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Genesis G80 driving REVIEW! How it💪 challenges E-Class, 5-Series and A6! 

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@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 3 года назад
This is our in-depth review of the Genesis G80 (here as 2.5 t 300 hp AWD). We're taking a look at Exterior, Interior and the driving experience. ►Follow us on Instagram @autogefuehl and @thomas.letsgo ►Subscribe here: ru-vid.com ►Compare the Mercedes E-Class: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6S0gfezQtxI.html ►Compare the Audi A6: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1uLrjslZCQM.html ►Compare the BMW 5-Series: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fstJ07Br8co.html ►Compare the DS9: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-s0l3BB2wp1s.html 00:00 Introduction 00:28 Exterior - a Bentley for 50,000 $ ? 02:35 Lights / turning indicator check 03:14 Engines: EV and ICE versions 03:55 Pricing and interior 05:53 Seating 08:13 Cockpit overview 10:41 Infotainment, instruments, HUD 12:29 Hidden luxury details! 13:19 Exclusive rear seating 17:46 Remote parking inside & outside 20:46 Driving 2.5 t 300 hp AWD 24:44 Motorway German Autobahn with high speed test 27:16 Minimum fuel consumption 27:31 What to compare now?
@gregsullivan7408
@gregsullivan7408 3 года назад
Nope - not in depth - you didn't show us the boot AT ALL, and nor did you mention that all those other German sedans have folding seats, whereas the G80 doesn't.
@user-26394
@user-26394 3 года назад
I m korean, We usually call chauffeurs as 'Gimgisa' 김기사 or driver Kim(common surname). Gisa means driver. Btw, hyundai has come a long way to have their cars reviewed in autogefuhl! I m really proud
@user-26394
@user-26394 3 года назад
@@yoon9724 chauffeur 말하는거 아녜요?
@yoon9724
@yoon9724 3 года назад
@@user-26394 아하 그렇군요 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 왜 셰퍼든가 했네요 햇갈리지 않게 후딱 지웠습니다
@user-26394
@user-26394 3 года назад
@@yoon9724 이분 목소리가 좋아서 잘때 틀어놓고 자면 꿀잠자요 ㅎㅎ
@pmpbuhgm
@pmpbuhgm 3 года назад
I was waiting for this, no one would review this car like a German reviewer like Mr. Thomas with his special attention to details.
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 3 года назад
in your service!
@johnnettleton1240
@johnnettleton1240 3 года назад
Very impressive review and like your humour. But did I miss the comments about the boot luggage area ?
@Maximum_Swag_Engaged
@Maximum_Swag_Engaged 3 года назад
I was waiting for this. The expert on BMW, Audi, Mercedes reviewing the Genesis!
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 3 года назад
cheers m8 =)
@peopleschamp1118
@peopleschamp1118 3 года назад
@@autogefuehl I've also waited a long time for this, as I'm thinking of getting a Genesis next. Thomas will you also review the GV70? A very sexy SUV, as I think. Thumbs up for your inspiring content!
@wrightcodyj
@wrightcodyj 3 года назад
I love German cars with a passion, but man.. I'd buy this car right now if I could. It has a serene quality to it.
@michaelschneider-
@michaelschneider- 3 года назад
@Cody Wright .. +1. The 10yr/100K mi new car warranty of the Genesis is no joke. ..
@luxurreview
@luxurreview 3 года назад
Your attention to details like the sound when you touch the wood, the feel of the switch, the sound of the electric motors and every tiny feature like you read the owners manual it’s amazing and something most automotive journalist doesn’t have.
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 3 года назад
highly appreciated, feel free to recommend us =)
@user-26394
@user-26394 3 года назад
I m korean, We usually call chaffeurs as 'Gimgisa' or driver Kim(common surname). Gisa means driver. Btw, hyundai has come a long way to have their cars reviewed in autogefuhl! I m really proud
@jamesjm88
@jamesjm88 3 года назад
In Korean you will say "Kim Ki Sa (김기사)" which means "chauffeur Kim." Kim is the most common last name in Korea.
