I love the acknowledgement of the current automotive economics - most people are putting themselves way too far in debt for their automotive want, rather than their automotive need. That's the sort of truth you get here that you won't get on many other review sites. It makes clicking here worth your time.
@@spencertahan9814 To be fair your Gladiator will impress teenage boys and make you feel like the man until 5 years later when you're still making payments and the novelty has worn off
I feel the smartest people during this pandemic are buying used CR-Vs and RAV-4s. Reliable, affordable and still known to have many many miles left in them.
Not only way to far in debt with their payment but don't forget the d word. DEPRECIATION! Buy the vehicle and hold it based on need. My last 2 auto purchases were a 97 Pontiac Grand Prix SE (Baes Model) and a 2002 Acura RSX also the base Model. They get me where I need to go safely. I have the money I did not spend on more and more cars because I thought I wanted something. Be smart!
Covid has helped car buying consumers most of all. It really has changed the dealer experience for the better (for consumers) . I've had several friends who have had to buy cars recently and all have really enjoyed the new rules. To give a few examples. They liked how they started online and were able to get the inventory item and payment locked in outside of a hard sell environment, and once there they had limits on people inside so they were taken to the car and paperwork and got in and went without hassle.
I was just thinking, if you were someone who bought a car during the first couple months of chaos, boy did you get a deal. 0% interest with no payments for 24 months? Hahaha.
You are one thousand percent correct on the Kia dealer experience. In the SF bay area, I tried to purchase a new Soul, and was interested in the Seltos as well. The dealers start negotiating from a $3k mark up. They treat me like a dumb ass, and use every sleazy trick out there. I hear this about service as well. Those wonderful warranties that Kia/Hyundai offer look good on paper, but get tricky when something comes up. This is too bad, as they have some appealing products. Cross shopping Ford(which I know you do not like) was the total opposite. No games, great deals. I haven't yet purchased, but after buying over 25 new cars, I was not impressed with Kia dealers.
Yeah, I'm still waiting on a return of Cash 4 Clunkers or tax-free auto purchases or other irresistibly high incentives before making my purchase. I've been waiting too long, and now having sold all my "tangible automotive stock" (ie. my old pickup) at stupid high prices, I'm getting desperate for desperate times to return.
well Unemployment has skyrocketed worldwide with most places going to about 10% unemployment (average - not based on actual data) and every 1% unemployment increase leads to 38,500 deaths and so that's 385000 deaths from unemployment add to the number of suicides caused by people getting into too much debt that they could never be able to repay which is (Couldn't get any figures so I'd assume its about at least 15% of total suicides) and that's a huge figure of people killing themselves this year and that's *not* including the people who will in the future become unemployed when companies like GM, Ford, FCA-PSA, BMW, Daimler AG (or at least the Mercedes-Benz Brand dies out), Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance, Toyota (not including the sowing machine business) is forced to close after raking in too much debt and seeing market share decline faster than the economy of the USSR or the PRC due to new competition from the likes of Tesla Inc. and Lucid Motors Inc. and that'll be huge. And so in the long term its more likely to be another 1929 stock market crash but with vehicle manufactures crashing their market share instead of stocks and bonds and then theres the petrodollar dying leading to huge numbers of suicides in the oil dependent middle east leading to massive unemployment figures in the long term
Was looking at some kia/hyundai for sure, though from Savage and others video's, wife is quite excited to be getting a Mazda cx-5 in the next few months. A bit pricier than I want, but I do like the attempts of being a little upscale.
@@danneu8 well sir you know nothing about Indian automobile market...nanos and Swifts is now a thing of past ...you have no idea how many SUVs and crossovers brands offer here and how much Indians love SUVs 😄
I think Kia still needs to learn how to properly tune the transmissions. I used to have a Stinger GT, and while is not double clutch, it has regular torque converter, it also feels sluggish, hard shifts, feels un finished. Now driving BMW auto transmissions, the difference is huge. Kia is doing great work, hope they fine tune their transmissions to be on par with the competition.
