Season 2 is criminally underrated. Opened up a world unfamiliar to most and incredible characters like Frank and great arcs. Frank is so convincing: "you think it's for me!"
I was watching that thinking the same thing. The characters, the story and how it meshed with season one and tied into the rest of the series. It was a great season.
The actor that played Frank (Chris Bauer) was 36 years old during filming of season 2! He’s a great actor, but he was born with a face about twice his age.
Only a girl would comment on such meaningless things while facing the best show of history. He looks 70's to you ? Idiot. You think you look good yourself ? How old are you huh ? Grown adult and still commenting on people's physique, didn't anyone teach you that kind of behaviour doesn't even belong in the kindergaten ? Remove your make up and let's see how you loook, Frank didn't wear any to look younger. You look pretty old yourself even with makeup but you seem proud somehow to plaster your face on RU-vid. Unbelievable.
This scene really encapsulated Frank. Prideful, emotional, and ready to get into anyone's face for the sake of the port and his union. But when push came to shove, he had a weak hand to play and he knew it.
When The Wire ends it's easy to forget season 2 even happened. But Frank Sobotka was one of the show's best character. Right up there with guys like Prop Joe or Snoop.
Nothing redeeming bout Snoop but he a cold ass enforcer. Young mike capped her ass and she aint even saw it comin even tho they the one schooled him. 'Come there early'
Season 2 was surprisingly heartbreaking for me to watch. I grew up pretty much what you'd see un seasons 1, 4 5 and etc. But when i watched season 2 for a second time, i started noticing how fd up the situations were for these people. No way out, almost.
This scene is the perfect portrayal of season 2. Nick is ambitious, but doesn’t know the game. He doesn’t know why he is in that spot, therefore he doesn’t respect it. Frank knows the harbor better than anyone, knows how to keep the game going and is doing it for the right reasons. He knows which pockets to line, but he is losing his position because of greedy people (Nick and Ziggy) and corrupt politicians. He’s rightfully pissed because Nick and Zig are making back deals with the Greeks and Prop Joe, which could ruin the whole thing.
This season really grew on me. I didn't bother watching it again after the first time through. But when I bought the blu ray pack I was on repeat for this seaon. The docks was an interesting chapter in the wire.
Season 2 is sooo underrated. I get it it's not most people's favorite season (I personally think 4 is the best) but it's still a complete *masterpiece* of television
"We ain't back in the day, Nicky" "There is no back in the day, nigga" They are spoken pretty similarly, and they both illustrate how each generation has it continually worse than the last.
Season 2 and 4 are the most hated, I think because to some extent they are the most relatable and depressing. Most people aren't drug dealers, addicts, gang members, police, or corrupt politicians. Season 2 focused on how the working class, low education jobs that can provide a decent living are dying out and show no signs of returning. Theses guys don't want to work at McDonald's for minimum wage. And also realistically they won't become computer programmers. So they are desperate to extend out their livelihoods another generation. But deep down they see the writing on the wall, but have no ability to stop it. They focused on a white polish family, but there are many blacks and Latinos in this position. Season 4 showed that the next generation of the inner city will be just as bad. Poor schools, lack of positive role models, lack of opportunities, etc. Most of those kids will never get out.
dafuq are you talking about. Season 4 is considered the greatest single season of any series in TV history. Season 2 is always considered underrated by almost everyone.
@Captain Cookbook I agree. The show felt like it could have ended with Season 4, but they decided to do one more and had to come up with *something* to build one last season around.
Jesus, look how thin those pillars were. Of course the whole thing collapsed once 100,000 tonnes of cargo ship ploughed into it. When you look at it, it’s amazing the bridge stood for as long as it did with all those massive boats passing under it day and night.
I'm one of those people who has season 2 as their favorite season, yes even above season 4 though that is a close second. I actually loved the change of pace by switching from the barksdale crew to the dock workers, and Frank Sobotka gave one hell of a performance throughout.
@pstob223 maybe for some. I personally like it because it exposes the entire spectrum of the drug trade. The part that doesn't make the criminals all black, the part that shows ziggy stealing a whole load of cars and no one batting an eye about it. I just wish they incorporated more of season 1 characters into season 2 and season 2 characters into the rest of the seasons. I liked how they used the tech to hide the theft and how the cops used that same tech to catch them
@@kacey5324 knowing people like Ziggy, He was always picked on and as a defense mechanism, he decided to try to get on the joke by being the clown. However he was still mocked and disrespected and it eventually pushed him over the edge.
