A style of glassware popular during the depression because it was cheap and easy to make, as rather than using traditional glass blowing methods with high quality glass, they used cheap glass and molds to make designs instead, has hundred of copies out there. There are quite a few people unknowingly searching for those later made copies rather than the original because of the lack or lesser presence of mold lines and a higher level of purity in the glass. This is a mentality commonly found among many people searching for special or collectable items. Where the original, that was not meant to be collected having been made to be sold and used, it shadowed by things which came later that were made with the express purpose of looking like that older item, but having a cleaner look that they are capable of maintaining quality for longer periods of time. And, in some cases, expanding to products or concepts never made in the original production while maintaining that style for the main purpose of selling more products. It's a business. And people go for it all the time.
It's true in some collectable cars too - only 10% of Mk1 VW Golfs (Rabbits in USA) were GTIs, and they were a great car, so lots were looked after and survived, and the other 90% of CL's/GL's etc, were somewhat forgotten/neglected and, as a result, good non-GTI examples are a lot rarer and are almost as collectable as the GTI's.
AND when the genuine is so well made that the fakes have to be exceptional as well. Example, Stradivarius violins. 🎻 Some fakes were so brilliantly made they are fine instruments and quite valuable in their own right.
@@paninisinabox I was buying bulk lots ( 100,000 + cards ) of those cards for about $0.001 each - sometimes less. I'd spend time organizing them, and picking out uncommon cards. Overall I made money doing it, but it took a lot of time to organize. To tell you the truth, there is more money doing bulk Magic The Gathering cards ... more expensive, but more profit after they are sold off .
Its a slippery slope my friend. He makes it look so easy doesn't he? I did the same. Watched a couple or all of LPL 's videos and bought a cheap set of picks and a couple of training locks. Now I've got 7 or 8 sets of picks and i need a bigger box to keep my locks in. Word of advice...avoid the really cheap pick sets from China. Just get a set from Sparrows or Multipick. They're far nicer to use and will last u better. Also check out Bosnianbill on RU-vid. Happy picking my friend.
Because I'm one of the only locksmiths in my area who specializes in antique locks, I'm, sadly, very often put into the position of telling a customer that their "antique" isn't actually an antique... USUALLY they're fairly accepting, (especially since the work is going to be cheaper) but I've had customers who SWEAR that "NO, this is DEFINITELY FROM the (name time period)" One woman, who had given me a long detailed history of how the piece had been her grandmothers, brought over from Ireland in the early 1900's but it had been in the family, etc, etc, etc, got VERY upset when I took one look at the lock body on her wardrobe (which was clearly something you'd find on box store furniture, complete faux finished cast ZAMAK lock body attached with Phillips head screws), and suggested that it might be "newer"... I REALLY tried to give her an out... suggesting "Maybe the lock was replaced at some point more recently?" NOPE... I'm like... OoooK and didn't even bother probing the lock, just pulled out and Ilco 24B (premade almost universal key for generic barrel style locks on newer furniture) put it in the lock, tried it, and surprise, surprise, surprise... it worked.... Charged her the rate for my antique consultation trip charge (which is $75 more than my trip charge for standard locks, since ACTUAL antiques, you never know WHAT you're walking into, very often it involves a little research at home, and if nothing else, I'm filing a key by hand)... and $5 for the key... It made her happy... I'm sure she's still telling people about her 200 year old wardrobe... Two weeks later I get my usual junk mail from rooms to go..... Guess what's on the front of the flyer?
@@seantaggart7382 While I realize I left out saying it SPECIFICALLY with this customer, on the original comment, I DID even tell her it would be cheaper if the lock were newer, I'd quoted my antiques rate over the phone before I even left my shop... Still no, she insisted it was an antique.. It's called the "stupid tax" and it's a very real thing with every specialized contractor... If you INSIST you have some specialty thing that can only be worked on by a specialized expert, and you call in a specialized expert, then you pay specialized expert prices.... If she'd called me and told me she needed a key for her rooms to go wardrobe, I would have directed her to amazon where it would have cost her about $10. If she's willing to pay my standard specialized rate, even in the face of an expert trying VERY hard to allow her to save some dignity, and money, by giving her an out..... that's up to her..... but some folks got more money than sense.
