.22 LR Handgun for Self Defense? CCI Stinger Ammo Test 

Sorry for replying to such an old comment, but I’ve been wondering about this for a bit. How does the ems/emergency room actually tell which caliber caused a GSW? Obviously it’s easy if the bullet was found intact in the wound, but it’s my understanding that hollow points tend to deform and/or fragment quite a bit when subjected to the irregular densities of human tissue, and fmj rounds tend to penetrate straight through. Please don’t take offense, I’m genuinely curious if there’s a method used to determine the cause of a GSW when the projectile is missing/deformed.

@@setherton9306 I’m guessing it’s the police detectives who find out all that stuff somehow

Many times the gun is still onscene. Sometime the bullet is still inside the body cavity. Most of the time the caliber is unknown, unless it's a shotgun blast.

Thank you

I once shot a deer with a 22 Ruger revolver at 25yards , I was aiming at the head , but being the awesome shooter that I was at 16 years old I hit it right in the gut , it ran 30 yards and fell dead .

My first handgun is a Taurus TX-22. I love it. Holds 16 rounds, and wherever I point, I make contact. Ballistics is important, but aiming is critical and since I don't go to the range often, nor have the money to buy ammo like that, I'll stick with my 22 any day of the week.

@@menomisespeanut you are wright. 22 lr is good for self defense ( my personal opinion) I know there will be people creticizing but is possible to aim and place more shots in less time and this is very important if we are dealing with multiple attackers, we have more chance to get out of a situation. The saying "stopping power" is controversial and no one is going to stop after getting shot and say is a 22, I will be fine! Just people with powerful drugs in the system if the shoot is in a leg or arm maybe they will don't fell the pain and continue walking but, if the shoot is in the head, they will drop dead before they realize they are actually dead. Is possible to kill a cow with a single shoot in the head and the bone tissue is thicker than the human one. Also if it is in. the chest ( heart) the result is the same. I prefer ,22 less expensive for training, very light guns, and less dangerous because of over penetration like comparing with 9 mm, and the shoots are more precise.

@@paulojorgemachado5116 hell yeah

Only good in a revolver.

I keep a .22lr rifle by the bed. My wife keeps a .22lr TX Taurus bedside too. Both are loaded with CCI VELOCITOR rounds. We don't plan on killing our next door condo neighbor with a stray .38/.357 Mag, or a 9mm. Besides not too many intruders will stick around with a .22lr burning through them at 1435 fps from my rifle, or about 1200fps out of her pistol...and followed by a dozen more almost instantly.

Yep. They ain't our grandfather's .22lr anymore.

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@Calvin What % of failures are we talking about? I shot .22s over 50 years and guessing well under 1% misfires. (I shot thousands of rounds competition.)

@@1Skeptik1 there is a video by Paul Harrell where he shoots 1,000 rounds from various rifles & pistols. He had 6 failures. So we can estimate the average failure rate is .06%

@@commoguy25q Thanks, good information. When I shot competition (slow, timed and rapid fire) 60 round drill with 10 guys on the firing line misfires happened very rarely. We shot high Standards and Smith 41 and a few Browning Medalists. Personally, I would not hesitate to "carry" my 4" Buckmark and I own a Colt Trooper .357 - both spot on accurate. Cheers!

@Calvin I have been through a few thousand rounds of .22LR in the past few month at the range. CZ rifle, GSG 1911. 1 and I repeat only 1 failure to fire and I'm talking about bulk, cheap stuff, not CCI. 22 is more then up to the task.

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i loved the ribs and oranges test. the fleece bullet stop was gold. interesting how you had different results with about the same barrel length. the two test were a little different so im a little curious if it was the gun or the test medium that gave you better expansion.

Water slows the bullet faster, creating expansion.

erozpl01 A human body is mostly water.

Mostly, but not all. Ballistics gel is supposed to more closely resemble flesh. Plain water is very "hard" and incompressible, which is why it causes expansion so easily. Add the various ingredients that make us... us, and you get a squishy mass that may be mostly water, but has different ballistic properties.

