Great review. I'm happy with the results you shared. Hornady makes 22 mag in 30 grain that travels at 2250 ft per second. I'd like to see how those hit a coconut.
If you wanna save fur damage use a FMJ. The 17 doesn't have the penetration of the 22mag but is flatter shooting. I have owned both and find the 22 mag more useful for my needs. Squirrel decapitation is common with the 17 HMR. Shot anywhere else there's nothing left for the frying pan. I use a Gamo Swarm magnum out to 50 yards. 22lr is good out to 75 yards still reasonably flat shooting. The 22 mag can cover out to around 150 yard using MPBR on about a 2 inch target. Hitting the top of the target close and the bottom at 150. Holding dead center. Excellent for varmints with no hold over or turret adjustment for elevation. Wind on the other hand is the enemy at extended range. Calmer days this setting is outstanding.
Great review. I’m getting back into firearms, I’m an Army Airborne Veteran from Ft.Bragg. I wanted to start introducing my 19 year old Son and 15 year old daughter how to shoot. I think the .22 is the perfect way to go.
I use a 17 over 22 mag for one reason. When dealing with woodchucks I don't have to worry as much about hitting things behind my target because of pass through. With extremely thin jacketed rounds it enters and pretty much explodes.
You can achieve similar results with 22mag using a 30 to 32 grain TNT projectile (which just means a larger cavity hollow point) but still have the versatility to use regular HP in many sizes, up to 50gr, or fmj as your application changes. I also carry DOPE cards for each type of round I have so I can quickly estimate hold over/under if I'm switching between different rounds. I typically don't take anything much past about 80 yards though, most often under 50.
Thanks very much for the video comparing the performance of 17HMR and the .22MAG. I was pleased to see that the 17HMR did as well as it did against the 22MAG (and especially out to 200 yards). Both are solid performing rim fire rounds.
The .17 hmr continues to surprise me to this day a hella lot of shell on a small round. Both fun to shoot and watched my grandpa drop deer regularly with a .22 mag ( he didnt care much for laws) 😂
Great video, I couldn't decide between the 2 and I went with the savage 93r17 minimalist 17hmr for my Christmas present and then my dad just gave me his old mossberg chuckster 640ka 22mag yesterday so I wil now have both.
Hmmm... I have a 22wmr on my list of future rifle purchases. After watching this I may need to reevaluate. I like what I'm seeing in that 17. Good shooting!
Well i bought the 22 mag got matching pistol. The extra weight i figure will penetrate coyote better. Great vid esp longer range. Still considering the 17
Thanks bud. I love both cartridges. If I were just to get 1 just for coyotes I'd have to go with 22mag. Iv killed a few with a 17hmr but they usually run for 40 yards unless u hit them in the head.
I think some what between 250 and 300 mts would give the .17HMR a broader advantage difference in terms of residual energy and precision . Excellent video !!
.22 mag has more fpe at all ranges, the .17 has a very light bullet that bleeds its speed relatively quickly, at no distance can it overcome the more than double mass of the .22
Great video! Been thinking about a 17 WSM, maybe I'll stick with my 22 mag. Have a night scope setup for yotes that doesn't miss at 150 yards. Cheaper to shoot too.
just got the same ammo delivered for my Heritage rough rider with the 22 mag cylinder can't wait to try it. I did have a hell of a time trying to find it in stock though.
I bought mine right after the lockdown, it was hard to find.Love the poor mans colt as some people call it.Im also cosidering the rancher,wish it came in 22 mag though.I only own revolvers,love fanning them,although its hard on a cylinder,its a blast.I guess i have watched too many westerns.Heritage makes quality firearms for the price.My only gripe is fixed sights,shoots a little to the right.I found out that although you cant adjust the sights,you can rotate the barrel,which did the trick.Im going to buy another one with a cross draw holster,and the black satin grips.
I think the 17 is a little flatter shooting which I like for groundhogs. I hold a hair off the fur at 150! Wind is always a big concern though! After 150 I use 22 center fire!
Great video. I think the bullet has more explosive properties as velocity drops into the sweet spot with the 17. Anything below a certain distance doesn't allow the expansion.
Thanks, my friend. Nice work. I got 22cal, in the blood. But that Marlin 917v bull barrel, will hit dimes All day. :). But l got the 17cal, when first introduced. Was designed to help save the pelt damage.
I knew the 17 was a fast round, but as the author pointed out....the bullets is a light weight. Considering that, it did a lot of damage to the coconut at 200 yards. Don't need to sell me on the 2 mag. Very under rated.
I love the 22mag ! I just gets the job done. Saying that I just don’t have enough little critters in my neck of the woods to require the 17. However the misus has her 22lr in the shop right now getting a 20cal squeeze bore 22lr barrel made & fitted. 1:10 twist to stabilise 40 , 45 & 60gr bullets .
Heard background noise in video that sounded like some of the "alien" sounds they used in the old sci-fi movies,was this deliberate or was it you tube?Would like to see same test done with ballistics gel.
Need to get a ruger rpr in .17hmr and see the difference from 300 to 600 it’s amazing the energy it Carries down range. Killed several deer at 400 with the hmr head shots
I like the 22 mag for plinking. The 17 mag doesn’t have enough energy for dropping my pop up targets at distance. 22 mag rounds are cheaper also. 17gr ballistics vaporize gophers though. I never came across 22 mag 25gr or 50gr to experiment with yet. I think 22 mag offers more versatility.
@@Lowballinoutdoorz 100m damages it. 150m won’t budge it. Never bothered trying in between. It’s easier to just use the 22 mag. 22 mag also rings my gong loud enough over 200m to hear.
