3 reasons why the Walksnail VRX and Caddx Avatar system haven't made me love them yet

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The Caddx Walksnail Avatar VRX is such a good idea, but I just can't make myself fall in love with it. These 3 things from my initial experience with this digital FPV system are holding me back from going all in and walking my snail every day.
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00:00 Intro
00:39 What is the Avatar VRX
03:46 DJI V2 is still better
07:13 The latency is for real
11:57 This cable sucks
14:31 How I really feel about it
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@MasqUp Год назад

Appreciate all the great information. Thank you for the time and efforts in putting together this video.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

You are very welcome, and thank you for checking it out!!

@MasqUp Год назад

@Bacon Ninja FPV absolutely my pleasure! I started 18ish months ago with a Tinyhawk II Freestyle and quickly got into the DJI V2 ecosystem. I'm now 12 quads deep flying 30 - 60 packs a week and with all the new HD systems I'm feeling like I made right decision going all in with the V2/Vista (except for 2 quads). After watching your video as well as JB's, Mad's Tech, Chris Rosser, etc., over the past year or so your video helped solidify my choice and not be stuck in MOFO mode; not sure what the difference was, maybe the calm after all the hype, nonetheless, much appreciated!

@h2o40fpv Год назад

U got me laughing so hard with the introduction , and and Im on the train going to work . Great stuff men thank u.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

lol, well my goal was to make people look at you funny on your way to work this morning :p

@solongbattlestar Год назад

Sorry Ninja, Nick Burns said DJI should make a vrx for the HDZero goggles first. Truth be told I'm a micro guy and fly indoors and in the back yard mostly. HDZero and analog serve me well for my needs. A dedicated system that isn't compatible with HDZero and analog seems like a waste of money. So I didn't care for the DJI goggles v1 when they first came out. CAvatar looks a lot like DJI goggles v1 in many ways. That said the DJI os3 system looks amazing and has onboard 4K recording. If DJI does a vrx, I might just dust off my 5in drone and head to a local spot. But for now CAvatar has my money for the vrx and the 1s vtx for my 75mm indoor whoop. Looks pretty good indoors for cruising around the house. For speed runs and freestyle I use HDzero and analog.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

dang it, I knew I should have said it sooner! lol. So far I am right there with you and still putting HDZero in my micro builds for the time being. I usually run quite a bit of up tilt and I think the smearing would cause quite a few wrecks in the way I usually fly them. What I will say though is that I welcome the competition Caddx is bringing into the previously DJI only space. Can't be anything but good for us pilots in the long run!

@andreastornesel8404 Год назад

@@BaconNinjaFPV well, HDzero is just as crappy as analogue, only heavyer and with worse range. Walksnail is only one gram heavyer than hdzero wtx for micros. With far far far better image quality than hdzero, and range, 340mW vs. 200mW. Agreed DJI O3 looks better, but the weight of DJIs unit is equal to a complete Walksnail whoop, and the fit for me is like strapping a toilet seat to your face. I don't own goggles 2. I own HDzero goggles, Fatshark dominator HD, Skyzone sky04x and DJI goggles v2. The fit + LCD screens made me choose analogue over DJI. Than I got the HDzero goggles and a moblite7, a small upgrade compaired to analoge, 29gram vs 20gram alalog, then I noticed that walksnail only cost 1gram. Well, if I were to own only one system it would be Walksnail, And I say, walksnail in a 34gram whoop looks better than my DJI FPV quad..?.800gram DJI 1400$ quad vs. 34gram 280$ whoop🤯

@BryonCLewis Год назад

I have walksnail, HZero, DJI and the HDZero goggles. I find walksnail to be vastly superior to HDZero image quality and on the level of DJI higher end cameras. I don't think it surpasses the OG or the nebula pros but it's pretty close for the mini and mini-lite cameras. I'm wondering if there was something off with your camera/system because walksnail is definitely better image quality than my regular nebula/nebula nano cameras or my caddx polar cmaeras. The cable requiring powering on the drone is quite annoying and shouldn't require a fully powered drone to download at usb 2.0 speeds. The really nice benefit is nearly DJI level image quality in a whoop for 89 bucks.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

I could see it being on par with the older DJI nano cams for sure! There may have been something wrong with mine, but I did try focusing it and running a couple of different firmware versions just to make sure it wasn't any of that. I really think the issue was the blurriness showing up as a resolution problem and the latency being more variable than I could easily adjust to. I will say, for whoops it is a real contender though! I just usually crank up the camera tilt on mine and fly too fast with them for what would be comfortable with the smearing, but if not for that it would be a great option.

@P.G._FPV 6 месяцев назад

How is it today? Any updates that have helped this VRX? I was considering getting it for my HDZ Goggles. Thanks

@gmivisualsjason3729 Год назад

I'm finding that our experience with these different digital systems is greatly influenced by our flying locations. Personally I own and fly all the systems as in some areas I fly Walksnail outperforms DJI and in other areas vica versa. So I pick the digital system which I know will work best in the location I fly. If I was to buy just one system I'd choose hdzero with the 90fps and 1w freestyle Vtx. Edit:. Your experience just isn't what I've experienced.. The cable ... No issue for me. Doesn't pop out.....stays in just fine. And at least it's actually longer than what Hdzero gave us. Transfer time is fine also and if necessary I just use a fan... As is often needed with electronics in this hobby Inc the vista. Latency when using cobra X is noticeable but I adapt. Much nicer on my hdzero goggles but I wouldn't call it unfliable on 60fps

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

Well I am glad your experience with it was better than mine. This system has a ton of potential, and I was pretty disappointed in how run of the mill everything felt about it for me. I talked to 20 or so other pilots and a good majority of them had issues with the cable as well, but you are absolutely right at least it is longer and better constructed than the HDZero flashing cable, lol. As for the latency and difficulty flying at 60fps, there were fewer of those in the group that had the same opinion, but I think that one is less common for sure. I really think it comes down to timing consistency and I would be willing to bet it swings much more wildly than the DJI systems do if I were able to measure it in real time with something other than the built in gauge. Now that matters much more for some people than others, and that is for sure the group I am in apparently :( I really do mean the end part though, this VRX is a great idea and has a ton of potential. If the devs keep driving at it as hard as they have been, this thing can be a very budget contender with a whole lot of bang for the buck. It is entirely up to software at this point.