The gell is to thin, not dense enough to even be comparing to a persons body. The body is mostly water but the consitancy and layout of a body is NOTHING like water......lol

.22 9mm 40. 45

i realy appreciate when LE reply as they are talking real world experience.thankyou sir

@@bgnekow1 Hey Bob, Thanks for the comment. I wrote my comment above four-years ago. Reading it over, I feel I wouldn't change one word of it. Ruger has come out with the LCP II in .22 lr. I have not fired one yet, but given Ruger's R&D, I'm thinking it might even 'best' the SR 22. Worth a look if you're in the market for such a pocket pistol. Again, Good to hear from you.

I did a video largely inspired by Greg Ellifritz's research. I still have not internalized his and my own argument for the 22. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kR3THJW5smQ.html

I have the Sig P322. I load 20 in the 25 round magazines for the same reason. I've never been more accurate with larger rounds. I can triple tap 3 round into a 2 inch group, and double tap a head shot both near the eyes. I use Federal Punch rounds in mine.

That can be said for any caliber...

except that its easier to do a good shot placement with a .22lr And I'm a 9mm shooter so i'm not biaised

If I use my 50 BMG and hit your two legs and a arm it's probably better than a 22

Eric Smith Yeah, but that 50 won't do any good if you miss. Which is his point.

KingLT82 Unless you hit the mark with your first shot of a larger caliber 22lr has the best chance of hitting the mark with each follow up shot. And each shot can be taken quicker smaller the caliber.

Very sorry to hear about your brother. Take care of your family.

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I lost a classmate to a 22 LR round when he inadvertently discharged a firearm while changing seats in the family vehicle.

@@Me2Lancer Some idiot was telling me on the internet that the .22LR is a BB.

It's pretty ridiculous that people do. The high death rate at virginia tech was partly due to one of the guns being a 22lr.

@Liam good one. :)

I've had the same thing happen with a couple of co-workers.... It's funny how they talk crap ... But don't want to eat any....

What about at 8yds? hmmmm

hilarious!! Amen Brother!

Shot placement it is. Thanks, sir.

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Good point.

Cops also miss 80% of their shots. Not ragging on the police, but it's usually not as simple as that. Either way, shot placement will get you a lot farther with a more potent caliber.

There is a well known incident, where a police officer shot armed attacker 14 times with .45 cal. And 6 of those hit vital points, including liver, both lungs and the upper part of the heart. And he still kept coming and shooting the officer. It's not that much about shot placement, since nobody can't aim to a certain part of vitals, because nobody can't see them. Just a ballpark of where they are located.

It's nothing I'm proud to say but anytime i hear people talk crap about 22lr for self defense i just shake my head . My grandpa 17 years ago shot his brother n law 10 times In the stomach with a Glenfield model 60 (22lr) for beating my grandpas sister the man didn't die but he had %75 percent of his intestines took out and is paralysed and peeing and pooping in a bag for the rest of his life. He will never beat another woman. My grandpa got 3 years as never been in trouble. Axton Virgina. 22lr will get the job done !

How many zombies you get?

Someone with 10 .22's in their face is not going to continue attacking you!

i cant think of many wallets that are worth getting tagged in the chest with a .22, their isnt a criminal alive who would continue to chase you with more than one of these in their body.

XXLEE211XX so what you are saying is he got shot 10 times with a 22 and survived. Thats the point im trying to make. 22 absolutely sucks for dropping someone on the spot. You need something that does massive trauma very quickly, a 22 just doesnt cut it. Not saying a 22 isnt lethal because its more than lethal, but i definitely wouldnt choose it for anything other than groundhogs and squirrels

Lol every 22 is!

A knife also has slightly more surface area than a 32 grain bullet...

A .22 Long Rifle 40 grain bullet fired from a tiny NAA revolver will go through three 2x4's and almost through a 4th Melissa

Melissa get back in the kitchen

@@LeaverAction A 22 lr fired through a mini revolver will go through 3 2x4,s???? I don't think so. As a matter of fact I'm positive it won't. I'm not trying to be a dick but I will put money on it

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MuddyTigerOutdoors I even have also practiced quick draw onto target with .22 I own a Beretta Neos, a SIG .22 both are target pistols also I have a Ruger 1O/22 with extended mag... I also still have the original rotary magazine __. Mine is all wood stock... I have spent countless hours with every firearm I possess to place each round into or as close to the first shot hole... I own at least one of every caliber firearm and tons of different brands... however when I go out to target shoot .... I always have the most fun playing with my .22’s .... they truly are a great little round ... I love my 22’s.