@axelfiraxa
@axelfiraxa 3 года назад
And your name is James
@jj660
@jj660 3 года назад
@@axelfiraxa I think its normal for koreans who speak english to have english names. In fact, for most asian countries i guess cause its hard to pronounce asian names in english lol
@Izmirkitty
@Izmirkitty 3 года назад
ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 맞네 김기사 ㅋㅋㅋ 찰떡이다 ㅋㅋㅋ
@성이름-w6o1y
@성이름-w6o1y 3 года назад
@@jj660 right i also made my eng name
@kinocchio
@kinocchio 3 года назад
I love this car. Can’t wait for it to launch in the U.K. Very interested in the electrified model.
@michalklucz6907
@michalklucz6907 3 года назад
can't wait for their ev suvs/crossovers. something fancier than VW while hopefully not so expensive as tesla X or EQC
@dashgerhg8772
@dashgerhg8772 3 года назад
Geeez...never thought the Genesis will make it through Mr Thomas!! This brand came from long way back in such short time and then gets the approval from Mr Thomas!!! Unbelievable!!!!👌👌👌
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 3 года назад
😀
@avenue5880
@avenue5880 3 года назад
so excited to see genesis coming to europe
@anasevi9456
@anasevi9456 3 года назад
Same, the car is absolutely stunning, styling focus of the G70, G80 and G90 reminds me of the coherence BMW had with the E46, E39 and E38. I hope other manufacturers relearn this importance from Genesis, and that Genesis succeeds in europe.
@Vivra_Verra____
@Vivra_Verra____ 3 года назад
You’re definitely one of my favorite reviewers. You just explain things well and the videos all end up bringing a calming sensation like a ASMR video. Keep up the good work!
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 3 года назад
thanks feel free to recommend =)
@nap250
@nap250 3 года назад
Capacitive buttons are "BS to control", preach it Thomas!
@faeinthebay
@faeinthebay 3 года назад
I'm an owner of the previous generation and I'm impressed to see how Genesis has improved the style while keeping the quality and value. My favorite trait is how heavy everything makes the car feel substantial and heavy, from really well-tuned steering to a deep door closing sound. And the torque vectoring AWD system is quite good, you can send almost all the power to the rear and disable both traction and stability control.
@robertechert9103
@robertechert9103 3 года назад
Can't wait to see one in person! Thomas, great job.. as usual 💪
@androo4519
@androo4519 3 года назад
Succeeds where the DS9 fails. Hyundai did a good job. Just needs a steering wheel that doesn't look like they got it out of a 1990s Chrysler.
@doctoremil2678
@doctoremil2678 3 года назад
There will be a sport package with a different steering wheel. You can take that.
@jeffwilliams6374
@jeffwilliams6374 7 месяцев назад
I like this guy, he is very thorough and not biased…
@steveince6732
@steveince6732 3 года назад
Great review. Loving the “tone” of recent output too. Don’t know if it’s deliberate but you’re striking the perfect balance between delivering information and entertainment.
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 3 года назад
thanks so much my friend, feel free to recommend us =)
@Frederick0220
@Frederick0220 3 года назад
The G80 may be the best midsize sedan but I’ve gotta point out this dude’s jawline could cut butter!
@VincentVerb
@VincentVerb 3 года назад
My E class needs to go in 2022, this one is defenately on my shortlist!
@sbomorse
@sbomorse 3 года назад
I'm glad they're bringing this to the UK. It's a really nice looking saloon.
@rickcastellione2267
@rickcastellione2267 3 года назад
I always thought British people looked down on Korean cars
@sbomorse
@sbomorse 3 года назад
You'd be surprised. The quality is so good now, they are up there with the class leaders and the great warranties also make them an easy sell to older folk. My Nan bought a new Hyundai and said that with the 5 year warranty it would last her out....
@ajtam05
@ajtam05 3 года назад
@@rickcastellione2267 As a Korean it was common in the 90’s & early 2000’s to associate Korean cars with subpar quality. They had a late start to vehicle manufacturing (only since the mid 80’s for mass production). But just like the country, cars too have exponentially improved in a short period of time. But Genesis is still new so I anticipate another 10-15 years before it’s solidified as the same as Lexus, BMW, Benz without anyone even questioning it.
