but it somehow, for me, does not easily line up with “we take our customers serious”. I rather hear a “sorry, we decided not to comment on that topic” than some made up explanation where in between the line you clearly read that it’s a sales pitch and not an open communication with a loyal yearlong customer with loads of experiences with their tools. Anyway, I had some very nice chats as well with Festool and Mafell and they really helped me out in a fantastic way with some problems. Maybe they keep a history of client contacts - that might explain a bit of it.

@Mrfreezeee1 5 лет назад

I am the Dominator ,Come with me if you want to....have a strong and lasting joint ,i dont think that how that goes Peter but it was worth a shot ,one question are the newer models built the same way or did they fix the imperfections so if someone went out and bought one would they stil need to buy an aftermarket fence

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

No, they sorted it out very early on, and tbh Syd with the benefit of hindsight, I think some of my early issues were of my own making ie inexperience and poor technique. All good now 👍👍

@Mrfreezeee1 5 лет назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop did the same with a biscuit joiner its all about the reference huh,42 years ohh your age is getting out there ,must have been back when you used the "table-saw" that was powered by a team of mules walking in a circle ,must have been heck getting them into the van ...lol

@hansdegroot8549 5 лет назад

@@Mrfreezeee1 If I understood well from his previous videos, he went to secondary school to become a woodworker/cabinet maker. Then he switched to photography and "only" 18 years ago he returned to his first interest.

@Mrfreezeee1 5 лет назад

@@hansdegroot8549 listen to his video he says first one in 42 years ,2;30 something i believe ,i do know i do enjoy his videos and comments,now if we can just get him to flash imperial sizes on screen we can take over the world ...lol

@tcbridges 2 года назад

I just bought the 500 and use the Senica plate also and how that I have it I am wondering if I made a mistake and should of bought the700.. You use both

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 года назад

No, I only have the 500 - works great for cabinet work, and small joinery. The 700 is better for making larger projects - full size doors, bed frames etc… and the connect connectors for the 700 are much better, if that’s something you need. 👍👍

@johngaffney1671 5 лет назад

Peter, i see you are a big Festool fan. In Australia the tracksaw is circa 560 GB vs a UK price of say 420 GB. There drills and drivers are also very expensive . Any idea why the huge price differential. In Australia they are pretty much priced out of the market.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

No idea at all I’m afraid. We could speculate about high import duties (are other brands priced significantly higher in Oz than elsewhere?) or the size of the market (fewer potential buyers over a larger area means higher prices) or it could just be Festool charging what they think the market will bear. 🤷‍♂️ Also, by all means call me a ‘fan’ but I bought the tracksaw as it was the only game in town at the time, and then the extractor because it made perfect sense; I’ve continued to pay the premium for their tools as there’s a solid business case to be made for both the systematic approach they take, and the high residual values. I still own the vast majority of the Festool tools I’ve ever bought - including the original saw and extractor - and were I to sell them, I would probably recoup most of their original purchase price, even after over a decade of daily professional use. Not many tools you can say that about. 👍👍

@johngaffney1671 5 лет назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks for the reply. I've heard you comment on the Domino resale potential and it makes sense. It probably is a case of looking after a bigger market and slugging smaller markets for whatever they can. I've just discovered your channel and am now a committed fan. Your delivery and way of imparting technique is a real plus ! Keep it up.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Thanks John, and welcome! Lots more to come... 👍👍

@raymondstanger2985 5 лет назад

Great accurate machines, time savers, but as per festool tools expensive.... but quality

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

I talk a little about the money in Part 2, out tomorrow, but as I say in the video description, they are incredibly good value when you factor in the residuals - free, essentially - and cheaper than any of its competitors - half the price, in one case. 👍👍

@MrUmy786 5 лет назад

Hi Peter. Is it possible for the domino to make angle mortises? I know the fence can be adjusted to dictate what vertical angle the domino make but what if you want a create straight mortise onto an angled workpiece

@MrUmy786 5 лет назад

Just re-read my comment & I've probably not explained myself properly!

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

If I've understood properly, then no; domino mortices are always perpendicular to the face of the machine. You can alter the height and the angle of the fence, to put dominos into the flat face of a bevel or mitre, for example, but you can't skew the angle of the mortice in relation to the face, no.

