@@HariSeldon913 While I agree that it would be nice to see it demonstrated with an actual firearm, it's not hard to see how an actual firearm would make it even easier, as the firearm would help to brace the lock, allowing for firmer, more concise strikes with the mallet.
@@user-zm7qz5fq2d Then you probably shouldn't have watched. I bet you also watch movie clips just so you can go to the comments and say the movie sucked.
These gun locks are like the Kensington lock (remember those?) on a laptop. It's to prevent casual theft or casual unauthorized use. The only way to properly secure any gun is a proper lock, or a proper gun safe.
"Timmy, what would you like to be when you grow up?" "A lock designer!" "Oh, so you like to help people to keep their things safe?" "No, I heard they have super low barrier to entry."
@@kusazeroThe OP of this comment was having a hard time with the English language. What he was trying to say is that the profession of creating locks is easy to get into because it takes very little skill to design a shitty lock.
@@stefanfrankel8157 101%, is high enough, that is take as imposable, never to happen, as what your saying to, like going floor 101 on building with only 100 floors it's in posable, it's never going to happen? no mater what button panel says in the elevator/lift says? it not going to happen?
Generally, I don't favor heavy regulation. But if we wait for conditions in which we can sue these companies, it will mean some number of children will have to die.
My wife works for the Consumer Product Safety Commission and I send her your videos from time to time based on safety related features. One of the types of products you review I definitely send her are gun locks that fail in these manors. She's able to pass the up the chain so that the govt can review them and possibly issue recalls. You've reviewed a lot of products that if failed could have major safety related conserns.
@DugrozReports I'd have to follow up. I know some gunsafes have been recalled this year. Whether my wife had anything to do with it I'm not sure. She'd likely pass them up the chain and wouldn't know the final outcome until the press release.
To be fair, it did take him slightly longer to open it than it did for him to say its name. Not much longer, but that's still a step up from Masterlock.
And remember, the lock doesn't have to come all the way off for the gun to become usable. You can use the locking bar to pull the trigger once it's loosened up a bit.
Yup, but to be fair if the persion realizes hitting the side of the lock gets it one latch loose, and if it's as simple as shown, than I don't see a reasion to not just take the thing all the way off.
No single person has done more to disillusion me about the world than LPL. I have done and seen a lot of things in my life, but this channel has really helped me gain a new perspective on life. Everything really is cake when you have the right knife. Thank you, LPL.
Your videos allowed me to help a person get back into their home after locking themselves out. ( Proof of residency provided by the property manager prior to making entry). Thank you for your videos!
Seems to be a fairly common weakness in many electronic locks: usually they cheap out and use a solenoid to open the lock, and that means they are spring loaded. Also, I would have liked to see this lock picked / raked / stared at sternly; most electronic locks have a mechanical bypass with a core of terrible quality. Good smart locks are rare as hens teeth.
You could still make it mallet-safe with spring loaded bolts and solenoids. All you need is a second bolt blocking the main bolt. As long as they are oriented in different directions, tapping the lock on one side won't do you any good.
@@Bird_Dog00 The more complicated things become, the more opssibilities crop up for things to go wrong or offer the bad people more ways to bypass security measures.
It's worse than a wake rake, a wave rake requries a precision cut tool. Anything that requires a mallet means you can achieve the same by hitting it again a wall
It’s insane how the US govt. doesn’t deal with these things themselves. I mean… anyone with a 3D printer and some basic knowledge could mass produce crappy locks like this… absolutely wild.
Thanks for the video. Every time I see a gun lock tested I am reminded of when I was a kid, in traction in the hospital with a badly broken arm. The kid in the next bed had been looking down the barrel of a gun while his brother was trying to pound a shell they found into the chamber. (the shell was the wrong size). He was a funny, clever kid that made my days in traction so much better. Then one day his bed was empty and when I asked where he was they said he had taken a turn during the night and was gone. So yes, kids will hammer on a gun. I'd like to see recommendations for some gun locks.
I don't think he used those words, but one could certainly hear/feel it in the subtext on the recent video of the gun "safe" that could be defeated by popping the plastic handle out and reaching inside to remove the pistol.
@@Sembazuru Yeah, that was a real gem. No need to even look at the lock... just break the poorly-attached handle off, and now you've got a hole in the front panel large enough to get a large handgun through.
It reminds me an old intercom we had here in Poland in the 90s. If you knew where to hit it (my older neighbor taught me it), you could shake the relay to release the electric latch of the door and get into the building. It wasn't the safest system, but it was what it was. If someone was talking on the intercom, you could take your receiver up and hear what the neighbor was talking about.
Trigger locks seem to be the worst idea for safety. If you don’t need the gun that much, put it in a safe. It’s not like you’ll be able to access the gun quicker than any well designed under the bed floor safe.
@@Ceece20 The only purpose I can see for trigger locks is if you're transporting the gun, say a rifle in a case for a hunting trip, or something similar.
