"Genesis depreciation" is actually much more in-line with the rest of the luxury car world at this point. They hold their value much better than they ever have before...and still a f-ton better than Cadillac.
My 2015 is literally silent inside, lotus did a great job balancing handling and comfort on the previous style, not sure if they designed the chassis on this new one
@@barbecuetechtips6024 I'm pretty sure they tried to exceed the K900, at least with the V-6 version. It reminds me of an early Lexus LS, though without the V-8. It's no doubt quicker, probably roomier (expectations having changed), and even more elegant. It's such a nice interior.
@@dwadd7528 Yea? You point? A lexus is just a toyota, Acura is just a Honda, infiniti is just a Nissan, Audi is just a VW, Lamborghini is just a VW, and Bugatti is just a VW. A good car is a good car, why do you choose to spread your butt cheeks for brands?
@@StuninRub its Hyundai. that's my point. Hyundai KIA cut corners like crazy. thats why the resale value almost nothing. if you like to drive Fake chinese(or Korean) copy, go ahead.
To be honestly they really haven’t. They screwed themselves by trying to upscale Hyundai with the Genesis and Eqqus then turning one upscale model into a brand. They also have a horrible dealer network and most of them are connected to Hyundai which buyers looking for luxury cars won’t stop at. They needed to go the Honda/Acura route and make a luxury division from the start. Acura was so successful it was outselling Mercedes and BMW when it came out, so then Toyota copied with Lexus and Nissan copied with INFINITI, all solely due to how successful Acura was as a Japanese luxury brand. So Genesis really hasn’t done anything. They make beautiful cars for sure but no one is buying them because no one knows where to buy one and the general public doesn’t know what Genesis is.
@@MrCYChung what :D did you even watch the review? their reliability, like Hyundais is right next to likes of Toyota. I would love to buy one if they would be sold in Europe. I find German cars soooo boring that anything else seems like a breath of fresh air. Nice Mustang on your profile pic though, some of those have luckily made here as well.
Another outstanding review from the very best. No "Demuro" type of clowning nor 500 words per minute speech. Please keep doing what you're doing. Happy Holidays!
Best used car bargain on the market! 2016 G80 Technology pkg, bought in 08/2019 for $22k CDN ($17,200 USD) with 77,000 kms (48k miles). Perfect history. The depreciation gods are smiling!
Good for you Kris Cote. May you live a healthy and a long life to happily enjoy your G80. It's always to read and hear a good story - which is becoming increasingly rare. Congratulations bro.
@@sshah2545 I love it. He's normally dry, but every now and then, hahahahah, it's great comedy. I totally appreciate he's working to entertain us. I am abundantly entertained.
I just think the grill is waaay too big... the proportions seem off. If the just had something breaking it up it would look so much better... but tastes are different i guess. Rest looks great tho.
@@Mr.Marbles I think the grille is definitely excessive but I really respect how Genesis made it look so unique. None of it's competition looks similar.
When I bot a 335d in '11, I called local BMW dealer asking for quote for oil service. He said, "$235". After I hung up, he called back apologizing for misquoting the price. I was momentarily relieved, but then he said, "I was wrong. It's $285." Later, at the parts counter, I was charged $16 for a liter of DEF in BMW's special, non-reusable filler neck bottle. Reminded me of the old joke where a sales clerk said to a customer, "Thank you for not saying anything about my hunched back." The customer replied, "Hunched back? Hell, everything else in here is so high, I thought it was your ass!"
Beautiful car and likely very reliable - Mercedes and BMW need to take note. I am personally fed up with poor German reliability, high parts pricing and a consistently poor service experience based on the 4 German cars that we have leased over the past 8 years.
I think Genesis made some good improvements with this gen, most notable being the development of its own unique design language. No one can say this looks like "everything else", for better or worse.
You would think. But plenty people do on Genesis ads on my FB. They're projecting that onto their own biases because this car has its own unique design language as you state.
@@benjaminsmith2287 it's frustrating. It's just a special criticism reserved for Korean products I suppose. And then when Hyundai does make something unique, it's "ugly". They can't win I suppose lol
@@attananightshadow and how do you know that? Lol. There are plenty of Lexus’s in the shop of who have under 100k miles. Being a Lexus fanboy isn’t an argument....
@@JacesOwnWorld track record. Outliers don't define the rule. And the rule is Toyota is still world leading in reliability. Due to everything from engineering to assembly line to factory worker ethics.