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17 ounces plus ammo,

And I would say you haven't been to many bar fight scenes... People have been known to take multiple 22... hell even 9mm shots to the stomach, lower ribs, and keep fighting. One time a guy shot 3 times... still managed to shoot another guy after being shot those 3 times. They both had glock 9mm pistols and both died from their injuries. Thinking because you get the first shots off is going to save your life is silly. You want to stop a man in his tracks with a center mass shot get a .40 or better. There is a difference between stopping a man and being lethal.

painlessguy I dont think there would be a shootout in a self-defense situation. Imagine the typical scenario where a criminal who wants to mug you or rob your business or steal from your home or car but gets shot once and can still force themselves and fight but instead runs away due to risk of either getting shot again or getting caught. This is fine because he will not continue his attack. I really cannot think of a scenario where someone would get shot and continue to fight back. Conclusion: While what you say is true, I think for self-defense this round (or even a weaker one if possible!) would be "good enough."

The assailant could easily choose to shoot back. In a high stress situation their fight or flight reaction is going to take over. Who knows what way they will react. They won't be thinking clearly in the moment for sure. Maybe they go with the 5fight reaction... they may go with flight, but you can't really predict it. I'm not saying the 22 isn't lethal or very undesirable to be shot by. If it's all I had then yes it would be better than not being armed. I'm just of the opinion if you are going to choose a defense weapon there are much better rounds that produce a lot more knock down energy. A 22 stinger the bullet used in this demonstration from a pistol produces around 85ft/lbs of energy. Even a .380 will produce ~185ft/lbs of energy from a similar pistol with a similar length barrel using low end ammo, while keeping recoil very manageable. I personally have a 380, but it's not my top choice. I still stand by what I said if I'm going out to purchase a weapon for self defense the 22 isn't even going to get a blip on the radar. If I knew what I knew now when I bought my pistol I would have got a 45 acp and loaded it with 185gr bonded defense hollow points. This round carries 616ft/lbs of of energy and being a hollow point will not exit under most normal circumstances guaranteeing maximum transfer of energy to the assailant. A person should carry the gun that delivers the most energy to the target that they can handle efficiently and hit their shots with. Even the most inexperienced/small frame shooters should be able to handle a larger caliber than a 22 efficiently. Even the most gun shy should be able to handle a 380 pistol with some practice. Do you want "good enough" or the best chance when it comes down to your life?

painlessguy True, the fight/flight thing is there but lets be honest. How many times have you heard of someone committing a felony who shoots back instead of running away? Its within possibility but you probably have a better chance of winning the lottery. When we are talking about "good enough" vs "best choice" we can always spend more to get more. In the end I think most people get guns for self-defense rather than out of hobby and due to this im sure most people would rather spend less per round getting more practice and being comfortable. This leads to more of a sense of security in my opinion than carrying a bigger gun/round especially when coupled with the fact that anyone who hears a gunshot will logically immediately flee. Now that I think about it, maybe it would be better to choose that whole .45acp thing instead of 22lr because one situation that can come up is someone being on drugs - a 45acp will infinitely be more useful than 22lr The points you make are valid on paper but in real life that doesn't translate very well...Unless youre in the military and are constantly put into situations where you are forced to fight. Then we can talk about lethality and such.

