Ultimate Comparison | Type R v GR Corolla v Elantra N v Subaru S209 v Golf R 

Carlos you are a LEGEND sir.

Carlos are you safe? Blink twice if you need an evac.

M-N, M performance-N performance, M Town-N village. Hyundai Motor is copying the bmw M like a fake Chinese car in an insignificant way, using Albert Biermann as a shield.🤣🤣🤣😅😅😅

Great seeing you on this channel!

​@@tmeisenmann3285 well BMW gave up on driver involvement back in 2011 so what u gonna do 🤷

That's what these cars do. I don't know why people buy these as track cars. They are fun winter cars on the street but that's it.

​@@cwx8 the Crosstrek is about the perfect daily driver. I'm not interested at all in their cars any longer sadly. I do need to drive a BRZ still though.

​@@cwx8That's what Subarus do. My FK8 has 102k miles with at least 25 track days/autocross along the way. Runs like a top, doesn't even consume oil. You don't have to compromise like that with modern cars, and at these price points you shouldn't IMO.

Modern Subaru engines are trash

Subaru: TRADITION

Did they say s209 engine EXPLODE lol..

If a S209 couldn't handle being tossed around the track and hooligan'd with, whats the point? I mean it is a Subaru, the same company that lets STIs blow up when you do... STI things when them like swing it in a dirt lot.

@@izzy9022 and that’s why Subaru will go out of business in the next 15 years.

@@faheemabbas3965 we can only hope

@@faheemabbas3965 LOL I highly doubt it. The 1% of the enthusiast Subaru market that buy STi's (which aren't even made anymore) Don't make up for the 99% of Subaru buyers that buy Crosstreks, Foresters, Ascent's etc which is what actually makes them the vast majority of their profit and return buyers. Normal people don't have issues with their normal Subaru engines blowing up most of the time. Yeah it happens, but it happens on plenty of other cars too and a lot of times it's from bad maintenance. I'm not defending Subaru's performance engines blowing up and I wish they'd do a better job too, but I just don't agree that they will go out of business from it lol. Just too many normal non car people that love Subaru and buy them because they're excellent in bad weather and great family cars that are very safe as well. That's what will keep them in business, Not the WRX or STi unfortunately.

The R whips the S3 in instrumented testing and on track. The R shares the good rear diff with the RS3. The S3 has to make do with the last generation unit.

Because this channel is unbiased. The GR has all top end power and an awd that overheats.

I test drove the latest WRX, Integra Type S, and Golf R before settling on the Golf R. My disappointment in Honda/Acura not offering anything with SH-AWD and 6MT biased my choice to go with the Golf R, perhaps. That torque vectoring is noticeable, even in the real world when pulling out onto a busy highway....pushing the WRX and Golf R through a roundabout was much more enjoyable than the fwd Type S IMHO...and the "luxury car wanna-be" vibe of the Golf R with less tire/wind noise also helped it win the "I admit I will use it more as a daily driver than weekend track toy" shoot-out....but, yes, I owned an ELS equipped Acura for 8 years and the Golf R sound system is tinny by comparison, and I'm still irritated by the HVAC controls after two months....Also, I should point out, my last car was a 2018 Mustang GT w/performance pack, and the 2024 6MT in the Golf R feels a heckuva lot better than the MT82 in the Mustang...so, VW either improved the shifter feel since this video was made, or the MT82 is that bad....(and I had a 2010 TL SH-AWD 6MT before it with the usual Honda-awesome shifter). And lastly, I found a dealer who sold me the Golf R for MSRP, $5K UNDER the MSRP of an Integra Type S despite things like headup display, ventilated seats, and that torque vectoring AWD added to the VW....So, if anything, this is an appeal to Honda to offer torque vectoring AWD with 6MT and few more creature comforts on the Integra Type S, and I *might* show up with the checkbook if the MSRP stays sane...Or maybe an appeal to Subaru to figure out how to get 30-40 more hp out of their engine without destroying it's current fuel economy rating or reliability.

