22 TCM/9x19mm Combo 1911 Semi-Automatic Pistol from Rock Island Armory - Gunblast.com 

THAT is one great value. I've never even heard of 22 TCM, I want to thank you for introducing me to that caliber and this weapon. Keep up the good work sir!

I just saw your response to this comment so my reply to your previous comment is redundant. No need to apologize for asking a question, that's how we all learned something new. You're exactly the kind of people the firearms community needs (also for all I know, you know twice as much about firearms as me), someone who doesn't jump to conclusions and can think for themselves.

Man, by the time I'm an old man we won't have any more people like this. Enjoy the moment while you can people, we won't know what we had till it's gone.

Thanks for the vid! Saw it posted on the NC shooters facebook group from the forum. I've been interested in this gun for a while but there's so little out there on it, especially as well done as your vids. Top shelf as always sir.

Mec-Gar manufactures the magazines for ARMSCOR/Rock Island. Good quality magazines.

Yes they do. jeff

they do now..look at shot show 2013 vids...I bought this pistol back in june at a gun show, my favorite pistol absolutely love it, carry it with me every day.

I'm impressed by all the positive comments on this caliber/gun combo, which is diametrically opposed to the comments usually found on Fiveseven 5.7x28 videos! I'm intrigued by the .22 TCM and will probably end up getting one to play with. I already own two Fivensevens and have amassed an extensive database of hand load data for that cartridge, and I really like it, and respect what it's capable of. The TCM and 5.7 are very similar in terms of ballistic performance with the TCM having the edge in power, but unable to utilize longer, spitzer bullets. The 5.7 is a much lighter, more compact cartridge, and chambers into a "ultralight," yet full-size dedicated platform. In making the TCM to fit within the 1911, Armscor scored some big points, but along with that comes a platform much heaver than it needs to be. I'm thinking the right answer would be an alloy or polymer frame, but when the .22 TCM is shoehorned into a small-frame Glock as the .22R TCM, it really shows the lack of refinement available in a cartridge designed to fit within a tiny grip rather than design the round first, then the pistol. But....with all that said, the TCM brings plenty to the table worth "liking" and is undoubtedly as good a manstopper as the 5.7x28 has been shown to be.

Its made in the philippines, hope thet will make riles too. UDM has started it already, and thier rifles are as good as the IMI made, but much much less the price.

Yes I have, and absolutely recommend it. Excellent weapon. jeff

I like the fact it comes with a 9mm barrel. Thanks Jeff! Now I got the 'bug' for this one... LOL

I've run across a couple of people shooting this gun. Very interesting caliber. It offers some real advantages.

Yes.

Very cool little round thank you for showing that to us Jeff. I hope you and your family have a merry Christmas.

Any Rock Island dealer can get the ammo, or you can order it directly from Armscor. Jeff

Another excellent review Jeff. I was considering acquiring one of these but after your very informative run down, I'm absolutely sold! Would be great to see Armscorp come out with a carbine model that also uses this caliber and maybe even share the magazines.

Thank you. Most exciting new handgun for a few months. Enjoy 'em for those of us who can't buy 'em!

I watched because I just thought it was another peashooter. After seeing that steel penetration I think I really want this pistol now! It holds a bunch too. With the swap out barrel I think it makes it a real alternative to say a polymer five seven.

As an amateur competitor, I own 1 high-capacity pistol which was made as a competition gun. Even most assault rifles are sold as "sporting rifles" which qualifies the magazine size more than anything. Many hunters use semi-automatic sport rifles for hunting. Many hunters use semi-automatic hunting style rifles. The funny thing is that many sport rifles have smaller bullets and are less deadly than hunting rifles while the ability to put out rounds accurately is up to the shooter.

That makes sense and I agree with you. Especially about the 2nd admendment.

If I keep it, I will add a Trijicon or XS front sight. Jeff

I love the concept of the 22 TCM, but it does not yet have a track record on terminal performance on the street. Jeff

Yes, a Whyte Laydie is a particular type of banjo that dates back to the 1800s. They are an open-back (non-resonator) design, and have a different internal configuration and construction than other banjos of the time. Many players, myself included, love the sound of the Whyte Laydie design. The name "Whyte Laydie" derived from the fact that the originals were made from White Holly wood. Bart Reiter in Michigan makes wonderful modern versions of these, and other, Old-Time banjos. Boge

Jeff God Bless...

I know of no rifle that fires the 22 TCM, and the pistol is a very good defensive weapon. jeff

Thanks for posting! I was looking at these in Guns & Ammo just last week and wondering about them. Glad you posted this video! I always enjoy your videos!

Point taken. I only mention that GD JSP because it doesn't have precuts either, and it expands with petals quite nicely. I would have figured at 2000 fps we would have seen more fragmentation from the bullet then a mild expansion. The 40gr JSP is a fairly short bullet OAL, and no one has found out if that's needed to keep it's case capacity up for max vel. I definately do like the gun's price point :)

The 22tcm parent case was a 223 Remington cut down. I believe the 40 gr bullet looks exactly like a Winchester 22 magnum 40gr bullet. In my misspent youth, I put a lot of wild game on the table with my 94,22m Winchester 22magnum.

