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@@camgnilpe9300 When a lot of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, one health issue or family dispute away from homelessness, socialism doesn't seem so bad.
@@camgnilpe9300 Real mature, and dancing around stoned in the 60s and 70s "sticking it to the man", man wasn't the pinnacle of socialism. All ideologies that my gen expresses is what we have learned from your generation, take some self responsibility!
Something to keep in mind... Back in the old days, cars (engines in particular) didn't last as long. If a car had 100,000 miles on it, many would consider it mostly dead. I started driving in 1980 and I used to sell/trade just under the 50,000 mark. The idea was to get rid of it before the car lost too much value. Granted, a 1 year old car seems way to young to get rid of, but who knows how many miles people put on them.
@@FIVEOFEVER Datsuns in particular. I had a 240z which turned into a rust bucket and mom gave me her old Datsun 810 wagon to use as a beater that turned into a bigger rust bucket. Both cars ran like tanks but the bodies were hideous. FWIW, I live in St. Louis, Missouri.
You might be if you were making good money. I know friends that get a new every 2 years. Not leased. Bought. Why? Because they can. Me....I still have and love my ‘04 Monte Carlo SS.
@@FiveMissiles I have a 307 in my 1970 chevy c10. I think it was rated at 200 hp from the factory. It's not bad but it's not super exciting. I put a edelbrock intake on it along with 4 barrel carb, headers and dual exhaust. Sounds good but the truck is a little heavy for it to be exciting.
Charlie bought and paid for a 1969 Camaro. Then he decides to buy a 1970 Camaro. The same thing with Fredie and his 1969 Firebird. This is consumerism at its finest.
I am a Mopar Man first. My favorite was my 1970 Plymouth Satellite 2 door 383 complete number matching car and my 1969 Dodge Charger RT 440 car.Till this day I kick myself in the back for selling the two of them.how ever I still have my Dad and mom there old car. Is's a 1973 Dodge Polara California Highway patrol car 440 police Interceptor complete number matching car. And I still have my 1969 Camaro that I am giving to my Grandson. Putting a 454 with about 450 to 500 hp.
@@AtZero138 i also would not refuse a 70 Cuda but one has to ask why the 71 model is more popular. could it be the fact that it is a 4 eyed car like my preferred 70 Challenger with it's at night all lit up rear end treatment? if anything the 72-74 Cuda rear lights to me looks better than the 70-71 Cuda. but i would not kick one out of my garage no matter which one you would like to give me,,,pleeese!
@@norristammislideshowmulgre877 The ones I could kick myself in the ass for letting go of them are my '69 El Camino and my '65 C-10. But, back then they were just 20 year old sagged out trucks. Ok, one was more of a car. Also had a '74 Camaro that I miss to this day.
@silverbird58 I've never owned a foreign car, but without them, Americans would probably still think every car should be junked at 100,000 miles. It's too bad the big 3 had to lose so many customers due to poor reliability before they began making more reliable cars.
Those were the days...you could walk into a dealership and buy a true Hemi right off the showroom floor. Damn...what great memories....before mortgages and kids.
@@melrose9252 ..Nope with age you actually lose i.q thus dumber..Thats why people buy pos Camry's today...Toyota's are over rated junk ! They have their share of problems...1990's head gaskets,late 1990's to mid 2000's engine sludge,random acceleration ,more engine problems etc..
@@rightlanehog3151 No, all are automatic. Can see the selector indicators for each at 8:10. The Chevy has a powerglide and the Pontiac has the 2 speed BOP automatic.
@silverbird58 What I thought was super funny is when the lady was talking up the molded in headrests of the challenger seats, yet the Camaro and Firebird's non molded headrests are in nearly every car on the road today. Lol
nice shot at caddy using torsion bars...but the reason caddy used torsion bars is its front wheel drive and there is no room for a coil spring up front
Torsion bars work very well for very rugged conditions as well as offering more positive caster angles for better wheel return to center and straight ahead high speed driving, which is why cops loved the old Mopars. They tracked dead on with little effort at very high speeds. While coil SALA suspensions are better in turns, they suffer if the road isn't flat and true, something car manufacturers still struggle with today. Road shock through the steering wheel is nearly nonexistent with torsion bars.
