14F Punishers Ranked WORST to BEST | Data Comparison | TEKKEN 8 

As someone who's also extremely self-conscious about their voice, just know this commentary is way better than the old TTS bs. Feels way more genuine

For Nina I would like to mention her b+3+4,1+2 - it has much better range than the mentioned 3,4 while also doing 34 damage. In heat, it does 54 damage and wallsplats from really far away.

7:22 isnt Lee's 44:4 an 11f heat engager?

7:32 Yoshimitsu has an i14 heat launcher, that you just covered in the video.

Thank you. Amazing work as always. I didn't expect you on OCE server and noticed that we fought a few times in ranked (I'm losing 1-4 vs you) after watching your tourney vid :) Keep up the great work!

Appreciate all the work you put in!

Reina's ff2 is 13f off of Hit or Block stun. Thr first forward can be buffered and the attack button must be pressed at least 1f after the second forward. There's a neutral in-between so that's 15f in neutral and 13f in stun.

You left out another followup for alisa’s f3,2; you can do f3(DBT),2,1 for better damage without heat. Otherwise, great video as usual, can’t wait to see more of this content.

Love this bro!!

7:24 leroys chain punches are a heat engager no?

Nice work

Alisa’s f4,2 optimal followup is f3 DBT 2,1. That puts her couple of places up in the list. You only want to do DES f2 string in heat for full combo.

Very good job My friend i'm actualy playing with Feng Wei but You have very usefulls tools that i allways check, by the way do You have any web or place for the reach of the moves of any characters?? In tk8

Amazing vedio. And there again, king at the bottom of another tierlist.

You do the work we need.

Great stuff MC. You da Master of Content. I'd argue on the first two spots, since for me Lars is the clear top1, but I get that it's hard to quantify launchers. Both Bryan and Lars have insane combos, and both punishers have solid range, but blueballs being a Mid, it will always hit in every situation. And that plays a kinda significant role in launch-punishing specific characters options, especially YOLO ones, like Bear's everything, Jim's samsara , Eddy's b3 etc.

Are you gonna do ws punishers next after this ends?

You make quality videos.

Interesting decision putting a 28 damage non-wallsplatting punisher a whole tier above laws 40 damage wallsplat punisher but fair enough. Punishes are rather contextual a lot of the time, in terms of what will be better or worse.

Victor also has d/b 1, 1. Both it and f 4, 2 can go +5 into Perfumer and Iai respectively.

What makes law's 14f punisher so bad? I figured it'd be much further up the list

A guide on 14 frame punisher thanks ❤

Reina ff2 is 13f in perfect execution. Good video

Nina has a 14f punish that is really good that wasn’t mentioned, b3+4, 1+2

I'm curious why you ranked Reina over Kazuya on the EWGF punish. Is it bc of the potential damage they get on the combo? I can't speak for Reina but Kazuya (assuming the execution is there) can get a max of 82 damage afaik from a 14f EWGF punish. That is ofcourse the damage not counting resources like Walls, Stages, Rage or Heat. The combo is EWGF EWGF cd1+2 (12)43 b221+2.

For Victor isnt the u1+2 followup better?

Lee also has a 11 frame heat engager with 4,4,4 (justframe)

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Are we not counting nss flash as the fastest launcher?

Alisa can follow up her f3, 2 with b1+2 if im not mistaken for 50 instead of 47. Game shows it as combo dmg to me. Not sure if there is a wakeup optoon that beats it though

What about Yoshi b2,2? I think this is a heat launcher

For Nina her 3,4 is never used as her i14 punisher. What Nina players use is f3 for 30 dmg into fully charged ff1+2. If they stay on the ground that's additional 25 dmg and if they stand and block that's 9 chip damage and +8 on block. Or they use b3+4,1+2 for 34 dmg outside of heat and 54 dmg in heat and wallsplats from across the stage. For i15 frames she should be top tier as her b1+4 has great range and in open space she nets 95 dmg without rage, heat, walls or any stage gimmick: b1+4, uf4, qcf1, iws1x3, df3,2~db2, db3+4 t! db2, qcf4,3,1+2 = 95 dmg.

With Heat Zafina can get dash df1,2,1 for 58 damage which is quite good.

I feel like you keep forgetting Nina. Her 14f punisher is b+3+4, 1+2

6:44 dvj b2,4 startup 15frame because it has multiple active frames

If we include wall combo potential, i reckon Lee's just frame 14f punish would rank a lot higher, no?