I don't think anyone questions the potential of a "psychological stop". The fact is, they happen all the time. Many would-be robbers flee/surrender at the sight & sound of someone with a gun, much less the sensation of being shot. Likewise, I would never want to be shot by a .22LR. They certainly *can* be lethal with good shot placement. All that being said, you don't carry and prepare for self-defense with the 99% of would-be thugs or home invaders in mind. You prepare for that rare 1% who, whether due to mentality, drug intoxication, or dumb luck *is* able to fight through the pain and shock of being shot to continue to threaten your life. For these types of threats, a psychological stop is insufficient. What happens when my bluff is called and my .22 doesn't particularly faze the angry man with a baseball bat intent on playing tee-ball with my head? Since I had neither the time, money, or inclination to train myself to the level of a CAG Operator, I can't exactly make a perfect CNS shot on a moving target under stress. Darn. Again, you're right. Most people who claim they'd shrug off a .22 if need be are indeed full of shit. In the majority of cases where you're confronted with a would-be criminal, it would be perfectly sufficient to convince them to take several rapid steps back and reconsider their life choices. However, I still wouldn't feel comfortable trusting it with other choices available. To say nothing of the inherent reliability advantage of centerfire cartridges. To each his own. .22LR can be perfectly viable for self-defense with the right loadings and plenty of practice. It has several merits in its favor. It's not *my* personal round of choice, but I respect those who feel otherwise. My argument is more aimed at the idea of relying on a psychological stop in a potentially life-or-death confrontation.

Amen dude!!!! 5 stingers straight through prob gonna stop about anyone being able to have a follow up shot and or hit your target in the first place is everything huge caliber without aim is gadbage.... not to mention the objective is to get to safety.. a reliable 22 and reliable ammo like sr 22 and velocitors..!

+John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt nah

But perhaps not as quickly as one would like.

@@evanvanleer227 are you saying you can take 10+1 to the chest or face?! Get out of here with that bull.

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Apatthetic Man What people also forget the 22 has very low recoil you can shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger or even full auto if your firearm has that capability and its common sense that you can fit more 22lr into a magazine than you can of 9mm or 38special not only you have more bullets to shoot you shoot faster and more accurately only differance is when people wear ballistic vests than a 22 lr might not be enough (I'm not a gun expert so i could make mistakes regarding calibers but you get the point)

+Apatthetic Man just asking. if that jell was equal to human flesh how deep would it penetrate the chest with the 22 lr 4 inch barrel

true, but also true that you should be able to trust your gun in every situation, if youre agressor has a vest, if hes covered by some dor, etc etc. And in a gunfire situation you should not been worried about youre stopping power, also, in certain levels the stopping power is irrelevant, wich makes me think that the 9mm is the best option, it has a great penetration capability, stopping power and has not a high recoil

+Joeseph Wysocki Most likely a pass through if it doesn't hit bone or cartilage

Apatthetic Man trooper coats was shot under the arm pit

The LCR in .38 and in .357 holds 5 rounds. The LCR in 22 LR holds 8, the LCR in 22 magnum holds 6. The LCR in .327 holds 6.

Thunderkat65 , with you on that. 😎

I typically tell people, “it’s not ideal, but i doubt it’s gonna tickle.”

I dont much like good paintball hits let alone Lead.

Same situation here. I carry XDm 3.8" .40 and she has the Purple SR22. Even I like that pistol. We're even MP15-22 Rifle people. Definitely, lethal in that.

***** Hell, even birdshot from a 20 ga will send them running, and I've been shot with that as well as .22 in hunting accidents and 9mm Luger when someone didn't realize that I was there when shooting in the desert.

Why not go with 9mm or 380ACP for your wife? Yes a 22 will kill somebody but the smaller the caliber the more on point your shots have to be. People please do not use 22lr for self defense. And anyway why would you when there r bigger calibers available?

Thanks everyone for your replies, we love the SR22. It is a wonderful little pistol, and VERY reliable for a 22. I don't even mind carrying it as a back up gun, it being purple does not bother me. Kristyn, my wife just happens to be one of those people who is ridiculously recoil sensitive, it is what it is. She has a hard time with a 9mm, but can shoot our 22 pistol wonderfully. Ironically, our 10 year old son shoots my 40 really well, our 13 year old daughter even shoots it better than my wife. Despite the mentality that a 22 should not be used for self defense, it still kills more people each year than another round. Hinkley attempted to assassinate Reagon with a 22. He dropped a Secret Service agent with one shot to the belly, a police officer with one shot to the back of the neck and hit Brady in the head. Neither of those men got back up. One of the bullets bounced off of the car door, hit Reagon, went through his lung, and ended up only an inch or two from his heart. Brady was rendered mentally handicapped after the incident and is the reason for the "Brady Bill" that made background checks mandatory. There is case after case were a criminal killed someone easily with the "lowly" 22, or were someone killed an attacker with it in self defense. Real world facts do not support the idea that the 22 cannot be an effective self defense weapon. For people like my wife, it is a very viable option regardless of the stigma attached to it. ~Ken

Kristyn K At least she is carrying a gun, and there are those like my grandmother who can no longer handle the recoil of any pistol larger than a .22 WMR due to a hand injury. It is better to have a low caliber firearm than no firearm at all, and most attackers will cease the attack at the mere presence of a firearm because they do not want to be shot.