Great review as always, but why would anyone buy this when CRVs and RAV4s can be had for similar money? The dealership experience and resale value alone should scare you away.
As a maniac, my 2017 6mt base Civic sedan will leave this turbo 4wheel drive in the dust. Even more crazy, my civic is $180/by-weekly for 60month, while Turbo Seltos is $325/bi-weekly for 60month. If this is the cheap alternative, I'm screwed for my next purchase.
Had a Sonata with a dual-clutch and I agree 100%. I thought all dual clutches were bad, then I drove some VW/Audi's... Hyundai/Kia needs to give up on dual clutches for normal cars and use their (actually good) CVTs.
yup VW/AUDI/PORSCHE make the best dual clutches in the game along with some of the best cars as well. Hyundai/Kia try to mimic VW Group all the time and honestly its a good idea because they have driving dynamics at the forefront.
That comment of the dealers is so true for Kia, Hyundai I went in thinking about getting a Stinger and by the end of ordeal they lowered the rate $150 bucks and were saying this deal would only happen today. And kept trying to convince me to buy today when I said first hand I’m just checking out a couple of potential cars nothing to serious. Then ended up calling me constantly for two weeks. Now I’ll never go and test drive at a Kia dealer rather do Turo haha.
In 1985 I remember riding in a KIA Pongo minivan and had no idea that 35 years later I would be driving a Soul. It is amazing how far KIA has come. I was not impressed with the first generation Soul and as with the Seltos, not impressed. I've owned a 2005 Optima LX, a 2013 Rio, a 2016 Soul + and now, a 2021 Soul EX. Seltos? Who came up with that name? And I'm not impressed with KIA's color choices. I've never had the dual clutch transmission and because of this video I'm kinda glad. The newly designd IVT transmission is nice and doesn't do that yo-yo thing like it's predecessor. It was -6° F today. Why would anyone put heated seats in a car but not a heated steering wheel? I was hoping that the Soul would be available in AWD by now but...no. The new 2.0L is better than the previous 2.0L. I like the way the Soul display is integrated into the dash better than the Seltos. I'll wait for the second generation Seltos. However, the Seltos would look sharp with the Undercover Green and dark rims.
It's all well and good that you're pushing for us to get the turbo but up here in Kanuckistan the turbo sells for a 9500 dollar surcharge , and the basic packaging doesn't come with turbo , only a lowly 2.0 liter glorified vacuum cleaner.
The Venue looks very European, either French or Italian. Cute as a bug. It's surprisingly roomy for such a tiny car, too, though at the expense of cargo space. At an auto show at the end of last year I was startled at how pleasant it felt overall for an entry-level vehicle, though the hard door armrests and lack of a center armrest seemed like poor places to cut costs.
With a DCT, the manufacturer gets to boast of slightly better fuel economy numbers. I'd prefer a well-designed conventional automatic. Hopefully, H/K will, as well, at some point.
KIA Seltos rear Aircon vent blowing warm air when Aircon temperature is set at 25 degree celsius and outside environmental temperature is above 34 degree celsius, their service work shop claimed that is normal. During the visit on 26 Apr 2021, inspection was carried out on the vehicle’s Heating, Ventilation and Air Conditioning System; the values such as Ambient Temperature Sensor, Evaporator Temperature Sensor, photo sensor, In-car air temperature sensor and other related values that maintain the operation of the climatic air-conditioning system. We did not find any abnormalities in the values and all sensors and actuators are functioning normally and a diagnostic scan with the manufacturer’s diagnostic scanner did not report any diagnostic trouble codes. These data was also inspected and compared to 2 other similar vehicles and the performance was found to be similar and thus the vehicle’s air-conditioning system was judged to be operating normally. That's radiculous and sily.
The side silhouette looks A LOT like the Volvo XC40, to me. Kia is notorious for being a copy cat. The good thing, they cannot ever come close to the interior quality of a Volvo. I have an XC40 -- LOVE IT. I just get irritated when I see companies trying to copy a good thing. Be original.
These things would have been in the design phase long before the XC40 came out. The resemblance is mainly in the kick up in the window glass behind the rear door, and that's hardly original to Volvo.