Thanks for the compliment, mate. I do agree, to ask questions so you can understand the correct knowledge.

Thanks Gunblast. I'd have never known about this without your video. I like the concept, even if the ammo is a bit pricey. But they do throw in a 9mm barrel! The 22 TCM reminds me of the Tokarev cartridge: another speed demon. Good post & review.

With this setup, you have both.

I stopped shaving in 1978, haven't trimmed since 1990.

Feels great in my hand, better than a large-frame Glock. Jeff

Love my rock island. Built like a tank like a 1911 should be. That .22tcm is a nice little round on par with the price of .45acp and reloading for it is getting cheaper. Their new bolt action gun for the round looks fantastic as well.

I was told you can save the brass, send it back to amscor and they reload it for just over 12.00. How accurate that is I don't know. I would try finding dies and projectiles to load my own.

I bought one in Baguio. I admit it was a bit expensive. I was originally looking for a .22 LR, but I am glad that the owner of the shop talk me into it. Thinking of sending it to a customization shop to convert it to left hand shooter. Maybe gold plating it. This is my first gun.

Man, this is what I've been hoping for. Excellent piece. Super vid, thanks

Merry Christmas Jeff and may God Bless you all!

I am very interested in this round. It is very different. I am looking forward to when these pistols are easier to get. Also, Armscor is supporting this round well. The price is about average for most self defense rounds on the market. Also, they have a program where they will reload your brass for you at a much lower cost. Conversion to 9mm is a nice touch too making this pistol more versatile.

Armscor has a factory in Stevensville Montana. The Armscor USA ammo is made here and isn't imported from The Philippines.

Nice, looks like a nice gun. They sell them at my Local hardware store the 22TCM is approximately 20.00 there for a box of 50!!! Not a bad price for a round with this performance!! It’s like having a 223 short in a pistol!!!!😍

More power than the 5.7. Jeff

Hi Jeff, just wanted to wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas!

...I was thinking about buying a RAI 22TCM, but after watching your vid I called my guy at the gun store and told him I'm coming to pick it up... What an awesome pistol, shooting it is a requirement if your a gun person. I went shooting with my friends who thought I was shooting a .45 acp, but had no idea what round I was using when the melon exploded. Thanks for your vid and info on this amazing weapon.

interesting handgun. I like the 22tcm cartridge and I've fired thousands of 9mm rounds. I'm leaning towards getting the commander version with the shorter barrels, and more concealable. And I like the bearded guy in these videos, seems honest and down to earth.

i got one and it is cool. told from a dealer that they will be selling the 9mm barrel separate in the future.

I appreciate you doing this video. That .22 TCM really has some punch to it! Gonna be on the lookout for one of these babies!

Great video Jeff!! Keep up the good work standing tall for the gun community. "Come take it!!"

Hi Jeff, Thanks for the great video on this pistol. Also please thank Boge for the great music. Unfortunately I live in California and since it has a decent capacity I can't legally own it here. Calguns and the NRA have been fighting an uphill battle out here to preserve our gun rights but as these disasters happen it gives the enemies of freedom more ammunition to use against us. It isnt looking good right now but in 1776 it looked a lot worse. Anyway, thanks again and keep up the good work.

I own one and its amazing. But 9mm and .357 sig are my favorites

1) I do not know. 2) No. They have a similar weapon, but it is not a copy. jeff

Merry Christmas, Jeff, and all those involved with Gunblast! Molan Labe!

Yes, it is a 22 caliber. jeff

im from the philippines and im half your age sir, and like you i too have never fired a gun in my life. save for airguns coz we used to hunt birds long time ago. not for fun coz we have high regard for the value of life. so we cook and eat the birds we shoot. its very hard for people to have guns here. imagine a ruger sr22 that costs like $300+ in the US costs more than $1000 in our city. poor people cannot get cheap guns to defend themselves thats why crime rate is so high

I'm physically disabled, I was looking into a CZ-83 .32acp for high-pain days when I can't handle a 9mm, that completely changed today.

Yes I can. jeff

Excellent pistol. Jeff

Made out of steel what pistols supposed to be made out of I love watching his videos

Beautiful weapon! A friend has one--the local indoor shooting range won't allow him to shoot it there because of the speed.

Same magazine, and the mag holds 17 rounds of either cartridge. Jeff

Very good chance of passing, as this has now become an emotional issue. There is nothing like dead children to evoke emotion, and the politicians will use this evil to promote their own evil. Jeff

I liked your video but you didnt mention in it a very important point when changing from a 22tcm barrel and spring to a 9mm barrel and spring you must also change the extractor that comes with the 9 mm setup!!

Very interesting weapon with an even more interesting caliber. I'm still trying to get my brain around it's possible capabilities. Thanks for sharing

Ah... I've been waiting to see a review of this pistol by someone I have subscribed to. I always thought 22TCM was an interesting cartridge and the addition of the 9mm barrel and spring makes it a very interesting gun as well. Thank you for the review! Now if only we can get one and several magazines before they ban the thing I'll be happy.

