it is only made by BMW, all optimizations and settings are made by Toyota itself, what do you think why it is a lot faster than the Z4m with the same engine
It's not just the tires difference. It's also the HP\torque difference. A different channel ( savgegeese) did a dyno and a very in depth comparison test on both cars at the same place, and the Z has only 372hp\362t and the supra has 397hp\423t + the zf transmission.
True, & BMW always underrate their HP, so I guess Supra falls under that category. The Supra is also 200 pounds lighter than the new Z, which really shows in the higher speeds (especially in the roll races). Even though I still want the Z over the Supra, I love the supra even more now that they came out with Manual.
Even if the Supra is faster, it's nice that we have the choice between two great cars. They both feel different, so just choose which one feels best to you!
@@sv96jo well you’re the only one who thought that a 20 year old chassis with a parts bin motor/transmission combo from Nissan would keep up with much more modern design from bmw
The powertrain is newer than the supras lol, chassis doesn’t make difference in a head to head lmfao, I could get a c6 vette for half the price and smoke both these on a chassis that 40 years old
@@ets419 what’s your point? You were shocked that the vq30ddtt got smoked by a b58? Congratulations for being the only one on the internet to be surprised
@@ets419 also chasis has a huge role in putting power down. A c6 corvette makes 430 hp/ 430 ft lbs. Much more hp and torque than an mk 5 Supra and its lighter but is slower in the quarter mile. Yes you could make the c6 faster but it would need much more power to do it
I remember all those people that said “ Wait till the new Z comes out. It will smoke the Supra”. Well it’s out and who’s smoking who. Even AMS said the Supra would walk this Z. And they are the leading authority on this motor and mods.
@@yomamapked yeah 30k markup is ridiculous to say the least wouldn't pay 70k for it unless it made double the power it currently makes and maybe was awd
@@priceverity5289 Isn't BMW only made engine? Everything else is Toyota?💀 But i agree with you tho'. Mercedes probably had the best looking interior follow by BMW, Hyundai/Kia and Honda. Toyota not known for best interior💀 but sh1t damn reliable! Tho.
Nothing unexpected. The Supra puts out more power than is claimed on paper, plus has the ZF 8 speed which is the best conventional automatic money can buy. Also remember the Supra is lighter and has more torque. Base model Z definitely has lots of tuning potential at a fairly attractive price, but stock for stock the Supra is the better car.
Supra has way better tuning potential, so the Z losses in every sports related category. so sad that it had 3 years or so, they just couldn't beat their benchmark car.
@@TerrannotOP Was this rebranded BMW really their benchmark? Or did they do what people asked like update the 20 year old interior and throw in the vr30 and call it a day?
@@brianb4501 Looking at it from a competitive standpoint the supra smacks it in all categories tho especially with the inclusion of the 6speed tranny BUT i guess the Z is good for die hard Z fans that aren't looking for anything else in the market.
I bet you could swap tires and the Nissan would still loose. There is more to a car getting traction besides tires. Pretty awesome video but maybe try to stage more even? The Supra was always like a car length behind the Nissan at the start of the race
I actually had a deposit on both last month and whatever dealer got their car first I bought, I ended up with a 22 supra premium, love the Z but the power to weight of the car is amazing , both are beautiful cars
Remember when Nissan made quality cars? I barely do, it was a loooong time ago. That interior looks like all hard molded plastic & cardboard wrapped in pleather and spray painted blue. It's wild when Corvette has a miles-better interior.
The B58 itself can handle a lot of power and additionally the power potential for the Supra is pretty insane. I'm an owner of a 2021 Supra, just personally its been a great car to own.
Having seen all this, what aftermarket/mod/tuning potential does the Z have? What can we do with the car to really make it competitive against other modded (or powerfully stocked) streetcars?
