243 vs 270 - How Many Paper Plates??? 

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I bought my .270 in 1977, after reading every article that Jack O.Connor wrote. I have killed everything from Black bear to Groundhogs, in my home state of Pennsylvania. I reloaded... 130 boat-tail bullets loaded with 58.0 grains of 4831... shot from my Remington 700. Accuracy was .475 at 100 and 2.125 at 300 yards, (on a good day) but what I can swear to was completely deadly stopping power on everything I shot. All 40+ whitetails with 1 shot kills, Same on all Bear. Never lost an animal, proud to say. But then I was fortunate to be able to choose my shots carefully, most were 100 yards or less, standing or slow walking. Subscribed to this channel today, like the “style” of information and how it was given. Not the “mine is bigger, and always better” that is so abundantly shared. But, much more ... “I don’t know what’s going to happen, let’s find out!”

I've used both for deer hunting. I prefer the 243 any day for the distance I shoot. (None of my shots are over 100 yards) The 270 always seems to go through the deer before doing the damage the 243 does. I've had to trail deer more often than not with the 270, and the 243 usually drops them where they were standing. The results for farther shots I'm sure are different, but anything under 100 yards, 243 is the way to go!!

.243 for me! Softer on the shoulder, very flat trajectory and will still knock those big deer down!

I was 8 years old when the .243 was introduced in 1955. By the time I was a teenager, it was every kid's first deer rifle. It was so popular that my state set it as the minimum legal round for deer hunting, at a time when sportsmen ran Fish and Wildlife. Thanks for this video.

The 150 grain .270 is the heaviest bullet commercially loaded. It is designed for penetration on big game up to elk size. The 80 grain .243 is designed for varmints. Ballistically, it would be a more fair comparison to use a 100 or 105 grain .243. Those are at least structurally designed for the smaller species of big game, deer, pronghorn etc.

I love the 270 round, I’ve hunted Deer and wild hogs with it for years and it’s never failed me.My brother likes the 243 round for deer, but he tells me 243 is the best round for Coyotes.

I love both. I’ve always been able to shoot a 243 way more accurately though

I've been using .270 for whitetail deer for at least 10 years. It always drops them in their tracks. I use 150 grain Remington core-lokt ammo. Good video for comparison it was as close and fair as you could make it with the same gun and ammo for both calibers👍👍

I've been waiting for this one! Grab that 243 and go play tag with the coyotes. I bet you win!

Not as much difference as I thought. I’d like to see the 130g 270 compared to a 100g 243; They have about the same sectional density.

Why would you not use 100 grain???

I've used the 243 for many years . It has taken a couple hundred wood chuck and a hand full of large deer. It drops deer just fine . Your test would have been better if you used the 100 grain bullet in the 243 . The 80 grain is more for varmint .

I have a .243 and taken Alaskan moose for the past 2 seasons. 1 shot one kill. The bullets I use do a pass thru and if they hit something hard do not disintegrate. My kills are 200 yards or less. I changed from 30-06 because I don’t like damaging the meat. Awesome cartridge and this video does neither round justice.

Nice... The .270 shoots super flat and a great at longer ranges. Many a 400yd elk and mule deer has ended up on a dinner table because of it. The .243 is the little engine than CAN. So many whitetail, coyotes, hogs, and even black bear had to bad luck to meet it. My wife loves both her .243 and .270 Howa 1500 Gamemasters rifles. They seem to love the Fusion and Nosler ammo My oldest son is butter inside of 800yds with his Remington 700 ADL in .243.We generally use Federal Fusion 95 gr and Winchester SuperX 100 gr Power-Point. My sons 700 ADL seems to really love the 100 gr pill. I'm getting sub-MOA at 300yds with it shooting that round.

Another good vid mate 👍🏼 Let's see .243 vs 6.5c next 🙏🏼

As some one on here said the 270 is closer to 30-06 . the 243 is a great gun, i have one , an my daughter s have one . try the 30-06 vs 270 that would be a great video to do . Thank for all your video s .