@@keith6706 If transporting, it would probably be better to use a well designed... ummm... not a gun person here so I forget the exact terminology... A bolt lock? The type that runs up where the magazine would go and comes out of the open chamber. What ever that is called, at least one can tell that the gun is unloaded and unfireable from just looking at it w/o handling it. Can't visibly show that a gun is safe much better than that...
I was thinking the same thing. Each time it moved demonstrated it was working. The second time he hit it was the "let's do that again so you can see it was not a fluke" moment. Doing it again was basically saying "Let's do that six more times you can see the first six times the lock failed weren't flukes".
To be fair, just because the first hit moved it doesn't mean hitting it repeatedly is guaranteed to get it open! Well, except the different locking grooves are of the exact same geometry, so... yeah, actually, it does.
@@petergrunendahl8799 while your comment is mostly joking, for those unaware he tries to make his videos as SHORT as possible so it reaches the most people, he definitely doesn't pad out the time at all
Yeah but then you can't put the lock back on it again once you've done what you need to do with it. Much harder to hide you've used the gun if the lock is destroyed.
@@NuminorTheFool Most people stealing guns aren't using them for themselves, they sell them to a black market broker like a crooked gun store owner and then whoever buys it can use it for a crime and dump it. Harder to trace back who stole it if there is no direct connection.
@@Toastybees Most people stealing guns could just cut off this sort of gun lock anyway (since they can just steal the lock with the gun and deal with it later). The primary value of a trigger lock is in preventing people who aren't supposed to be using the gun (children, etc) from using it without your knowledge or permission. Ideally, it shouldn't be removable at all, but if it can be removed and replaced without anybody knowing, that's actually much worse, because it means your kids might be playing with your guns repeatedly and you never even realize it until the day it ends up being fatal for somebody.
@@ToastybeesNo sort of trigger lock is meant to prevent theft; they’re meant to prevent accidents, especially from kids (the “curious adolescent”). This lock also fails at that.
I just saw the 464 episode, and I'm glad to see that lovely 1911 is still with you, love the ported slide. Also thought your voice reminds me a lot of John Mullaney, and for some reason thought I'd share that in case it's entertaining
As a kid, I learned very early to test locks and other security systems with taps, knocks and heavy hits to see if the system could be bypassed. One of my favorite things to knock, was pinball game coin doors! But I also found many other things that a mallet or hammer could coax a lock to open! But the new high strength magnets can also be used to open those locks when the cases are aluminum, and the bolt is steel! I have opened a store door with a magnet once! I wonder if your gun lock would be one of the magnetic failure locks?
Sticking with tradition that 2m or less is just WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU levels of terrible in terms of locks, let alone firearm locks. I seriously love you for making these videos and pressuring these companies to do better.
Dear LockPickingLawyer, I was wondering if you've ever thought of making some kind of international standards committee or some kind of best practices committee for locks? These companies keep making the same mistakes, and I don't understand. Thank you for another great video!
@@johndoe-so2ef That doesn't necessarily follow. One's desire to own a firearm or not doesn't define one's political beliefs. People are more nuanced than that. There are plenty of conservatives who choose not to own guns and there are many liberals who do. There are also many people who look at multiple issues and who may lean conservative in relation to some and liberal to others. Not everyone came out of a cookie cutter. And, if someone is concerned about their kids getting ahold of their firearms, choosing not to own said firearms effectively obviates the issue.
Just wanted to say I've been a picking enthusiast for a while (but no real practical skill) but have only owned a cheap kit from the big retailer whose name starts with "A" and couldn't even successfully open a Master No. 5 with it trying intermittently over the past several days. Then I ordered a Genesis. I just opened my No. 5 using a rake within 30 seconds on the first try. I am amazed. Quality (and the right tools) matter. (and no, I don't work for the company).
I'd sure like to see a video on "LPL Approved" showing the best gun locks, gun safes, bicycle locks, etc. Granted, there might be a category where none are undefeatable but there is always a best choice. Kinda like the Consumer Reports of security.
An "LPL Approved" list/video is counterproductive. Such a list promotes perpetuating the laziness of us-people, of us who are too bleeping lazy to be educated in elementary safety considerations.
Long time viewer, first time commenter. Watching your videos saved my ass, I got locked into my bathroom while replacing the door handles, I had no way of opening the door after closing it with only the outside knob installed. I immediately got hit with claustrophobia since I had no tools and no phone to call for help but remembered how calm you are and broke a pair of crap tweezers in half in order to make tools to turn and unlock the door. Thanks so much.
Three intended entry methods with potential weaknesses to exploit, and yet the lock didn’t even hold up long enough for any of them to matter. Incredible. XD
How are they able to market such a useless lock. You did save me hundreds on my door locks. After I showed my wife how easy it was to open them, she actually let me install the cheaper one. Saving me money. Thank you. Lol!
Speaking of door locks. I saw the one McNally milk jugged from those pieces of work amazon ad channels... And there was some members of the McNally Mafia in the comments lol
That’s not a bug, it’s a feature. They sell them to make money, not to actually work. That’s why they are “feature packed” so as to fool the customer into overpaying for nothing.