I respect the z and Supra very much and look at them equally. But they seem to have different driving ethos which is why I think it's odd to compare them. The Supra still retained its original recipe, rwd, inline six thats highly tunable and offers great driving dynamics. Disregard where Toyota sourced its parts for the Supra, it's still an engaging fun experience that holds true to its predecessors. Just because it's got German DNA doesn't make it a German car. Adding to the note of why I think it's odd to compare them is because they're both tuner cars, they were produced for us to take apart and do what we want with them. It shouldn't matter if one is faster than another in its stock form.
Wow, I anticipated a door to door race with a slight advantage to the supra. Respect to the supra for giving out 5 of 6 major ass kickings. with the 1 race being pretty close (but still a dub to the supra), which is more like what I expected. Looks like 10% more cost gets you 20-30% better performance. Pretty good ROI
It's not 10% my friend. It's more like 17% ( 60k ×10% it's 66k). Don't forget the tax. With the price difference you can change the tires, suspension, mufflers, tune it, and it will still be cheaper. I don't think that the performance gap is that big. Both are fast cars. I think the Z is more spacious and comfortable.
@@BrownSofaGamer come on men what do you mean huge? You know what huge mean? 2-3 sec to the 1/4 mile. On the toll they where = in manual mode. On the track the supra will be 2 sec faster which mean nothing in the real world everyday driving. 12k$$ difference this is huge. And like I've said take the money difference and spend it on the Z and it will make the supra look like 🤡. Look what the guy with the 340i did with his car on this channel. I don't think he spent more then 12k on it. Now he have a high 10 sec car.
@@avis1978 this just shows that nissan is done. The only saving grace they had, was an overhyped flop. $12k for a better performer along with better quality in the supra is worth it.
All the Z fans are gonna try and justify why it lost now, even though it’s still just a Q50 in a 370Z chassis. Still can’t believe people think BMW making the Supra is a bad thing when it’s slaughtering the Z in all aspects, and Toyota would’ve never been able to do that on their own. Also why does everyone throw tuning into the argument, like the Supra isn’t the better tuning platform too.
And yes it’s a bad thing instead of making doing it themselves they had someone else do it for them. Everything in that Z is strictly Nissan and it didn’t do half bad. I mean even Toyota LFA 1LR-GUE was develop by Yamaha and Toyota GR86 from Subaru cmon Toyota. I’m not hating but it’s just facts.
@@testing448 There’s nothing wrong with Toyota not doing themselves, because they couldn’t have. The end result we got is a great sports car, and one that’s better than the Z, and yet people complain and want to act like Nissans a better car company than BMW, which it isn’t lol. If that’s literally the only thing Z fans can argue over the Supra then that’s grasping at straws.
@@BrownSofaGamer I get you and I’ve been an avid Nissan fan for many years. My first Nissan was a 1991 Nissan Sentra SE-R, then came to a 300zx TT, SE-R spec v, a couple of g37 coupes and sedans. 350z and a Q50. I now own a 2017 Q60RS400 which is the same motor on that new Z. I’ve owned one BMW e92 coupe m3 which I loved to death but it came along with a lot of issues and left me stranded a couple of times. As far as technology goes BMW takes the lead with superior engineering but Nissan has a more championship caliber racing heritage than BMW and even Toyota. GTR was banned from racing back then it just dominated the European league. Stock for stock the new Supra is better but when it comes to modding I’m already seeing modded Q50 and Q60 giving a modded new Supra hell.
Imagine the upcoming Supra with S58 Engine.. Let's be Honest the B58 is just a monster of an engine combination with ZF Transmission. The Nissan will never beat it from Zero to who knows what.