@@JacesOwnWorld i've never owned or long term driven a toyota product in my life, but drive roughly 90,000kms per year. i've also worked for and been invested in companies that run independent fleets of dozens of vehicles that do similar yearly mileage. most had a minimum spec that vehicles needed to last 400,000kms with minimal maintenance. I've yet to run into a fleet controller that would take a dozen sonotas over a dozen camry's with that target mileage in mind. you on the other sure sound like a fanboy... i could be wrong. i try not to make assumptions about people i don't know.
I bought a G70 last year. The car is fantastic but he dealer experience is atrocious. None were interested to find me the car I really wanted and I ended up buying one in Arizona and have it shipped to TN. Valet service is a nice touch but each service had issues, they really need to work on the dealership experience.
No folding rear seats: NO SALE -- under any circumstances. That was a really stupid decision. I love sedans and not SUVs, but they gotta have some utility with the folding rear seat. The Germans have had folding rear seats in their mid sized sedans for DECADES now (their main competition). Totally unacceptable.
All of your car reviews are always a pleasure to watch. The Genesis brand is really on its A game with its newer product, the G80 and GV80 are no exceptions to this. I’d love to see your full in depth reviews on other hotly anticipated new vehicles like the new Chevrolet Suburban and Ford F-150. Keep up the good reviews!
@@agreatd what didn’t they poach! Kia, Hyundai,Genesis or any other Chinese brand has not invented tech but used the innovations from the leaders. Reason why it’s cheaper. Before all your keyboard warriors start know you facts
The way you guys discussed/analyzed this vehicle, and the company as a whole, was superb. Hyundai/Genesis would be wise to meet with you in a boardroom and consult over these points/topics.
Absolute BEST car review channel on YT. Love your format/approach to your videos, CANDID words, and the depth in which you go into the details. Thanks, Rich.
I definitely agree. I currently own a G80 and have to get it serviced at a Hyundai dealership. Don't get me wrong, I love Hyundais. But it's just straight up weird when my loaner vehicle is an Elantra or Accent.
@@mato8225 Thats what I’m saying. I work a corporate job, and the people that these car companies are targeting are high income professionals. Most of the time they’ll just go with an established brand because they don’t delve too much into the details and “value” isn’t what drives their decision (if value really mattered, you could get a tricked out Toyota Avalon with every creature comfort)
because when people spend that kind of money for that kind of car and want it to last a long time they end up with an acura or a lexus. if they're looking for a short term image car, smart people, like my dentist, will typically lease an Audi/BMW/Mercedes for 24-36 months, rinse, repeat.
The previous G80 was amazing. I rented a 5.0 Ultimate on Turo and was floored by how smooth and quiet it was. I'm happy to see Genesis is still providing comfort first.
5:06 manual peasant blockers demo had me crying! I think Genesis is nailing these new products. They are designing and tuning for the market segment, hitting the nail on the head. The dealership experience is a huge failing. That alone will kill it for many. Lexus makes a great product, but the dealer experiences of all the luxury brands is a big reason we go back and buy and lease continually.
Lol, I laughed out loud when I watched that part. I understand the dealership experience part, but I have to be honest, at least here in Seattle, the nearby Mercedes and Audi dealership experience has also been a bit crap. One of the bmw dealership is good, but the other less so. Maybe not traditional Hyundai or (worse) Nissan bad, but… it narrows the gap. (I have ownership and shopping experience with all the above). My main point is… between their competitors failing and Genesis pushing upward, they’re steadily closing the gap. Kind of cool to watch it happen, tbh.
Lol, I laughed out loud when I watched that part. I understand the dealership experience part, but I have to be honest, at least here in Seattle, the nearby Mercedes and Audi dealership experience has also been a bit crap. One of the bmw dealership is good, but the other less so. Maybe not traditional Hyundai or (worse) Nissan bad, but… it narrows the gap. (I have ownership and shopping experience with all the above). My main point is… between their competitors failing and Genesis pushing upward, they’re steadily closing the gap. Kind of cool to watch it happen, tbh.
Oh please buy one. I have the 2018 G80. That is a gem of a car. There is a reason they don't make anymore GS. mmmmm. I know one of them because I owned 3. One 3rd gen. 2 4th generation. I drove Lexus for 20 yrs until I went for another GS my dealer of 20 yrs said no mo. They are discontinued. Yes the GS is done. My own dealer said hey go buy that G80. It's better than the GS an that's one of the reasons that the GS is going ghost. One of the reasons. The other? They jus didn't sale. But that G80 or the one I have now? Does knock the GS out. I've drove those GS's. Had my GENISIS FOR 2 YRS NOW. I will have the 2021 in November of 21. The best thing happened to me is the GS got discontinued and I loved my GS. Lexus the company is lazy. Great cars reliable but lazy. Trying to take ur money for less car. Genisis which is a excellent car gives you more for your money. Go figure.
oooO guys genesis is doing THAT well that some random comment says they have 70k they could drop on this car maybe we should take genesis serious now huh??🤔
Nice car. Have you ever put Shell V- power nitro+ 91 octane premium on your 3.8 L if so did it make a difference/have you noticed a difference in performamce vs the other brands premium octane & 87 ?
