2022 Hyundai Kona N vs Mazda3 Turbo GT vs Honda Accord 2.0, close enough. Drag and Roll Race. 

Good catch. I left that on purpose :)

@@SamCarLegion question: What's the use of torque and why didn't it help the Mazda "pull" despite the Honda down on torque?

Honda gearing is superior to Mazd.

@@avilesjuan180 thanks, nice response.

@@oshogweikekhai5499 It initially did pull but its down on hp and also its transmission is slow

Yea just helps show how strong the Elantra N is in a better body.

@@ChristianRunsNY "better" is very subjective.

On the contrary. The kona N has good aerodynamics.At first glance, the Hyundai Kona and Mercedes-Benz C-Class coupe share little in common. One is a somewhat funky little crossover priced in the $20,000s, while the other is a precision-crafted German machine that starts at nearly $50,000. And yet, they're equally aerodynamic. Both have a coefficient of drag, or Cd, of 0.32. That simply means these vehicles do an admirable job of managing wind resistance when traveling on the highway. As a result, the engine doesn't need to work as hard to maintain speed and, therefore, uses less fuel.

aero doesn't have a factor at these speeds you goofies. clueless people

@@ChristianRunsNY kona/Elantra N are about the same..

Lmao very slow

@@Sadslantyface what do you drive clown?

@@Sadslantyface not real world slow

@@Sadslantyface but fast for the price 🤷‍♂️

@@DriverJ-N nah still get spanked by a Honda Fit

Flew like a Mustang GT.

it's an accord and a dog mzada 3..

@@roboticvenom1935 and a kona which to anyone who isnt into cars is the slowest of them all lmao

But those parking guys will charge you a hefty suv fee equal to an escalate

I test drove one recently as well. I currently drive a 2019 GTI. Kona's LSD really pulls you around corners, very fun. However it still feels very much like a small crossover compared to a true hot hatch, only due to the seat and seat position. Even with the seats all the way down, I felt like I was sitting high, and the seats are very flat compared to the seats of a GTI or Veloster N (I test drove one of those too) and you tend to slide around when cornering hard where the GTI and VN seats hold you very well and you feel like you're sitting low in a sports car. I'm 6'3" so I really like feeling low in a car. But then again it's not trying to be a hatchback, that's what the VN is for, before they discontinued it. The Kona N is a great small crossover, but not quite a hatchback.

Yes it’s pretty much a razed hot hatch hahaha definitely not an suv

I hear they handle incredible

It’s a crossover

I agree, like the Kona N, the Elantra N like the corners.

Mazda3 too, Mazda says they designed the 3 to be best performing on windy roads

Its 0-60 is respectable for its size

Once you get rid of the wheelhop you can get into the high 4s 0-60 on the KN.

It is a very capabale car from 0-60 my sister has one and I managed a 4.9 second 0-60

Even if costs a blown engine. 😂

@@ROBMACDUI Loser

@@ROBMACDUI what blown engine? This is not 2013 clown

Well I’d hope not considering that’s like… an N. And it raced a 4cyl accord :P

Lmao fr these Hyundais are fast but i rather have a car that i can enjoy like the accord than a car that might blow up like almost every Hyundai

Especially on blown up engines and DCT transmissions. Also there horrendous 'warranty' coverage that won't pay for blown engines and transmissions!

@@jamessephar945840k miles Kona N no issues at all so far hard driving everyday even doing Lyft with it I’ll let u know when I get to 100k when the warranty is over

@@DriverJ-Nhow is it now?

@@GIME5528 57k still running really well

Yeah it would have been great if they offered a manual transmission in that package or dsg or z-f transmission

That would make very little difference. Mazda has tons of torque so the gearing doesn't matter too much, just not a ton of HP. Additionally, the car was designed as a daily driver, so it doesn't have all the lurchiness/gear-hunting that a DCT does in traffic

@@cordellwanless5914 bro what are you even talking about, a DCT or even a 10 speed trans is night and day difference from that old 6 speed auto smh

@@Jcastro9444 a difference on many cars yes but I don't think it would make a huge difference on the Mazda 3. It makes diesel torque down low and then the power just drops and drops, even a Porsche DCT might only take like .2-.3 off the quarter mile

I have an i30 N Line Premium (Australia); think you guys call it the Elantra GT N Line in the US; the mazda 2.5 turbo only makes about 20 HP more than our little 1.6 turbo engines.