@SuzukiQuadLife Год назад

What you think about runcam? Also I’m getting into fpv an I’m kinda stuck I wanna build a efficient 4s or 6s build. What’s getting my is motors I know 2306 an 2207 2400-2550kv are good 4s motors an 6s are 2207 an 2208 1800kv. What’s other motors will give me a solid efficient build either going with the quadmula tbs source one V5 or a xilo phreskstyle all 5in frames. Any an all help will be greatly appreciated

@Sonic_BoomFPV Год назад

Great breakdown vid! Finally looking to go digital but don't want to break the bank. Currently running Fatshark V6 with Rapidfire and LRZ mini array, and I'm happy with the setup but wouldn't hate to go entry level digital if it was worth it. What would you go with in my situation? Would you even bother buying in now or just save up and go all in later?

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

hmmmmmm, I don't think the attitude v6 have an HDMI in do they? That would mean you probably have to pick up some new goggles :( For that you could either go skyzone or wait out the HDZero goggle back order line....but those HDZ goggles are pretty expensive. I honestly think that by the time you do that, you will have spent more than the Dominator HD goggles cost (especially now that they are on sale) so it really may be an option to just step right into the full experience. You could still keep your v6 around for flying the analog quads, or you could just spend more and do the whole VRX plus new goggle thing, it is just going to be a few hundred bucks more expensive but then you could do both in one device.

@Sonic_BoomFPV Год назад

@@BaconNinjaFPV That's what I was thinkin. I'll just wait and pick up the Dominators when I decide to make the switch instead of taking a half step up. Thx, bro! 👊

@Isythos 9 месяцев назад

@@Sonic_BoomFPVI’d like to point out the fat shark attitude v6 have hdmi in.

@user-zf9fn4bd2w Год назад

Hello, in one of the replies to the comments, you wrote that you tested this vrx with sky04l and sky04x. Is there a difference in latency between these glasses?

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

I didn't do any latency measurements since the fastest camera I have is only 240fps and I would really need 1000fps to get down to the latency differences between two similar goggle models and this VRX. I can say though, I didn't notice anything different between the two latency wise so if there is it can't be too much. I think Joshua Bardwell did some bench testing on various models as well, but I dont remember if he covered the O4L. I know he did get the O4X in there though.

@joemck1235 Год назад

I really like the walksnail vrx I'm only using cobra x goggles I'm comming from hdzero and don't notice any latency at all On walksnail I've heard alot of people say that the latency is bad but I don't notice it at all I did get the quadmula f3 split I watched one of your videos about it love the frame plenty of room just wondering if my 1404 motors will be enough for it I havnt had a issue with the update cable

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

Well I am glad it is working for you, and the whole latency thing really varies from pilot to pilot. Some people have a really hard time with it, while others dont notice at all. I can usually adjust pretty quickly, especially given that I can go back to back with HDZero and DJI O3 without problems...but something about the latency variability in the 60fps mode just doesn't make my eye balls happy, lol. As for the F3, I think 1404 motors are a pretty standard option to run and you shouldn't have any issue as long as they are high enough KV and not over propped. I think the real issue is when you start to use props with lots more pitch and the torque requirement goes up. At the end of the day, run what you like and have as much fun as you can! :)

@joemck1235 Год назад

@@BaconNinjaFPV defiantly glad I saw your vid fpr these quadmula frames I really like them soon as I get a chance to fly it was so nice not having to try to cram everything in the center of a 3 inch frame this split is so freaking nice and the quality of the parts and carbon Fibre is really nice I can't wait to fly it

@imothy 8 месяцев назад

Firmware updates have really made a big difference in this system. Adding bugfixes, better looking image, and new features with every firmware update is what I like to see.

@GiantAntCowboy Год назад

Well, I’m glad to see I’m not the only one feeling this… not sure if you saw my recent review but I shared much of your same thoughts. Honestly the image quality when it’s just sitting there, with perfect signal, is amazing, much better than HDZero imo, but the moment you start moving things fall apart rather quickly, especially if your fly near a couple plants… then HDZero actually does look better. My main complaint about the USB cable is that it doesn’t power the DVR storage. I rarely use the onboard footage because powering up my quad and transmitter just to access and transfer a file is annoying. Anyway good video, cheers bud!

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

Thank you for validating that I am not totally crazy! lol. Lots of people seem to disagree with this opinion, and I did watch your video which I appreciated very much. It is the "melt zone" that really gets it in to meh range for me, and the variability of the latency being more of a wild swing than on other systems. Good news though is that is basically all software and maybe some day we will see it reach its full potential and get over those issues! Also, yeah if it would just power the storage so I didn't have to fiddle with a pack and the cable during a transfer it would probably bother me less.

