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2kW Grid Tie inverter connect to US 240V. Theoretical. Part 2 / 3. Sun-2000G2 grid tie with limiter. 

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Part 1: • 2kW Grid Tie inverter ...
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Connecting 2 inverters together: • Connecting 2 2kW grid ...
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@peterlindstrom8865
@peterlindstrom8865 2 года назад
Well explained from someone who is born in a 3 phase 240V country 😉
@motoprophet3981
@motoprophet3981 2 года назад
Great series on this limiter! I appreciate you taking time do do it. Thank you very much!
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 2 года назад
you are welcome my friend, I spent many nights till it started to work. Glad to share info.
@alexisguzman7238
@alexisguzman7238 5 месяцев назад
Kiero el video en español por fabor si le es posible
@alexisguzman7238
@alexisguzman7238 5 месяцев назад
Porke no entiendo bien el ingles
@keysimo3625
@keysimo3625 4 месяца назад
Is the brand a great quality
@benkanobe7500
@benkanobe7500 2 года назад
I have watched all your RU-vid regarding this set up and your final set up before moving up to Solark. I completely understand your excellent demonstrations. It is the next one where I get confused. Here is why: Inverter has three modes most commonly used: "Internal Limiter" (we check this in menu), Then two selectable limits by watts or current if using battery. When not using battery for daytime use and internal limiter it is very simple and GRI with limiter works well with MPPT and solar panels. It is not clear which way you set up your system when you add the comlexity of batteries as you do not show (that I can find) which menu options you select when using batteries. MPPT is disabled when selecting the other menu items and it apperars there is then a need for an independent charge controller that just charges the batteries. What is not clear is what settings you have the GTI set to when operating in this mode. Your analog current meter RU-vid is outstanding showing how electricity works to go to load or battery (if battery is biggest load), but does not show settings of GTI. Could you please explain that? I know you have moved on and well past these little GTIs, but for some of us, this is as far as we will go and need to make it work. My system now has two 1K GTIL with one on each leg. From 9:00AM until 6:00PM my smart meter (California) says 00.0KW most of the time and sometimes as much as 65Watts (not KW). It works very good! But I want to add batteries like you did later and need help with how to set up GTI for batteries at night. Thank you!
@JesudomEnergyGroup
@JesudomEnergyGroup 11 месяцев назад
Thanks ,it’s very helpful for one of customers in USA.
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 11 месяцев назад
Happy to help
@jimthvac100
@jimthvac100 4 месяца назад
I also considered this same problem and came up with the solution of using two 100a/25ma CT's in series then would not need to worry about a resistor.
@beyondfossil
@beyondfossil 3 года назад
I was thinking that limiter/throttle feature could *replace* the "anti-islanding" requirements on "grid-tie" inverters! Because one bad quirk about anti-islanding requirement is when there is a grid outage (blackout) during the middle of the day. Suppose you're in southern California on a crystal clear bright sunny afternoon with your 5000W+ solar array busy pumping out the juice from that abundant California sun. PG&E decides your neighborhood is on rolling blackout due to high winds and dry grass so your grid goes out in the middle of that bright summer day. But these anti-island grid-tie inverters detect the lack of grid power and so completely turn off. Now that 5000W solar array in the bright sunshine becomes a useless expensive roof ornament. Your house is blacked out just like the other houses that didn't pay for any solar PV. However, suppose that "limiter" type inverters become more common. Would this ridiculous situation be a thing of the past? The limiter would keep your house powered up to the limit of its power while keeping 0 amps from flowing onto the grid. Unfortunately, even the GTIL2 with its limit/throttle feture will do the same thing because it too has the legally required anti-islanding feature built-in and cannot be disabled. So an interesting topic then is why is the solar industry so slow to act on new techniques and technologies like this amp limiting/throttling? Only the Chinese are pushing forward with throttling features. The only thing I can think of is the limit throttle is not precise enough and still allows some few watts to escape onto the grid. But that could be solved when more advanced USA or European solar inverter manufacturers get into it. Companies like SMA, Fronius, or SolarEdge. BTW, I prefer the term "throttling" because "limiter" is too ambiguous. :) Excellent series of videos. I'm very likely going with the same setup with 16s LiFePO4 battery storage and this inverter.
@earthenergyhex
@earthenergyhex Год назад
Thanks!
@thedavesofourlives1
@thedavesofourlives1 6 месяцев назад
With split phase and 1 CT sensor, put both through the 1 sensor, but one (red or black) longer and run through sensor in reverse direction.