@MrUmy786 5 лет назад

Peter Millard Somehow I knew you'd understand what I was getting at! Ah rats, that's a shame! I have an 45° workpiece with which I want to put some dominos but I wanted the angle of the dominos straight as opposed to referencing off of the 45° cut. Back to the drawing board I guess! Would it be possible to remove the fence and create almost a 'fake fence' for the domino to reference off of to create the angle?

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Only way to do that would be to make the domino mortices, then make the bevel cut, unless you're very handy with engineering - the whole fence assembly comes away from the body of the machine for bit changes etc... so I guess it'd be possible to make something that would fit, but well beyond my level of tinkering. 👍

@olivepressdesign 3 года назад

❤️ your videos Peter. Can you comment on the differences between the Domino and a Doweling Jig?

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 года назад

Thanks! If you mean the Mafell doweller, then video 360 is the one for you; Domino, doweller or Zeta - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-m78BZHu-uuA.html. If you mean a regular dowel jig with a drill and bits and everything, then, it’s a different animal really. Domino is way more expensive, but very easy to use, a dowel jig is a tiny fraction of the price, but much more involved. I have some videos coming about different methods of joining material together, so keep your eyes out for those. 👍👍

@olivepressdesign 3 года назад

Yes, I’m referring to something more manual, but much less expensive, like a Jessem Doweling Jig or a Dowelmax. Looking fwd to the video !!!

@leorumley8132 5 лет назад

Really interesting Peter, i cant justify buying one, but im sure if i see a preloved one I might be tempted. This might be a daft question but what is the difference between a domino and a biscuit joiner.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Dominos/loose tenons make a much stronger, structural joint, whilst being physically smaller, so can be used for a wider range of applications. Lots of vids on RU-vid comparing dominos to biscuits. If you do a search. 👍👍

@RobKernahan 5 лет назад

Hi Peter, nice work as usual. As a new Domino user myself the most trouble I had was keeping track of which reference surface I was working from resulting in misalignment's. Do you have a recommended practise when doing cabinet carcases as an example. Cheers

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Hi Rob, and thanks! I’ll be doing a bit mire in the Domino usage (at her than the tool operation) in a later video, but the traditional practice of marking the face side and edge works well. 👍👍

@RobKernahan 5 лет назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks m8, look forward to it.

@dirkderumeaux2823 5 лет назад

thank u very much Peter. this video kost me arround 1000€ ;-)

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

😆 But you’ll get it back any time you decide to sell... 👍👍

@buckeyewoodshop 5 лет назад

I would love to have one but the price is prohibitive. $1000 -$1500 here in the USA depending on model. I didn't pay that much for my table saw, and without my table saw I'm pretty much out of woodworking...I couldn't say that for the Domino.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Yep, $1000 US is about the same as we pay here, about £700, for the smaller model. I ‘worked wood’ for a living for 14 years before I bought a table saw. It’s occasionally handy for some things, but it would be the first thing I got rid of if I really needed the space. Different strokes, eh?? 👍👍

@diowk 5 лет назад

i want that thing sooooooooooo bad. cant really find them used because once you have it, you're not gonna want to sell it

@daniellyne1 5 лет назад

Awesome video thank you for taking the time to explain this fantastic tool thinking of buying one for myself now would would you recommend any supplier and if so why bearing in mind I now live in Wales originally from Putney

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

No supplier in particular, and I think prices are pretty stable within a few quid either way, so I’d go for somewhere as local as possible just in case you hit any snags. Axminster we’re doing some good deals over Christmas👍👍.

@krisruchomski9294 5 лет назад

When buying one today would you prefer Mafell's doweller instead of the Domino? Cost of machine is roughly the same but the dowels are cheaper and available everywhere

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

If I was starting out now the new Doweller (DDF40) ticks a lot of boxes, though as it’s a couple of hundred quid more than the Domino, I’d probably bite the bullet and go for the Lamello Zeta P2.