@ajtam05
@ajtam05 3 года назад
I’m waiting for my GV70 launch edition. I personally think it’s the best of the current designs (inside/out). I live in the states and I’d love to get the wagon, but we don’t get it (you guys are lucky enough to get it tho). Lucky!
@TonyDelMonte
@TonyDelMonte 3 года назад
@@ajtam05 Yes, very much so. I think that the Korean car-manufacture journey is following a similar path to what the Japanese experienced a couple of decades earlier. And the Chinese are now starting to experience a similar journey (from economic so-so cars to good ones). However, selling a premium Korean or Japanese car in Europe is more difficult than in the US, because the Europeans are generally very traditional in this segment, and tend to prefer the Mercedes, Audi and BMW badges. Much more so than Americans.
@pubowalijatt
@pubowalijatt 3 года назад
Thanks Thomas for regularly raising the issue of leather usage on the name of premium interior. Kudos to your genuine efforts 👏
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 3 года назад
Highly appreciated, means a lot!
@goodmangillman
@goodmangillman 3 года назад
Greetings from South Korea! I never thought I'd see Thomas speak so highly of a Korean car. His stinger review from way back made it pretty clear that he's not an easy man to impress when it comes to cars.
@JohnSmith-nz4bn
@JohnSmith-nz4bn 3 года назад
Anyone else miss the "...in full length, full screen and full HD. Let's go!" This and the Peugeot video have spun me out.
@owahab
@owahab 3 года назад
Looking sharp as always, Thomas. Servus!
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 3 года назад
thanks my friend =)
@mouhamedcisse3162
@mouhamedcisse3162 3 года назад
Will you also review the new GV70? I think it’s as good as the German competitors as well
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 3 года назад
sure we will !
@keithjeffery7775
@keithjeffery7775 3 года назад
I like the steering wheel because it is old school, no ugly cheap shiny black plastic, seems a great car all round.
@Bosna293
@Bosna293 3 года назад
Interior is beautiful
@Vectorebike
@Vectorebike 3 года назад
Interested to see electric version!
@swanblake
@swanblake 3 года назад
Love the design inside ad out. Bespoke and elegant. No piano black plastic inside is refreshing and un-German like. Actual hard buttons is Appreciated as well. Love the steering wheel. A refreshing take on luxury that isn't all about having you teeth rattle loose while driving. Proper luxury offering.
@marcoromo3148
@marcoromo3148 3 года назад
Finally it's here! I was waiting for this review for a long time.
@masterphoenixpraha
@masterphoenixpraha 3 года назад
I love the old school steering wheel from one point of view. If you look at the climate control unit, it looks like old school radio with two turning knobs... And together for me it fits perfectly.
@eric4758
@eric4758 3 года назад
Chauffeur in Korean is called “기사” which is pronounced like gee-saa. (pronounce “g” as in “get”) Very informative review of the G80. Thumbs up
@fakamada
@fakamada 3 года назад
What an effort from Koreans! They have made a perfect competitor to others from scratch in auch a small period of time. Respect is all I can say.
@flo_fet
@flo_fet 3 года назад
4:06 You put the black one on your left hand side pocket, don't forget it ! ;)
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 3 года назад
ahahahahha yes !!
@peterambrose2148
@peterambrose2148 3 года назад
I dont mind genesis steering Cause it looks different for every model and it color codes the interior Whereas in the germans they all use the same steering wheel design ( especially bmw where you can find an m sport steering from a m760li in a 2i8i)
@yes8032
@yes8032 3 года назад
That car is gorgeous thomas im really interested in the brand
@BryanChance
@BryanChance Год назад
Your wardrobe is awesome. It goes with the each car in your review. Very nice touch. And of course your reviews are second to none!
@AVshowreports
@AVshowreports 3 года назад
Thomas, again another great review. You are the best video reviewer for higher performance cars. Love your work! (I do the same in audio). I have a 18 G80 5.0 and it is far better than the Mercedes E class.
@zoid9969
@zoid9969 3 года назад
Impressive, very impressive. I hope the future non-leather seating options aren't just restricted to the EV models.