@RJ-cc1fz
@RJ-cc1fz 4 года назад
Very good explanation. Correction though.. the resistor is only used to make the inverters supply slightly more of the power the loads use. It will work fine without the resistor but the grid will feed roughly 100w more than it would with a resistor used.. but when using multiple inverters (in my situation) the resistor needed to be removed from the wiring to prevent backfeeding.
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 4 года назад
thanks for letting me know! I'm still learning.
@RJ-cc1fz
@RJ-cc1fz 4 года назад
Me to, hope I never stop!
@NewsBroadcasting
@NewsBroadcasting 2 месяца назад
cool video, we have same unit it stopped working after 2 years , we check the DC fuses they are ok,. anyway to fix it? do we have to desolder all teh MOSFETs to check them ?
@jodymorgan9869
@jodymorgan9869 Год назад
I think the hall effect sensor only reads the voltage and axes and islanding device I don't believe it controls the wattage coming back into the system, I believe that is controlled by a internal pressure device compensating. I like your resistor idea, I would try a smoothing capacitor or it's called a surge capacitor with a diode to keep from back feeding
@popeyeswetcactus
@popeyeswetcactus 3 месяца назад
In the us, there is a ground wire. Where does this go. I dont see this on the 2000G2
@rockstomper8390
@rockstomper8390 3 года назад
Hello thank you for the videos. Good stuff! OK... So lets say you have the two CTs connected to the panel feeders and your pulling 5 amps (120vx600w) on L1 and zero amps on L2. I'm thinking you will still be backfeeding the grid with 300 watts on L2 cause your output will still be a balanced output of 2.5amps L1 and 2.5 amps on L2?? Again thanks for the awesome vids. I will hit the like button right now.
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 3 года назад
smart meter using only L1 and L2 to measure total amps going in/out. So when load pulling 10amp from 1 leg and 5 from other, inverter will supply 15 amps and meter will see consumption as 0 amps. May be some meters measuring each leg separately, but at least most US states using only L1&L2
@thedabbler2753
@thedabbler2753 3 года назад
I do not have a spare dryer plug. What are your thoughts on either running the AC cable directly into the breaker box, or splicing it in a junction box with some 10/2 Romex wire? When it gets to the breaker, should the ground wire from the AC cable go to the ground bar in the panel? I did not get the Marsrock branded one as you have, but the Eco-worthy and they said attach it to N. I am unsure if that is correct. Also, the AC cable they provided is only 18AWG and might get hot. Would replacing it with 16AWG be acceptable (10-13A) or did you use something else e.g. 12AWG AC cable? Thanks again for all your videos so far. They are excellent.
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 3 года назад
Romex wire to breaker box is ideal solution. You'll need to use double pole breaker. Hot wire and neutral from inverter will go to L1 and L2, ground from inverter to ground bar in panel. Inverter can push 2kW max, so 2000w/240V = 8.3A. 12 awg wire is more than enough. Let me know if you have any other questions. Good luck with installation.
@thedabbler2753
@thedabbler2753 3 года назад
@@SolarEngineering I have the inverter mounted on the wall so, some progress. The 10/2 Romex has black (L1), white (L2), and bare ground, so I guess that has to (as you stated) go to the ground bar. The AC disconnect box runs the ground wire through a block on the box (presumably to ground the box). This is safe, yes?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 3 года назад
@@thedabbler2753 without seeing it's hard to say. If you are feel uncomfortable maybe worth to check with professional electrician.
@dwey2557
@dwey2557 3 года назад
Okay because I plan to get one of the same 2KW you have but I'm going to have to connect to sensor in series like you
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 3 года назад
will do full setup video
@redstorm6767
@redstorm6767 3 года назад
Let's say I already have a grid tie solar system and the electric company has decided to shift time of use rates so that they charge more for electricity in the late afternoon. I want to use this type of setup to offset my consumption from the grid during that time, and then charge my battery bank back up during the night when rates are cheaper. My current solaredge system completely shuts down when the grid goes down. Do you know if this inverter will trick the solar inverter to stay up during an outage? My concern has more to do with safety for line workers working on the grid if my solaredge is still running because this inverter tricked it by outputting 60hz.
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 3 года назад
I see 2 questions: 1. Is it possible to setup Time Of Use feature using this inverter? 2. Could this inverter trick gridtie system and make it work during a power outage. Answers: 1. Yes, you could setup Time of Use using this inverter, you'll need to send power from batteries to the inverter by a timer (relay-timer). Just program your timer for peak hours. 2. No, this inverter is a gridtie, and will shutdown when grid is down.