I love the video pairing up two beautiful cars with a great history against each other is always the best me just hearing the video anybody can tell that the Supra has a shorter gear ratio it was shifting a lot faster than the z was. I feel like Nissan kind of messed up and gave the new z a little bit too long of gear ratio I would probably still pick the Nissan 400z I've been a fan of the Z's since the 240 and at least it holds true to actually being a Nissan not just a Toyota badge with a beamer motor thrown in it I still love the new Supra to a point but the motor that's in it kind of makes my stomach turn like I said I have respect for a beamer inline 6 in a beamer just not in a Supra I'm pretty sure we can all agree
I think it comes down to gear ratio, low end torque and the 200lb weight advantage. The Z just cant quite match the supra. With better tires though and some weight shaving it could be almost neck n neck
I like Nissan but it's not easy outperforming BMW technology when it comes to performance. Hopefully Nissan decides to put more power into the nismo version so it will have better outcome since they charging extra money higher trim level packages
The Z just needs to be learned. People serious about racing can manipulate it. For example people in 10 speed mustangs start the race in manual mode and once underway they switch to auto mode on the fly. That is the best way to get the fastest result from a roll in the Mustang. I’m betting the Z can do the same thing. Get some good rubber and hopefully reviews start turning around for the Z.
No surprises here, BMW's 382HP is obviously very conservative and the ZF8HP is just hands down a superior transmission. BTW - 50 KPH = 31 MPH, not 32. :-)
VR30s once modded are impressive. Open deck design and stinky transmissions leave it at a pretty low ceiling but they’d be fun. B58 is already known to put down some real power without needing to crack the engine open, the transmission is a different story.
AMS ran 9 second with a stock engine, stock transmission in the Z. I wouldnt consider that a low ceiling at all. A 9 seconds, 10 second 1/4 mile in the street is a super fast car for more than 90% of other cars.
Its a lot of factors. Weight, gearing, subpar traction control. The Z limits boost in 1 and 2. Tires and a tune would help. A good race would be manual on manual. The times are about the same there.
Yeah... The BMW/Supra has all the right stuff when it comes to new age technology. It's very quick with it's shifts and it just goes. As you know it beats cars with a lot more HP. Only because it gets out super quick.
the Z is really disappointing. they keep saying the 10k price diff but when you look at other v8 base models it still loses. Idk if ive seen a review yet that actually chose the Z lol. It's a shame that they aren't even the best handling in the price range either.
Where do you draw the line for disappointment? Bmw 340ix with the same b58 will be way faster in 1/4 and 0-100/0-60 and more importantly stable, does it make supra shit? Those manual rwd powerful coupes are for driver's enjoyment and one should select it according to one's background, not by synthetic youtube testing. For example, I own a 550hp skyline r33 1996, which is a complete rocketship, it spits fire, does massive burnouts, drives like hell. Will I ever select supra as a replacement as it's faster and more refined? Of course not, it's a very synthetic and complete car, there is nothing for me to do with it. So for me the only disappointment with Z is that it's not for sale properly yet.
@@captainbarge big difference there. The 370z was sold from 2009. In 2009, the 370z was VERY competitive in the market. The new Z shares a very similar platform and even uses some same exact parts 13 years later. People expected a new sports car, around 50k, that would be able to compete with the best others had to offer. It would be different if the straight line held its own vs the competition and the handling fell short or vice versa. But you have a car that stock to stock comes in last in almost every category. It even gets the same mpg as a scat pack charger. Handling is let down by the tires but you hear people all the time talk about how soft, and unsettled it is around a track. The supra faced disappointment when it first came out because people expected a mark iv and got a car that was mostly bmw. However, the supra is so damn good around a track, as a daily, and in a straight line that it can overcome it. The new Z has just fallen short.
@@mphcorvette1 beauty is in the eye of beholder, right? :) I'm in dire need of modern shitbox and Z covers everything for me. Soft suspension? I will be replacing it with coilovers anyway. Bad exhaust note? It will be replaced anyway. Old platform? I will have wider mods selection. Supra/whatever faster? Compare any 400bhp manual cars on real streets, you won't get the same result 3 times out of 3. And it's 10k less :) I understand your point, but raise you another: Z is soulful and has car enthusiast appeal, while it's unmeasurable, it places it ahead in my books
@@captainbarge oh for sure mods will fix all the issues. I mean Z1 already has one with test parts over 600whp. And I respect your opinion. I mean hell you got a r34, you got the respect of 99% of car enthusiasts lol my point was more stock v stock, just disappointing that nissan didn't put more care into it.
