2024 Mustang Dark Horse vs Nissan Z Nismo vs GR Supra | Laps, Dyno, Arguements 

I second this

I third this... even though I give them a bunch of crap for not including the Tesla M3P in these comparisons. Or on the SG / Country Club Autobahn track's fastest cars list. . 28:55 No Tesla's on the list. 😞 And the only EV, Lucid Air Sapphire, $250K, is at #3. Just behind the 911 GT3. 👍 FYI: The Tesla M3P is quicker than a BMW M3, and almost as quick as a 911 GT3 RS on the Top Gear Track. Search: model 3 performance lap times

Money is not the issue bias is.

Hagerty is a million times better than these guys

Wow. You got one at 31. I’m 41 and still driving a fiesta.

And M5 is same money as a 911, times have changed. for worse..

I don’t think ford did it for the Zoomers to buy them, Ford did it so the Zoomers promote them. Ton of them in my area I’ve talked to are obsessed with the S650 and they say they’d never buy it. Seems to me it’s all about the TikTok views and buzz instead of actual sales.

I feel the same way I am 50 and it took me forever to save up to Buy a Used 2017 S550 GT.. Just got her, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tPXMb4nfGPE.html

If cars stop being fun and the reliable cars fade away to time, and EVs take over, I’m genuinely considering moving to Europe even if I have to go broke. Walkable cities and reducing car dependency haven’t been more important with cars going to crap.

The Chrysler of Japanese cars. 😄

In the real world, this means nothing. An overwhelming number of buyers of this car will never trsck it so fuel starvation is moot. The Z would be a better car for everyday use for the average owner.

@@housepianist those owners are still going to deal with the transmission and paint issues that have already put the Z on stop sale these past couple years. It's just a sad amount of issues that have piled up with the release of this car.

​@@housepianistthat's still not how to build a sports car. You're OK'ing mediocrity. Also, a large majority of the people may not drive their cars on track but those buyers who are spending money on a up trim sports car absolutely care when other enthusiasts call their car trash because of this fuel cut issue.

I have a supra. It also has fuel starve issues when you give it some grippy tires and fuel goes below 1/2 tank. Luckily there is a fix with aftermarket

truly baffling

This issue is a big red flag on the culture at Nissan and its future prospects i.e. its less than likelihood of surviving as a car manufacturer in the not too distant future

​@@VivanShahI see what you did there, unless the pun wasn't intentional😅

@@VivanShah ba dum tsh

​@@VivanShahAlright, get in the suitcase, we're sending you to Ghosn.

Those models without screens are gonna be worth mad money one day

objectively worse without screen

​@@williamheard8496Manuals are objectively worse too but we still like them.

I like the digital dash from the s550. GT350 with that dash would be nice.

@@HumbleHonkingEnthusiast It won't make a difference. At all. People always claim the last of some random feature will make cars more valuable but rarely does that ever happen.

It’s crazy when you can get a base model mid-engine corvette for the same price.

@kylev.1163: Yeah. I don't know all the background accounting numbers, but it seems like a lot of these makers are sabotaging new compact sports cars with these prices. Do people want fun little sports cars? YES! Are logical people willing to justify paying $60k+ for one? Not many. They're no longer a poor man's anything. They're strictly for the well-off at this point. I think they would have so many more sells if they dropped the msrp around $10 on each model. But again...I don't know if that would mean they're selling them at a loss or not.

You’d be silly to just not get a 370. You can’t say it’s slower then the competition when the new one is too. Like the other guy said if it’s already gonna be less impressive then then competition just get the older and proven car for way less. TLDR: Over Msrp to still be the worst on the block is crazy, just get the old car which is like 70% the same car.

@@TeensierPythontrue but with that logic, no one would buy any of these three cars and everyone would buy base vettes. Sometimes, it’s not about the lowest price.

@@housepianist Yep pretty much the reasoning behind any car, an older one can be had for cheaper and still offer pretty much what the new one does. What gets me is that the new Z is so much better looking than the porky BBW 350 and 370. Just took the best parts of all the Zs to date and made a nostalgic masterpiece. Well except that front grill, I understand cooling needs and all but there had to be a better way to do it. It does look better in black and dark blue though for obvious reasons.

WRONG CHANNEL LOL

They’ve been like this since day one

Well said

they're gems

Jack has been an awesome addition. I appreciate his passion and perspective. I also feel that the editing/cinematography has improved with time.@@revefamilyvideos3018

Wow i didnt even notice that 😂

Glad I wasn't the only one to notice that 😂

Noticed this too! 👏

Yeah I had to play it back a few times to make sure I wasn’t crazy

Came into comments to see if anyone else noticed lol.

Just saying that a $45K Camaro SS 1LE beats the Supra in bang for the buck performance stock vs stock by a high margin. I guess it would be interesting to compare if you included mods. Perhaps the Supra might provide more bang for the buck with mods due to the turbo, but it’s pretty easy to mod a small block Chevy too.