@GiantAntCowboy Год назад

@@BaconNinjaFPV yea I hope they can finesse or improve the firmware. Specifically the image compression algorithm or whatever… I’ve been doing some antenna testing and even with improved signal I’m still getting blurry/smeary image. Like the system just can’t handle fast moving details. But I’ll keep playing and support the product as it evolves. I’ve been riding the HDZero evolution since the time of SharkByte, and look at it now! Cheers man, keep up the good work.

@jlarson42 Год назад

Lots of good information here. It'll be interesting to see what Skyzone will do to stay relevant. Can they up the performance of their goggles software wise to improve the image quality when using the Walksnail vrx. Or will they need to improve their hardware.? I currently fly analog and dji. Very happy with the Vista goggles 2 combo. Waiting on my HD Zero goggles. Awesome time be flying fpv. Stay greasy everyone. 😎

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

It would be great if skyzone could either enable a mode in software (assuming the panel drivers can actually do it) or at least make a v3 of the goggles that is capable of this. We shall see what they are able to do! I have DJI as well and find myself still running the v2 goggles rather than my goggles 2 so that I can keep using my glasses as I have some seriously oval shaped eyeballs, lol. Keep it greasy man!

@hobbyhowiefpv219 Год назад

New to this Walksnail VRX on my Skyzone 04X goggles 1280/720p view in a 16.9 aspect ratio. I think the view is better then DJI V2 goggles do to the oled screens of Skyzone til you get into the melt zone of the Walksnail 1s mini. Agree the cable is not that good an I usually fly 4.3 but I am getting use to the 16.9. At this time I love the VRX module.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

lolol, the melt zone! I am going to have to borrow that term for it :p

@apachesmokewoundedsniper Год назад

What’s up 🥓🥷 break ups are hard especially you paid for it 😂 great video bro I’m gone stick to analog and DJI V2 for now. Stay safe bro

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

makes me wonder....do break ups come with a mail in rebate?? :p

@bloatedgoatfpv Год назад

I use the VRX with the HDZERO goggles & low latency. I think the 720p video is very good when it's got a solid link. When I first started flying it I really noticed the latency but after flying for a while I have adjusted to it. Image quality is much better than HDZERO but that's comparing apples to oranges. I don't have DJI to compare to but I am pretty happy with the system right now. I don't use onboard DVR, just the goggle feed so I don't struggle with the cable. I haven't considered it really a problem though. Updating HDZERO firmware is much more of a pain due to the short cable length, even with the extended cable from the goggles.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

I really appreciate you sharing your experience with it!!! :) The video quality in 1080p is hands down better than what I am used to with HDZ, but I just felt like the 720p was either nearly the same or just a bit worse due to the smearing that I had going on. The weird part was the smearing happened even when I was super close to myself, so it had to be something compression and not just a low signal thing for me. I do think though that firmware changes have made that part better since I was on this version. I am still continuing to test the whole system, goggles and full size boards, before I really form an opinion on the system as a whole though. I think it has a ton of potential, and its great to see it bring competition to a once monopolized part of the market! That's no lie about HDZero flashing, lol.....the cable is never ever long enough.

@bloatedgoatfpv Год назад

@@BaconNinjaFPV what power setting? I fly @ 700mw, not higher. Bardwell said higher power lead to worse signal and break-up so I have just left mine @ 700.

@jakeh3144 Год назад

I preordered the VRX and I was really excited. Still haven't even gotten it in the air yet, and my excitement is basically gone. I have heard pretty meh things about it

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

Well I am hoping that your experience with it is better than mine, because it is entirely possible that it will be. If I hadn't been exposed to the other systems as much as I have been, then I may have been absolutely amazed at this one...but having been exposed to them this didn't really do much for me that hadn't already been done a bit better I guess.

@ricardoferreira2811 Год назад

I own Fatshark Attitude v5 (no hdmi in). What can I do to get into HD? Is there a mod I can do to my goggles? Thx

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

Unfortunately there isn't anything you can do to use goggles with no HD compliant video in that wouldn't just wind up making the HD feed looks like analog all over again :( There are some ways with HDMI to AV in adapters, but those just drop the quality right back down to worse than most analog cams do these days.

@sten6537 Год назад

Would you say that the VRX perform less then the walksnail avatar goggle?

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

I would say that the goggle experience is better for sure. Having said that though, it is all about what you want from the system at the end of the day. If you want to have one set of goggles and swap between different systems for different uses, then the VRX makes a whole lot of sense. If you already have analog goggles and want to get into WS for the lowest cost possible, the VRX makes sense as well. If you just want the best WS experience and plan on flying it almost exclusively, then the goggles start to make more sense.

@DanielSingerX Год назад

My experience is very different. I don’t know if you’re using the latest beta firmware from them but that made a big difference in image quality. If you say it’s similar to HDzero then something must be wrong lol. For me it’s definitely different and better in what you can see. Still love Hdzero tho. I’m annoyed by the vrx and cables tho lol. Are those goggles the skyzone O4X? That’s what I have also

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

I am not using the latest beta firmware since I was trying to stick to main line firmware that most people have their hands on, but I will pick it up and give it a shot for sure before I do a full review on the system. I want to say the resolution issue I have been seeing is probably more of a compression problem causing it to look like it is lower res than it actually is. I got some pretty darn good smeary chunks in most of my flights, lol. I ran it on a set of O4L, O4X, HDO2, and the HDZero goggles just to see what they all were like.