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 3 года назад
yes indeed!
@etbadaboum
@etbadaboum 3 года назад
Very impressive car. I hope they'll have a great success in Europe.
@alpher3512
@alpher3512 3 года назад
And change the steering wheel lul
@etbadaboum
@etbadaboum 3 года назад
@@alpher3512 I like it, I don't find old fashioned.
@bubberlad
@bubberlad 3 года назад
the greatest hurdle in the way of that would be the engine. 2.5t is both too small and too inefficient for this size of car, and the bigger engines get quite expensive i believe.
@etbadaboum
@etbadaboum 3 года назад
@@bubberlad Agreed.
@bubberlad
@bubberlad 3 года назад
@@AI-qd4vb yes. you can get a new 6 cylinder diesel 530d (fantastic engine) for about 44-50k. according to this video the 4 cylinder genesis will cost over 50k.
@MD-ky2dt
@MD-ky2dt 3 года назад
I observe also korean/asian reviews of cars and Genesis is next level brand in so many aspects. 5-7 years and they will easily compete with BIG 3 (A + B + M). BTW Thomas, great review !
@kenny-Poo
@kenny-Poo 3 года назад
I love the car and intend to buy one. The one important element of this car that cannot be appreciated by Thomas's review is the inherent reliability of the Genesis. This will be a far more reliable car than its German competitors. I own a 2009 Genesis and after 100,000 miles it has not needed a single repair. Only tires and batteries. It is a fabulously reliable car. I don't like the steering wheel though and think they could have done a better job with the wheel choice.
@gerrycheshill7452
@gerrycheshill7452 3 года назад
A really nice car.. better thant a lot of high brand, and the DS9 ( even if it s beautiful) saw yesterday, looks older than the genesis. Nice Video as usual, Mr Thomas is a true car lover.
@michalklucz6907
@michalklucz6907 3 года назад
I was waiting for their return for so long.. I hope Genesis will be still there when my current lease ends
@Khicon3112
@Khicon3112 2 года назад
I m still here with you Thomas. Best Car Reviewer on RU-vid. x)
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
Awesome 😎 thanks so much!
@alber.a1232
@alber.a1232 3 года назад
Nice detail that the exhaust PIPES have the same SHAPE as the front GRILL👌🏻 Kudos, Hyundai
@poxer1
@poxer1 3 года назад
It would be great to show the EV too!
@Hercegovac.1
@Hercegovac.1 3 года назад
Very good review 👌 Better looking and more reliable than German cars in this class 👍
@mahaloaloha6819
@mahaloaloha6819 3 года назад
1000% agree with you.
@anotherdeejay
@anotherdeejay 3 года назад
Wowwww, finally in Europe👍👍👍
@chengyoujiang6076
@chengyoujiang6076 3 года назад
This looks significantly better than the DS9 and even a bit better than new E class in my opinion. And, I actually love the steering wheel.
@MundoOval
@MundoOval 3 года назад
Much better design than current BMW models
@aye3678
@aye3678 3 года назад
I think this is one gorgeous car. I love it.
@anotherdeejay
@anotherdeejay 3 года назад
Hope to see soon the g70 shooting break as well
@MICHGO1
@MICHGO1 3 года назад
SAW ONE OF THESE ON THE STREET IN NYC. LOOKED GOOD FROM THE BACK, ALONG THE SIDES, THE HEADLIGHTS... ...THEN BAM! THAT GRILLE JUST RUINS THE FRONT END. BEAUTIFUL INTERIOR THOUGH.
@vepakko
@vepakko 3 года назад
Wow, what an absolute beauty of a car!
@f1alex851
@f1alex851 3 года назад
Thomas' DJ sound: "den den-den den den-den den den-den" instant like for video
@johnnysmile01
@johnnysmile01 3 года назад
Hey Thomas thank you for bringing this beautiful car it really have a wonderful design and I wasn't expecting this level of quality and smoothness amazing.
@almoines1
@almoines1 3 года назад
Please wonderful Thomas, test the Lexus ES 300 H, That is the one missing against the other manufacturers.