The Elantra N wasn’t octane learned, in their footage under WOT it’s making 15 pounds, once the ECU learns the gas it can push 19 pounds, wonder if the lap times would have been different. When my Elantra was stock there was a noticeable difference when the car is octane learned vs not learned.

Because the style of review matters. Everyone that treats it like a rally car instead of a track car has the opposite opinion of the narrative around this comparison video. It's not a track car at all. It's a sister vehicle to the homologated rally car that is the GR Yaris. The AWD system wasn't designed for the stress of grippy track conditions.

true like not even participating in this segment :(

Yes where is the speed 3 successor? Mazda, come back please!

All the money is in multiple variants of midsize CUVs :(

M-N, M performance-N performance, M Town-N village. Hyundai Motor is copying the bmw M like a fake Chinese car in an insignificant way, using Albert Biermann as a shield.🤣🤣🤣😅😅😅

You're just asking for the turbo owners to jump in here and explain that their torsion rear and economy brakes are perfectly adequate

As in having his own YT channel? He’s professional as one can get in automotive journalism.

​@@eloneatmyshorts /wwwwoooooooossssshhhhhh 💨💨🍃

Nah dude's a hack

r/woosh

😂 good jokes

Here here!! I have an old clutch of SCC mags I’ll keep forever. Imagine if Mike Kojima was present for this review too?!? Internet would have broken lol

@@brianschmitz4486 I'd imagine if Mike was in any of SG videos it would be more comedy than anything since he talks at a speed and with a tone like he's drunk and half awake. I've seen Dave Coleman on a few episodes which is always awesome to see.

I have *decades* of Car and Driver and Motor Trends. Wife's been trying to get me to throw them out for decades, as well. Never gonna let them go!

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nice $20 🙂

@@good-tn9sr That'll buy like half a pound of beef! *drools*

@@Gruntsworth 😀 beef

how did you donate ? i can not find any links ? can you please explain ?

@@snggarageeng if ur on mobile it’s right next to the likes button > share > remix > thanks 🙂

Same, I always loved watching those! This collaboration was great, I always like seeing savagegeese's technical breakdown of the cars. I test drove a Type R before buying an Elantra N and the road feel and cornering on both are solid. I would have loved to have been able to test drive them more seriously before purchasing just for the experience though😁

Same! His C7 Corvette Z06 video is GOAT.

I missed Carlos until cammisa took over and really brought it

@@tnutss both are great in their on ways in my opinion

Very true. He's made huge beefy strides.

Yeah I was thinking the exact same, even mentioned it to my gf. Similarly with Zack with The Smoking Tire, Jack has established his persona and really adds to the channel. And really slick production and top notch presentation of the information results in top quality content. Well done all!

Jack is the Asian guy, right?

His college career and graduate career is impressive as that is what allows him the income to afford his toys as it does for me and my Maybach. You must be latino as they don't value education as a way into the middle class (or just a high school graduate) 😢, Ravi Peiris M.D.

@@ravipeiris4388 you’re trolling

Yep! Topher is the only other one I watch religiously.

*Jack B58

Agree. The go to channel for actually finding out about any car in detail.

Yea that's why I love how C&D let bmw fall flat on their faces at lightning lap since bmw doesn't give them fresh sets of tires to do the test

I have two criticisms of that approach, although I can respect it. 1. Companies can use expensive tires to compensate for shitty chassis tuning if they believe comparison results are important in selling that model. 2. A maximum performance tire may not be the best choice for a particular vehicle. Case in point the GR86 where you want to be able to use the available power to slide it around.

I respect that philosophy behind it, but tires are something anyone can go out and buy this literal minute, for basically any car. For this reason, I think its important to test cars together using the same tire. Also, most manufacturers aren't providing sticky tires on their normal cars, because they really aren't made as track cars. The only cars in this group, that I would say is made to be on the track, is the CTR and STI. The others, though can be decent track toys, are more of daily driver vehicles, with sportiness thrown at them. With that in mind, manufacturers won't provide sticker tires from the factory because there is no need for the manufacturer to spend more money on the stickier tires, and provide them from the factory! They know the car is more of a daily street driven type of car. So, when doing these kinds of comparison tests, where a CTR, for example, that is way more track focused, is being compared to a Golf R, of course the CTR will come with stickier tires from the factory. That right there gives the CTR a major advantage over the Golf R, when racing on a track. So to make the playing field more even, using the same tires is a much better comparison. And guess what? We saw the results, and the Golf R, for example...a car I thought would be at least a second or two off the lap time of the CTR, is barely slower. Barely!! So them using the same tires really puts in perspective how good these cars really are, even without being track focused from the factory, like the CTR.