@DanielSingerX Год назад

@@BaconNinjaFPV I know that compression mess you speak of lol, I’ve certainly seen it! I remember my first tries with this system I was very disappointed because it was stuck in low power mode and for some reason some flights were magically good then bad on next battery. I’m not sure at what point and what I did to make it start all working but for sure the newer beta firmware changed a lot. I still hear people complaining about smearing sometimes. I only have the 1s kits tho and not a full unit so I don’t really have a full grasp of performance there. But I’d imagine the 1s kits to perform worse having 1 antenna and lower watts 😮. But I would definitely recommend trying that beta firmware! It’s been a while since a new firmware came out but I hear it’s because they are busy working on new hardware now. I’m excited to see what the future holds for this system when they get it all together properly

@v.m.9744 Год назад

@@BaconNinjaFPV Do you see diferent between 04l and 04x(in latency)?

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

@@v.m.9744 As I haven't tested it with a high frame rate cam to be absolutely certain, I can't say definitively that one has more latency than the other. I will say though, micro OLED displays tend to have a slower response time than LCOS so I would expect a slight difference. From the pilot perspective though, they both felt the same to me. Obviously the OLED's made for a more vivid picture and better experience, and even if they were slightly slower it would only be by around 1ms max since the hardware other than panels and drivers are identical between the two goggles.

@SteadfastRC Год назад

I'm running this vrx on my cobrax box goggles, I am satisfied with it, it doesn't blow me away but wayyy better than anlog.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

oh it is for sure better than analog. I think for pilots coming into digital from only ever haven flown analog and looking for a VRX option, it makes a lot of sense!

@joe60000 Год назад

Try the latest beta firmware it seems to improve the compression your dealing with. The plug is annoying and could be better implemented, I'd settle with just being able to power over usb rather than a full power up to access the storage.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

I am absolutely going to give the beta firmware a shot because that seems to be what people are saying about it. I also agree that if it would just power over USB then the plug would be much less annoying. If it could do that I would at least not have to fiddle with the quad as much while getting a transfer read, but eh...at least it has anything at all I suppose!

@TheMileHighRC Год назад

I forgot to add a sd card to my vrx on my last flights, little did i realize that stupid cable had my videos on it! definitely comes in handy for forgetfulness

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

that is probably one of the best bonuses I can see about the system vs v2 DJI at the moment. That on board recording is pretty awesome...even if the cable and I don't get along, lol.

@Snakkerz003 Год назад

WOW. I couldn't be more opposite reaction on the VRX with SkyZone goggles. Hopefully this season I'll start doing more racing and I guess that would really put the latency to the test. I guess different people are sensitive to different things as far as flying drones. But absolutely agree with those stupid little plugs that go into the side of the vtx to download the videos. Honestly, I don't ever even use those ones. It's easier just to format the VTX each time before you go flying. Use the video off the VRX or your GoPro

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

I do absolutely agree that different people are very different impacted by latency and jitter, and that could be a big part of why the VRX on the firmware version at the time just didn't feel right for me. I will say, after a few firmware updates it does feel better. I still get smearing in places though, but it is much less than it was during my initial testing with the v1 1S and full size VTX kits. The connector....oh boy...that thing, lol. At least it is a little better in the v2, but still holding out hope that we see a full USB-C on the board at some point down the road :)

@seanconnolly2179 Год назад

I have this vrx on the hdzero goggles, in 720p 60fps it’s stuttering pretty bad but is pretty smooth in 100fps. I have the moblite7 walksnail and The image quality looks very good but in certain lighting like my kitchen has a light that makes the image look orange yellowish ? But super clear

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

mine did the stuttering at 100fps so totally backwards of yours, but I still have no real idea why, lol. I never got an orangy look, but I am guessing that might be an auto white balance thing and the camera adjusting for your interior lighting in that area. Mine was pretty clear when flying slow, but as I sped up it kinda just fell apart :(

@JohnCuppi Год назад

The best I can do is fly either 720p 1080p @ 60fps on my walksnail with my sky04x and after flying 70+ packs now at this point through it, I've come to a similar conclusion, the compression settings on WS are just NOT as a good as DJI V2. That opinion is going to trigger a ton of people but it is what it is. The latency on the sky04x didn't bother me, which was probably the biggest surprise. Man, I haven't even bothered to try the cable to pull footage off my WS vtx, need to do that next. Good video. I'm not upset that I bought the WS system but it was underwhelming coming from DJI V2. Definitely not going to pour a ton of money into it further or switch all my craft over from DJI at this stage.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

yeah, I put around 50 in on it before I came to these...and I was a little disappointed for sure. I suppose if you came from a background of only having flown analog, it would probably be mind blowing, but having flown all of the other systems and their variants I just didn't get anything close to that feeling on this. You gotta try the cable and let me know what you think!! I am not upset about owning it either, there is a ton of potential here. Everything is just going to depend on how the devs are able to make the most of the hardware and how creative they are willing to get. If they could fix the compression smearing and add a fixed latency uncompressed mode, this thing would be a super solid winner for a whole lot of people!

@lemonsquareFPV Год назад

Reflash your firmware. Change the numbers of the firmware to a higher version. I had stuttering at one point and it was horrible, I can notice one skipped frame and it bothers me very, very much. Mine is working well now, but I did have to setup everything the way I need and reflash a few times, because of that malfunction. But yeah, HDZero is the only system I am excited to fly 80 packs a day, every day! 1S VTX is crazy good, I can fly my whole neighbourhood, definitely great for exploring. That’s what this system is amazing for! Happy flying!

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

Yeah I did try a few firmware versions, different goggles, an just plain refocusing the camera over the past month :( 80 packs a day man....fly a few for me! lol. I will say that the exploring use case would negate a whole lot of the issues that I had. I didn't have any crazy signal drops, even at some pretty decent distances with a micro, and going slow always resulted in better image quality. I imagine most of what is going on is compression smearing and more variable latency than I can adjust for, but there is always hope for those things in software!