@redstorm6767
@redstorm6767 3 года назад
@@SolarEngineering Thanks for replying! My biggest concern with question "2", was if they are both (solaredge and this inverter) outputting 60hz, and the power goes out; will they be tricking each other to remain running if the grid goes out.
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 3 года назад
@@redstorm6767 nope, this shouldn't happen, check the latest video on my channel, I have 2 inverters running and it will shut down in case of grid failure. For a standard gridtie system with microinverters, there could be 10 microinverters working together, but all of them will shutdown if grid goes down.
@redstorm6767
@redstorm6767 3 года назад
@@SolarEngineering Thanks for the info, good to know they shut down. BTW, I was reading on another site that this inverter doesn't do well at the lower voltage spectrum it is rated for. I was thinking about making a 48v LFP battery setup for this, but I wonder if that is to low to get the full 2000w it is rated for. Can you tell me what your experience is concerning that? Thanks!
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 3 года назад
@@redstorm6767 I'm running it with 16S LiFePo4 bank, it works well with 49 volts, however you could build 17S or even 18S battery, so it's going to be easier for the inverter to convert DC to AC. At 49V inverter producing about 1750W.
@infernoal2994
@infernoal2994 4 года назад
So I have a question, with 2 ct clamps in series how does the inverter know to send for example 3 amps to L1 and 5 amps to L2?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 4 года назад
Inverter will send equal amount of amps to each leg. Smart meters from electric companies will measure total consumption from L1 and L2, so it will read 0W it inverter supply full house needs.
@ssoffshore5111
@ssoffshore5111 2 года назад
@@SolarEngineering If it's an older analog meter (with spinning dial), I'm assuming it works the same way? I have analog meter with transmitter to power company. I suspect the transmitter likely reads the dial spinning and doesn't know difference in direction... so I'm guessing I would get charged for making power if so.
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 2 года назад
@@ssoffshore5111 yeah for analog will be the same.
@ischramm
@ischramm 8 месяцев назад
hello everything is fine? What happens if one of the phases goes off (L2 for example)? L1 continues to produce energy and feed the system, or does this inverter only work with both? If one of the phases goes down, does the system stay online for one of the phases? Thanks (I used the translator)
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 8 месяцев назад
it is split-phase single phase. So L1 and L2 dependent of each other.
@peterk.4266
@peterk.4266 11 месяцев назад
Hello there, how are your inverters holding up? I just bought a 2000k version, do they last?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 11 месяцев назад
Hi, I sold them long time back. Used for about 1 year, a fan died in one of them. Otherwise worked well.
@dwey2557
@dwey2557 3 года назад
Hello is the 2KW grid tie inverter still working for you?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 3 года назад
yeah it works, only fans stopped working after one week, so installed external fan. New video will be released soon with update.
@W122ard1
@W122ard1 Год назад
Em you have common neutral, so you could place meter on it and then add resister in parallel to divide measure / 2
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering Год назад
240V loads don't use neutral, I don't think that installing CT on neutral going to work.
@W122ard1
@W122ard1 Год назад
@@SolarEngineering 240 no, but you need to get sum of load of 2 l1 + l2 of 120v loads, and all usual home load use common neutral
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering Год назад
@@W122ard1 mostly all 240V equipment don't use neutral. AC, oven, electric water heater, car charger, cooktop.
@W122ard1
@W122ard1 Год назад
@@SolarEngineering Oh thats interesting didnt know that there are different loads, in 230v countries houshold loads are one live wire loads in 99%
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering Год назад
@@W122ard1 yeah, US is a split phase electrical system, so we need to monitor each 120V line separately.
@kellyvb9881
@kellyvb9881 3 года назад
So, If its 230 volt why does the company only give you 1 sensor?. Also, where can I find part 3 of this discussion?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 3 года назад
I guess it's made for Asian and European countries, where only 1 sensor needed (they have 1 hot leg and neutral). In US and some other American's countries where split phase system - 2 sensors needs to be installed. Part3: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gek4x4sh9MA.html
@kellyvb9881
@kellyvb9881 3 года назад
@@SolarEngineering thanks, makes sense now.
@user-rv3ue5kb8q
@user-rv3ue5kb8q 5 месяцев назад
Como yo concigo el vodeo en español
@user-rv3ue5kb8q
@user-rv3ue5kb8q 5 месяцев назад
Kiero conseguir leer los videos en español
@randensyjut4565
@randensyjut4565 4 года назад
so are these inverters actually pushing 4000w? 2000 to each leg?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 4 года назад
2kW total, using 2 legs. 240V and about 8 amps
@randensyjut4565
@randensyjut4565 4 года назад
@@SolarEngineering so it can supply up to 2000w to each leg. So if i had balanced legs, it would supply 1000w to each?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 4 года назад
@@randensyjut4565 correct, if load is equal between 2 legs, then inverter will push 1kW to each.