@krisruchomski9294 5 лет назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop DDF40 is slightly more expensive but from what I understand you can use all the sizes of the bits in one machine VS Festool which has 2 machines depending on the size of domino you want to use. So you're saving there. Lamello looks ok but the joints are weak. Look for reviews and you will see what I mean. What would be useful to you is that you can dissasemble the joints but you could do the same with the specialist dowels on the Mafell. What you would miss on both Lamello and Mafell is the power cord attachment system though. Just my 2 pence

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

No, the Mafell has several versions - the new one (DDF40) only has a 40mm plunge and max of 12mm bits. The 40mm plunge is a headache because most useful KD fittings (eg hafele) are 60mm long, so if you use them in 18mm board you need 15mm/45mm plunge. But as max plunge is 40mm, you need to finish it off with a drill. 🤷‍♂️ There’s more, but long story short, the Mafell looks great on paper, but hits a few bumps along the road, in use; a pal of mine sold his Domino to buy the Doweller as it ticked all of boxes, but he’s since returned it and bought a new Domino...

@krisruchomski9294 5 лет назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop that's some very useful info there Peter, thanks very much

@hansdegroot8549 5 лет назад

Due to small health inconveniences I'm bound to be at home (and even though my workshop is in our house as well, I can't work there now) so I spend a lot time on the internet and I finally have time to listen to the podcasts you made with Andy Logically(?) I started with the newest one and I'm "working" my way down to the first ones (nr. 1 and 2 I listened to last year) Now I'm listening to episode018 which also covers a part of the problem of how (un)healthy and (not) dangerous MDF is.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Interesting; logically, I’d start at the beginning... 🤔👍

@hansdegroot8549 5 лет назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop I'll follow your advice, so after the 17th episode , which I'm listening now to) I'll switch to 3.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Good plan Hans. And I hope you’re on the mend soon 👍👍

@hansdegroot8549 5 лет назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks.

@straylightc4b 5 лет назад

The sainted Norm was a fan of biscuits, is there much difference between biscuits and dominoes, with regard to performance ?

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Dominos - or any loose tenons tbh - are generally tighter, can be much more precise, and make a stronger structural joint. 👍👍

@Hemmings-qd6hg 5 лет назад

I don't think biscuits are really structural while dominoes are. There are numerous videos comparing the strength of various types of joints. These will answer your question more deeply.

@frankblack1481 5 лет назад

Interesting video. It would be interesting to hear how reliable it has been for you over the ten yrs. Any breakdowns? I mean the Domino... not the operator 🤒

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Absolutely 100% reliable. I even have the original 5mm bit which still cuts really well - astonishing considering how many mortises it must have cut. Have to say, now you mention it Frank, I haven’t had a single Festool failure apart from my original saw that died after 11 years of hard use, but was easily resurrected (brushes). 👍👍

@frankblack1481 5 лет назад

Peter Millard The recent Graco-centric debacle goes to highlight how impressive the Festool reliability has been. That, alone, is worth some amount of the price premium.

@amiddled 5 лет назад

07:10 - Had mine for a couple of years now and I didn't even realise that - whoops...

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Had mine for a few years before I read the manual and realised that as well, lol! Doesn’t seem to have done any harm, but you never know! 🤔 🤷‍♂️

@hansdegroot8549 5 лет назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop I think woodworkers who do read manuals before they start using a tool are as rare as cars with the steering wheel at the right side on the European continent.

@richarddalton7085 5 лет назад

Really enjoying your videos as always Peter. I’ll be making my transition at the end of this year from the marines back into my old life of carpentry after a 5 year stint. I still have nearly all my tools and slowly purchasing. This along with only about 6 other (not even luxury) are on my list to buy which is currently standing at 4.4k 😂🤷🏼‍♂️ any advice?