@lemonsquareFPV Год назад

@@BaconNinjaFPV you’ll find a use for it, as I have… but still… 4X triple feeds on VRX and cherry II on VTX works very well for me! And is cheap. My charge setup does 40 batteries each batch and when I was flying analog I would do just one batch and be done with it (the flashes on analog prevented me from enjoying it for extended periods), same with DJI and O3, upto an hour I can stand… Avatar is a little better as the flight feel when everything is working, LoL, is actually quite good 👍🏻 and I can do an hour in goggle (50-60 race batteries), I usually fly longer range and exploring so it’s not my usual 55-65 second batteries I burn through quick… but unless it’s an interesting environment I get bored with that system too. HDZero is the only time that I have burned through 3 batches, 120 batteries, and been excited for more, it just feels so different, and 90hz is absolutely beautiful to fly!!! But trying it prior to the goggle I didn’t actually like the system at all. It’s been great now with the goggle! 👍🏻 and I’m really, really enjoying myself! I use it for short range exploring too and its been great 👍🏻

@wattage2007 Год назад

I use it with fixed wing and it's brilliant.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

I think that is an absolutely perfect use case for it! It is just the smearing and bigger latency variance that gets me as it currently is, but some of the beta firmware looks really promising.

@wattage2007 Год назад

@@BaconNinjaFPV Yeah, the initial release was accompanied by a flurry of updates which have disappointingly dried up for the last two months. Word is they’re working on new hardware which if true is a bit annoying for me. I’ve recently bought three of these VTXs and I’m hoping they’re not about to become obsolete and unsupported. But back to your point, yes I couldn’t even imagine flying this system on racing quads, the packet retransmitting hiccups would make this a horribly expensive hobby for me.

@jaechoe Год назад

Thank you for your honest review on the VRX / Avatar system, that it is "Meh". The video file transfer seem to be a PITA, "Molten Lava Hot" 🤣 You make some great points, great review Bacon Ninja!!!

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

you are very welcome!! I always try to be honest....even if it isn't a very popular opinion (at least based on some of these comments, lol)

@jaechoe Год назад

@@BaconNinjaFPV Yeah not everyone likes Bacon, but most of us DO!!! goodvibes. Everyone having an own opinion is a good thing, or else we would all me Minions. keep on keeping on Bacon Ninja!!!!!

@MachuPichuu Год назад

720p 60fps is quite a bit lower latency than 1080p60. The latest beta firmware improved the picture quality and stability quite a bit. My VRX has been working great and I love mine coming from analog. I almost never want to use analog again. The range unlocked is really good. No complaints really. The issues mentioned are pretty mute to me. Most kits are going for 129. Plus the 1s kit is only $90. That's basically cheaper than any other digital system.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

I will have to give the beta firmware a shot for sure because a whole bunch of people seem to agree with you on it being better. For all of this initial testing I was running production firmware since that is what someone picking it up for the first time would likely run, but now that I am moving into doing a full review of it I will absolutely be checking out the betas. Also, I can absolutely say that coming to this from analog would be a world of difference!

@peteyfpv2217 Год назад

I have vrx with skyzone cobra x my only complaint is the dark image

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

I did have to adjust mine a bit to get it where I like it, and mess with my goggle settings to optimize it, but after all of that it wasn't too bad. I will say though, the auto exposure algorithm could use some work and I expect that to get better with time as well. Lots of potential!

@jmcjmc5587 Год назад

There's location that when i fly, i have less resolution than hdzero. Because the image is too blurry.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

I think most of my resolution issues were smearing as well, which hopefully continues to get better with firmware updates. I have heard that some of the beta ones are better, so I am going to for sure try that out and see!

@MCsCreations Год назад

Awesome video and considerations, dude! 😊 There's a guy who has been flying it in 1080p with fantastic results. But he flies fixed wings and doesn't use goggles, he uses a monitor. It's Bonafidepirate Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

Thank you man! I think the 1080p mode on a wing would be awesome. The resolution without being close to the ground where it smears and not having to worry about the latency is basically the perfect use case for it!

@MCsCreations Год назад

@@jaechoe Absolutely. 😊 It's pretty interesting to see how different people evaluate the system!

@jaechoe Год назад

@@MCsCreations My bad, I did not mean to comment on your comment, I was thinking I was replying to Bacon's comment on my comment. YT studio and YT notifications are sort of wachy for me, actually I am probably just wachy 🤣. As for your comment on the fixed wings, sounds right to me. Since when I am cruising at the beach or over water up high the image does not change super fast. like looking out of a plane window during cruising altitude. more competition / options are always a good thing in general. Once again sorry for my fail.

@MCsCreations Год назад

@@jaechoe Hey, don't worry about it! At all! 😊 It's always good to talk and exchange ideas!

@FATSNAIL-FPV Год назад

latest stable firmware really feels like a smeary downgrade. I use the FatsharkadX goggles and last time I flew it was bad. Just built a 4" with the 1s avatar vtx (og version) and anxious to see how it behaves compared to the full size vtx and cam. So far the system is okay, and i'm curious to see how it develops. DJI was't were it is now in the beginning of that system, but i like how caddx actually kinda works with the fpv community. HDzero goggles should arrive somewhere late March lol. Analog goggles sold.

@man0mule Год назад

try the new beta firmware, it's much less smeary. i'm only using the VRX now but i really want to get the 1s vtx for my little 2s 2 inch build

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

I think ok is a fair assessment. It isn't like it is a garbage pile or anything, just not overly impressive in its own right. DJI was the same way at the beginning, they have just had a whole lot more time to get it right and I am hoping that in time Caddx will find their stride with it!