I was doing some searching for a rifle that has the power that I'm looking for and just as much fun the shoot. My search brought me to a place where I am drawn to Thompson Center's 243 or 270. Being a novice all I had to do was holler WHOOTEE WHOO and I have my answer. Thank you brother. Semper Fi

.270 Winchester can’t be beat for deer!

I love my little 243, fox, goat, pig, kangaroo, anything bigger gets the .338. Everyone gets bias to the caliber and firearm they own, Love your videos.

Awesome vid! Im a 243 fan

A varmint bullet is designed to expand much faster than a deer/boar bullet. You might have used the 100gr with the tougher jacket to be fair.

I'll take a 270 all day...

I bought a .243 H&R youth rifle for my oldest and it kicked too hard for her, so I sold it and now she is shooting a Savage 110 25-06, it's a little heavier, so recoil isn't bad. Plus the recoil pad is better. I recently bought a Ruger American .243 for the child younger then her and so far it has been perfect. Haven't used the .243 for deer yet.

So that's what they mean when they talk about "plate armour" :-)

They went through more than the 30-06 and 308!!!! Wow

I think you have inspired me to take the 270 to the range this week. I've not shot it in about 7 years lol.

Great video bro as usual. Thanks for keeping your channel family friendly brother GOD BLESS

The parent case for the 270 is 3006 and the parent case of the 243 is the 308 bouth are good deer rounds I can see the 270 going further than the 243

Most soft points or bonded jacket lead cores act as spall pistons when hitting a hard target. The soft lead shoots out like toothpaste out of the tube. This creates a very hard energy dump on the hard surface it splats on.

I think it would be good to throw the 7mm-08 in the mix!.

I have 2 Remington .270s a pump and a semi auto love them both and it’s my favorite caliber.

Your not even comparing oranges and apples .Your comparing oranges and bubble gum . The .243 is a dual action caliber meant to hunt deer with heavy for caliber bullets 95 to 105 grains .its also meant to hunt varmints with lighter bullets meant to fragment. 80 grain .243 is not constructed to hunt deer or other big game animals. Its made to grenade inside groundhogs and does this very well. Thats why it didn't hold together like the .270 . Try shooting a 110 .270 against a 100 grain .243 and results would be reversed.

I have an old Mauser 98k that was rechambered to a .270 Winchester by Savage. Has the scope mounts added by the factory and the modified bolt for scope clearance. Of all the hi-powered rifles I've shot, this one is my favorite!

A close comparison would be a 243 vs 6.5 creedmore

I was leaning more toward my 270 for this fall,but i guess this video made my decision for me,definately be my 270 Marlin VL 2

Those paper plate tests you do , nice, amazing how much damage to the bullet occurs, as the norm my guess was wrong again, lol. the only test you have done that I guessed right, the 300 Win Maaaaag, as shown in your test, that baby will pierce metal for sure, wicked penetration round, So hey one out of what 30? would tell you never go with what I guess ...lol

As an engineer let me offer one quick thing you could do to provide more data, and thereby more interest to the viewing hunter. One, weight whatever remains of the (solid piece of the) bullet, of particular interest with the disintegrated 243, in this example. 80gr - 25gr = 55gr of bullet lost or hiding in the paperplates, for example.

I have both. Was having a problem dropping big bucks at a longer range with the 243, so this year I am hunting with a 270.

so glad you did this test it was me who mentioned .243 is I never see Americans use it, .243 is the UKs minimum main deer cal

So what's the highest plate count to date? Whoteewho!!!

The 80 grain bullet in the 243 was designed for varmints. The 150 grain in the 270 was designed for deer. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison. I would have preferred seeing a bonded type of bullet in both.

Shot both guns 243 and 270 and 270 better flat shooting gun u should do a 17 hmr vs 17 win super magnum 17wsm shourt

Important note: this is not a test of calibers, it’s a test of bullet design vs caliber. Put a Barnes in either and it would out penetrate the other.

.243 Win. is plenty of gun for deer

Now this is a apples to apples comparison, great video! Also, I suggest a 44mag vs 454 casull.