Go test drive one. They are stupid good.

The guy who designed BMW M series....went to Hyundai and designed the N series.

@@jagerking7020 so I’ve been seeing

@@TheBiz9999 yep, a smart choice on their end

BMW happened

Because the computer close the throttle we use to have the same problem with the mazdaspeeds

I bought a m3ht in may and loved it. Unfortunately it was totaled last week via t bone (not my fault), but I’ve fallen for the Kona n and will probably be picking one up soon.

You're not wrong, but don't forget Sam was driving the Accord 🙃

Lol! Just Remember it took years for the other manufacturers to bring up competition with current gen Accord which was released in 2018 and now its 2022 which slowly it started showing the age...2018, 19, 20, 21 non could even get closer to the Accord

Doesn’t the Mazda use a 6AT?

@@lawrenceredden9049 yes it does. But at that type of performance level for todays standard. 6 speed AT is outdated. 8 speed AT or dct is needed

Just 15lbs heavier than accord tho

EN wins than KN than the VN

Exactly what I want to see, all DCT models.

They got a stage 3 now, 28psi of boost instead of 19

We are suspicious that this one already had a tune. No way a stock version beats the mighty Accord 2.0t by that much without a massive tune. The way it just launched and took off like it did makes us suspicious it would have held its own against the new Corvette. If we are talking stock, the Accord 2.0t is not only the fastest car in the world today, it is the fastest and best car that has ever been built and ever will be built. Nothing stock even comes close. If a choice came between getting an Accord 2.0t and a Bentley, we are taking the Accord 2.0t every time. We like a noisy cabin with rattles and feeling every bump, it makes us feel like we are really driving. Who needs whisper quiet and ride compliance over bumps. Way overrated.

@@XWXW-lk4jf God told me that Kona in this video is stock, no tune of any kind.

@@XWXW-lk4jf copium, they show the engine bay. For a stage 1 tune for the kona (310 whp) one of the requirements is a cold air intake, and hks spark plugs. Stock air system in it. its probably the dct giving it the gap, since the hondas 0-60 is 2 seconds slower

@@XWXW-lk4jfI mean my stock Kona N gaps every stock accord I’ve ever encountered 🤷‍♂️

Facts 10000x everything you just said, the jb4 gets it to 60 under 4.6 seconds I’ve seen

You can add a JB4 or a tune to the Kona N as well... That being said, you'd need to spend a substantial amount of money to make the CX-30 track as well as the Kona N does.

I would like to see a drag with all Hyundai N & N Line models lined up

Elantra N, FTW 🙌

Kona on semi slick and with chip tuning 100%, not fair race

@@GoogleAccount-pt4zu Elantra N would win. The turbos on the Kona N and Elantra N is bigger than the Veloster’s. And the Elantra N has better aerodynamics than the Kona. Though the Veloster is probably the most fun FWD car you can buy currently.

@@Frank-eh3jc unless you live in a market that sells the i30 N or i20 N ;)

yeah mazda has a decade old 6 speed slushbox and a old low revving 2.5 turbo

If you were looking to get mods you should’ve stayed with the accord

@@ruthlessrampag319 I’m actually not looking to mod much with the Elantra N. It’s already a blast stock. Maybe a tune and intake, that’s about all it needs. The Accord I would’ve gone down that rabbit hole of modding.

These new N motors have a new design to the turbo making the power curve way better at high RPM. Also they are very under rated. The ECU has octane learning it limits boost to 15ps on 87 but hits 19 and 20psi on 93 octane. They are actually closer to 310hp or so at crank on 93 octane. Multiple Dyno runs have seen the Kona N and Elantra N put down like 280hp at wheels bone stock. I'm referring to DCT ones. The tuning on the 6 speed EN is a little different.

why would they do that..? just wondering

@@melonaaah most non-american manufacturers sandbag their numbers to show performance in non-optomal conditions.

@@melonaaah I think insurance reasons

You are correct, race chip put a stock Kona N on the Dyno and put down 308bhp from the engine:)

Which do you like driving more?