@@derekbroestler7687 This reminds me tangentially of the leathergoods shop my mum worked at when I was a kid. From time to time she'd get paid to open some stupid businessman's briefcase... that was locked with a combination lock. You can imagine the highly sophisticated technique she used to open them! At least people paying to be stupid helps the economy...
Same, it would be interesting to see whether there was any appreciable difference in the amount of time LPL would have required, and hence their relative security (or lack of)
I bet these locks are more pick resistant than newer locks, because almost nobody has a tool to open these. But I think these locks are also more likely to be opened with brute force, so it doesen't really matter.
Try picking a newer lock with two bobby pins. Now do the same to this lever lock. But of course “solid brass” is basically nothing against modern bolt cutters.
I didn't realise they were "collectible", I threw an ancient one of those away a year or so ago because it had been kicking around the shed forever without a key. Would have been interesting to have looked up the model online to see if it was worth anything, and then thrown it away.
If you didn't have a key for it, that would have decreased it's value considerably anyway. However, many of these old locks had as little as 30 different keys, and some lock smiths still have the entire set, so if you come by an antique without a key in the future that you can pick up for metal-value, it is certainly worth spending a little time investigating. Just don't try to "polish" it.. that sends the value down the drain.
The all brass ones are more collectable than the galvanised steel ones. Sellers on eBay seem to have recognised the locksport community (and possibly interior designers) because the prices have shot up. I usually pay £20-£30 for nicer, more handmade locks of this type with or without keys. For one of these original Squire all-brass ones, I would pay £15 without key and £20 with a key. for a galvanised model I would pay £5 with the key and I wouldn't even consider buying one without a key.
There are some subtle visual differences that I think an expert would be able to pick up on. Seeing them side by side, the shackle is slightly smaller and thinner and I don't think the lock body is exactly the same.
@@OtakuUnitedStudio If you're just looking for visual differences, they're all over the place, even if you ignore the dirt on one. The fake's "SQUIRE" uses a completely different font with round letters instead of boxy ones. The real squire seems like it has asterisk-shaped rivets, unless that's just some oddly placed dirt. The fake's keyhole is a little bigger.
@@matthewr6148 Indeed the Q is the big giveaway for me. They also tend to have a different address stamped on the rear...I've seen a number of variations including the USA. The rivets are star punched on the front
thats not a useful method, the vast majority of potential buyers aren't lock pickers. visual methods are far more useful, and i'm sure will be used. it is a good question though, and i also wonder if the picking is the same or different.
I feel like a vintage style lever lock is underrated for its security today. A big usually cast iron or even steel design is good for drill deterrent, and the kicker is that most thieves likely don’t have the tools to pick a lever lock, more likely just for standard wafer locks. So as long as the lock doesn’t have any obvious design flaws, I would consider using one of these regularly. Also they look cool too.
You’re probably not wrong. I do some legal picking in my job and I don’t carry anything in my edc for lever locks because I so rarely see them and need to keep the weight and bulk down on my kit.
I do something similar. But a little different. I get locks that are not sold in my country or I haven't seen at local retailers. Kind of collecting but using them at the same time. On the serious stuff though only ever use Bilock cores and Lockwood or decent Abus locks except for my secure cabinet and I used a Sargent and Greenleaf. But seriously locks are only there to keep honest people out.
You're absolutely right. Most thieves would probably have experience with different types of modern locks and haven't even ever had to touch a lever lock.
While that's not wrong, and it would be very effective against those without the knowledge of how to pick this kind of lock, just keep in kind that security through obscurity is not a replacement for security through quality. *Somebody* will know how and will have the tools, and it won't keep them out for long then. Unless you get some high-security variant, of course. Combining quality *and* obscurity is the best method.
I say this in all honesty as someone who has listened to thousands of hours of audio books - You need to read/record audio books. I don't know if anyone has told you that before, but you do.