You need to use a 100 grain lead on the 243 for a better comparison. Hornady 87 grain lead doesn't explode as much as the other brands. I use 100 grain for elk and deer and Haven't had any run on me but it depends on where you heat them too.

Awesome video, only difference I saw was not comparing deer ammo to deer ammo 95 or 100 gr. for .243. As for flatness they both shoot flat so that's basically a no issue, but .270 offers more bullet selections than .243

.223 vs .243 or .270 vs .45/70 in Future would be cool round comparisons for effectiveness or penetration

I wouldn't complain about using either cartridge/bullet combo for deer. Most of my buddies use 100 grain 243 and 130 grain 270. I would predict 243 would close the gap under those conditions.

Use mini post it notes at the bottom of the stack before you put the paper plates together, easier to count

Super pretty rifles , and two awesome cartridges! I love the paper plate vids , good times and thumbs up!

Both are great cartridges, and yes you should have used a 100 grain deer bullet in the 243

I’m not sure that comparison was fair a bullet market “Varmint” is typically designed to disintegrate impact. The 270 made for deer is going to be designed to hold together on impact.

Love these 2 Rounds and you've got em both!!!

That's about what I thought would happen. Lol I know someone who quit using the Winchester power points in their .270 because deer were running too far. Thanks again!

Both are very good rounds. I own a pre-64 Winchester Model 70 in .243 and it drops a deer like a rock. I imagine a .270 similar results with the possibility of a pass thru.

Shot deer and antellope with both calibers. They both performed well. However with the 243, I was using a 105 Hornady Amax bullet. Hit hard with a fast kill and no exit wound. The 270 tends to go through with a large exit wound. All shots under 400 yards.

I like be both these calipers. Here goes the ballistic nerd part. Most common bullet weights for deer are 130 for 270win and 100 in 243win. With that change brings the speed of 270 to around 3100 and the speed of the 243 down to around 3050 or so. I doubt there is much of a measurable difference in the plates then. Both are very capable hunting rds for deer and Varmints. The both shoot incredibly flat with good sectional density. The 150 gr 270 is a popular choice for elk hunting. Hard to beat either round. Those are some great looking rifles. Good video. My prediction on water jug is 270 wins 6-4

I use Remington Core-Lokt 130 gr in my 270 for whitetails. Muzzle velocity/energy is 3060/2702; at 400 yds, 2022/1285. The 243 100 gr bullet runs at 2960/1945 at muzzle; 1993/882 at 400 yds. Biggest difference is energy at muzzle and downrange, in favor of the 270.

The 150 grain bullet added mass won the day for the 270 Win. Both cartridges have their place. For varmints and predators I'd definitely take the 243.

Thanks for the paper plate challenges and all the counting that goes along with them

You called this one! 😁 Two beautiful rifles!! I think I would go with the 270. The paper plate test is one of my favorites. Fun and very interesting!! Thank You Sir!!

I love the 243 I have an uncle that goes hunting in Wisconsin and Montana for Elk and he uses 243 or 300 Mag and he says it will put them down the same

I got my wife a savage 243 in that muddy girl camo. Its a great deer gun and like you said not much recoil for her and its just fun. But it a nice side by side comp of them thanks. Who-tee-who

Nice one mate! Ordered my .270 Yesterday for Pigging here in Australia. Also For some long range target shooting. I find shooting long range gongs not only challenging but extremely therapeutic. Great Vid as Always... W00T - Skorp - Western Australia

.243 is great for coyote out to 500yds, and whitetail/mule deer out to 300yds. My .270 is bad for coyote at any distance if you're wanting to keep the pelt, and great for whitetail, mule deer, and elk out to 500yds.

I'd like to see you try a copper 110gr .243 I have a 24" barrel 30-06 and a 20" .243

Gotta love paper plate ballistics! Inexpensive way to catch that bullet and test penetration in more than water.

I feel bad for those paper plates. Man, what beautiful Weatherbys! Love the look of all that wood!