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Thanks Richard! Best advice would be to listen to my podcast (if you haven’t already) with Andy Mac of Gosforth Handyman. Measuring Up Podcast - link in the video description. We talk about all aspects of running a one-man-band carpentry and cabinetmaking business. I’d also be curious to hear what else is in your £4.4k list, if you feel like sharing?? 👍👍

@richarddalton7085 5 лет назад

Peter Millard thanks for getting back to me! I’ve listened to a few of the podcasts now - also really enjoy them! So the list is as follows - updating tired tools and enablers - cordless circular saw, cordless SDS, cordless trim router, portable (but not cordless) table saw, 1st and 2nd fix nail guns and a cordless planer. I was also thinking biscuit jointer but if I get a domino then there will be no need for it. Although the biscuit may be a cheaper starter.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Ah, OK - looks like you’re heading more for the carpentry/construction side of things? Good list - my only comment would be re the circular saw - maybe consider a tracksaw alternative? Depends on the depth of cut you expect to to need. Hope it goes well! 👍👍

@richarddalton7085 5 лет назад

I’ve got a tracksaw which has definitely revolutionised the way I work but feel there will still be a place for the circular saw also. Want to stay off the sites if possible because in my opinion they are full of unmotivated individuals that lack pride in their work. I quite enjoy doing the carpentry to do with renovations and extensions but I would also like to get more into the line of work you do. I’ve done a few built-ins and alcove units (nothing to your standard mind) just need a space where I can make off site because there’s nothing worse than doing it at the customers house. Thanks for your well wishes

@benchippy8039 5 лет назад

Do you never make your own dominos? I know the cost of them is factored into your quote but they are expensive!

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

I talk a little about the costs in Part 2, but most of the time no, I just buy them. I’ve made some when I need an oddball size but the time/effort involved I’d rather spend my time making things I want, rather than things I need. 👍👍

@benchippy8039 5 лет назад

Peter Millard spoken with wisdom!

@alanlloyd7208 5 лет назад

Very surprised other manufacturers haven’t started to produce similar machines yet, guessing Festool still have it looked up in patents. Be interesting to know when the patent expires (if this is the case) and how soon after that date we’ll see rivals appear on the market.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Yes, almost certainly patent-related. I think European patents are 20 years, so don’t hold your breath!

@alanlloyd7208 5 лет назад

Few years off cheapy copies then!

@hansdegroot8549 5 лет назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop In some countries that "copy-paste" anything, patented or not.

@richardbmw320 5 лет назад

Looks like a great bit of kit, but you need to be earning off of it to justify the price tag

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

I know what you mean, but honestly, for every message or comment I get saying how expensive it is, I get another from a keen hobby woodworker who has one and loves it because they only get so much time in the workshop and really appreciate how much it speeds things up. 🤷‍♂️

@LDhusky 5 лет назад

👍👍

@JAMikdiena 5 лет назад

Why are dominos better than dowels?

@MRMANTLE427 5 лет назад

JAMikdiena it give more glue surfaces and helps to Aline Better more than the dowel

@brenttaylor4785 5 лет назад

They don't twist in a single point use, like spindles in a railings applications and the ease of size differences.

@peli71 5 лет назад

I've been using both Domino and previously dowels. (For me) the Domino is a more precise, reproducable and faster way of using loose tenons. Relative downside: it's more expensive

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Dual-dowels OTOH have a lot of the benefits of a Domino at a cheaper price. You just need more time, or a more expensive machine. More on that tomorrow in Part 2 👍👍

@JAMikdiena 5 лет назад

What if you use two dowels nearby like 20mm apart from each other. instead of one domino? Their alignment and glue surface will be aprox the same as dominos. No one ever use one domino when gluing up the boards. Usually multiple and in such scenarios i can't see the benefits over dowels. Of course in in the production it seems cost effective to get a particular tool for such job, but from the alignment and glue force standpoint does it ?

@marcinjar8566 5 лет назад

Are you 42yo Peter?

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Haha, no, I’m 58. Left school at 16, so 42 years since I last hand-cut an M&T.

@marcinjar8566 5 лет назад

Sorry that I’ve asked you. I was just courious.