No they are there to make money off of people that for some reason coming from someone who owns firearms know the exact tree that the rubber of the handle of their firearm is made out of but cannot tell the difference between a multi-t-lock and a master lock number. 3.
@@ai4px Yeah trigger locks don't stop dishonest people from just taking the gun with the lock still on, so they don't make anything better quality than master lock. I guess a location chip in a secure trigger lock would help with that, and would be pretty cool.
Six or seven hits with a mallet to open this. That's inexcusable for a lock designed to secure a *firearm.* Thank you for reviewing these gun locks and gun security cases; it really does go to show just how bad the lock industry is at securing weaponry.
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If you look back in his firearm lock videos, you will actually find him doing a video where he takes a lock and modifies it so that it's pretty secure for a firearm.
Wow! You hammered it! Imagine the face of the manufacturer/distributor of the lock, when they watch this video. I agree, this is not a bike shed lock; somebody could get in serious troubles after relying on this trigger lock. Greetings from the UK Anthony
@@johndoe-so2ef oh sorry… in case it wasn’t clear I was describing your child like naivety and understanding as funny, not the product itself. It is pretty funny how you’d sooner blame China than your country’s lack of regulation for the existence of the these locks.
I think it really just needs be good enough to keep kids form getting to it and playing with it. Because anyone who REALLY REALLY wants it, is going just saw Through any type of lock at the end of the day a lock is just a false sense of security. Has you shown over and over. If someone has the will, they will get past it.
I'd be interested to see if it were as easy to apply the needed pressure and bang the lock if an actual gun (or something similarly sized and shaped for safety reasons) were in the way.
On one hand I wish LPL would put out a "locks that don't suck" list, but I understand he would be hesitant to do that since it could be considered endorsement and in some states he could possibly be held liable.
This channel has reminded me of another channel but couldn’t quite figure it out for years. But I have it; you and Not Just Bikes sound and speak so much alike.
Lmao, the main picture on Amazon is of a family watching a tablet with the gun locked up on the coffee table nearby. Their motto is "Be safer Live freer"
That's pretty much how the entire gun industry operates now. You either have to live in fear that your home will be invaded at any time, or live in fear that the democrats will come and take all your guns away
@user-zm7qz5fq2dyes, as children make fantastic gun users. I read somewhere that a little girl killed her father, who was pro gun, like yourself, and fatally uneducated in terms of gun safety- I believe he owned some sort of business pertaining to firearms. After which, I believe she shot herself. This was all accidental of course, but I find it amusing that the deaths of two innocent people aren’t enough to open the eyes of people like you. I mean… what _will_ it take? Aren’t guns (next to obesity) the biggest cause of death for minors in the US?
Would be interesting to see what difficulties are added when attached to a gun. I imagine the grip required would add a little extra difficulty but probably not enough
I feel the same way about gun safety, it’s like these folks don’t even try to care if the product works especially with firearms. Very shameful. Another awesome LPL video.
They do not have to make quality products, since many jurisdictions require people to buy/use these worthless items. Competition makes people/companies offer better goods/services at better prices, not government regulations/mandates.
Their attitude is probably first and foremost "We can sell this on Amazon for a profit", followed by "Anything is better than nothing", so they make something that is just a tiny bit above nothing. This may not actually be better than nothing, because it gives people a false sense of security/safety. For example, a person might have a decent gun safe, but if they "secure" it with this lock, they might be willing to leave their handgun out in the open where children could access it. Better to not have this piece of crap and secure your handgun in a real safe.
Do you also sell mallets, lego men, sticks, magnets and pieces of tin can as part of a lockpicking set? Those seem to be very common instruments these days,
I would never use a hammer on a lock that's attached to a gun As soon as it loosen up it would slip and probably activate the trigger on one of the hits
I remember him being on decent terms with Paclock, so I'm sure they would do it. ANd honestly having the "LPL Designed Fuck off lock" would at the very least be a hell of a flagship product.
It's unlikely to come apart *quite* that easily, it takes a bit of pressure outward to get the two halves to move apart in the window provided by each bump with the hammer (or on a stair), but it could definitely slip enough to reveal the vulnerability.
Most of them are actually worse than the padlocks. The consequences for failure is so high that gun locks should be held to a much higher standard. This is a flaw I’d expect a toddler to accidentally discover. Adolescents have the internet where they can find videos to defeat locks.
@@LeadTrumpet1the lack of regulation truly is disturbing. I’d love to see how many accidental deaths occur each year (attributed to firearms, specifically trigger locks) and what the trend for this is? It seems at this point in time the world has been flooded with a huge influx of terrible locks and safes, so I think it would be interesting to see!
When you see a less than 2-minute video from @LockPickingLawyer you know it's not really a good product endorsement! Great work as always, and thank you for sharing.
I'm always fascinated by these fancy locks that has multiple options to be unlocked (code, key, fingerprint). But simple solid taps on it works as well. It's like: wow. All these fancy options became USELESS. lol incredible
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