It commits the three cardinal sins of a modern car: Piano black trim, touch screen awkwardly attached to the dash, fake “exhaust” design in the bumper.
So can we finally acknowledge that Kia and Hyundai are one of the top brands for price, performance, reliability and quality? The days of Japanese dominance are over and the overpriced cheap and unreliable German brands are garbage, thank you. For the vast majority of people buying cars, they should never touch 80% of the brands out there because they live paycheck to paycheck and over pay for their cars. Most people who drive a luxury car are poor, they waste a majority of their pay on it. Kia and Hyundai are offering you something you can afford that is high quality for the price range. During a COVID-19/Economic Recession this is added value that most brands will not give you.
If you’re living paycheck to paycheck, by your own way of measuring things, then the price of any new car (including this one at 26k) is probably too much........
“...for the price range.’ I’d rather pay a little more and get something that doesn’t feel like a rental car. K/H have not surpassed their own brand image.
Mine too. Traded my 2019 Sportage for the 2022 Seltos S. My stereo system in my Sportage was disappointing so I was worried how the Seltos S would compare especially because I couldn't go a level higher to get the Bose speakers. I was pleasantly surprised and satisfied with the stereo.
Really great vehicle in its price range. I like the more unique looks and I do notice it on the road. It looks especially great in the blue paint option. Glad to hear about how the engine and AWD work together. Sad to hear about the transmission however. :/
US auto loan debt is 1.46 trillion dollars according to lending tree in 2022. That figure is staggering. I just can't fathom sacrificing so much all for a new Kia. That's insulting. I would rather pay for a used Toyota and not go into debt, but that's just me
I bought an SX over Thanksgiving - this review helped cement my decision, even though I know I was paying too much for the high end model. Real shitty dealer experience, but I love the vehicle. I ponied up for the SX so I could get the full suite of adaptive cruise and highway driving assist, and let me tell you, it is absolutely outstanding. I think adaptive cruise is one of the must-have gizmos on modern cars and it's so nice to have on long trips. I am getting above-advertised mpg on the highway (up to 34 vs. 30 EPA). I am a big fat man and I fit just fine behind the wheel and the vehicle is just about the perfect size in terms of cargo capacity and ease of parking (I street park in Queens, NY). This review is extremely spot on about the Dual Clutch and other little bugaboos about the car, which is why I love this channel so much. If you're interested in this car, take this review to heart. I would recommend it as someone who hasn't owned a car in 20+ years and who is used to renting high-end vehicles for my road trips. There isn't a whole lot of compromise here given the dimensions and price tag.
I feel like the Korean brands are going to take over soon. For the price they make some excellent vehicles. There really inst anything competing in these price ranges anymore except bare-bones mainstream brands that are super unappealing. The excellent warranties and low prices and rising quality make these brands a really good option.
@Stereo Typist you hit the nail on the head the dealer network needs a lot of help they are assholes to put it blunt and the reason for that is because they are selling a ton vehicle they are so busy to a certain level that it’s gone to thier head!! But it will catch up with them if they don’t change their business practice soon!!
I agree. I’m in Michigan, and I see so many Kias nowadays. Affordable, reliable and good warranties. Styling is hit or miss for me on most models but whatevs.
My Hyundai dealership experience was horrible. I owned a Tiburon GTV6. Took to dealer for 2nd replacement of power window regulator. Service manager calls me and says that on the courtesy test drive the tech noted my clutch was failing and wanted $1300 to replace. I drove the car there, clutch was fine, car had 50k miles. I declined and picked car up. Under acceleration car was now bucking and stalling. I know a bad clutch and this wasn’t that. Took to my Indy mechanic and quickly he noted my air intake hose had been sliced with a razor carefully on bottom side to not be visible. Under load car was pulling air from engine compartment instead of air cleaner bypassing mass air sensor. A piece of duct tape fixed it until I could install a new intake hose. The clutch lasted another 40k miles and cost $700 to replace. This is only one of my service experiences with them. Big warranties but getting warranty work done was impossible and they weee always looking to up sell non warranty “repairs”. The car went 13 years with us but Hyundai never worked on it again.