@hansdegroot8549 5 лет назад

Very interesting video. And I don't even have a Festool Domino machine and I'll probably never (say never) have one.Thanks for sharing. I subscribed about one year ago to your channel because I was looking for a RU-vid video about a problem with my band saw. It turned out you had the same one (that time). I subscribed and learned so many things since then. You are a great teacher. I know that you are mostly working with MDF, which is not the most healthy material in the wood working world, it seems. Last week I ran into this video, made by an Australian RU-vidr which was very interesting. (how to make a MFT) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Xi9raT8gyEE.html In one of the comments he was asked about the "helmet" he wore and as he reply he explained how dangerous MDF is, when you saw, drill or router it. About the saw dust I knew but the formaldehyde in the glue was a surprise for me. I have read some reports about it, two years ago. One was in German, very extensive and very technical. The other was in English, an excerpt of the German original. Less extensive but still very technical. Maybe you can, one day, explain in normal words, how dangerous (or not so) is working with MDF and what to do minimize the risk of health damage. If you did such a video already in the past, or you know another video made by somebody else, maybe you can put a link.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Thanks Hans! I have a ‘what’s the fuss about MDF’ video planned, yes. IMO the link between formaldehyde and MDF has been massively overstated - here’s a link to the UK Health & Safety advisory on MDF:- bit.ly/MDF_FAQ. In short, if you’re buying branded boards made in the EU it will be a ‘low emission’ board. But - and here’s the money quote:- “The most common binder for boards intended for dry environments is urea-formaldehyde. Other binders may be used depending on the grade of board and its intended end-use. For example, melamine urea-formaldehyde, phenolic resins and polymeric diphenylmethane diisocyanate (PMDI) are generally used in boards that require an improved moisture resistance. PMDI binder is not formaldehyde-based and consequently does not emit any formaldehyde.” Formaldehyde is used as the binding agent in boards intended for dry environments. Moisture resistant boards use a different binder (PMDI) so are formaldehyde free. 👍👍

@food-roger.eijkhoudt7049 5 лет назад

Well hold on peter, since about 14 years ago formaldehyde has been proven carcinogenic and the exposure level Typically needs to be below 1.5 ppm (varies somewhat from country to country). It has a probability of causing cancer in the nose. It seems to me that a lot of furniture (particle board and mdf) from the past was made with urea.formaldehyde. A very good reason to continuously ventilate your home! Formaldehyde exposure in the home to me is a not well-known issue. Also, you mentioned MDI: MDI/isocyanate seems on the suspect list on the European Union today as well. It is also used in foams and materials used in that mattress you sleep on every night :-) and in isolation materials... If you know a good industrial hygienist he/she could help you in prepping the video. It is one of my areas of expertise in my professional life. But hey, like you I am a very busy man :-). Great video btw, learnt something new about my domino!

@hansdegroot8549 5 лет назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks for the link. I read the report and it's quite understandable.

@stevieswoodandthings3329 5 лет назад

Yet another Festool plug with no reference whatsoever to any alternatives for poor people. You didn’t mention biscuit jointers once and whilst it could be argued that they aren’t as strong as a domino they work on a similar principal not only providing strength through the biscuit but also increasing the surface area of the glue spread which in turn is stronger than the wood in most cases. This channel is starting to resemble a Festool advertising channel.

@10MinuteWorkshop 5 лет назад

Never seen a Festool advertising channel - is it any good? Got a link? As for biscuit jointers - did you see the title? “10 Years of Domino” - where would biscuit jointers fit into that? Oh, and you realise this is Part 1 of 2, right?? 👍👍

@stevieswoodandthings3329 5 лет назад

Just surprised you didn’t give alternatives. I suppose it depends on what audience you are aiming at and whether it’s a tool review rather than a skills aide. Good quality vid though.

@hansdegroot8549 5 лет назад

I don't have either of the tools. But what I've understood from videos is that biscuits are really like biscuits you can break them with your fingers. I can't image how there can be a real strong joint from that. I think that dowels are stronger than biscuits.

@stevieswoodandthings3329 5 лет назад

Hans de Groot they have strength as they are made from hardwood, normally beech and whilst not as strong as dominos they are a very firm fit and increase the surface area for glue ensuring the two surfaces are joined flat. You can also pick up a machine brand new for £50 rather than Festool which cost many many hundreds of £

@hansdegroot8549 5 лет назад

@@stevieswoodandthings3329 Just watch this video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7GTbnJrXlaI.html and also watch part two of Peter Millard's series (maybe in reverse order) In short: biscuits are merely only for aligning and dominos are for aligning + strength.