@@GrimSRT8agreed. My brother has a nice SS and its a beast right out the factory.

The Z isn't even worth it in performance spec imo, get the base and change your own brakes/LSD. Save 10k lmao I like how the FM platform drives, my g35 was one of the best balanced and fun street cars I ever had. I just can't get over the price on the new Z for what amounts to another 350z refresh

Parts bin Nissan never fails to disappoint. Sales proportional to effort put.

@@rosgoncharuk2403Nissan is broke from low sales of their entire lineup of cars in general and couldn’t afford good R&D for the Z. They can’t even afford to make the R36. It’s insane how much reputation and CVTs can destroy a company. They’re going down a financial black hole. They need to ditch JATCO NOW so they can earn more money from their bestsellers not having CVTs. This will allow them to have enough R&D to make a better Z (if they even make another generation at this point, sales are so low that they’ll probably discontinue the Z sadly) and make the R36. Nissan’s biggest problem is their CVTs. And it’s showing through the new Z… which sadly could be the last if its low sales keep up. And if the Z does continue, it would probably be cheaper to introduce it as an EV in the next few years if they’re already too far down the EV-market preparation scam-hole. Same for the R36, if we’re NOT lucky. They might end up like Mitsubishi in a decade if they’re aren’t careful enough. Nissan has another chance if they ditch CVTs in all of their cars and JATCO. They don’t have much time left though. Emission regulations, “Full-EV-Promise-By-203X”, and money spent on EV development could either make or break a good Z or even an ICE R36 from happening. NISSAN! F JATCO AND DITCH CVTS!!!!

Don't worry. I am sure their extensive telemetry gathering will save them. Always a good sign when a business is smart enough to build statistics. /s

Nissan is soon going bankrupt if they keep this up.

The thing is, I do not see anything on the Supra that isn’t track focused. Maybe just the brakes

I mean their comments support my experience. My Mach 1 is faster than the supra, NOLA Motorsports park, faster sweeping track. Also lightning lap shows Mach 1 is significantly faster than the supra around VIR. So basically supra is better handling on tight tracks, mustang on faster corners. So to say it's faster isn't totally true, but you couldn't really say the mustang is faster either.

Because the Supra weighs ~700lbs less lol. The Mustang DH was only half a sec slower tho.

@@Tattletale__ half a second slower and a whole lot more expensive.

@@jz7551 yeah can see that being true do to the added down force that comes equiped from factory. The supra doesn't really have any down force, in fact they mentioned it has lift. Its not really a track focused car like the dark horse is or they what have used a base gt lol

You could also get a used s550 for 34k

@@ssj_plugs Taking the comparison to the used market of the past generation is totally pointless here. The whole point of this video is the current market for fun, new cars, and it's relative inflation. If you're going to bring up the used market, I can say ill pick up a miata, or E55 AMG and throw $50k at it to compete with these lol. There's no line you can draw at that point. But scooping up a Coyote for $35k-ish isnt a bad buy at all.

@ZZPxFTW But even when the S550 is was new the Supras price dwarfed the mustangs. Me personally I like American muscle and for the price and faster and more power I would love to have a mustang. But if you like the Supra I don’t blame you I love the MK5 and it’s by far my favorite Toyota they have made in years despite people calling it a bmw lol.

Heck with the 20k saved you could afford huge anime character decals and a body kit for your new Supra.

@@beforeyourimmigrants8471 You know when someone tries to make a joke thats so unoriginal its just not even that funny....

I thought the fuel starvation in my Cappuccino was bad at 1/4th tank, but this is somehow far worse than I've ever seen.

​​@@Dolby109subtle flex 😂 wish I had a Cappuccino or a Beat

@@fortheloveofnoise9298 They are both fun, I had a Beat for a while (videos in my channel) and I miss it a lot, though the Cappuccino is better in most objective ways, and much easier to daily drive or take on a long trip.

Savings for a large down payment is the way, but once you get past 50k just lease it. This is why Miata is always the answer, a new one is actually pretty affordable.

You see, a Ford executive saw the prices houses are going for now and realized they’re under charging the youth because they all must be buying homes about now, right? Right?

NAILED it. California bastards that simp for these things and think everything is normal.

Your generation really needs to start seeing life as an RPG, its not all going to come your way in a year. You gotta level up to shit. It might take you to age 40 to get a Dark Horse/Supra tier vehicle there is no shame in that, you still got 30 years or so to live after that! Hearing your gen demanding 100K starting is getting embarrassing all that Reddit you read about careers is just BS.

In large parts of the world, the only motor vehicles most people can afford are a Honda Wave or Yamaha Sirius scooter. E.g., in Vietnam, where foreign cars like these are taxed at over 100% so average people won't even dream of owning them. Expecting vehicles to be affordable seems to be a uniquely USA phenomena?!