@FATSNAIL-FPV Год назад

@@BaconNinjaFPV pretty much yeah. And now I get to fight back at the DJI interference when I fly together with DJI pilots!

@AtradiesInc 7 месяцев назад

I took it up in the air and came back when it's started making whole frame glitches as in pauses during flight and it was SKETCHY never flew it again

@sullytrny Год назад

If you can afford to fly dji you should buy this also just to add competition to all HD systems.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

I absolutely love the idea that there is at least some competition in that part of the market. It has been a long time coming!

@cinemoriahFPV Год назад

I bought the goggles. They are stunning.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

The goggles do perform better, and with the newer firmware versions they have absolutely put some work into the things that I had issues with in this video. I have been running the system quite a bit lately, and have been pretty happy with how far they have come with it :)

@kandredfpv Год назад

Love your videos but I feel bad about all the Caddx WS bashing. I certainly don't think the VRX on 720p60 is unflyable, and I fly reasonably fast proxy. Chris Rosser has tested it on the Sky04x to be between 38ms and 54ms, and for comparison Oscar Liang has tested a range of analog cameras and some have max latencies as high as 49ms! Video latency isn't everything. What should matter is that we have a range of options at different price points and no one manufacturer has a monopoly. For that reason alone we should support Caddx, and they will get better. People forget that DJI wasn't always that good.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

I really think most of the issues I was having are around the smearing and how variable the latency is. It isn't so much that the latency is what it is, but more that it swings a little more wildly than with the DJI v2 system I suppose. I am for sure not bashing the system, because I do think it has a ton of potential and will absolutely get there if the Caddx devs keep working on it as hard as they have been since launch. I hope people watched till the last part where I explained all of that and how great of an idea the VRX actually is for a system like this :)

@StacemanFPV Год назад

Speaking of cables I hate, the HDZero firmware cable is way too short!

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

lolol...that is no lie man. I would love to see it be 2ft long and in some kind of casing rather than fanned out like it is.

@MrStevegibb Год назад

Is true and could probably be extended relatively easily TBH.

@retro93277 8 месяцев назад

I don’t see how the image compression can be worst that DJI since Walksnail uses a newer image compression than DJI . I think it’s the cameras they are churning out that is not up to par with DJI cameras .

@Quad_Father Год назад

For me image quality….. DJI O3…. WALKSNAIL… DJI v2…. And a far last is hdzero. The view out the walksnail goggles is far better than hd-is-a-zero and slightly better than DJI v2. Hdzero is very much like analog with a fuzzy image and annoying breakup. Yeah latency is great but what good is it if everything is fuzzy and you can’t see shit…. You just can’t see it really fast lol I sold my hd is a zero system and went to the dedicated walksnail goggles … also fried 2 hdzero 1s boards from landing. Been flying my 1s walksnail boards for a few months now no issues

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

I think that opinion is totally valid. Everything is so subjective in FPV, and I am glad your WS experience has been so positive because the system really does have a ton of potential. I will say with my HDZero rigs, I usually have to focus the cameras out of the box or else I get the fuzzies too, lol. In the HDZero goggles, the break up is a much faster flash and becomes much less noticeable...but that does require some suuuper expensive goggles to get it done where this VRX is pretty darn cheap.

@jimmytheriot8978 Год назад

I own all three systems, I fly walksnail mostly now , imo it has the best image, I've been out 5 miles no problem after changing the antennas , as far as my hdzero it's been collecting dust for a while The image quality of me just sucks too bad after flying DJI and walksnail

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

I will say, the range didn't disappoint even on the little 1S board at 350mw! I did swap out my omnis, because as you said that is almost mandatory, but I didn't have many super smears or red box warnings. I will also say that the 1080p is for sure better resolution than HDZero and wins out just a tad over the v2 DJI system. For me though, that mode is a little difficult to use with the flight feel :( Now that for sure isn't everyone, and I am glad your experience with it has been better than mine! I have done a lot of flying on the v2 and O3 systems at 60fps and they just don't feel as variable as it does with WS in 1080p 60fps, but that impacts everyone differently.

@IggyBiggy Год назад

@@BaconNinjaFPV I noticed crazy latency with walksnail. I also fly DJI and HDzero. I love DJI and HDZero, walksnail I could just not get the locked in feeling. I am keeping around the WS system for now, hoping they can update it down the road.

@lightsailfpv Год назад

subbed :)

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

Well thank you!!

@SebastienChedalBornu Год назад

As Chris rosser tested, VRX plus HDMI goggles add wow some latency. But honestly, most people that but walksnail are liked me, they want something better than hdzero but will never buy DJI because of their crappy politics. That's why I got avatar goggles

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

Absolutely, there will always be some latency added for the HDMI buffering and frame draw time in the goggles when they can't be driven by the same chipset like they are in flagship system goggles. I think there are a whole lot of people who agree with you on why you prefer Walksnail, and I will say their firmware has made some really great progress since I did this video. I still get the melt zone blur in some situations now, but nowhere near at the level I did during this testing.