I drive a Ferrari. The problem I found was that it made other road users jealous and aggressive so I had the bodywork replaced with that of a Skoda. Unfortunately that made it handle badly so I took the Ferrari suspension and wheels off and put the Skoda ones back. Then the engine was too powerful for the suspension so I took the Ferrari engine out and put the Skoda engine back in. The Ferrari interior did not really match the car so I put the original Skoda interior back. And now, I can proudly report that I no longer get jealous and aggressive behaviour from other road users when I am driving my Ferrari.
I never ever liked lawyers! I equate them with vampires and blood suckers, but with you I have made an exception , so I have subscribed! Good information.
I remember when this channel was trailing Bosnian Bill by several hundred thousand. How times have changed. Who’d have thought lockpicking asmr was a thing...
@Koowluh If someone cannot focus on one topic for more than a few minutes, it says a lot about the person. In any case, that person would not do well in locksport. Picking locks requires concentration and focus that last for more than a few minutes.
@@hihu7200 These days I have a 5-10 minute respite more often than 20-30+ minute ones. I've noticed I've stopped regularly watching many longer videos even on subjects I really like as a result.
@@hihu7200 As soon as people like Lindybeige moved from 10 minute videos to hour and a half rambles I stopped watching. 2 minute videos with all the relevant info beats padded 10 minute bullshit anyday.
"As it is not a high security lock". I just love this comment. 😁 With you sir, there is no high security lock and we appreciate the time and effort you put in to educate us on lock security. An ardent fan... 😊😊😊
"Contestant #1 what is your name?" "Squire 770." "Contestant #2?" "Squire 770." "Contestant #3?" "Squire 770." "Will the real Squire 770 please stand up." (#3 stands) "Congratulations, you win a chance to stump the LockPickingLawyer!"
His voice and the content is therapeutical, i hear a lot while i am washing dishes or doing something of that kind, and when he starts "1 is binding..." i pay 10000000% atention
@@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYTThey would copyright the MOON if someone drew Mickey ears on it But Im sorry if its a joke I have had it with the near full on abuse of Disney THEY ARE THE DOMINANTATORS OF the market I just had it with all the hate Im sorry i know its a joke but *Yeah they probably would if they could*
I saw two of the same lock selling on Ebay. One was labeled as antique while the other wasn't. One was I think $60 or so while the other was about $14. They were styled to look like olde prison locks.
The squires are great lever locks - you can do a rough guide to age based on the markings and key type. The early ones are barrel keys with a central pin in the lock body, they have a hole at the bottom rear plate with "DRAIN" stamped over it. The newer versions have a hole in the rear for the tip of the solid key to go into and no drain hole. The newest versions will have a different address on the rear - originally Willenhall was in Staffordshire, but in 1966 boundary changes made it part of Walsall which is in the West Midlands. So anything pre 1966(ish) will have "STAFFS" and post 1966(ish) will have "W MIDS" at the end of the address stamped on the rear.
Chris Jones West Midlands didn't come into being until mid 70s,same time as merseyside,humberside,Cumbria,the yorkshires getting split etc,Wolverhampton and Walsall were still staffs until then,and the squire factory relocated to featherstone just off J1 M54 which is still staffs
@@Thecrazyvaclav Thanks for reminding me of that - so Willenhall moved to Walsall in the 1960's but then Walsall came under West Mids in the 1970s then with the boundary change then? The move to Featherstone was in the mid 2000s, so prior to that they were in New Invention which is W Mids.....so there is a period between 1974? and 2005? when they were in the W Mids....I've defintily got one lock stamped W Mids.
I agree about the placement of the line between fair and fraud. Although.. I think it would be difficult to put it in any other place. Interesting thought about the question of how collectors will value them.
I was on eBay looking for locks to practice on, and stumbled across a large number of lever locks in this style, but with tags for New York Insane Asylum, Alcatraz, and a bunch of other well known places that would lock people up. This sort of thing seems to be really popular. I know I was tempted to buy a New York Insane Asylum lock...