@KRONOS-yh2cd
@KRONOS-yh2cd 3 года назад
Yes ,we are ready to see Electric version of this car.
@thezzu
@thezzu 3 года назад
I like the steering wheel, yes it looks old school, hence more luxury focused. Which seams fitting as it's not a sports car, also more ways to grab it comfortably.
@jamesec1949
@jamesec1949 3 года назад
Nice review as always Thomas. I agree with you on the steering wheel. Very attractive auto. Genesis is really raising the bar and I expect the build quality with probably surpass the Germans. One thing, I would like to know the interior DB sound at various speeds. Thank you. Jim 👍
@DIASDEMUSICA
@DIASDEMUSICA 3 года назад
This is clearly more premium car than DS9 is !! Congrats for the review!
@Ali-jx1ub
@Ali-jx1ub 3 года назад
The rear and the side profile looks so great 😀
@aye3678
@aye3678 3 года назад
I think the front looks beautiful, too. With the rear, if I were to own this car, I would remove the Genesis lettering and replace it with a Genesis badge. I think that would look much better. Not a big fan of this new trend where they put the name of the car underneath the rear end badge.
@anasevi9456
@anasevi9456 3 года назад
yep, E-Class looks like a corolla with a fake Mercedes badge next to it. Mercedes , BMW and Audi need to go back to their great design philosophies, which was 1980s for mercedes, 1990s for bmw and 2000s for Audi. Genesis is the king of the 2020s.
@tushitpalamkar9586
@tushitpalamkar9586 3 года назад
Brilliant review Thomas! Really appreciate the fact that the manufacturers are now willing to provide animal friendly seating ...credit for this goes to you too :)
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 3 года назад
thanks so much =)
@corrion1
@corrion1 3 года назад
The styling is classic really, kinda reminds me of what Lexus did when they launched their LS line and dominated the competition back in the late 1980's
@szeshuncheung5681
@szeshuncheung5681 3 года назад
Very well done! Both Thomas and Hyundai!
@shakesnbake
@shakesnbake 3 года назад
Star Trek reference yesterday, Star Wars today - nerds rejoice!! Apart from the steering wheel, really impressed with this. Do you think they will have a market in the EU/Uk compared to the more traditional offerings? I miss the 'Let's go!" at the start of the videos.
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 3 года назад
=)
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 3 года назад
Good question, I mean the pricing is attractive, I guess it depends if you also offer good leasing deals
@DisjointedConversations
@DisjointedConversations 3 года назад
Add me to the very short list of people who like/don’t mind the steering wheel. I’ve been looking for a new car/suv for a while now. We have owned several BMW’s so I’ve been looking at a lot of German cars, but I keep coming back to the G80 and GV80.
@SULFURIOUS
@SULFURIOUS 3 года назад
DS9 and now G80?! You are spoiling us!
@ttl8me
@ttl8me 3 года назад
Great detailed review as usual! Hope you can do a detailed review of the Genesis GV80 as well. Stay safe
@JC130676
@JC130676 3 года назад
This looks remarkably similar to my 2012 Lexus GS 450h. Things like the wood inserts, padding beside the seats to keep you from losing things, large horizontal display, rear sunshades, buttons on the front left seat etc. are also in the GS. They even copied the gloss black parts on the outside of the doors, which is a bad decision because they're fingerprint magnets. The movable rear seats, Apple carplay and remote parking show that this is a much newer car though. The petrol engines are similar as well: the GS is also available with 2.5 liter 4-cylinder (GS 300h) or 3.5 liter V6 (GS 450h) but since they're hybrids they're a bit more powerful and definitely more fuel efficient. All in all I think an electric G80 could be an interesting alternative when I need to replace my GS in, say, 5 or 10 years from now.
@michelebicc6983
@michelebicc6983 3 года назад
Hi Thomas! I agree with you about the steering wheel design: sophisticated, but old school. New GV70 suv comes with a way nicer steering wheel in the “sport” trim, so maybe they’re going to offer that design also in this G80
@MrTheheadlez
@MrTheheadlez 3 года назад
Ja The G80 achieves what the Bentley also does. It gives you a more of a Yacht feeling than sitting in a car. The swooping exterieur lines as well as the nice upholstered intereur. I really approve of this car. The 3.5l V6 is on my to buy list.