@SebastienChedalBornu Год назад

@@BaconNinjaFPV I have to admit that I had one session where I had blurry image near there center. And when I checked on the vtx recorded I had three same one. Yeah of course caddix is working hard, get its product better firmware after firmware. And I like to see that it create new products and they are compatible all together... Which is a clear message for me: they care about their customers, which is the opposite I would say about dji

@RubyS.1 Год назад

They could have done better with the HDMI cable and the mounting or lack of. I agree with you about the image quality but the guy I donated my walksnail stuff to thinks it's magnificent (his words). After the fpv.wtf hack I'll stick with v1 DJI.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

Thank you for making me feel like I am not crazy! lol. So far all of the comments have pretty much been contrary to my experience with it, and I was beginning to think maybe something is just wrong with my eye balls :p Now like you said, that all depends on the person and some people seem to be plenty happy with the resolution...I just wasn't impressed by it I guess. I do agree, that cable would have been much better had it been something similar to what HDZero ships (maybe a few cm longer) with the 90 degree ends. No way was I going to use the included cable and let it dangle down everywhere, lol.

@imothy Год назад

I think there is a huge difference in the quality of the camera/sensor in the avatar system, versus the DJI system, The compression seems on par to me. I think once we get a new batch of cameras with better sensors people will be more satisfied with the image.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

I really do hope that is the case, because the system just has so much potential!

@kandredfpv Год назад

This is true, WS video has a lot of sensor noise, which I suspect is due to them using a high ISO to compensate for the CMOS sensor struggling to get enough light for the short shutter time required to do the high 120fps.

@imothy Год назад

@@kandredfpv I am hoping they release a low light camera, like the foxeer toothless 2 starlight camera.

@chickwithstick7695 10 месяцев назад

When you watch this at 2x speed it sounds normal

@MrBumbles2 Год назад

well from experience in being bummed out i will always wait a year before i buy new tech. because as you know some things will still be around and some things not. or lost is space with no feedback like orca. and procrastinating you will buy something somewhat proven. or most of the bugs fixed. then the next bigger better comes out a month later and your back to being bummed because you shot your wad on some real goggles and now your broke or can't just justify taking the risk and chance that the new thing is just so much better. the stuff isn't analog cheap so its best to sit back and hear the truth instead of hype, then start that cycle all over again because it's tech is rapidly advancing in many areas

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

I think that is a pretty darn good policy! I will say at least with the VRX you aren't out too much if you really don't like it. Still holding out hope for the future of this one though because it really does have potential and I always like anything that uses goggles people may already have in their bags!

@philthayer4087 Год назад

Love Walksnail vrx! Resolution is better than hdzero, very close to dji v1. Not sure why the cable bugs you…connect it and download your video in a couple minutes. Dji o3 vtx going for $240 no thx. I fly dji hdzero and Walksnail and analog. WS / Caddex is an FPV company where as dji is not.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

It may be the smearing that is getting me in 720p more so than the actual effective resolution, but I do agree that in 1080p mode the resolution is much better than HDZero. Unfortunately for me though, that 1080p 60fps mode just doesn't jive with my eye balls which I didn't expect since I can fly my DJI gear in 60fps without having the same flight feel problems. I imagine it is more of a latency variability issue more so than the base latency of the system at that frame rate, but there is always hope that as the compression gets better that will too! As far as the cable goes, it is mostly the falling out bit and having to have a pack plugged into the quad while I do it. If it powered the VTX from the 5v (especially since the 1S VTX is rated for that 5v at a more than acceptable draw for a standard USB port) I think I could have a little easier time with the falling out bit since I wouldn't need to touch the quad so much before the transfer starts. I totally agree with you on Caddx being a bigger part of the FPV community than DJI, that is hands down the truth.

@TimsDrones Год назад

My avatar goggles with avatar vTx are better than my DJI orig vTx in DJI orig goggles. My 03 in Goggles 2 is something else. But Avatar does beat out the original DJI.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

Oh for sure, I absolutely agree on the original goggles WS does beat them out for quality. I think most of the issues I have had flying it are around the smearing and how much the latency varies, but those things will get better with time and software development hopefully :)

@The2xWhiskey Год назад

I like your content man, but FPS (refresh rate) and latency are two largely different things. Your MOJO will upgrade when you learn those differences.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

So for these systems, the latency is a combination of things for sure. Some of the latency comes from data transmission and processing between the camera and VTX, but that is negligible since it is in the nanosecond range. After that you have the compression latency, which is slightly variable but is very much tied to the frames per second being processed for transmission. The actually transmission step is suuuuper fast since it is literally at the speed of light on a RF carrier. Once your goggles get them, their is frame reconstruction time which is again slightly variable but mostly tied the the number of frames per second being processed. After that it is about the data transfer to the panel drivers and the actual display, which in this case will be one frame behind due to the frame buffering required by conforming to the HDMI standard and then whatever nanosecond latency the drivers have to process that data. The actual panels are fairly fixed latency since they work based on a refresh rate, so that doesn't change much at all. Really the bulk of latency in these systems comes from compression and the rate at which frames can be processed along with whatever variation there is for retransmission requests due to corrupt or incomplete data. All that is to say, the frame rate is the driving factor behind the base latency of the system and the variability of that is impacted by compression efficiency and how well the system handles bad data.

@The2xWhiskey Год назад

@@BaconNinjaFPV Lol, guess I challenged your mojo. My point was you could view the same feed on two different goggle setups at the same FPS, say 60, but because they aren't the same hardwarewise, one will show the same frame at a different moment in time than the other. Because they have two different latency times.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

@@The2xWhiskey lol, no its all good, I was just explaining why I use them pretty interchangeably within the same system. Across different hardware, you are absolutely correct in that they will have different latency measures given all the compression stuff and retransmits are slightly different. Its like how HDZero really only does 60fps out of their VRX as well, but the latency is much less than DJI or WS at 60fps due to that total lack of compression. I was just explaining because I like to over explain things :)

@The2xWhiskey Год назад

I'm under the impression that this VRX is a mix of a Hail Mary and a first sample from a drug dealer. Caddy has said they will not continue to produce this VRX. Their goal is to give you a taste and hopefully convince\addict you to commit to the Walksnail ecosystem. But hey, I'm a pessimist, and that $200 sure feels warm in my pocket.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

we shall see what happens with it! I could see it going both ways...one where the VRX just gets people in and they are tied to making a bigger purchase down the road, and the other where this thing kind of kills the Avatar goggle market and becomes the main point of entry. Either way, that pocket money is keeping you warm!

