I was a radio operator in Viet-Nam, USMC, and it sounded right for WWII. I expected a compass bearing, either gun-target or observer-target which is better. Obviously the responses were hurried up; the adjustments could not have been been that fast. The Viet-Nam era phonetic alphabet was different and WP would have been Whiskey Poppa but a lot of us said Willy Peter just to copy the old way and sound more salty. "Wilco-will comply" was an old radio proword we didn't use. The vernacular had the ring of WWII era Americans. Could it have been a training thing? Maybe, we can't prove one way or another. I was a little suspicious of the battle damage assessment, BDA, "wiped out". The spotter WP would have alerted the Germans and maybe they could have spread out more in time. Overall I think it was a good idea of WWII American action.
Yeah, it was from the old phonetic alphabet - Able, Baker, Charlie - days, meaning white phosphorus. It's Whiskey Poppa now, or was in my time, but old salts kept saying Willy Peter. Good spotter round and very dangerous on personnel.
By the sound of it, the guy calling in the strike is in a concealed position and not directly engaged. If they were under fire, he'd probably be yelling loudly, if only to be heard.
Willy. Peter is slang for White Phosphorus. The WP was fired as a marking round to orient the Forward Observer to where subsequent High Explosive HE rounds would impact unless a correction was provided by the FO. He did give a correction and then requested a Fire For Effect, whereupon several howitzers would fire a prescribed number of rounds estimated to destroy the target. WP can be used against enemy targets as it creates smoke, inflicts serious wounds and burns.
A 6 digit grid. That guy was in a hurry. The use of WP for the first round is because it's easy to pick out of the landscape for quick adjustment to target.
Artillery in WW2 seldom get 1st round hit without an adjust fire mission, hence a quick 6 digit grid would suffice. Also he was hoping the WP would surprise and stop the enemy so the corrected barrage would have more time to arrive on target.
We used six-digit grids reading right and up. The first number was the thousand yard or meter, I forget, grid square, the second was units of a hundred, and the third placed the round within ten. Close enough; you wouldn't want to be there. With the computers they use now they get eight digit coordinates that put the round on top of you, according to a Marine communicator that told me about it. I'm sure they learn the old way in case the computers are out.
Abu Habiba Well you just sound like some random dude going door to door to complain to however would listen No one said anything about this but you just pop out of nowhere and complain Do yourself a favor and quit it
Unbelievable the amount of inaccurate and negative comments. I think some people just guess and make comments. This is defiantly not from Vietnam and FM radios were used by the US during WWII, every Sherman tank had one! Notice, one of the last comments by HoundDog 7. "What is left is heading 23 Skidoo back to home" This slang term "23 Skidoo" was popular in the early 20th century in the USA and more or less meant "to leave one place quickly" similar to "getting out of Dodge". Would have been common slang for a WWII radio operator. Infact, the radio operators accent/dialect is correct for a WWII era radio operator. I personally think the radio transmission is real. Note the change in HoundDog7's voice after a direct hit was scored on likely a bunch of unlucky Germans.
Thank you Raymond, I have looked at all the negative comments left by many people and not responded, I was given 3 radio recording from a US veteran that assured me they where WWII and I had no reason to disbelieve him, I made this film with idea of giving the radio transmissions some visual content and the comments have really put me off making the others into short films, thank you for your comments and confirmation that I am not the only person that believe the guy that sent them to me.
Hello Mick, I would be very interested in hearing the other radio transmissions you have! I bet others would too, with or without a video. Keep up the good work! We need not forget this part of history.
Dear Mick, I thought it was really interesting and like several others here would be keen to hear the other transmissions , I would not e put off...its a very unique insight I think ...God Bless ,T
plus there werent many tank battles in nam and the use of tanks wasnt HUGE , plus i doubt tanks in nam would be calling in CAS or ARTY, im pretty sure that would be left to marines or air cav operating at the front
The very beginning callsign is in a game called Hell Let Loose, a realistic WW2 shooter. I literally just heard it in game earlier today, and was thinking to myself how funny the call signs were.
Something about this sounds funny, I thought the only thing that was on FM in World War II was tanks. Most handy talkies from that era I’ve ever seen we’re on a.m. usually around the 40 m amateur band
How in the world did you get such clarity? I have heard other radio communications from World War II and they are heavily garbled and full of static to the point that it’s difficult to make out the words. This sounds clear as a bell.
Listen to some radio comms from WW2 Bomber aircraft, they're in good quality and have multiple people in their different positions on the aircraft talking all at the time as they shoot down enemy aircraft and drop bombs on their targets lol. 😊
@@lol-un6nl The person who uploaded this said that he was given some recorded radio chatter by a veteran, who says it's from WW2. At least, I'd try to believe it.
@@nepnepguythegreatestofall6032 its from ww2 alright, im saying it wasnt recorded during live battle, it most likely was done when there was no fighting going on
The time from receiving the FMsn to shot being fired is too short. The Firing Calc ( bearings on sight and size of charge) has to be made at the FSCC THEN transferred to the gun line, read back (to confirm and eliminate error) and sights set and then gun laid, Concurrently: Round is prepared ( with fuze set (Impact delay or prox OR timed to get air burst ) and correct charge )THEN loaded, THEN Lay checked by Gun Sgt - THEN FIRED.
That’s how we do it today sure, but this was 80 years ago. Sounds like they did a simple fire correction. Keep in mind though I’m neither an FTC nor worked on a gun line.
How would this have been recorded in 1944? Wire or direct to vinyl would have been the only options. The equipment would have been anything but portable. The recording would have had to have been made behind the lines with the arty. Any idea as to how this was accomplished? It sounds like wire.