@@Mark-eu6mc Low to mid 20’s in mixed driving. You could get over 30 on an interstate road trip. Curious why you ask. Mileage on a 17 year old fwd coupe seems less than relevant today...
Problem with KIA nowadays are not the cars. The dealership is a real problem: here in Europe KIA is very bad at supporting the shops / the warranty repairs. Its a shame. Good Car, BAD dealership experience for both sides: For the shop who is trying to sell this, and for the customer who is buying it. That at some point will snap back to H / K...
This is a real problem with a lot of car brands, especially foreign ones. The European and American car brands all have substantially better dealership experiences than the Korean and Japanese here in the states. I’ve bought cars and joined others buying cars for the last few decades here in Chicago and when I lived in California, so while anecdotal experience, it’s reflected by millions of other people who say the same thing: Kia/Hyundai treat you like shit and fight you on warranty work, Toyota rushes you through selling a car because if you don’t buy one, someone else will, and they will push you into something you don’t want or can’t afford, Honda and Mazda get very snippy about the bottom line and rarely negotiate, often relying on creative accounting, pushing extended warranties (which in the case of modern Honda you may actually need) and hiding BS fees because of the cutthroat margins, and Nissan...yikes.
Its even worse here in US, both Hyundai and Kia dealers are famous for ripping off ppl, u have to drive 4hrs to find a decent dealership, even that is not guaranteed to be a positive experience. Its basically impossible to find a new car deal without getting jipped in some way
"Snot Rocket Green" -- great band name! Jack conspicuously absent -- "It's not a BMW?,....it's not a Porsche?,.....it's not a Hellcat?,..........I'M OUT!!"
Green exterior?!?!?! Maybe its colour grading but thats 100% yellow. Like not even a little bit green. Like not yellow green, or green yellow, but yellow yellow. Im not the only one seeing that right?
No, you're absolutely correct - it's a very unusual metallic yellow, and not at all green. I quite like it, partly because nobody else offers anything similar, but also because it looks good with all the black trim (and roof).
Agree on the dealership experience. Bought a Hyundai back in 2013, felt like I was walking into a cheap used car dealer. Their cars got better but the sales tactics of the dealerships are still back to the days when both companies had bad products that only people with bad credit would buy or those who couldn't afford anything else.
leased a Kia towards end of summer. They are ruthless. I lease every 3 years from 1996 till now. 1 Kia and they had went to talk to sales manager like 50 times. more than all my other negotiations put together haha.
I bought a Hyundai a couple of months ago and had no issues at all. I contacted them and set up a test drive of two different models. I ended up buying a Kona that same day. I think it helped that the dealership I went to is family-owned and has been in business for years, even before they started selling Hyundais back in the 80s. They originally sold Oldsmobiles, and they've also been selling Mazda's since the early 70s.
We had a very pleasant experience with our local Hyundai dealer eight years ago. Auto dealerships are all locally owned, and usually by people who own multiple selling a bunch of different brands. There is no sensible reason you'll be treated worse by a Kia dealer than by the Honda dealer owned by the same people.
Your points on the dealership experience, it’s sad to hear, but an actual issue. I work with a dealership that has 3 other Kia dealerships in our metro all run horribly. We outsell the 3 other dealerships combined, and while it’s great for me, it hurts my brand image. The quality of our cars are top of the line for respective segments and price points, I wish we could just weed out poorly run dealerships
I'm just going to put this out there. Midwest Kia in Wichita Kansas. It's one of those car lots with a fence around the whole thing forcing you to walk though the sales floor. Well, I looked at a Kia Sorento once there and decided it wasn't for me and left. Should've ended there, but they got my number from my financial paperwork (I refused to give my number to the salesmen or to be put in their DSM.) and would start to call me 3 or more times a day from different numbers. I even got calls at 1am from the different salesman while at the club. Most outrageous shit I've even experienced with a dealership. They only stopped when I went off on their sales manager saying a bunch of less than flattering things. It lasted for 4 months, every fucking day from 10 different numbers so I couldn't block them. I would never buy a new Kia now because of that, and if I did buy a new Kia I'd drive to a different city to get fucked by their dealership.