I've used both for shooting wild pigs since I was a kid and have killed over a thousand pigs with each (honestly no exaggeration), culling them here in oz. To start the 100gr 243 bullets are a lot more effective than the 80's and surprisingly with factory ammo the 130gr 270 are more effective than the 150. That being said there is a big difference in stopping power between the 243 and 270. Both will get the job done and are great rounds but pigs normally drop on the spot with the 270 and not the 243. If you want the most effective combo, handload the 270 with a 150 sst around the 3000ft/sec and you will have a combo rivaling any small magnum.

Great video! I hope Charlie enjoyed it!

Would like to see the 243 with a 90-100 grain white tail round

the .270 hit the .243 bullet since you shot it first therefore the lead dust was present after impact.The first went in different areas but the end holes are the same since the .270 found its way to the same hole

Best bang for the buck in 270 is 130gn. bullet. Use higher grn. bullet for Elk and Goat. 80 Grn. 243 is good for prairie dogs. Deer sized game you go to 120 to 125 grn. bullet. Both cases have parent case of 308/30/06. Main differences are bullet weights and powder charges. If you want a 0-250 yd. deer killer, go with the 243. If you need longer range, go with the 270. Main thing is how good of a marksman are you? 243 is a precision round. You must have a good rifle and a good hand to use it. 270 is a precision round, also. You can kill a Mule deer out to 475 yards if you are good. Good rifle, good rest, and good shooting habits. I hate to see these comparisons of the 243 vs 270 because the cartridges are so close in energy at range. Each has a specific job and best use at range with such and such game. On the flat prairies of the West, I would use a 243 out to 250 yards. In the same conditions but longer range, I would use the 270. And have used the 270. Dropped a buck at 240 yards at a waterhole with one round to the head. Scoped that buck out for 6 months before season and walked the distance to the water hole. Practiced for six months at shooting at 250 yards with the 270. Opening day was a joke. One shot , one buck. Went great upon the trunk of my 67 Mustang. You are playing apples to oranges with this test. Why not test 30-06 against 338? Or 30-06 against 300 Winchester Magnum? This is a farce. Click-bait for semi- knowledgeable shooters.

Of course I could be wrong, I usually am. WTW you just made me spit all my coffee out 😂😂

I run a private ballistics lab and was interested in trying paper plates to start deforming the bullets then letting them slow down in a cloth mess before they come to a stop in a kind of waxy sheets to stop the bullets. I want the bullets to mushroom well but not too much. Do you have any idea how many I might need. I looked at the videos but you kept looking from the back so I can't tell from them when the bullet holes started getting bigger. Second question. Do you think the cardboard style paper plate would be better for my use? I'd stack more of them than the type you use.

I was wondering when you were going to break out the 270 .How about a 270 vs 30.06 vs 308 paper plates challenge.

I like the extra stopping power of the 270. Penetration doesnt mean anything since both bullets are going all the way through the animal.

Eugene Stoner used the 243 when he invented the A.R. 15.

Jeepers that .243 crumbled like a dry biscuit. Never saw _that_ coming. Oh dear, I ran out of biscuits. At least the shop are open, and I still have a few bucks left of october's budget :)

Nice rifles and great video!!

So the only problem I see with this test...is u chose a heavy a cal bullet in the 150 grain bullet with a thick jacket and a alloy core made to penetrate...and in the 243 u chose an 80 grand varmint bullet with a thin jacket and a soft led core designed to fragment on coyotes and stuff

I use the 270 for deer hunting. It is a good all around caliber. I rarely shoot at anything over 100 yards and usually closer. It comes in several bullet weights. My scope is sighted for 150gr bullets. Back before I retired, my boss Jimmy Jamieson [like the Scotch - YUMM] and his son were a prairie dog slayers. They swore by the 243 and had a whistling fast load he called his red mist load. When a p'dog popped up and he touched off, all you would see down range was a red mist. He was doing it at ranges over 300 yards. Each to his own I say! I've got nothing against the little critters. Venison is a whole other game. :)

Get some 70 grain 243. Anything but winchester super . 70 grain moves so much faster for the slight change in weight

Both these rounds are very popular in Australia, 222 223 243 270 308 You need to do some stuff with 222

You compared a 243 Varmint load against a 270 moderately heavy mid to big game load.. you should do a test of a 95 gr 243 and a 130 gr 270 velocities between the two should be fairly similar, kinda even the playing field and test to see if you gain anything from the added weight, cost, and recoil of a 270 over the 243.