@@Talynen these were not maximum performance tires...re-watch the video, the GR86 had no available power to slide anyways

@@timevans9427 There is no GR86 in this comparison test. I'm providing an example of a different car that has historically been intentionally optioned with a tire that has less grip so that you can enjoy driving it more on the street.

Hey how’s the gas mileage I’ve been looking at the Elantra n

I have a '22 Elantra N MT, I would say it really depends on your driving style. I average around 27 to 31 MPG. If I really push it it'll be 26 MPG. If I just refuel and it I take a back road omw home and go like 45mph, I'll get 41MPG. @@cozy8397 I'm easily refueling every week.

@@cozy839723 if u not stepping on it. Pretty good. N Mode jugs fuel and its pretty addictive

My great great grandpa also was a n-r owner

As a fl5 owner I second this, EN is such a bargain.

And if we want to talk track times only, the Elantra N DCT would have won here period. Difference in acceleration between the manual and DCT is pretty significant under 100mph.

EN owner now for 2 months...Absolutely love it. I went with DCT. Sure, you don't get the raw feel of the throws, but the transmission feel and sound, on the outside of the car, would lead anyone to believe you're driving a stick. I was shocked. Also, I'm sure my neighbors appreciate the ECO mode exhaust dampening without even realizing the noise I could create.

Also from the driving clips it looks like it wasn't octane learned...

​@@reyfuentes4572 I was looking for a comment saying this. It definitely didn't seem to be. Guess we'd have to see the actual lapping footage to know for sure.

And if you go thier amazing DCT, There'll be a decent performance and usability advantage

@@reyfuentes4572 sorry but what does octane learned mean?

​@Devon Saunders it's something Hyundai does to ensure good fuel before turning the boost up. Factory = 15 PSI, octane learned = 19 PSI. There's a process to make it happen with highway driving. I say that as someone that doesn't own one but has researched owning one.

Agree. Il take calmness, thoughtfulness and considered opinion any day of the week, over the forced humour of other channels.

100% agree on everything except the trans. It’s there, I enjoy using it. The thing could be better but if I want to (and I am) I can change bushings and the shifter to improve it. Other than that, the car is a great daily, the infotainment is weird but usable once you get used to it, it’s comfortable and composed on any kind of road, and on a b-road I’m not sure there are many cars that will outrun it or be more fun. It stops getting more engaging once you push it past 8/10s, but I’m not gonna go that hard on a public street. If I want something for track work, I’m not going to punish my daily anyway so I’d get something else. Plus where I live AWD is a necessity so the Elantra and Civic were a no go

As a DSG Golf R owner I agree, but my car has not been on track yet

Golf R with DSG for the win in the real world.

I have a MK8 GTI Autobahn and I completely agree w/ you on the infotainment system. Reviewers complain about it but honestly you get used to it pretty quick. I’ve driven the car pretty aggressively on winding country roads and never once accidentally bumped a button or setting or had any of the issues they worry about. It’s completely fine.

What bugs me more is the Germans making you pay for all the extras. That’s why I went Hyundai. The size below (i20) but markedly less than half price a golf R in the UK.

I’m not sure why they called that out because as far as I know the only brands that cover track use are Porsche (for their GT cars) and Chevy for the 1LE cars. I’ve had issue with Toyota in the past honoring an engine failure from track use. Most brands struggle with this, not just Hyundai.

It's funny when you have an engine failure in a video with a guy named Carlos. 😆

10k cheaper is only assuming you can get a new CTR at MSRP and good luck with that. Realistically, it could be as high as 30k cheaper (40k vs. 70k)!

