Jeff goes over the differences, or more truthfully, similarities, between the transmissions on the 2024 KTM 300 XC-W TBI and the 2023/2024 KTM 300 XC TBI.
I'm the guy that mentioned they were the same transmissions in your first ride video but no worries at all! Great video and info to pass info along to people! I'm actually not a fan of the wide ratio (at least on a 2 stroke for single track) and actually bought a 23 TC 250 to avoid it. I had an 11 300 XC and still have a 18 250 XC-W and really prefer the 11-22 XC trans. When I saw the new 23 XC ratios that are actually a wider spread than the 11-23 XC-W(although the 1-2 gap is a touch tighter which is nice) I decided to try the moto bike/trans. I don't really mind the low 1st on the W but hate the 1-2 gap and the 2-3 gap isn't great either. Always fighting with 1-2 on my 18. The 250 makes it worse as well but I just like 250s better. I only ride mountain single track and absolutely love this 23 and the close ratio 5 speed (geared down on the countershaft sprocket).
I’ll admit the first time I watched one of your videos I thought a tad grumpy. Now, that I’ve watched a lot of your content I very much appreciate your straight forward approach. It’s not grumpy at all, it’s honest and to the point. Thanks.
The new TBI fuel injection system has two injectors, like the TPI system, but with TBI they have different jobs. One is dedicated to idle and low speed operation, the other is for power. They are also located in different positions in the throttle body. This way the fuel mixture can be more accurately controlled in a variety of demand conditions. Cold starting behavior is also said to be improved. For those of us who ride year round in very cold weather this is good news. The TPI bikes would cold seize, even with careful warm up because the cold mix oil was injected against the reed block and wouldn’t penetrate properly until the motor was warm. There was no gasoline injected with the mix oil to act as a solvent and dilute it when cold and coagulated. TBI has an injector located on each side of the reed cage. It will be interesting to see if average fuel economy improves with the new system. I bet it will due to the newfound efficiencies.
Yes Jeff I had the new map installed in my ‘23 300xc Saturday , Grand Junction Ktm did it. I call the service department and they new about it. As I was told the when they hook up to the ktm network it shows a “mandatory” software update. I’m not sure there is a map number. Any the bike is definitely leaner. Cleaner off the bottom and I felt like I had to stop and clean it out (loading up). Nice improvement. By the way great video and explanation as usual! Enjoyed your channel ever since you started it!
It's gotta be all down to the mapping now. the tuning between that and the electronic PV must give it the feel different. There is a new map as of June for the XC. Cleans up the rich low end.
This may be a silly explanation for the sprockets, but having a 13/45 to start gives you more "range" in larger sprockets to go up teeth for more low end pop on the XC-W. It is a minor detail and sure it is easy to drop a tooth up front, but for W owners it seems like they made it easier for them. My first KTM was an mid-2000's 450 EXC with a 14 up front and one of the things I did was drop the front sprocket to a 13.
I got a 2023 GasGas EX250F to mess around with this past Spring, so it’s the Cross Country model. In the EU they sell a EC enduro version. Anyway, from what I could find the EX model has all the same ratios as the EC. Which feels good to me.
@@sao007 I’ve got a 23 XCW also that I ride the harder stuff in. I think the XC will do it as good or better with different gears. Trying to sell the tpi now lol
Jeff, that was a really good review and has shed some light on the new models that someone who hasn't owed owe yet can do. As for you being grumpy, I don't take it that way. Love your reviews and tech vids. The peeps that call you grumpy are misinterpreting your flat out directness and being candid. That's a good thing in my opinion. Thanks again!
Perhaps the 14 on the xc is due to the new frame and c-shaft position and it might be a factor in the chain torque or lack thereof. I don't know if they have moved the c-shaft on the W but maybe Jeff can tell us if there is a difference on how each bike loads the rear tire and how much squat they have between them.
Regarding the mileage… a buddy bought a 23 XC. He claims the fuel pump intake is too high in the tank and leaves gas in the tank. I can’t personally verify this info, but thought I would pass it along.
I immediately geared my TE300 down becayse of people saying it was needed. Regretted that immediately. My last 3 bikes were TXs. Im glad the internal gearing is the same, i was greatneoth my 23 TX300. So, back to the stock gearing i go woth my TE Pro
The new Beta 300 has an over square motor now, they say it much better?? Having owned one, for me the Beta motor and gearbox are great, but that's where it stops !! Great review Thanks 🙂
If I remember right, I think the xcw has six less horsepower. Also after 30 KTM‘s, I actually bought a 2020 300 because I wanted oil injection and the 2020 KTM 300s FI had a few bugs in some bikes for my liking and for a bike that cost over 10k and with my luck I would have gotten one of the bad ones and my local dealers is about useless.Also Beta changed the rod length on the 2022 300s and the RR gets the longer stroke and have more hit. Now my 2020 has the same long stroke rod and it does very well and has good low end . And I’m also tall and the Suspension stock was a disaster, but once I got it revealed for my weight and added new springs and put my handlebars up to the nosebleed section it’s fine now, and you think people sometimes complain about Jeff…well most people would die if they seen how high I keep my bars and I even had to have a hydraulic clutch hose made that was 6 inches longer than stock to get it to work but it works for me. My attack position is standing straight up.