+Joe Schmoe honestly, what's nastier is the denim that was delivered with the round, from what I've read that can be just as life threatening as the bullet due to infection. hehe but yeah man, that really surprised me that one made it thru the entire block oO, and from the pistol, not even the rifle! I guess since the round retained it's smaller shape that friction didn't play as much of a role in stopping it short.

+jey lee With modern treatments infections are not a serious risk, one left lead bullet inside the body because it is in a risky place can poison your blood after many years.

+Joe Dijeaux lol get outta here. glad you know your stuff genius

TheRealestEver I do know what I'm talking about. Are you a doctor, genious?

TheRealestEver Shut up you, ignorant: "Lead poisoning is an unusual complication of retained bullet fragments. The bullets and shotgun pellets most frequently encountered are 50-100 percent lead with an outer material made of a metal or alloy harder than lead (copper, nickel, steel, or aluminum).[3,4] In gunshot wounds to a joint, contact of the bullet with the synovial fluid can be associated with an increased incidence of lead toxicity.[5] Bullet fragmentation and the surface area of lead exposed to synovial fluid correlate with the increased lead levels in the blood.[6] The onset of symptoms of lead poisoning can range from two days to 52 years after the gunshot wound.[1,2] The reason for this long interval is unclear." www.medscape.com/viewarticle/735071_3

And loud as hell! Really tee's off the neighbors.

Bryan Holland Sorry Bryan......but...nope! M1 Abrams. Depleted Uranium. One shot......GUARANTEED! But.......you still have to place the shot! Damn It.....!!!!!

Putting ten shots into a paper target is a lot different than hitting a moving target that may be shooting back. Yes a .22 is better than nothing. My wife like the .22 too but I wouldn't let her carry one. The smallest I would let her carry was a .380. And soon she is moving to a 9mm. I have shot at a moving target while hunting and I can tell you it ain't easy to hit it. And that is with a rifle. And I wasn't shooting from very far.

Believe me she shoots with both eyes open and even a cop said to me " who taught her how to shoot"? Sorry but I must say she is just good. Have a nice day and keep the paper target off your chest.

+Lou Benvignati I'd opt for a wheel gun with an 8 or 9 rnd cylinder for reliability reasons.

I totally agree with you but her other gun is a Smith and Wesson 3913 Lady Smith . She very much liked the Ruger so at this point its her choice. Thank you

Lou Benvignati hey as long as she's really considered all the possibilities of misfires under pressure. I like the glock 26 myself but to each their own.

No problem. I don't pretend to be an authority on the subject, it's just something I've noticed in my own experience and have seen others agree with elsewhere. Best of luck in your decision. I don't think you can go wrong either way.

I've shot thousands and thousands of .22LR rounds and I honestly can't think of a single time I had a dud round. I'm sure there were a few, but that's saying something. I do, however, distinctly remember the .45 ACP dud on my very first outing with a new pistol a year ago. I trust CCI Stingers just as much as any other ammo.

The SR22 is reliable. Never had a ftf.

If you want to carry a .22LR for self defense you should carry a .22LR revolver such as the Ruger LCR. Carrying a revolver will eliminate any potential misfire problems that may arise from using rimfire ammunition.

*It's for this reason that I've heard of many people using .25 ACP -- which is actually even slightly less powerful than .22LR* The power differences are so small as to not even be measurable. CF the expert ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nnnJ0vjXQmo.html

BerryM6162 no your wrong

ohh long johnson+ Why is he wrong? Can you do better than just dismiss a claim instead of explaining why? My .22 pistol has 140 ft/lbs per bullet. I have 10+1. I expect to put half of those rounds in an intruder in an emergency situation. That's 700 ft/lbs in total. A moose would die from that let alone a mere 200# man.

silvereagle90000 very true my gsg 1911 22 is 10+1 and i can empty 11 rounds in less than 2 secs

That's my next go-to. 30 lethal, accurate shots in a pistol is about as good as one can want.