Thanks for still reviewing these less expensive vehicles. I bought a 2017 Yaris iA a few years back partly because of your review. (its not fancy but it had the features I wanted and still drove well for an economy car. Plenty of space for two adults and I even stuffed a 6ft Christmas tree inside it with the seats down and the trunk between the front seats) Its cool to see high end BMW's and stuff but many of us who aren't ok with debt up to our eyeballs or lighting cash on fire aren't ever going to buy/lease one. Keep the performance cars coming though, just keep the affordable stuff coming too :)
You hit the nail on the head with the crappy dealership experience. I shopped one Hyundai dealership and it was pretty much sleazy, didn't give a darn salespeople. Next time, when I bought, the other Hyundai dealership was THE WORST I have ever experienced in 30 years of buying cars. And I'm the one who everyone goes to for help buying a new car. AWFUL! But the car itself is fine. An Ioniq EV. But yes, independent rear suspension would have been nice. The EV model doesn't have it and it's noticeable. Unless Hyundai (and Kia) clean up their act, when it comes time to turn this lease in, I will drop it off and take an Uber to another manufacturer's dealership.
Mark thank you for explaining how Hyundai and Kia can sell their vehicles cheaper than the competition. Honestly had no clue about the robotics portion of Hyundai.
I’d argue every vehicle they have made with a a dual clutch is a bad car. And unfortunately that is half of the cars they have made in the last 3 years...
@@emotionz3 Nah, the DCT has typically only been offered on higher end trim levels with the turbo engines, while the mainstream models are still mostly naturally aspirated.
@@markmiller3279 Korean cars are all about the value - as you go up in trim levels it's a much harder sell (for me, anyway). I think the mainstream models are the way to go with the naturally aspirated motors and torque-converter automatics/manuals where applicable.
Thank you for again focusing on affordable cars. This sounds like an ideal suv but would probably wait for the Tuscon for a similar price. I really like your channel overall the best. You have a lot of technical knowledge and that helps. And you're honest which is a breath of fresh air.
@@chuckwalla2967 If you disclose, early-on (which you shouldn't) that you're thinking about trading-in your current car, the salesman will take your key to "have the car inspected" while discussing a new car. But when you decide you are ready to walk, they keep coming up with excuses to avoid returning your own car's key. It happened once to me, it went on for nearly 30 minutes while the salesman kept coming back with no key, but more unacceptable offers - the conflict almost became physical, and I learned never to hand my key to one of those bozos again.
That's not snot-rocket green, dude. It's 'gold'. Slightly color-blind? You often talk about the power a car has without ever mentioning the actual figure. I like Kia's approach to try and make a car that works in many markets. I think the myriad of trim levels and models are an unhealthy expression of society.
There was a time in U.K. where kids who dared to wear a hood were bullied at school. Amazing this look is a badge of honour now for the too cool for school crew
Is RU-vid shadowbanning SG? I wonder if sub count really comes down to asking people to subscribe🤔... The opening montage would be a good place to stick a 3 or 4 second subscribe plug off in a corner. I’ve seen some good ones. Snazzy labs does this one that doesn’t even say subscribe, it’s just a graphic for a subscribe plug, kind of neat actually. Other than that I really wonder if at some point something was said on this channel and some purple hair at google flipped the switch, and the algorithm in the sky shut it down. Based on the quality of content, I don’t get why this channel has been sort of stuck at the same amount of subs for so long 🤔🤔🤔
If I had to guess... it's the brutal honesty, which is what big car companies don't want when they're trying to sell as many new cars as possible! And the amount of people that appreciate the quality videos just isn't enough to overcome the algorithm. Maybe some more vape clips and people closer to their 20s will tune in
I actually like the exterior styling. As crowded and competitive as this segment is, it helps this car stand out amongst the bevy of other compact suv/crossover offerings.