It’s even better than that for the Hyandai. The real marked up price Honda dealers are getting for the R is close to double what you will pay for an N model.

The exact reason I went and bought a 23 EN. The Volkswagen dealer right beside the Hyundai dealer had a used 22 gti with 16k miles asking for 42k for it and I gladly passed and got the EN 3 days later.

do you want to hear a joke? H'UNDAI

Hell yeah!

Just curious, what would you have to say about the H/K dealerships not honoring warranty and other horror stories related to H/K cars?

@@faheemabbas3965 So far, the experience has been fine. The Hyundai dealer has not been any worse than the Honda and Toyota dealerships I'm used to.

@@faheemabbas3965 At my local road course, I met a Veloster N owner who had his engine replaced under warranty even after money shifting on track. They only seem to void N car warranties if they've been heavily modified/tuned. Conversely, I was there when a GR86 owner blew his engine on the first lap of his first session (I had a GR86 at the time as well but witnessing this turned me off of the platform for track use). Toyota denied his warranty and he had to pay $10k out of pocket to get it fixed. Dealership experience wise, I've bought 13 new cars from Ford, Volkswagen, Mazda, Toyota, and now Hyundai. In the Mid-Atlantic at least, dealer franchise ownership dictates the experience much more than the brand itself. Most dealers are shit with only a few decent ones for each brand. Honda in particular seems to have no good dealerships in MD or northern VA.

@@faheemabbas3965it depends on the dealership like most cases.

It probably includes the cost of 2-3 replacement motors under warranty.

The Corolla is ugly!

It's a collectors edition with only 209 made.. and the resale value holds very well. STi's were 40k.. You can't use the price of the S209 as a comparison.

@@dubba07 hurrdurrr subawu engine bad... no. The owners being clueless are what causes Subaru engines to blow. That car never should have been on a track without having the stock oilling system replaced.

@@hhaste Just because something was made in a limited edition, does not mean it is worth spending, ofcourse it is my opinion. A lot of men love collecting things and they got no idea why.

The brace is also SUPER easy to remove. Like a minute tops in case you need to fit something big (hasn't limited me yet and I've fit full tents + track gear no problem).

Agree 100%! 👍

i got a red one for 7k over. i passed on a blue one for 6k over.

​@@StrongerThanEver84that's still too much over msrp.

I don't care what car it is. But paying OVER MSRP is DUMB.

As well as the only FWD vehicle while the others are all AWD

I like the N exhaust system. But I’m sorry, that car is ugly. Also the Type R is FWD

@@JG-mg3if i agree. The N sounds amazing and mechanically its a bargain but its absolutely hideous looking. the worst looking car out of the bunch in my opinion

The i30N is a hatch and not really that related to the Elantra N. The Elantra N is a culmination of all the good bits on the other N cars.

You're gonna love it man

@@williamrori1274 It was awesome. Already booked the 2nd day and can feel the addiction growing :)

Thank you for hanging in and the support.

A more controlled environment here helped produce more accurate results. Same tires, same driver, same weather conditions

That helped some but the being on same tire is the real difference. If the ELANTRA was on cup twos and the civic was on PS4 S during lightning lap the ELANTRA would’ve been quite a bit quicker then type r

If the Kona N was on cup 2’s tho….

@@oraclemiata845 or the Elantra N DCT….

EN wasnt octane learned, i honestly think it couldve gotten a better time if it was hitting 19-20 psi boost instead of 15. food for thought i guess

I have a tuned 2018 sti..the fact this one was "stock"...but was it?..its hard to believe in 2023 STOCK STI's are STILL blowing up?......

As an 2015 STI owner, I chuckled when they said the STI blew up lmao

Donut Media blew 7 Suburau Ej25 engines in their cheap vs expensive Subaru Wrxs.

Sell your STI & buy an evo 😂

@@ericellazar8532 I never really considered an Evo because of the sub-par interior quality and the lack of Subie rumble. They are cool cars though.

I agree but 99.9% of these cars will be purchased by people that will never take then to a track. So real world testing is important too and in this case the Golf R takes the win in my book.