There are a few recordings from WW2 usually all 1944 or 45 it was a new experimental idea... Idk how they did it.... My assumption is there was a 3rd party radio somewhere behind freind lines on the same frequency that was wired to or just had a viynal recording deck in front of it.... Like a combat party line ....just listening .......... Could've been recorded to viynal or on tubes .......
As pointed out elsewhere. I have my doubts about this being real time recording of the event. I’m guessing this might be like those airplane crash shows where they reenact exactly what what said but it’s not the actual recording.
Might be a recording of reenactor activity. I think the "surface noise" or noise background is too low for field recording WW2. Just my opinion. Would probably have been recorded on a disk cutting recorder, less likely option a wire recorder, less likely in field setting a Filmosound type. From what I have heard of period recordings, there should be more background noise. Also, how in field recording, how do you tap into the audio line? You can't cram your recording microphone between the handset and the operator's head. Too many questions for me to accept this at face value.
Anyone know the actual origins of this radio chatter? there's different radio transmissions with the same guy (hot dog 7), yet i cant seem to find anything on google of where they originated from in terms of websites, original recording, etc.
Hi Mick, I'm a Collector of all kind of material of War throughout XX century, I have a plenty of audio recordings, photos, and films, and of course the Military radio traffic from 1940's to 2000's, and I've seen that you have excellent material, you still have the original audios? Many thanks for share this Invaluable Piece, and I'm waiting for your answer.
@@tommyrivarddesrochers9672 Well, since the HLL devs took it straight from this recording (as they did with the German chatter, which actually is Luftwaffe night fighter radio), it's no surprise.
I called in many fire missions , before, during and after a tour n Vietnam. This is most probably a recreation. The procedures are generally correct. I noted that during the adjustment he called for an “up” correction. The proper correction would be “add”. Since up is an elevation not distance. The six digit coordinates were quite normal for FOs. The timing from the call for fire to fire for effect were way too compressed. In the field we would have loved to have things happen that fast. Real world response requires time at each step. The exception would be Final Protective Fires in which the base piece would be laid in and ammo precut and futzed.
There is no way in the world that you could convey targets to 10 guns and they get adjusted immediately and fire within seconds of getting the order. Also the artillery guy's PPT is broadcasting and we dont hear any artillery being fired off... that is well and truly loud and would have come across as background noise even if the commander would be 50 yards away
10 rounds he, 5 wp. No number of guns were mentioned, so just 1 gun. Even if they had 10 guns trained on target, they already had mechanical computers in ww2 to do the computations. Though that would still be abit longer than what is shown here, that is if u believe the transmission is in real time. I don't the the latter is, the long breaks in between were most likely just edited out. Otherwise, this video would've been 10mins long with long silence in between.
Having collected restored and communicated with fellow amateur radio collectors using actual WW2 military radios for over 40 years, I have to say that these communications were most likely not recorded nearly 80 years ago. Audio quality is way to clear, no background noise or interference or fading, the relative amplitude of the two communicators voices is almost exactly the same. Furthermore audio shows up on several-different RU-vid videos with different graphics.purporting to be from different WW2 engagements. There are in fact some RU-vid videos ofactual transcriptions made by embedded radio broadcasting correspondents, some were made during D-Day in Normandy. I’ve heard those and they are definitely original. Chris AJ1G Stonington CT
there is no tension in their voices at all. I know that people back then were harder than a woodpeckers lips but this does not sound like other ww2 radio chatter that I have heard. Is this a reproduction for a museum or something?
They're probably more than 200-300m away from the enemy based on his coordinates and probably undetected as well. It's not like the dude is calling in a fire mission while taking incoming small arms and tank fire lol.
*Here's what I understood from the full clip:* HD7: Sugar 5-0 this is Hound Dog 7 over *S50* : *This is Sugar 5-0 go ahead over* HD7: This is Hound Dog 7. Fire mission. Enemy troops estimate company-size and two tanks moving west on road 4-8 coordinates 1-7-9-3-2-2. My position 3-2-3-4-8-1. Will adjust over *S50* : *Ah this is Sugar 50 sending you 1 round Willie Peter. Await. Hound Dog 7. On the way. (static) Splash. How do we look? Over.* HD7: Sugar 5-0 close but short. Up 200 left 1-5 over *S50* : *Roger Hound Dog 7. (static) On the way. (static) Await, (static) Splash!* HD7: This is Hound Dog 7. Target fire for effect over *S50* : *Wilco Hound Dog 7. Sending you 10 rounds H.E. and 5 Willie Peter. (static) On the way. Impact in 8 seconds over (static)* HD7: Sugar 5-0 this is Hound Dog 7. Nice shooting. Target all but wiped out. What is left is heading 23-skidoo back to home over *S50* : *Roger Hound Dog 7. Glad we could help* There's some dispute whether this is from actual combat or a training exercise. If it is from combat, seems likely to be later in the war. A (presumably) German infantry company along with two tanks are moving west on a road. The US spotter (Hound Dog 7) calls for artillery support (Sugar 50), which fires a white phosphorus targeting round but is slightly off. The guns readjust and fire another targeting round, this time on target. The German infantry fail to properly disperse, indicating that they are inexperienced soldiers -- likely, Volksgrenadiers, Luftwaffe Jägers, or other ersatz (reserve) troops. US artillery fires 10 rounds high explosive and 5 rounds white phosphorus to severe effect. The German survivors flee. SN: Taken from Reddit User [Deleted], must’ve posted it in the forum a year ago but I don’t know the original name but thank you for providing information