Outstanding review of the Seltos by Mark. There was just enough, yet comprehensive, information to help you if thinking of getting a new CUV/SUV vehicle.
They must be doing something right...the Koreans....a decade ago they were nowhere but here in Australia they have climbed to 3rd place in sales and will probably take the top spot from Toyota when the get their utility (pickup) range of vehicles onto the market. The higher grade Seltos models here have acoustic glass.
While I would like to believe that, I think it would take a long time before they objectively overtake Toyota/Lexus in the mastery of electronic circuitry, tuning, material (plastics) engineering and the likes. The Japanese has been doing this for a very long time with very high quality suppliers like Denso and Aisin etc. All this contributes to overall reliability and refinement.
@@centripetal25 Eh, I disagree. Toyota's strength is making cars reliable because they refine technology and are slow to adopt new tech, and they are better are building economy cars/crossovers and SUVs than anything else . Masters of Engineering would be the Germans that are constantly innovating and pushing technology. Most of the features we love today came from them. That's why Kia/Hyundai hired a whole bunch of them to build their cars. Look at most of their sports cars, all the best ones were built in collaboration with someone else. Like Yamaha, Subaru, or more recently BMW. Lexus isn't the ends all be all either. Reliability, build quality, and craftsmenship are best in the Luxury game. But that infotainment...and they seem to fail on the Sports car front.
@@DragonKnightX12 Well if you take the worst case examples of every manufacturer they will seem like garbage. Brand prestige/reliability is a game of averages.
Oh my gosh you’re so right about the dealership experience. I wanted to buy a Stinger. I saw a specific one online and went to the dealership to check it out. When I pulled up and asked if they had it, the salesman said, oh sorry we sold it today. I was like oh well, and I was getting back in my car and he was like haha just kidding. What the hell? How is that funny. Then he started to explain to me how the Stinger is really special rare. No-one walks into a Kia a dealer asking for a Stinger who doesn’t know that. Needless to say I didn’t buy it.
Being disrespectful or straight up rude to a customer (buyer) is, in my opinion, the Kiss of Death. You ABSOLUTELY did the right thing by walking away from this poorly-trained salesperson. He’s leaving a LOT of money on the table by being rude to any buyer, under any circumstances. Not smart.
-"Designed for a global market" -Rear turn signals aren't amber I wish the U.S. would do something about their regulations on turn signals and lighting, the brake lights doubling as turn signals is terrible for safety, and i've been seeing more and more pos chevys with their reverse lights on while parked.
My Cadenza has amber stop lights here in the states, but they just updated the law that they have to be red here in Maryland. Got a lot of compliments specifically for them. Safety wise I thought they awesome.
I don't think that is going to happen any time soon. Car enthusiasts don't typically like amber turn signals. I even modified my STI's turn signals slots to be white reverse lights and my brake lights are now turn signals. Diode Dynamics sell the Tail to Turn kits for this.
@@jonathanb1987 I think implementation and design is key. You can have some really nice amber turn signals (especially LED ones) that don't appear amber when they're not on (many appearing clear). The American/Canadian market also seems to have size restrictions, so although the European style may already be brighter and safer, some outdated regulation may restrict it from passing requirements.
A VW Golf or Sportwagen/Alltrack could do everything this does but better, for a similar price. Sadly no one buys those, ergo cute utes like the Seltos and Kona. 100% right about the shady Kia/Hyundai dealer network
Test drove this when wife was looking for small SUV. The gloss plastic was already covered in finger prints and the thing is super noisy when accelerating or merging. Transmission was clunky. Mazda and VW so much better. And similar price. And like stated the dealer was horrible.
I drive a Ford today all because of the "tactics" used by my local Hyundai dealer. I told them the only way they could lose my business was if they started "playing games". They did. So, I walked. (The Ford has been OK.)