​@@apexcobra.official I love driving both. They are two very different vehicles and you cannot compare the two. The Kona N cannot replace the STi and the STi cannot replace the Kona N.

I've raced 3 now in my Kona N and I've beaten each. Two from a roll and one from a dig ONLY because of the DCT in the Kona I suspect. It's shifts are so smooth with the quickness

This car has loads of torque and no top end, more gears/ shorter gearing/ wouldn’t make it that much faster. Certainly wouldn’t change the outcome we see here.

Hes right. Shorter gears wont help. What a new tranny would do though is simply help it shift quicker which will only help it so much. What I would prefer is a fwd with a manual. It would beat the honda from a roll and not get gapped as bad by the kona

its not the trans. its the ECU, its cuts power at higher rpm. Cant wait for Real Tunes to come out for the car.

A dct would change and unlock the potential of the mazda3

it is not about the gear ratio, the 6speed can physically handle 250hp max. They should give a proper 6speed so the mazda can increase the hp freely

EN Wins

Happened already the EN beat it but I have a feeling the EN had the octane tuning done and the Kona N forgot or didn’t know about that feature

@@DriverJ-N Octane tuning ?

@@vroomgc yea after buying 93 there is a process u have to do to unlock an extra 4 psi which u have to do every time after buying gas which sucks takes 10mins to do…. if u don’t u are stuck at 15psi and the difference is huge

I bet the KN in that video was at 15 psi while the EN was at 19 psi

mr nobody, what level is that?

Go on. Say the full word 🤠

@@SilverScarletSpider 🤣 as a black guy there is a reason why I didn’t have a N themed license plate lmao

Yea I love it very good design

@@Acs2046 Yeah it really shocks me that I don't see more on the road! The price point is great, and it's so luxurious (interior wise) in comparison to any other car that cost the same.

I really hope it's a completely new redesign

I just hope Honda doesn't screw it up. It's just about perfect in it's respective class, even 5 years later.

@@wbwayne8887 have you seen the new renders for the new accord? 😔 looks like a damn ford

@@edwardnguyen1980 I know, I'm very worried. Going to have a Ford Exterior and a new gen Civic/HRV/CRV interior. I really hope Honda changes up the interior a little more for the Accord.

Certainly the Accord is a car that grandpas love.

any issues?

@@josephohara6588 nope,

Then the type R wouldn't be as special and the Accord wouldn't be as affordable lol

The Type R will always be special. You just don't drag that as it's never made to drag.

you can buy a ktuner and an OTS tune from pherable all for about 600 bucks, which will bring the accord up to 300whp and somewhere in 300tq on a completely stock 2.0 but of course you void your warranty lol

@@latens9479 I already have the phearable stage 3 along with the prl intercooler and charge pipes. I’m pretty sure the accord can be 300hp stock and still be reliable if Honda didn’t detuned it. Maybe then it can match up with the new Hyundai/kias stock for stock. But will see what the next gen will be.

@@raymondtang1262 Agreed! But on the internet most people are more interested on who can win drag races 😂

I have the turbo, 2021 no issues what so ever. Its not a new engine. its been around for about 5 years with excellent reliability in the CX5 and Cx9. As with all high compression turbo engines oil dilution is a concern, especially if you plan on running E15. Honda and Hyundai/KIA have way worse engine reliability issues with their small turbo engines. but throes problems mostly stem from Americans being terrible with maintenance, also believing 10K oil change intervals. That's a DUMB idea on ant turbo engine. Use a high quality synthetic oil, Mazda recommends a high Moly oil, like Idemitsu (OE Fill) i Highly recommend the Triax SRT with Moly, have confirmed with 3rd party VOAs that the additive package is excellent, and holds up GREAT in both my turbo 3 and Wife's non turbo CX30. So before you think I'm just another weird o on the internets, I am actually a Reliability engineer, and i specialize in lubrication. :)

Use 20w-50. If u notice oil consumption. Mazda turbos.

@@mikel9656 thank you very, very much for your input! Great to know. I’m very particular about what oil and to use and how frequently to change it.

Mazda has a TSB for specific 2021 model year turbos. If your friend is buying a 2022, it won't have this issue at all.