S550/S197 Mustang I’ll take over a Supra, but I’ll take the Supra over anything here.

Why? It’s a Z4 with a Fast and Furious body kit and badge

​@@michaelmcdonald9847the ignorance...

@@michaelmcdonald9847 the ignorance...

@@michaelmcdonald9847 its the most capable car here by a longshot. a simple tune of the ecu and it leaves the other two in the dust

It's still my pick of the bunch as a daily. We can only hope Nissan updates it soon to be viable.

I don't know how it's overpriced, it's cheaper than the mustang, but more than the Supra. Yet this is the top end Nismo model, it's more exclusive, and comes with lots of upgrades from bigger brakes to Recaro seats. It's priced the same as the 45th anniversary Supra which doesn't even have much over a standard Supra.

How is the anniversary Supra relevant when this tested version is still cheaper, faster, better to mod, better engine note, and better interior than the tested Z?

@@zachary5476 it's overpriced because it brings nothing new - it's an old parts bin Nissan that could've easily been 15% cheaper in each trim, boosting it's appeal. Sales numbers don't lie. Nismo barely makes it what the performance package should've been, yet, as you said, it's more "exclusive", so why should one go for "more exclusive" to get what it should've been from the get go? Why exclusive Nissan is worse than regular i6 Supra? Keep that justification to yourself, or better - put your money where your mouth is.

@@zachary5476it’s the same car as the 350z. It’s 3 generations on the same platform. It really was phoned in.

It can’t compete with real merikan horsepower anywayz

Very true, I had a lot of hope for the new Z and Nismo but now I’m just happy they made a new one. That Supra just punches way above its weight, and it’s not even a track variant like the others, scary potential.

@@emonoe Specs mean little. The automatic is goofy. It's all about driving experience. The Mustang is very unappealing to me, the Supra is just BMW. So the Nissan for me. I finally saw one in life this summer and it looks much better in person.

What’s frustrating is that Nissan has the skill and potential to have made a Z that leaves all its competitors in the dust. I agree that it feels that Nissan isn’t even trying at this point. I get the feeling that the Z’s days are numbered.

@@crawdaddy6969 the Nismo is the same auto. So when ya said AT is goofy, not even the Z can demand it for you.

Tiny car, terrible visibility. No thanks.

@mike_w_21 it is a tiny car but that's what makes it so nimble and light. Power to weight ratio is important. Visibility isn't the best but ain't unbearable. It's definitely not for everyone

Facts

Buy a camaro ss 1le. That's a better sports car than any of these

Maybe after mark up but MSRP dark horse isn't in the same league

I agree , but it can't even beat the 10k + cheaper Supra. That IMO Tells u everything u need to know

For the $ of these vehicles I would go Porsche all day long

I’ve driven a C8 Z51 and own a GT350. The C8 is significantly faster and more capable. Better power to weight, faster transmission, much better traction with the weight over the rear wheels. I prefer the character of my GT350 more, but it and the dark horse that replaces it don’t compete against the C8. The GT500 goes against the C8

Or VS Camaro ZL1

Throttle House laughs at this comment. 😂😂😂😂

Ford seems to think we can afford them 🥲

@@mistamaog yeah no kidding, they must be preparing for the influx of Dodge and Chevy customers 🤷

@@2moke2creen Exactly that, especially because they don't have many options nowadays

Haha I'm guessing it's on purpose. I saw the Z drift or power slide on track on Turn 2 that day

yes lmao

Good catch haha

Yeah, that caught my eye, too. I'm like "What the heck was that?".

Lol! Eggcellent catch! 😅

That's the supra going backwards isn't it?? The z is grey.

You won't regret it

Miata are the most fun for the price.. wheels and tires and the grip is amazing

just wait until the new Miata SUV EV comes out in 2026

ND2 Miata is amazing. Eff modern cars and their billion horsepower that you can’t even remotely use on the street. Not to mention consumables for something like the dark horse are going to be brutal….Gas isn’t cheap anymore, the tires are huge, and brakes are enormous as well. I owned a 19 SS 1LE and eventually went to a 2020 ND2 Club BBR pack While the SS 1LE was incredible, the Miata is more fun on the street (safely) and a hell of a lot cheaper to daily. Most fun car I’ve owned and I never get tired of it. It’s not perfect but it’s the best sports car on sale for under $60k in terms of fun IMO

Slow car fast is my favorite car cope,

Everything in society today is about penis size ...

Every time I see the new Z in a video I'm ready to be disappointed, unfortunately. This is coming from someone who has owned a 350 and 370. I think I'd honestly rather just keep my 370 and mod it than "upgrade" to the new one.