@randensyjut4565
@randensyjut4565 4 года назад
@@SolarEngineering thanks for your input! can you string several of these together?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 4 года назад
@@randensyjut4565 yes, it could be connected in parallel.
@brucearkwrightjr.9246
@brucearkwrightjr.9246 4 года назад
Do you live in America??? Who else has a slit board system???
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 4 года назад
USA, Canada, Mexico and I guess more countries.
@darylw792
@darylw792 Год назад
Why not connect the two sensors in parallel?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering Год назад
details here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PcIfI7jypB4.html
@darylw792
@darylw792 Год назад
@@SolarEngineering Got it. Thank you. I see that you have two inverters. Why not connect one inverter and it's sensor to Line 1 and the other inverter with it's own sensor to Line 2. Than use half of your solar power bank for each of the inverters. Let each inverter monitor the Line it is connected to independent of the other. Than you would not have to mess around with the resistor and wire splicing. Would this not be a easier way of using your solar power system with a 240V split system we have in the US? This is what I am thinking of doing.
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering Год назад
@@darylw792 then you need 2 120V (which is only 1kw) inverters and if the electrical system is not balanced (for example when the load is 3kw on L1 and idle on L2), then 1 inverter will output all 1kw and 2nd inverter will just rest.
@darylw792
@darylw792 Год назад
@@SolarEngineering I see what you are talking about. Your inverter is the 2000W / 185V - 265V version and not the 1000W / 110V/240V version. I was thinking of two of the 1000W version for my set up. My mistake.
@darylw792
@darylw792 4 месяца назад
@@SolarEngineering I tried using the 2000W 240V version last Summer with two sensors. I still got a phone call from the electric company feeding back into the grid. I think the problem was that this inverter distributes the power evenly across both L1 and L2. I have meters monitoring both power lines. When i had a window air conditioner on pulling 800w from L1 the inverter produced 800W from the solar panels, but it put 400W on L1 and 400W on L2. Thus power got fed back into the grid and than back into my house for a double charge. The China company said there must be something wrong with the inverter so they sent me a new motherboard. I have yet to install it. I am going to try two 1000W 120V inverters with limiters. Each inverter will monitor each 120V power line. So if L1 needs 500W and L2 is 0W. One inverter will produce the 500W and the other will be idle. Do you think this will work as I stated?
@ryanignacio105
@ryanignacio105 3 года назад
Im living in asia and we are using 220v i think the inverter is design for asian countries.
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 3 года назад
Maybe originally it was designed just for single-phase systems. But here in the US/Canada/Mexico people made it to work with split-phase systems.
@earthenergyhex
@earthenergyhex 2 года назад
Mine says, L1, N, L2 and the other end is a plug to go in an outlet.
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 2 года назад
same as mine in the video, you could watch all 3 videos to see why it's not going to work out of the box (at least in US,Canada,Mexico) with split-phase electric power.
@earthenergyhex
@earthenergyhex Год назад
@@SolarEngineering so series connection for CT's not parallel?
@ischramm
@ischramm 7 месяцев назад
Hello, can I connect just one of the phases? for example L1 + N, or does it only necessarily work with L1 + L2 +N?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 7 месяцев назад
yes, there few models for US market (120V and 240V) and European model 220V (Phase + Neutral)
@ischramm
@ischramm 7 месяцев назад
@@SolarEngineering Thank you, my question is whether the US model could only work with L1 +N, and L2 off, using just one phase + neutral (120v) or whether both are required to be connected for it to work?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 7 месяцев назад
US has 2 versions: 120V - L1 or L2 + N 240V - L1 + L2 you can use one or two 120V inverters
@ischramm
@ischramm 7 месяцев назад
​@@SolarEngineeringI intend to eventually use only the L1 + N connection to the network, the L2 is disconnected at times, I'm afraid it won't turn on
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering 7 месяцев назад
@@ischrammbuy 120V version and it's going to work.
@ardehshir4590
@ardehshir4590 Год назад
Hello my friend,I bought one same inverter but for 2000w wind generator I connect everything as they said I believe but my LCD screen never be on at all also no electricity as well,just I can see from damp load some electricity DC will show,could you please help me and tell me what’s wrong and how to fix it please?
@SolarEngineering
@SolarEngineering Год назад
Hi, I haven't tried inverter with a wind turbine. sorry, cannot help
@ardehshir4590
@ardehshir4590 Год назад
@@SolarEngineering thanks , Mate
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