I've had the issue once, but Mazda has a fix that's covered under warranty now

Yo Frrr , they came out of no where smoking a lot of people , they've stepped up there performance

On design yes but not quite at the level of toyota, honda and mazda yet

@@alvinsimba734 race shown in this video suggests otherwise

@@kenyaswallow5782 also remember, Many car buyers do not buy vehicles for racing but rather for their reliability especially for people with families as well and also people go with overall perception of the brand. Kia and Hyundai as beautiful as they are, they haven't really fixed the engine fire issue in their engines. As we speak the hot sellers 2020-2022 Kia Telluride and Hyundai Pallisade are under a serious recall as we speak that the tow hitch mechanism the way it was built can easily catch on fire and with the current parts shortages this is not a good sign. Despite all that, they still haven't fixed other recalls from those same brands so with all that thats why most car buyers those who know won't buy their cars. For KIA and Hyundai to use 10 year 100k warranty as a selling point should tell you all you need to know because by design that engine is going to have to be fixed or replaced, but even with the warranty it's a pain dealing with their customer service when problems arise. For honda and others they don't need to advertise 10 year warranty as a selling point because they don't need to. From my experience, Hyundai and KIA are best in the world when it comes to offering beautiful interior and awesome tech that can be found on most luxury cars at a lower price point for a reason and for the mechanical aspect of their vehicles is where they took shortcuts and use very cheap materials that won't last long and this is where they easily lose to competitors.

@@alvinsimba734 I'd only say Toyota is the tried and true reliable brand among the 3 u mentioned. Honda is a hit or miss and I've had a lot of issues with the Honda cars our family owned.

@@alvinsimba734 heard about bZ4X? potential wheel falling off? Toyota WAS very reliable. Not anymore....

Easy there…. The engine might catch on 🔥

@@brenttitus2134 sorry to break it to you but N vehicles use completely different powertrains than standard hyundai/ kia cars😢

@@alleneubeltofficial That does not matter and only a matter of time. They are still Hyundai/KIA Korean fire burners in the end.

@@brenttitus2134 Doubtful, we have yet to see any N vehicle's engines catch fire. Even in such a scenario Hyundai/Kia has the best warranty in the business so im sure it'll be just fine :) I think you're just upset because Honda and other brands has been lacking lately...

@@brenttitus2134 that’s cool the veloster N that’s been out for a few years hasn’t really had any issues 🤷‍♂️

almost as impressive as the elantra N with a tune

It doesn't compete with the accord or Mazda 3 lol

@@UmarTheGreat10 lol so true

"Destroying for less" is kind of vague and inaccurate. The only car that's in the Accords class is the K5 GT/Sonata N-Line, both of which are more expensive than the Accord. The Accord is not a performance line or model similar to Hyundai's new N line of cars. The only thing Honda has like that right now is the Civic Type R.

@@SasquatchS550 it's not vague. Sam even put them together because of how similarly they are price and all a 4 cylinder performance oriented cars. The civic type r is most definitely not a competitor as the price is 15k or more. Even the accord sport would have lost badly there's no denying that. I'd say for being the cheapest it outperformed both of those cars and handles way better as well.

@@boostlife6370 accord isn't performance oriented. It just happens to be fairly quick. No one cross shops a Kona N with an accord. More likely they'll cross shop Honda's hot hatch , the CTR or maybe the si

obviously.. it's a mazda with a decade old drivetrain and a 2018 accord

If you put it in comfort, it didn't bounce around as much

550i? he got that boring of a car?

Very expensive and you need insurance to run

@@SamCarLegion ok thank you so much for your response, I appreciate it

Too late someone else got it before u

I love that Hyundai had the balls to develop a wet DCT in house. Toyota and Honda need to man up and do the same or get left in Hyundais dust.

​@@CTF33 As a Veloster N owner, I might be biased, but imo I feel there has been a shift in things. Hyundai is creating bold, fun, and entertaining vehicles, while a lot of the others have stagnated a bit.

@@TheRealJohnWack Yeah I got a 22 VN DCT after only driving Toyotas for 20 years, love the VN. Toyota is starting to come around with their new GR cars but I'm looking forward to the N Vision 74, it's a jaw dropper.

you know whats crazy next year the first awd N car is coming its going to have 575hp its electric though but its a N so its going to be fun im actually excited