Awesome review mark of the undercarriage of the G 80 especially showing all the bits and pieces that allow the car to be quiet like the rubber isolators
This. Hoovie changed my mind on these luxury turned sports car. So I went for an older Volvo. Cushy leather seats AWD and a float feel suspension. The seats dont have to pinch you, it's nice to sprawl and cruise.
A+ on the cinematography, music, editing and overall content (of course). You always have superb videos... but this one is among the best of 2020. The music gave it a Hitchcock feel. I liked the “night time” shot that shows the interior lighting. I would like to see that in all of your reviews. Good work!
Did he just say you will lease it because of the "depreciation".... Okay after selling cars for a while i realized Americans have a hard time understanding how this wokrs.... a Lease is a rental agreement in which you agree to pay the Depreciation of the vehicle and some build in interest while the vehicle is in your hands. There for if a car depreciates faster then other cars you are by NO MEANS ESCAPING THAT, YOU ARE THE ONE PAYING IT. Also because it's a new vehicle in depreciates most under the lease.....
@Maciej Badower that's pretty much correct I like cars that are say 3-4year old with 20-40k miles I know I'll get another 70k out no problem for me that's 5-6years
From what other reviewers have said that tested the dBs, the cabin is the second quietest vehicle they have ever tested. Only bested by a Mercedes S Class Maybach I believe.
thats just nonsense... This car is nowhere near a standard S-Class, A8 or 7-series in the refinement chapter. Including noise insulation. And theres even the G90 to account for... What, are the folks at Genesis crazy and made the mid size sedan better than the full sized one? Absolute nonsense. Any of the 6L E Class hybrid Mercs are probably even more quiet than this due to the superior powertrain. Volvos are insanely quiet too. DB count does nothing. A single variable test is incapable of determining the noise level of a cars cabin. Not that long ago Ford Fusions and S-Max used to be top 10 in these lists, and those cars are not top 10 on noise insulation in real life.
@@AI-qd4vb Next time, come with facts, not your overblown German car worship. I'll take the word of actual car experts that test these kind of things for a living over someone who obviously loves German cars above all else.
The top waterfall is a frequency response chart where the second graph is on the back and towards you is a timeaxis. Idealy the frequency graph is smooth and it dampens out in time, the lower frequencies rumble on a bit. The bottom graph is harmonic distortion and that should be low.
the depreciation is insane on any luxury car, look at the cost of 3-4 yo german luxury car, dont see any better depreciation. Especially at the 7 series or s class level.
Another great review. I'm not crazy about that humongous grill. The flip side of the depreciation problem is affordability on the used car market. I bought a 2016 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 in February and got a really quiet, luxurious, well-appointed car with over 20,000 miles left on the factory warranty for just under $22k. I love the torque, effortless acceleration and sound of the naturally aspirated 3.8L V6. It's the quietest car I've ever owned and has a terrific 15-speaker sound system. The clarity and sound stage is awesome and the bluetooth connection is much faster than the one in my 2014 Accord. It's not as agile as my Accord, so I totally agree about the handling. It feels like a big car and doesn't corner as responsively as I'd like. There's a little creak from the panoramic sunroof on cold mornings with the shade open, but you can close it and the noise goes away. That's my only gripe. Despite the lack of premium dealer experience, the build quality is excellent. According to CR, the Hyundai and Genesis brands are more reliable and have better customer satisfaction ratings than Honda, Acura, Cadillac and most other brands. It's a solid value all around.
Read a rumor over on Parlor that Jack and Turbowski have been scheming behind your back and are planning their own auto review channel titled Furious Ducks.
I looked at the 2017/2018 used prices and they’re not as cheap as everyone thought. The rate of depreciation is really not any greater than comparable bmws. But I’m sure they’re much more reliable than a comparable bmw.
This is why I watch you. People don’t realize the dealer experience and depreciation is a big turn off. I see everyone in comments going on about the G70 and how it’s a better bet than a 3 Series or C Class but many haven’t actually bought or leased new ones. I have and seriously looked at a G70 and G80. Dealing with a Hyundai dealership can be excruciatingly aggravating. I hope and pray it gets better but between that and the depreciation it’s a solid no for me still.