Why didn't Nick just leave the docks and get a job somewhere else? He was a young guy and if he is only working 5-6 days a month, he has nothing to lose at this point.
windtalker speaking as the son of a longshoreman, who was the son of a longshoreman, who’s father was a longshoreman, I can tell you, it’s a family thing. There’s a scene where Franks talking about it and says something like “Out here it’s ‘Who’s your old man?’ until you have kids of your own and then it’s ‘Who’s your son?’” It’s different, I can’t describe it. I spent 5 years from 18-23 working (or trying to work) with my “J” Card til my Dad finally told me there ain’t no future in this anymore and to get out while I was young enough. And him telling me that broke his heart. I ain’t trying to be dramatic, just trying to provide some insight. The docks run in the family.
left wing self hating jew David Simon who downplays Jewish exceptionalism and equates the plight of the black Muslim as if it was the same scale as jewish discrimination.
Season 2 (1) The French Connection - Many comparison between the show, and The French Connection. Vondas and The Greek were to Baltimore what Charnie was to The French Connection. (2) Changes in the economy, the loss of jobs and it's impact on the middle, and working class as seen through the eyes of the Stevedores. Frank Sobotka cared deeply about what was going on but resorted to very desperate measure.
@@skuzad25 The Greeks were going to kill Nick lol his character served his purpose,he only came back for one scene in season 5 and that was to show how the developer's destroyed the labor workers union
Damn I miss that show. On that occasion, which of David Simon's other work is the most worth watching? So far I have only seen Generation Kill, but nothing else.
I just noticed on my fourth time watching this all the money Frank made he never kept for himself. No new car, behind on his phone bill, no nice clothes
Its strange. Cuz a few generations before, their ancestors moved to America and had to strive to be something they weren't used to. They made something of themselves. Few generations later, their descendants have no flex or will to move/or change themselves to accommodate the situation.
He's not, in fact Frank is doing everything he can to make the docks competitive again. By the way, he was right. In Season 5 the whole Union is busted and the docks are basically dead, since surrounding newly built condos will make any sort of expansion impossible.
Are there no supermarkets in Baltimore that hire stock guys? No fast food restaurants? Hell, Cutty got on the back of a truck and mowed lawns, for a time. You can make money without being a thief. Definitely not as much but enough to live in.
My uncle Ray Bulgarinja-Demeno was a Union dock worker. He rolled on a major human trafficking ring run by some chinamen brining in little boys and girls from North Korea, China and Cambodia in shipping containers. He did it when he opened one to find one of his buddies raping a toddler. He was then found 18 days after going to the police…. He was found with steel rebar used to penetrate him and rupture his insides. He bled out. Took hours for him to die laying in a 50 gal barrel. The case was dropped and buried. No one even served a night in jail. My dad thinks the police chief and NYC officials had a hand in it. The 1980s were a different time.
These episodes with Frank and his Union rank and file, Nick, the Greeks , Prop Joe are a template that could go on in any Trading Port, in the USA and abroad. That is how corruption travels through these places , and eventually undermine its viability as a Shipping Port. Look at the unraveling demise for New York and Boston Shipping Ports And there are so many others to surface. There is a presentation about Rotterdam’s automation and how efficient the port is in the movie Frank is invited to sit in. Assuming it is all true , given it is the European Union , and Rotterdam is as good as advertised , then there you have all the reasons on why a place like Baltimore’s fate might cost its shipping port.
This scene really captures how miserable life is down at Sparrows Point, Hunts Point, or whatever point they filmed at in the Essex or Dundalk area of Baltimore. Being a Maryland native believe me i know.
It’s not miserable, easy access to water and the city, yeah some parts stink; but there is also enclaves with great bars/restaurants and hidden air strips for private planes.
Everyone hates on season 2... granted Ziggy character is pretty poorly acted...but the writing and story are top notch. Think people were just mad there's was less of the street drug shit. Coming from a Irish Catholic fanily of union carpetenrs and electricians there was so much in this season that felt real and true to life for me
The capacity is already there. If every other place is maxed out and can't expand quickly and cheaply you''ll use this port. Also specializing in cars vs. containers or bulk more than makes up the difference. You need surge crews that can drive those cars fast but safely.