@charleslulz6579
@charleslulz6579 3 года назад
Powerfull, reliable and good looking. Genesis FTW!. Great review.
@victor2krk
@victor2krk 3 года назад
Koreans no longer make 'compromise' cheap cars but full fledged automobiles
@madbrendan
@madbrendan 3 года назад
I think the steering wheel has a suitably classy design, I also think if they are trying to launch genesis in Europe they should go full electric and really stand out otherwise it will always be a top of the range Hyundai... Do you know about the UK market?
@chien-shengtsai8626
@chien-shengtsai8626 3 года назад
Steering wheel looks cool!
@faythe03
@faythe03 3 года назад
Please review also the EV version!
@des8893
@des8893 3 года назад
Thomas is so smooth in this video.
@cristianspiridon
@cristianspiridon 3 года назад
Impressive car.. And lovely review! Well done.
@jonpetter8921
@jonpetter8921 3 года назад
Interior refreshing and on par with the germans
@Sergio-ln1dc
@Sergio-ln1dc Год назад
13:54 what a sight 🫣
@johnahsmith1932
@johnahsmith1932 3 года назад
The value for money on this car is insane
@powersliding
@powersliding 2 года назад
great that this is not biased like british journalism...very refreshing
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
Thanks please recommend 😊
@hermetpark
@hermetpark 3 года назад
i'm one of big fan of you, thomas. thanks for great review!
@nongkaihang4560
@nongkaihang4560 3 года назад
Hi thomas,thanks the review😏
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 3 года назад
appreciated!
@fredericoamigo
@fredericoamigo 3 года назад
Cool the se Hyundai step up their game and bring some good competition and innovation to the game:-) About the steering wheel: I agree. Not the best look. Other than that, beautiful interior. Love that you can see the blind spots in the instrument cluster when you change lanes!
@로라-x8y
@로라-x8y 2 года назад
Very sophisticated review indeed!! decided to purchase one 😎 btw what exterior color is that?
@Buslingthorpe
@Buslingthorpe 3 года назад
Tbh I love the steering wheel. It's old school, but classy.
@jfb6922
@jfb6922 3 года назад
Another Professional review. Thank you.
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 3 года назад
Cheers m8!
@pgknighton
@pgknighton 3 года назад
For me the steering wheel I agree, looks 'old school', but in a classy way. The whole package looks very nice. Good competitive alternative to the traditional European manufacturers.
@WYXYXYW
@WYXYXYW 3 года назад
Very rich in info and yet a short time review! Congrats, Thomas! I like its design and sure I would choose it! Cheers 🍻🍻🍻
@jamiep61
@jamiep61 3 года назад
The Best Genesis G80 Video Review 😄
@Alex-vf5yw
@Alex-vf5yw 3 года назад
Thomas you are simply the best...
@lolub437
@lolub437 3 года назад
Why does everyone say the steering is ugly? I love it!
@Grizz-one
@Grizz-one 3 года назад
Great review Autogefühl team!
@cisco9027
@cisco9027 3 года назад
The steering wheel was brought back from the 1990 Buick it’s nice 20 years ago great review as usual.
@-Munditimum-
@-Munditimum- 3 года назад
Truly a beautiful car. Wished they had some luxurious cloth or other fabric options for the interior besides the animal hide. Would love to see the EV version Tomas! Loved the review, and as always great work and production! Cheers!
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 3 года назад
yes indeed! Thanks for caring and we ll keep u updated!
@-Munditimum-
@-Munditimum- 3 года назад
@@autogefuehl Thanks!
@ikielinsesi1843
@ikielinsesi1843 3 года назад
I liked the steering, matches with my taste.
@doncorleon9
@doncorleon9 3 года назад
Thomas reviews 'Like a customer'. Not a journalist. That is why we relate so much to Autogefühl reviews. Have been eyeing the Genesis before it even broke off into it's own brand. Not a merc guy. It comes so close that I have to think about it instead of the BMW's. In a few years German diehards will tip over.
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