Hi lpl, Im new to lock picking and im really enjoying the content!!! Keep up the good work :) I wanted to know where to get quality tools for a beginner, I tried looking at amazon and ebay but the results weren't really good, I would love to get your and other's advice
@Chester Joel: I feel really sad for people who *need* the CC feature. Some times I watch videos with them on .... and they are often a mangled mess. 😖 It would be nice if we could submit corrections or someone one would quality check before releasing the video in to the wild.🙄
I’ve been searching for a Perfect Lock. And always saw your video and admired how u decode and pick impossible locks. I saw this Stealth Padlock. And other such Locks. Numerous designs. I want you to check that Out
Another Chinesium product. Designed to ignore any and all regulations and copyrights. As an electrician in the UK I have learned to double check and test any product labelled "made in China" as I have found a few times that protective devices do not meet relevant safety regulations.
What I just got that exact fantasy lock off of ebay. The markings are exactly the same except for the name over the keyhole is 'Jared' and above that it has '2 admiralty'.
I'm curious, as to what the "least horrible" keyless home deadbolt or door knob lock setup would be. I'm purchasing a home for the first time, and well.... like to have a backup in case of lost keys.
Is it possible to do a tear down on a lever lock? There have been a few featured recently, and I dee like I have much less concept of what they take to pick, versus pin or disk detainer locks.
Hi! Im starting to get into lock picking, i saw your video on picking many different locks to master picking a type of lock instead of a lock. Ive looked on ebay but i cant really find many locks. Where and how should i look?
i would have liked to see the fake picked as well, just to see which is harder to get open. if the fake is more secure, that would be a surprise and very interesting.
I bought one of these new back in the 80's and always assumed it was a reproduction but looking at your 3 locks it is exactly like the original 770 distinguished by the star crimped rivets and identical numbers and letters. On the back it says H Y Squire & sons Willenhall staffs Made in England lockmakers since 1780 I used to buy stuff from reenactors sites like Townsend and sons. Do you think this could be an original reproduction or a really good fake? Thanks for your great videos!
Could you put together a list of the easiest locks you've ever picked? It would be interesting since you've done lists of locks that have really nasty key ways.
I've seen you pick some modern locks in less time than this one even though it's not a high security lock. That's kind of interesting to me. I've seen some of these cheap newer locks where you just use a rake and jiggle and the thing pops right open. I would have liked to have seen you open the fake also just to compare the lock part of it
Hey LPL, I just got my first set of picks today and bought some cheap locks to pick. I think I have found the worst lock ever. As far as I can tell (with about 3 hours of picking under my belt) the hyper tough lock I bought only has one functional pin. I can literally stick my pick in, feel the pin, set it, and the lock opens.
Is there any lock that @lockpickinglawyer cant pick? Hey, could you please make a video with lock tkat you strongly recomend to get, and you cant pick it or its hard even for you? Greetings from Poland, and thanks!
If you pick a properly sized tool that shouldn’t be a problem but if you find that either everything binds or nothing binds, you’re in the wrong place. It’ll normally be at the rear of the lever stack if that helps at all.
there may be Fire Brigade Padlocks (FB1 FB11 and FB14) they are cheap buy and they might have just rebranded them if i can see the key i can tell you but they are not there for security they are there for the fire force quick access it (the uk) you can buy all the keys for like £5 I've got a set it's very useful
After watching you for a while all that comes to mind is that if modern locks were machine to tight enough tolerances they would be unpickable. That is you would have to have all pins/discs aligned simultaneously or it wouldn't turn. Is it too expensive to do?
Not sure such a lock would be very practical in the real world. People want locks that will last for years, can be bashed about and still continue to work reliably when hot, cold, wet or dirty.
Well, you could certainly improve tolerances beyond your average Master Lock, but (as everyone else has said) a "perfect" tolerance would seize quickly outside of a sterile, temperature controlled lab environment. Any metal shaving, dirt, water, expansion from increased temperature, etc would lock your lock beyond unlocking.
Hi, LPL. I wonder. We follow the rule of law. What if one rule of law is, 'It is OK to break the law if you get away with it.'? We have building inspectors that go out to the construction site to see if the methods and materials are up to code. But we have no building inspectors that go to the factory and see if they are following the law. Just thinking. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!
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