@joemck1235 Год назад

They didn't say they weren't making making them anymore there are tons of them still being made

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

@@joemck1235 that is what I thought I remembered reading from their official posts as well. I thought maybe I had missed something somewhere...since that does tend to happen to me, lol.

@joemck1235 Год назад

@@BaconNinjaFPV as many people that bought them i would be surprised they would stop making them but its possible i guess i mean for me only being able to use box goggles i cant see out of my left eye motorcycle accident when i was young and really for me box goggles are my only option so the hd zero vrx and walksnail were amazing for me having the ability to fly hd and im just blown away at walksnail and how well it works with my goggles and i get really good range with the stock patches and vas omnis

@The2xWhiskey Год назад

@@joemck1235 I may have been mixing up their announcement to stop some camera being made for DJI or something. I thought I picked it up during a Bardwell FPV News stream. My bad.

@HoRNET_FPV Год назад

Apples and oranges

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

apples and oranges indeed when it comes to comparing it to HDZero for anything outside of image quality since they are both 720p systems. transmission method, latency, and compression comparisons are totally off the table for sure since they just live in two different worlds. Comparing it to DJI v2 though is pretty valid since they are based around chipsets with nearly identical capabilities and transmission methods.

@bitterrootfpv2207 Год назад

Usb extension cable

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

not a bad idea! I will dig one up and see if that doesn't help the cable situation.

@bitterrootfpv2207 Год назад

@@BaconNinjaFPV it's better that way for sure.

@erikflies Год назад

🤣🤣🤣👍

@xORLOCKx Год назад

I wanted it to be good so bad. I wanted to switch to their goggles and sell my DJI. So I could have whoops and everything on ONE GOGGLE.. but it's just not there. Oh well maybe one day.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

yeah....im gonna hold out hope for the software development and keep up with it as progresses to see how the feel changes. I was excited for much more than meh, but down the road who knows what it will look like.

@JonE5FPV Год назад

So glad i didnt get sucked into the hype and waste time and money on this great value HD System. Surprised they even released it at all or didnt pull it from the shelf when O3 hits. Good night sweet caddx.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

If I didn't want to have it just to be able to fly all the Walksnail things that I am sure are coming this year, I think I would have waited until fall to check it out. There are for sure some software things that need ironing out, and I would absolutely like to see VTX prices be competitive with the Link to make it a real viable option. Where it comes down to it for me is in the small quads where you can't just throw a Link on it and go to town, lol. Even then though, I feel like I would be better off with HDZero at roughly the same cost.

@Quad_Father Год назад

If you want the best of any of these systems you need to pony up and get the dedicated goggles unfortunately. With the walksnail goggles only DJI o3 tops image quality for me.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

@@Quad_Father I could see the OLEDs making a difference in the WS goggles for sure. I will say though, the HDZero goggles have some pretty terrific OLEDs in them as well and have the same feature set combined with the VRX (other than the one frame delay for HDMI) and most of my experience with the system was on those. Before it is over though, I will get my hands on a set of dedicated ones and see what kind of difference that makes!

@slowentropy4531 Год назад

You'll be glad every time you don't get sucked into the hype.

@doitchannel67 Год назад

Hello

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

Hi there!

@crash_and_burn_fpv8870 Год назад

Yeah............ You'll never gonna call............🤣

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

Hey, you never know! :p

@SiNFPVGUAM Год назад

I have the goggles. And I'm at "Meh" as well... your description matches the avatar goggles. However the DVR recording has jitters and smears like a poor connection. Right now. I give 5/10. I wouldn't recommend the goggles yet.

@EnglishTurbines Год назад

Great VRX....but your Goggles just ain't good enough....Catch yourself on , and stop being silly....🤔😏😏🇬🇧

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

I really do like that they put out a VRX for the system as an entry point for people who had existing goggles they could use with it. I did try several goggles with mine, so the thoughts here were really as designed for the intended VRX use and as for the system as a whole I also tried the system specific goggles just to see what was up. I will say though, they have come a long way with their firmware since I did this initial system testing and I am much happier with it than I was. Looking forward to doing a more in depth thing on it in the next couple of months after I have spent the better part of a year flying it :)

@EnglishTurbines Год назад

@@BaconNinjaFPV Agreed, I have the Walksnail Goggles and the VRX. The key component of the Goggles is of course the OLED Screens. The DJI V2 has crummy LCDs of course. Then there's Walksnail range around 32 Kms with top draw antennas....😏😀🇬🇧 The VRX works best with the HD Zero goggles.... again, OLED Screens...

@ChristopherF_1971 Год назад

Sad human

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

sometimes I am, it is true

@billh308 Год назад

You talk too much

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

I do sometimes.

@Chimavideo Год назад

What you want at this system.

@BaconNinjaFPV Год назад

I am not sure I understand the question, but maybe you are asking about what I want from the system? Honestly, it has a ton of potential and adding the ability to use a VRX for it is a great idea! I am just looking forward to when the developers get the compression algorithm worked out. At that point the smearing and latency variance should be much better and it will be at its full potential.