The 9x19 mm case is not long enough to form into a 22 TCM case. Jeff

Thats the best one I heard in a long time :)

Purchased this last week still breaking it in. So far liking it quite a bit.

No, 2011 is a frame made by STI. It's a double stack polymer frame.

that steel penetration is rediculous for a hand gun. great video.

Iwish more guns chambered .22 TCM, make it more popular

I've been wanting one of these for awhile now. I'm wanting to experiment a bit with it though. I want to develop a load for the 55gr Lee mold for the .22 TCM barrel and rechamber the 9x19 barrel to 9x23.

Actually many fully automatic weapons you see on videos are rented from ranges and prop houses that have the class III paperwork. A fully automatic weapon would be prohibitively expensive for most people but some ranges have them and rent them out per hour. They are very rare and most "assault" weapons sold in America are semi-auto only. RU-vid is not reality.

Probably not, as having them all here at once is a problem. Jeff

Very nice firearm, but I always stay away from obscure caliber's for two reasons: availability and price... But since it comes with a 9mm conversion, it isn't a bad choice for a $650 1911.

Well... it's a 40grn softpoint not a hollowpoint so there is only so much there to expand. The jacket has no "precuts" or skives to allow for the star like look that most pistol hollowpoints show in media. Still... depending on how good you are at reloading, there are standard 22 rifle varmint bullets that might be useful, as it is a standard diameter. Don't know if you could seat a 55grn deep enough, but it's a possibility, though it would go slower of course.

That's pretty cool! It needs a different front sight though. A black front with a 2-dot rear is a terrible combination! Being dovetailed, it shouldn't be difficult to change though.

The 22tcm looks like a necked down 9x23 Winchester shell....would be sweet carbine!

Looking at your recovered results, that SP expanded, but did so horribly. Reminds me of the 110gr JSP Privi 30 carbine. Very minimal expansion. They should load a gold dot bullet in this round. Only issue is no one has made any comments on what bullet sizes and weights can be loaded in this caliber.

Awesome review , I like this one I will have to add to my collection, Thanks Jeff

As an aside, though from the looks of it it certainly is not a necked down 9mm, it might be a necked down 9X23 or even 38 SuperComp case (you know, 38 Super with no "semi-rim"). I would need to take some measurements, but the length looks about right.

Glock model 17 makes a conversion kit for the 22 TCM

im a filipino, proud to have one, for sure by next year

Nice review. You remind me of a brother I ride with. Thanks.

Interesting round. LOTS of muzzle blast, which you might like, or not. Muzzle energy is about like a .22 WMR - 40 gr @2000 fps. That's about 350 ft-lbs., or about what 9 mm target loads generate, but is less than hot 9 mm +P rounds. For defense, I'll take a 9mm for sure over this. They have better penetration and better expansion. Penetrating steel plate isn't important for that, but I wonder what something like Hornady's Critical Duty +P 135 gr. would do, or a hot Cor Bon load..

Got one but the range is bulking at firing it as to penetration issue. Great in the wide outdoors!!

thats literally the fastest anything coming out of a pistol..I know theres pistol ar/ak's but the Rock Island 1911 is a true looking pistol

Basically better than the 5.7 and affordable

A .22 8" machine pistol would be super cool

Awesome.....as usual thanks for posting

Thanks, I really appreciate that. I have many friends who are way better players than I am! Boge

merry Christmas

I have never heard of that caliber before Jeff. Is the ammunition hard to find or common? Great video and review. Thanks!

Sam, the weapons we can by are not millitary grade. We can buy "simi" auto (without a class 3 lic).......the AR and AK are not select fire. only as fast as you can pull the trigger. The hand guns we buy are not the same mill spec either. Just because is looks like a duck it might not quack like a duck. Then it is not a duck. Peace!

thank you

Don't know about that. My friend has ball ammo as did I. It only put a 2" dent in it. But my .357mag, .44mag and .22mag and .22 lr go through it. Try it yourself to see. I was shocked. Maybe it was a bit thicker than 1/8" but I don't know how thick they do make frying pans. Same with a sheet of 1/16" stainless steel. 9mm & .45 made dents. But the .44mag, .357, .22mag go through it at 25 meters.

Actually, I think they make the ammo over here. I would think that would be cheaper than shipping from the Phillipines anyway. I can't remember which State but Arizona comes to mind... I could be wrong. Regardless, I'm pretty sure you could form the cases from several other types of readily available cases, perhaps including cut down 223. Dies would not be cheap however.

I totally agree with you.

Another great video Jeff!! Question, have you fired a Rock Island Armory 1911 .45 before and would you recommend it for purchase? Thank's for all the informative vids!

I am concerned about over penetration with the tcm. It might be a bad choice where collateral damage is likely. For field use, I would love to see someone develop a carbine for the 22 tcm, or better yet, a pistol that could convert to a carbine in a quality fashion.

The creators of this cartridge say it is a sized down 223 casing because they had a bunch of faulty 223 casing and were debating on scraping for money or to create something out of it and thus the tcm was born