Let's appreciate a major design factor for the North East and Canada. Extensive aluminum suspension components extends the longevity of the vehicles in addition of the weight and design advantages. Lexus/Acura/Mazda are not doing it so let give credit to where it is earned (German vehicles and perhaps Genesis from now on).
We went from last gen G80 to Volvo XC90. Absolutely love the XC90, would be an easy re-lease, however, I do miss the quietness of the 80, so we may get lured back in the next two years, maybe to the SUV or even back into the G80. For us, it was the level of luxury, refinement for the dollar and lack of brand recognition/public perception. I place a high value on Genesis' ability to provide higher levels of luxury while laying low. The Bowers system in the XC90 is incredible, but the Lexicon is no slouch either and the isolated interior certainly helps. Amazing review as always.
This is a super quality review. Especially when you cover what it looks like below and an overview of the suspensions. Impressive. With that said I wish Genesis went with hybrid lineup instead of turbo.
There's a reason I'm subscribed to this channel, and that is because you guys share something in common with me. We all appreciate the finer things in life when it comes to cars. You are car enthusiasts while not going stupid overboard like some of those Brits do. You two are sensible and practical American car enthusiasts with whom I can greatly relate to. That being said, your perspective on the G80 is a little skewed. You mentioned that the top engine in the G80 isn't as great as the top engines in the Germans'. Yes, that is a true statement but do you think that a buyer looking at the G80 is thinking in those terms? I don't think someone looking at a M550i or M5 is cross shopping a G80.
I think the depreciation part will be better with this generation. Since the first gen had some identity crisis. This one along with newer models from genesis have much more consistency. Plus they just look more luxurious.
I nearly purchased a G70 two weeks ago. The dealership experience was horrid. They weren't selling a 45k G70. They acted like they were selling a elantra. It was horrible.
The current K900 is actually derived from the Stinger's platform, which itself is a derivation of the DH Genesis platform. We'll have to see if Kia is actually excluded - I'm sure they'd like to use the new platform for a Mohave replacement.
Dude you make this car look big. I'm a g80 owner, 2016 and was waiting for this so bad.. then I saw it next to my car... and its so small.. I was so sad.. I'm 6'5 lots of pounds. But its still pretty.. but luckily mine is still pretty too!!
I was anticipating getting a GV80 but, like your experience, my dealership experience from just discussing the vehicle did not go as I expected. I decided not to wait and instead got a 2021 BMW X5 xDrive 45e. The BMW drives amazingly, but has a very small 2nd row. Perhaps in 3 years Genesis will have worked out their dealership experience and I will consider them.
Have they fixed the defects in the hybrid BMWs yet? Heard it was an issue. Come to think of it, seems to be an issue with a lot of hybrids and new EVs from traditional ICE manufacturers.
Thank you for getting rid of the “without Scott turbowski” bit...it was a nice nod, but it was time for him to go off to the great pasture in the sky with Grammie Goose
Depreciation on ALL mainstream luxury cars is bonkers. So I'm not sure this is a valid concern for those shopping in this segment. Unless we're saying, all luxury vehicles should be leased? Further, with 100,000 mile warranty, it seems like this is more of "buy" and not lease car. On the other hand, we all know what happens to German luxury after 3 years or 36,000 miles.
actually, Hyundai grabbed Peter Schreyer from the Audi/VW group in 2005 or so... he's credited with the original TT and that badass A4 in 2000 that finally got Audi rolling again...
21:21 - I bought my 2015 5.0L in part due to your review on the car a few years ago. It really bummed me out as you described how close you got to buying one. It has become the very best vehicle I have ever owned, so I hope you give them another shot some day. Cheers!
I bought a 2015 3.8L. Nice car but the temperature control regulation of the car left a lot to be desired as it blew cold air once the cabin heated up. Traded it in for a Truck.
This new G80, despite the added power of the 3.5T and reduction in weight, is slower to 60mph and the 1/4 mile when compared to the 2018-2020 G80 Sport with the 3.3T. That car weighed 300lbs more than this new one. Not sure if the new transmission tuning has something to do with it, or if this new engine's combustion is being restricted for emission purposes. Could also explain why Hyundai/Kia opted not to feature this engine in the G70 and Stinger. Perhaps it needs extra tuning and is not yet ready for prime time performance like the 3.3T. Any thoughts on this, Savagegeese?
In the late 1980s Hyundai and Dawoo were the only manufacturers to be selling low quality throw away disposable cars that were lucky to last you 30K miles without a major overhaul. What a difference 30 years make.