0:42 is Law's combo a natural? I swear I think I floated him out of it with a jab, might be wrong though.

Leroy has i14 heat engager you putted in the list but at the ens of video you didnt wtf? And can you tell me how bears i14 ass is bettet than laws 3+4 4 ? Even in range tierlist laws 3+4 has more range than jins f1+2 Lees 444 is i11 too Everything is wrong in this video

7:22 wym Lee 12f he has just frame 4,4,4 which is a heat engager. It's i11 and a natural combo from first hit.

Bro using electrics as 14f punish. Gigachad

what does the "i" of "i14f" stand for?

Leo has an i11 while standing heat engager in ws4 1+2

I like how in almost every one of these King is lower on the tier list. Yet the scrubs still cru

going to the tried and true "scratchy, peaking audio" that all youtubers have when they start out. it's genuinely so much better to listen to, I used to hate any of your videos using that AI-speech stuff since it felt so stilted and wrong. this is a good direction, I'll be glad to watch your videos when they have such heart.

Lilis fastest heat engager is 8 frames

Amazing guide! One thing I noticed that it would be so much better if you also add every characters 14f move(if it exists). That would be more educational in my opinion. Anyways, amazing guide as always! 😊

Lee's best 14f punisher is acid rain + blazing kick except near walls

xiaoyu has the easiest input for an i14 launcher like what do you mean i only need to press 3, there's not even a directional input too, insane that its also long freaking range 2.69 insane.

7:30 yoshi can launch -14 in heqt with b22

7:26 lee's 44:4 is i11

anti-Alisa guide 🥺

theoretically devil jin and jin have i13 launchers no? like perfect EWHF and perfect EWGF are 13 frames

Azucena has a 13f launcher in heat with lib12f

Lee is actually at 11! For heat engager with his 4,4,4justframe

Nina's b3+4 1+2 is a better i14 punish. Especially in heat.

You might want to consider making a tier list of characters' tier list on all of your recorded tier list on this cannel

Lili only has f1+2 but 1+2 is guaranteed after that

I’m wondering what you’re thought process was with Bryan fb2 being better than Lars fb21 ? Iirc fb21 has better range and as a mid won’t whiff if the -14 move recovers crouching Bryan’s is safer on block but that’s it really

KAH!

Imo Lars>Bryan because his hits mid while JU is a high other than that I agree with everything

Lee's heat engager is 11 not 12

yoshi can launch at i14 with heat

Call me crazy but I thought Kings heat smash was 10 frames.

you didnt do lars....

I like this one better than the AI voice

Lee b112 is not the worst, bc of high damage and wallsplat, Asuka's uf2 neither bc of high damage floor break and good oki (and not forget that best Punisher for Lee for damage is acid kick)

Law went from the best to the worst 14f punish

Odd list. Ling's standing 3 worse than Jin? And a lot of the follow ups are not optimal.

glad to hear your voice, only thing i didnt like about your vids was the ai voice lol

Law ez win Edit: is Law's 3+4,4 not i14?. That shit is natural no?

Hwoarang is always at the bottom of the tier list. 😂

The worst part about Law's going from a launcher to a supposed +OB high damage (just duck it) one is that they still haven't fixed the issue that at far range you can hit the first kick of the 3+4 and the rest of the attack will not combo properly, especially since he doesn't even have a 14f HE like okay yes 10f CH exists but every option besides the 18f -9ob move is CH only.

Not surprised Lars is number 2. He's the only character with a mid i14 launcher. The only caveat is that it's super launch punishable. The only other character who did have an i14 mid launcher before T8 was Kuni with her DP in T7, and before that it was Jinpachi in Tag 2 with his df2. Edit: Jinpachi df2 was a high. My bad, and Law's 3+4,4 was also a mid i14 launcher, but that had a duckable high attached to it, so there was a counter.

Nina's 3,4 is absolutely garbage, something you should never even attempt to use.

Please, leave this live commentary. AI Text to Speach is so damn anxiety enducing with its pronounsing issues and similarities of voices between channels

Mamie at least give us AI voice for data videos. 😢 It was unique for fighting game content. Nothing wrong with your voice but it kind of felt like your signature.

Ewgf and jet upper are not counting, because even promplayers camt input them in 3 frames P.S. jet upper possibly can, but extremely hard and rare

Bryan's is better than lars's? are you smoking something? ,lars always had the best 14f punish since t6

I prefer A.I voice. This voice is boring (i know it's the real one) but still prefer A.I