You dump 30 rounds a someone and you just went from self defense to straight up murder.

wrong it 10000 times better then nothing ! what do you think tyrone is going to do ? laugh at you after being shot with a .22lr ! 2 shots from a .22lr = 11mm total holes to bleed out which is not far away from one shot from a 9mm hollow point

+geezerp1982 you sound very butthurt sir

you bell end ! understand ?

I have great respect for your knowledge and for the professionalism of your videos; THANK YOU. Every defensive firearm/ammunition SYSTEM has a single overriding objective: INSTANTANEOUSLY to TERMINATE the threat (and I do NOT necessarily mean to kill it, but rather to ensure it can no longer cause any immediate harm). Threat elimination one (or ten) minute after the round(s) impacts simply is unacceptable, since it is obvious that a LOT of very bad things can occur in that seemingly brief interim period (the FBI's 1986 Miami shootout debacle illustrates this principle quite effectively). My concern with any "mouse gun" (with any round) is the probability of immediate and complete threat removal is GREATLY reduced (and, quite candidly, it is not especially high with any sidearm). Some will suggest that lots of individuals have been killed by .22, .25, and .32 handgun loads; while that is factual, it does not address two CRUCIAL questions: (1) how much time transpired until the threat ceased and (2) where was the threat hit? A central nervous system and/or heart penetration is almost certain to eliminate a threat quickly, however, how likely is that in "real world" defensive circumstances (at night, in an unfamiliar venue, when just awakened, when overloaded by a potentially lethal situation, with a weapon that has a very small sight radius, when possibly wounded or night-blind . . . and the foregoing list is only the "tip of the iceberg")? The ballistic test -- per se -- is just fine, but I'm not too sure the implied recommendation is wise.

geezerp1982, I hope mean Tyrone O' Reilly.

stewie6096 I agree.

stewie6096 you do know even though a revolver doesnt look like a normal pistol it is still considered a pistol

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beemerphill amen!

How many self defense scenarios require shooting through car doors?

Archangel Michael very true. i'm a stay at home mom of 4 with a new baby, my husband works midnights and I just started thinking about how vulnerable I am home alone overnight with these babies. I played out scenarios in my head about a home invasion. it scared the crap outta me. What would i do? I realized I wasn't prepared. my children and I could be easy victims. I decided to get a pistol, I started with a ruger sr22 because I felt like I could handle it, it wasn't overpowering. Once I got past the intimidation phase and I realized that I was in control of this handgun I quickly moved to a 9mm.

A Crosman 38T CO2 Pistol is not bullshit. It is a fast action revolver for a pellet gun based on a S&W- K .38 special. Now you can go back to being the smartest guy in the world because you learned something new.

Mine was a .22 cal pellet look it up.

Johnny Wishbone some people think they know and some people know yes they make 22 pellets

I am okay with guns, but knives are where it's at. I have a 4-inch 36-year old stiletto in good condition passed down from my father. You don't have to reload knives, but the bad part is that stilettos are illegal and guns do help bluff

Or a small lady.

***** My wife is more accurate with a .22 than a .380, she isn't afraid of the recoil on the .22 so she can mag dump 9/10 rnds into a torso in about 2.5 seconds. With the .380 she manages 2 or 3 out of 6 in 10 seconds. Which seems deadlier?

My aunt carried several .22's as did my great grand mothers . For a long time small .22 to 32 cal pocket pistols were what a majority of concealed carry people brought to the table .

Redshift313 my idea of self defense is, as soon as you exposed your gun to a possible mugger, it deters them even without firing a shot or pulling gun from holster. I’m definitely okay with .22 especially a magnum.

I’m 200+, I can shoot a 9mm very well, why do I carry a SR22...I can dump 11 rds into a fist sized target at 10+ even without a perfect grip, stance etc. single handed doesn’t matter. It’s easy to shoot and it works. The statistical likelihood that you will ever even draw and point at a person is stupidly low, of those the likelihood of this gun not being sufficient is even lower

tb marq , yup. Exactly 😆