Sam, when manufacturers release horsepower numbers, or claim a certain number, they're stating how much power the motor makes. Not the wheels. 400 hp to the wheels is roughly 460 hp at the flywheel. You shouldn't be putting brake hp on a stock car. It's not accurate. Keep up the great content 🍻
I'm pretty sure the Supra is underrated (just like B58 in Z4 / M340i) and pushing more than 382 horsepower (more like to the wheels) plus it's several hundred lbs lighter so the result is as expected.
@@SamCarLegion 100% depends on the country they are being sold, which is something literally everyone in the US ignores. In Europe the gap is much closer
Yeah that's definitely not just tires difference 😂😂, I can't imagine the people spending 20k to 30k over sticker for a Nissan Z...Porsche Money for this??? 😂😬. The Z makes the most sense at its base price , gives you plenty of room to customize it after but in this performance trim that is priced the same as the Supra it's not worth it, and at Cayman money with dealer markups you're outright insane
nissan may have tuned their transmission for longevity over instead of the full performance capabilites. this is common in many automatic cars. you should have both vehicles performance tuned and see the result if is still same
Nothing about this was unexpected honestly the Supra power is underrated. Also the new z just hit a new stock turbo record off the trailer 1st run for the vr30 at a 10.4 525whp which beats the b58 stock turbo record and the car has not even been dialed in yet as tuners are just getting used to the new z shows where the platform is going
No offense dude, but I have no clue what you are saying here. Please use punctuation. Are you saying that a **tuned** stock turbo Nissan Z is faster? What’s your comparison? As much as I’d like the Z to be faster, this doesn’t make sense.
@@dannyd7714 Don't be dumb. Every car manufacturer has suppliers. It's not like a car manufacturer is literally building a vehicle from scratch by themselves (mining the metal, building the glass for the windows etc). A vehicle can have transmission from ZF, brakes from brembo, shocks from bilstein etc. Mercedes did not aid Nissan in the development of the Z.
Im a die hard american car buyer, so have no biases other than I appreciate fast cars. Everything Ive seen on the new Supra impresses me...the Z is just ok.
@@bpearr8266 plz watch Savagegeese's comparison. He put them both on the SAME tires so that couldn't be used as an excuse. He also put them both on the Dyno. Z is a cool car but it's on the same platform as the 370z(13 year old) and it's heavy with a crappy auto. The Supra is just better engineered all the way around(and lighter)and it makes a lot more power than the Z. It has potential though.
Did he check tire pressures? Did he try not using launch control and actually modulate his foot? How could he say that the supra would be completely worthless if it lost to a Z? My s2000 is slower than a modern camry, is it worthless?... And what was unexpected exactly?
@@layne4376 Exactly! Lol!...The Supra is significantly faster from both a dig and roll! People continue to make the mistake of looking at raw numbers ie. hp, torque, etc. etc. and automatically THINK because someone has more hp on paper, then that car should be faster!🤣🤨...The Supra is highly underated (a common fact with German autos) it's putting to the rear wheels (give or take) what it's rated at the fly wheel!! Then there are a whole bunch of other factors that people tend to ignore...(UNTIL they get gapped!🤣) such as weight, torque, tires, transmission, where the car is actually making its power, etc.
Toyota's not dumb. They knew exactly who to use for performance, BMW. I will say Toyota did some tweeks as the twin BMW coupe gets dusted by the Supra with the same tires.
#1 Nissan 400 hp IS 400 hp based on actual dyno #'s BMW Zupra 382 "crank" hp is NOT 382 crank hp, but actually 460 crank hp so it has more hp than what it claims to have.