It's a fine line, where I am it's the hornady or the winchester super x hollow points, my cz will shoot a lot tighter groups with the hornady and fliers are very rare. Slightly more energy is meaningless if the round doesn't hit. Gotta find what your gun shoots well and stick with them if you can.
how come nobody brings up nor shoots the cci maxi-mag & the hp+v in the 22mag that has 2200 fps? ive had both and there both awesome!.. but the 22 mag especially with 2200fps ammo hits harder and bucks the wind better
Ya definitely need to try a bunch of different ammo, but it's tough to find right now. I may be wrong but I think the 22mag I used in this video was the maxi mag. I can't remember, thanks for watchin !
I’ve killed 4 coyotes with my Savage 17HMR and dropped them all all the spot, my dad has also killed two with it , Mine were all within 100 yards and my dads were at 150 give or take, pretty impressive for such a small round!
I think a hard target doesn't represent the 17hmr potential. It's designed for soft targets. I'd love to see this test on ballistic gel. My best bet is the heavier .22 will just create a stream line wound, where the 17hmr would actually have a more devastating/expansive wound channel.
outdoor adventures RU-vid channel does some testing "17hmr vs 17wsm vs 17 hornet" into clay which really shows how the energy is delivered by these rounds plus WHO_TEE_WHO did one called "17hmr vs 22mag - CLAY BLOCKS!!!" good demonstrations.
@Lowballinoutdoorz Ruger made a 17 HMR revolver. It is a great firearm. Bear Creek Arsenal makes a very affordable 17 HMR upper that has a 20-inch Stainless Steel barrel solid and very accurate. It's much cheaper than the Alexander Arms rifle, and you can get 15 round magazines for the rifle Vs 10 and they are the same dimensions as a standard 20 round 223 Remington/ 5.56 x 45 magazine.
@@Lowballinoutdoorz I had an old flat screen tv that I shot with both. The 20 gr fmjs went through it like nothing... the hollow points did not make it through.
Also, put at least 3 rounds in any "target" remember that H&K came up with 17 cal round with careless Ammo for it's G3 assault rife they work on thier advanced infantry fighting weapon back in the 1980's
Sitting in my S-10 in the shade with my Kimber 82 Classic .22 WMR waiting for the chuck to come back out and this comes up on RU-vid. Does it know what I'm doing?
The rifle barrels and stock setups are in need of explanation also, please address this also. Any old gun off the shelf doesn't mean 3/4" groups at 150.
Well, both of these rifles were stock off the shelf savages. The 17hmr was the heavy barrel with accutrigger and the 22wmr was the minimalist stock. Nothin special
Interesting video and results. I once shot a Rabbit in the neck at about 15 yards with a 17HMR and it zipped straight through, absolutely no expansion, it looked like a 177 air rifle wound. I've decapitated them at 50 yards with 17HMR. I think It's a little inconsistent in it's expansion but it always kills small vermin sized critters and the flatter trajectory is an absolute god send when shooting out in open areas with nowhere to hide/stalk in, but when you get into reaching out to those seriously long shots, around the 250-300 yard mark the 17HMR is so much easier to work with than 22MAG. They both have their uses, I think 22MAG is better for Fox/Coyote sized critters within 100 yards than pretty much anything else available. 17HMR is a Rabbit/Ground Hog sniper rifle.
300 with a .17hmr? I like to see that kill. Its energy at that distance would be less than throwing a rock. Theres a video or two but it never shows a shot of any kind, just a dude saying that he did it lol! They both are good but I have more faith in the 22mag. 22mag has more energy/power any range!
Evil coconut got a deserved punishment , impressive for such a small projectile, looks like at 200 yds there is more tumble effect that’s why it rips them evil coconut apart
Big scope and tons of practice, you could probly hit big targets. Wind will definitely have a huge impact at that range. It would be definitely a cool project!!! If yabgive it a try let me know how it does.. I may have to as well haha. Thanks for watchin
I guess it's a coin toss? I've heard that the 17hmr tends to be more accurate and it obviously has less drop but also tends to be more effected by wind....
Nice comparison between the 17 HMR and the 22 magnum. And as great as the 17 is, to be fair though had you compared similar grains that would ‘HAVE’ been a more even keeled comparison. But comparing a 30 grain and a 17 grain against each other really is unfair to one of them in one aspect and unfair to the other in other aspects. Next time try even grains and let’s see what happens.
I mean they really don't make heavy grain 17hmr bullets like the heaviest iv ever seen has been 20gn... but iv not seen either bullet on the shelves in awhile. Thanks for watchin bud
@@Lowballinoutdoorz I’d have to check my supply, as much as I love the 17 I cannot remember the highest grain in it. And yea since china’s gift to us, covid, like a lot of calibers 17 has become impossible to find but lately it’s been showing up at cabela’s and other store albeit a much higher price than before, like $5 to $8 higher
@@Lowballinoutdoorz not trying to scare you, but I have predicted more than one heart attack, wouldn't hurt to have a stress test performed, we need you around to make more videos lol.
Great video except that awful background "music" that sounded more like sound effects from the Jetsons. I was just as surprised as you that both of those had that kind of power even at 200 yards.
17 is awesome, the energy dump from the expansion is what makes it so good. The bb sized bullet explodes or disintegrates on impact; so... Although the .22 mag has more energy/power across the board. People always caught up on speed lol, but the mass accounts for way more. Heavier has more energy 99% of the time! Science & math doesn't lie or have favorites. Fact is 22mag will always have more energy no matter the distance & give a lot more penetration than 17hmr!! Faster bullets sound really good but that's all, they have to be lighter to increase the speed & that's no good; just sounds cool. Like all the lead free ammo is super fast bc its really light & they try to use speed to pick up the slack.
@@rocknraptor3195 agree 100% I use both calibers for different stuff.. I do like way less drop at distance with 17 for small critters. But for larger critters I'll pick up my 22mag haha