I’m a GM guy but it’s true that the Challenger made the 69 Camaro and the 69 look dated. But a few months later the 70 F bodies made the challenger look like yesterday’s news.
John Hall I am a lifelong Mopar guy and agree with you but still like the 67-69s so much more then the 70. Them and Chevelles are my two favorites outside of the Mopars and like them a lot
Would have been better off keeping the 69 that body style is timeless the 70s being a GM guy were copied for years to come 67 through 69 beautiful cars
i rather have exposed wipers...anyone who lives in a snow state knows trying to clean the wiper area with them tucked under the back edge of the hood sucks
@@ChadQuick270W ..Well you must have needed a new heater core..My Dads 70 Cuda melted snow off the window quick and was hotter than most new cars !! Even my 68 Charger RT back in 72 melted snow off the window !! Warming was never a problem !
It's Always Gonna be about Mopar. thanks for the Post, it's never fails to be entertaining, I own a 68 Dart.. my daily driver.. Stay Mopar or drive whatever a Ford is..
I actually like that GM body style, as well as the 70 1/2 new F body as much as I like the Mopar E body of 70-71. This is when 1 could spec out a car the way they really wanted it. BUT build quality wasn't in the cards. Either you got a good 1 or a car that was completed on a Monday morning or Friday afternoon. I have a friend that has a 70 t/a ram air 3 4 speed. When he did his resto on it, they found beer cans underneath the back seat dating from 69, as well as 1 shoved up in the dash/cowl area..Workers didn't care back then.
In the Eighties the Norwood, Ohio GM plant made Camaros and Firebirds. I knew some of the people who worked there and I can say that you wouldn't want them putting your car together! GM closed the plant in '87 because of poor quality control, obsolescence, expense, and high worker absentee rate. High wages too! There was a party going on!
Oh man would I love a time machine back to fall 1969. I can still remember the first Challenger that I saw. It was a purple R/T with a white top and interior.
Love all of the old Detroit iron, but am partial to the Mopars. I'd take the Challenger any day and those old Mopars are worth the most money on average, in 2014 a hemi Cuda convertible sold for 3.5 mill at a mecum's auction in Seattle and is the all time record for an E body to date period
That was a 1971 Cuda it was the last year for the Hemi and it had other options that made the car rare but it did go for a lot that's the sad part the mopars keep going up and up even Satellites made to look like Road Runners are going for damn near 30 or more now days it's getting out of control the prices for them it's good for guys who have the cars already or guys that want to invest their money but for the guy that wants one that does not want o pay top dollar is not going to get one for cheap any more.
@@79tazman yes that's true with most of the B & E body cars in general, but can still get an A dart or duster for reasonable prices. Just about bought a badass 71 Dart last summer with built 413 wedge, and was in great shape inside out for 10k. Although the dusters are starting to gain popularity and are going up now unfortunately, but are still attainable. Even non-matching B & E bodies are pricey and is sickening
This was way cool !!!!! Now to go watch all of Austin Powers. And it’s a wonder Challenger didn’t out sell GM far better looking car !!!! This from a hardcore GM guy.
I owned an old '73 'Cuda in the 90's. Beautiful car, in excellent cosmetic condition (or wouldn't have bought it). And yes, it had about 100k miles on it, but the build quality and reliability were atrocious on those things (70's Mopars). I also owned a '72 Mustang with similar mileage and the difference was significant. I had to fix wear-and-tear items on the Mustang, but the Plymouth was literally falling apart. I was so happy to get rid of that thing.
I'm happy to own a '67 Firebird. For me that's the coolest ever produced. By '69 they were easily outcooled by the '70 Challenger, the second coolest ever produced.
I had an all original root beer 70 Challenger R/T 440 magnum automatic back in the 1980's but it broke the oil pump drive and spun a main bearing. Even with the engine dead I sold it way way too cheap. Oh well.
Our parents bought cars BEFORE reaganomics' and subsequent tax policies that froze wages for decades and eroded the buying power of the American consumer.