Thank you for the complete review. I thought Kia/Hyundais were cheap because of cost cutting, but it's just economies of scale and sourcing local in Korea. Very enlightening! Also, thank you for mentioning the Kia dealership experience. Three years ago, I was suddenly without a car, and had to get something quick. I was between 2018 Kia Forte5 and 2018 Mazda3 Hatch. Kia was open earlier so I went there first. The sales rep talked up and down about being a "straight shooter" during the test drives, but when we got back to the office to talk price/financing, there was some $3000+ (Canadian pesos) in extra price over the MSRP - before freight and PDI charges. I was like what is this?! The sales manager came over, I showed him the price on Kia.ca for the spec we were talking about and he says a bunch of shitty excuses and "dealer markup" and I was like what? I politely said that won't do; MSRP or I walk - they held. I thanked them for their time and headed over to Mazda, where they had the 3 for MSRP, and it was cheaper and felt better built than the Kia, so I went straight to the conversation of "can I pick it up tomorrow; Sunday". After putting the deposit on the Mazda, Kia phones and is like "we really want to earn your business!" I let him BS for a bit, then said I'm buying a Mazda. He was like "Why?" I said "price, better product." And that was that. I did not buy a Kia cause the dealers are trying to screw their potential customers. Also, shout out to Signature Mazda in Richmond, BC - those guys were great. Every step of ownership, they were professional and friendly. On delivery, they threw in some extras - beats headphones and wireless speaker pod, and I got to drive it out of the showroom's front doors. It was a great dealership experience.
My wife and I just bought one. When we went to test drive one and then got the whole "dealeship experience. They lowballed us (of course) on our trade in, and told us about the "dealership fee" (something like $1,500) and tried to make it seem like they were being honest by telling us about it, and not like it's just a way for them to make it seem like they were cutting you a deal during negotiations. We left and instead went through an auto broker. Got a fair deal for our trade in, and purchase price, and never had to deal with "dealership pressure". Broker fee was 1% of the purchase price so a few hundred dollars. Money well spent for the hastle free experience imo.
I own a SX and your review Nailed it! Totally agree with everything you stated especially about the dual clutch. Hey Consumer Reports, this is how you review a car!
Thank you for talking about car debt! It is massive issue making people feel bad for owning old/cheap cars. In USA it is sometimes hard to admit when one is poor
I got mine a week ago in neptune blue. Awd lx basic non turbo and its AMAZING! I have mile long driveway thats gravel and hills and its takes it head on no problems. Its my daily replacement for ford fusion that use to slide out and lose traction or scrape on my driveway. This no problems what so ever. Amazing car seriously.
Finally someone came out and said it. I taught it was only me. I was given the run around when I tried to test a Seltos. It took me 45 minutes of fighting with them before I could get the keys..insane. Also , the warranty is bullshit...Even if its under warranty Kia canada does not reimburse the dealership unless a piece is physically taken out and replaced with a new one. I went to two dealerships to service my 2017 kia SOUL with 40000km on the odometer. Both places tried to charge me for a slow closing sun roof and a rear seat rattle. Dont bother calling headquarters either . They wont help you. They say they have no control over what dealerships do...? So basically, your car has an issue, you think you are covered by the warranty so you bring it in. Oups its not covered and we have to charge you for the time it took to see that. Not only does it come out of your pocket, but you will pay double the hourly rate. Thats the definition of a STEELERSHIP. Sure the cars are getting better but because the service has frustrated me so much, I have decided to just get rid of my car and go back to japanese. Fu&*( you KIA
Thank you for saying this! So many people get caught up in the 10 year, 100,000 mile “warranty” but find out later that it’s all marketing. Good luck finding a dealership that will fix your problem for you!
@@moloono1 they also fail to mention that that warranty is voided if the vehicle changes hands in any way. I worked at a Hyundai dealership and a customer's warranty was voided when he re-registered his car and added his wife to the registration. I'll never own a Hyundai/Kia after seeing the shady way they treat customers with warranty claims and half-assed recalls.
Kia and Hyundai's dealer network are the distillation of every horrible "stealership" experience to the point that they negate 90% of the positives of purchasing one of their vehicles. It is amazing they have not done anything about it; I guess they are still selling cars so they figure why bother.