Same. I’d take the Z over the Supra and Mustang but I know it doesn’t have the same performance as the rest. That’s fine tho lol

As a Z and S chassis owner, i dont give a rats ass how much slower it is over the Transgender Supra or that Mustang, i will take that Z any day.

@@GoldenSnake32 same, the styling is enough for me lol

Hey, are you the guy who passed me on the right via the exit ramp when I was stuck behind a truck in the right hand lane on I90? If so, kudos for a baller move!

Yeah, I didn't get it either. They even stated outright that the Ford shouldn't have won based on the price alone...

two words: wind buffeting

​@@fortheloveofnoise9298two words: wind deflectors

@@fortheloveofnoise9298you can fix that for $10. Next two words, go.

@@fortheloveofnoise9298 two words. Wind deflectors.

Do they even make that car anymore? I thought they quit.

@@TeensierPython They do. In fact there's a 2024 model even. They just (for now) will be discontinuing it after this generation.

As great as the camaro platform is, it has nothing new to test drive it.

@@voodoodiecast they are being made until the end of the year. And even besides the point, they offer the best track performance for the money to date. What better benchmark to test new models?

@@scottw2140 again there’s nothing new about it. Nobody’s buying it cause they compromise alot for performance. Only a few go to a track to enjoy the camaro’s specialty while most are for street use which many didn’t enjoyed the impractical camaro.

Was noticed that toy was testing a more track focused mk5 in the UK recently with differnt tires,bigger brakes,and a new wing but no say in a power bump. So more or less they're Def getting ready to release a track version before the frmn version comes out.

It's already so twitchy and unstable I think that's a recipe for disaster. A real track version should be toned down more than the existing street version.

​@@elenchusthe track version which is the GRMN is coming with 500hp according to some reports and a much revised suspension. if that's actually true, then none of this cars here will be it's competitors, it will literally be dragging performance with the likes of the GTR and nsx

...unless you are someone who keeps your vehicles for many years and require high reliability.

@@davepaturno4290LMAO you think Nissan’s are reliable? 💀

​@@davepaturno4290c8 is the most reliable sports car from a long shot.. It has become the most reliable sports car year after year. Have you seen anyone complaining about the c8 reliability..

Starting with the LS1, corvettes have been pretty damn reliable

​@@WhiteComet_CAMy 370 has been bulletproof this far.

Mustang will probably be the cheapest. Coyote engines easily get 150k miles plus if maintained properly. There are plenty of parts out there and the engine is easier to work on. As much as I love the supra, you will pay bmw prices for parts and maintenance.

Reliable transportation with mostly BMW parts? I want whatever you're smoking.

​@@jeffkelly9197Depends on location. It's the other way around in Europe. Parts are plentiful und cheap

@@fireexe109 gonna guess there are way more mustangs and supras in NA compared to EU... possibly even Z4s are more plentiful in NA.

@@ADUSN there's plenty of dudes running 120k+ without issue. The highest I'm aware of on a Supra is 186k. One of the 120k mile owners has been at 600whp for 90% of those miles. The B58 is showing to be solid. Age still remains a factor we haven't seen though.

“ just needs money “

@@memepatrol3081 That's every car on the planet.

It has every reason to weigh 2 tons lol why else would it weigh 2 ton

use your brain. the mustang is a big car with a v8

@@twilightmedia8575 It's over 200lbs more than a GT350

If it didn't have 4 seats it would be faster than anything.

How is the supra not the "newer" car? Z is just a 370z chassis, which in turn is an upgraded 350z, which again in turn was designed late 90s compared to early 2010s to the Supra.

I think that is lighter and has better handling, so yes, it would be possible for the Camaro SS1LE to beat the Dark Horse at the laps.

The SS 1LE handles much better than the Dark Horse, so it would just depend on the track. I suspect on this tight track they used the Camaro would win. If you are talking straight line stuff, the Mustang wins…but you could buy a ZL1 for the same money as a Dark Horse if you care about that.

On Throttle House they discounted the Dark House solely for its numb steering, said the Camaros was far better. Surprised this test never mentioned it.

Apparently Dark Horse has one of stickiest tires in the market for track use. Better comparison would be running all the cars with the same tires for more accurate results!

Yes this would be great. In my experience, I'm a crap driver, the Mach 1 is faster than the gt350, marginally so and basically the same. I think if you are a good driver a gt350 would be faster, or maybe with autoblip mod. You would be surprised how much this helps not having to heal toe and get a perfect rev Mach every time. Also Mach 1 is much more forgiving of being a little low of the power band where the GT350 falls on it's face.

Add the Mustang GTD to that list too, please. Especially if they go with the GT350 R.

@@TheJeep1967 the GTD is like 300K it's not even in the same class. Not to mention basically nobody will have one. But I'm always up for a video of the GTD.

@@dhyskRand Very true! But I'd still like to see that. I don't expect it to happen but, wishful thinking?