I think this is the least amount of complaints I've heard from Jeff on a new bike. That's pretty impressive. I would love to buy one but since I live in California and dirt bikes destroy the environment, I cannot be awarded a sticker. Although a cruse ship burns 1 gallon of diesel to travel 50 feet and billionaires can send themselves into space. But dirt bikes are the problem!
I can’t speak to the KTM as I have a Husky but we had some fueling issues with my 23 TX300. We tore throttle body apart the other day and we swapped injectors with a 24 TX300. We noticed the injectors were significantly different between the 2 years. 23’s have 4 nozzles in the center of the injector and the 24’s have 6 or 8 spray nozzles around the perimeter. We also hooked the bike up to KTM’s computer and it did an ecu update and 2 days later there was another update. It seems there are changes happening far faster than any of the dealers even know about.
Makes sense. You would want a smaller sprocket in the rear of the XCW for hard Enduro. Less likely to catch on a rock. But it causes more friction to have a smaller, sprocket upfront and where in tear.
I was thinking the larger sprockets on the xc for higher speed, like you say for less wear. Slower speed of xcw in tighter woods wouldn't be as big as issue. But them maybe it does have to do with countershaft placement in frame
Im really torn which to get now. I currently have a Honda 450RX and its too big and burly for our tight wood trails. I was hoping the w was a wide ratio for the rare time i do ride open trail i can cruise and not be wide open.
So I'm guessing the SX ratios will drop in if you want, maybe? Seems like all the factory hard enduro bike builds start with an XC-W/TE and one of the mods they seem to always mention is dropping the XC/TX ratios in. Hard to believe they would take that away from those guys.
Well you know most likely they decided that the x c should have a wider ratio transmission like the xc-w and maintain the linkage rear shock. I mean being also a KTM and Yamaha owner I would be willing to plunk down the cash for the wide ratio transmission to fully convert my YZ into a yz250x.
Since you mentioned that you need different ergonomics for your bike, I was wondering if you were able to source lower footpegs somewhere ? Also, yes there is new map for your 2023 xc that fixes the richness and the fault code when you hit the start button with the bike already running Thanks
Bonjour Monsieur: Unfortunately I have not. I currently have on Fastway Evo 4 from my ‘23 W but the angle is too extreme. I’m going to heat them and twist them to change the angle. Flow Racing is working on a new lower and set back peg but it may be a minute before it’s available.
If you’re putting parts on the ‘24 300xcw, is it the same as the ‘23 XC? Trying to get a few parts order and am not well versed on understanding the changes from the old model to the knew one to feel confident everything will work/fit
I'm still showing 13/50. 13/45 seems weird. My '22 te was 13/52. I want to try a 50 on it. Interesting they would go back to the 50, maybe the tbi has a little more in the motor department than the tpi. Or I'm all wrong, that is the case from time to time.
Jeff, can you help, I am picking up a 2024 tomorrow. I am shopping on your site and have some goodies in my cart ready to check out but I need help, can you tell me if the KTM Extreme parts fan SKU: EP-RFT-TPI , with the temperature relay, will it work with this Bike? does this bike have the same plug ?
Hello, the Extreme Parts Fan Kit EP-RFT-TPI will not fit the new 2024 models. Extreme Parts has a fan kit for these models that we will have up on our website soon. The Trail Tech Fan Kit FN3 does fit all off the 2024 models except the MX models (KTM SX/SX-F, Husqvarna TC/FC, and GasGas MC/MC-F).
I noticed difference in woods between my 21 Husky tx and my new 2023 Tx 300 and suspected this wider trans was now on all,I prefer the older xc/Tx close ratio. I tried with 14/50,51 and 52. still ok but not as good as old close ratio,
I understand that your saying the primary transmission ratios are the same and I've done the same and checked the part numbers but......I've heard a ktm PowerPoint presentation saying the primary drive transmission ratios are different. Might be worth pulling both primary covers off and counting the teeth
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Look at it as a manufacturer not a dirtbiker. To boost profits for 23/24 they are standardizing on as much as possible. Larger qty orders of one part from suppliers means big qty discounts, it unifies production processes, inventory, warranty, trouble shooting etc. All the small differences betweeen models over the years has been really complicated theri business.
Could ktm part numbers be incorrect? If the transmissions are the same maybe they will drop the "W" name in USA and go with EXC. If this years bike is so good I'm curious who all was involved in development and engineering etc. anyone new or just all the stars lined up at this point in time.
So the 24 XCW’s are de-tuned 23 XC’s with “decent” stock forks that are going to have ravens or something else dropped in… like the what everyone is doing with the XC’s…
Yess the ratio si the same. But you préfèr 13x45 or 14x49 ? because front sprocket produces a change in behavior. Front 13 better or front 14 with same ratio that is the question 🤔🤔 utilisation for enduro GP not extrême
Hello Bald Dude I suspect your W does not have the latest map. Return to your dealer and ask them to update it. No more granny gear. The new tranny is much better but sounds like you need to change sprockets to make it work for you.
@@slaverace1 Yeah, I called and they said when they had it hooked up to unlock it today, it said it didn't need an update. I put a 12 tooth on and it's more like my 2020 XCW.