I'm hunting with a 130 grain 270 this year. I heard it's a fast to kill bullet. But honestly I've had really good luck with 160 grain leverevolution 30-30!. All my hunting is 70 yards and in

I have A .243 set up specifically for coyote up here, don't have a .270 yet but hoping it won't be too long and I'll have one of those in the safe too. Great video.

My first hunting rifle and only one is a 338 win mag given to me by my grandfather. However if I want to hunt smaller game this is over kill. Now that I have large game covered I want a more economic cartridge I can have fun at range as well as maybe hunt smaller game I’m leaning toward the .243

I have both. I’ll shoot anything with both if I’m hungry enough. Deer and bigger 270. Deer and smaller 243. But I have taken coyotes with my 270, there a big problem on the ranch and I live in Arizona and we have no minimum caliber requirements for coyotes so I’ll shoot them with what ever I have in the truck that day. We also have a lot of packrats and I love shooting those with the 270 it’s like shooting a can of red spray paint.

I really enjoy your videos brother. Alwaysgood, entertaining, and you seem to be for real! Not a know it all jackass. Thank for great knowledge passed down!

Thanks for sharing your video. The 150 grain bullet in the 270 caliber is considered heavy for caliber. To have a more equal heavy for caliber bullet in the 243 a 100 grain bullet ought to have been used. So the test is a heavy for caliber bullet against a medium weight bullet for caliber. If a heavier bullet in the 243 was used the velocity would have been more equal to each other. The test may have had a bit different result if both were heavy bullets for caliber or, medium grain bullet for caliber. Both calibers are suitable for most whitetail deer.

One common misconception is that the 270 is a necked down 30-06. In fact, when Winchester developed the round in the 1920's it necked down the '06's predecessor, the 30-03. The '03 had a slightly longer case than the '06, which carried over to the 270. This was a safety measure, as it made it impossible to chamber a 270 in a 30-06 rifle by mistake.

Interesting test media. After showing the velocity of the two,it would be very meaningful to show the energy as well. The .270 has a parent cartridge in the .30-06 and it's energy is almost twice that of the .243. The .243 has it's parent cartridge in the .308 / 7.62x51. The higher velocity round will shoot flatter because it takes less time to cover the assigned range, thus less time to drop on the way to the target. As far as accuracy, I have a .270 Winchester 70 that will cloverleaf at 100 yards and at 200 the group can be covered with a dime. That is if I do my part. Love the .270

I'll like to see .243 vs 223 & 243 vs 30-30

Beauty rifles ! I use to use both a .270 win in a Remington 700, .243 win in a Mossberg maverick... performance wise I really couldn't tell the difference. But the .243 was lighter n less recoil so I took more deer with it. But I transitioned to big bore and though heavier with much more recoil I dunno if I would go back to such small calibers. I'd say for me a tie between them.

I shoot a .270. Why? Because its what I have and it works exceptionally. When I was 9, my father gave my my first deer hunting rifle. A New England Firearms handy rifle chambered in .270. 26 years later. I still have it, and I still use it. Love it.

Well this is great info if I am going to hunt paper plates at point blank ranges lol. The more important part is how well do the bullets perform at a specific distance in game. The .270 is going to perform better at a longer range than the .243 because it retains more energy and the bullet will expand properly. I love the .243 it is my personal favorite, but I wouldn't want to shoot a prong horn or something at 600 yards with it out west. The appeal of the .243 is that it is fairly versatile and works great on woodchuck, coyote and deer at medium ranges without having to worry much about bullet drop. I don't buy into the accuracy hype. Any rifle these days be it a .223, .243, .270, 308, 30-06 ect can be extremely accurate with the right ammo.

I grew up using the .243 for feral sheep. It works great for that. I have a .270 now for deer and elk.