The strike was in the fall of 1970, affecting 1971 model production...development delays kept the new for 1970 Camaro and Firebird from being introduced until after the first of the year. GM kept the '69 spec models seen here in production until the end of 1969. As such, I think it makes a poor comparison.
Brings back memories, was in junior high school when those cars first came out. Chrysler Dodge Plymouth always had great engines, but they never really appealed to the young people of that era ,younger adults back then wanted smaller sportier cars with emphasis fast and cool. And could not compete with Fisherbody in styling and build quality. They totally missed there targeted demographic.ln hindsight if we knew back then these cars would be priceless today they surely would of sold more, they just seem like the cars our parents drove,which wasn't exciting at the time
She's old enough, too be my mother, but heh I'll take something that looks like Miss Challenger any day of the week!! The only downfall to that is you never stop paying for her
Panther Pink interior/Hemi Orange paint. Column shift/basic gauges. How many in this combination could they have produced, no matter the engine? Also had the extra chrome trim. Really cool example.
back then , yup! kind of wish i could find a Vega, Astra, Monza, Skyhawk to drop in a L.S. & clutch to make a real sports compact today. to hell with leg room. i will take a "go baby go" button instead. cut outs would be nice to wake everyone up in the morning. no need to have an alarm clock to get your ass up to go to work or know you are "oh shit i am late". just saying.
@@WALTERBROADDUS sorry to hear that my friend with wish's and dream's of better times. i won't tease you with what i own now. if your an american, try to remember our warmest is your coldest /wettest to driest part of the country. you from the east coast tropical jungle weather? i was from Quebec the land of salt testing(no joke check free V.W.'s to people to drive for testing corrosion etc.)to keep the street's driveable. now i live in middle b.c. and have toy's from days past. Rest-o parts and elbow's today is all that needed besides a job with some expendables and talent's, or pay a guy/lady to do a piece to a complete toy. make it yours in some way or back to stock. what ever floats your dream pocket book or other half(99% her real) partner in life allow's you. m.t.g.t.o.w. p.s. toy's do make them walk and talk funny way's.
YES a COMPACT ! Did you know a 70-74 Challenger is the same length as a 2008-2014 Dodge Avenger !!!! Challenger was a small car ,and the new Challenger is a midsize as even the Charger/300 are under 200 inches long ! Short cars ! The 70-74 Challenger was wider than a 08-14 Avenger but same length !
.......my eternal struggle rages on. Which looks better out of the 1970 E bodies, the Cuda or the Challenger. I usually settle on the Cuda.....but then I watch Vanishing Point and then it's the Challenger. See what I mean? LOL.
I always liked the Pontiac design and they were pretty powerful sports cars. I would have loved to have owned a 1970 Judge or a Firebird. But overall the MoPars beat them all in design and cool colors.
I read through a lot of comments - no-one has picked up the big mistake at 8:20. She runs through the gauges and it is a standard instrument cluster - says "oil pressure" but that is incorrect. Only the Rallye dash had the oil pressure, the ugly Micky Mouse standard cluster did not have that - they had a stupid blank in the last area. However these days you can get a small tacho, or clock, or even a real oil pressure gauge to go in there.
@@mottoloveurlala In terms of 1970 pony cars, I'd have a hard time choosing between the Mercury Cougar or the AMC Javelin. Both extremely nice machines. Also, calling me blind was a real dick move.
NO !! The 70-74 Challenger is SHORT !!!!!! 6 inches short than 2011-2018 300 !! The 300 also is shorter than a Taurus,Genesis many Cadillac cars and over 1 foot shorter than a Genesis !!! Also many BMW,Audi,Mercedes cars are also 1 foot longer and 1,000 pounds heavier ! 300/Charger/Challenger of today are really compact cars of the 60's and 70's..Even today they are not the biggest car around...They are bigger than a Camaro/Mustang/Corvette so people think they are huge,but they are not !
Well today that Camaro and that Firebird are worth a lot more than the Challenger. Even though the 3 of them are classic muscle cars the GM models are above Dodge.
